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NJFINSFAN1
11-28-2006, 11:29 PM
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyid=2006-11-29T024301Z_01_B391454_RTRUKOC_0_US-BASEBALL-YANKEES-IGAWA.xml&src=rss


Don't know if its a good thing or not for them. 25 Million????

Ray Finkle
11-28-2006, 11:32 PM
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=sportsNews&storyid=2006-11-29T024301Z_01_B391454_RTRUKOC_0_US-BASEBALL-YANKEES-IGAWA.xml&src=rss


Don't know if its a good thing or not for them. 25 Million????

Mets once again came in 2nd posting 19 million.

The reports from the experts have been lukewarm at best (saying #3 starter at best but most likely a 4th or 5th starter). But since the Yankees have the money why not try him out?

NJFINSFAN1
11-28-2006, 11:34 PM
I will be curious to see how these Japanese players do this year.

Ray Finkle
11-28-2006, 11:38 PM
I will be curious to see how these Japanese players do this year.

Yeah me too. I mean all the scouts can say what they want about these players. Playing the game on the field is a whole other ballgame (no pun intended).

brandon1986
11-29-2006, 12:49 AM
Mets once again came in 2nd posting 19 million.

The reports from the experts have been lukewarm at best (saying #3 starter at best but most likely a 4th or 5th starter). But since the Yankees have the money why not try him out?

true the yankees tied the league with the best record with karstens/rasner/lidle/wright all sharing parts in the rotation

one scout compared igawa to jarrod washburn of the mariners

if he can be like jaret wright with 200+ innings then it will be a good deal

who knows with these japanese pitchers, matsuzaka and igawa have the same credentials and their numbers are similar, we will see how they do

nyjunc
11-29-2006, 09:12 AM
Mets once again came in 2nd posting 19 million.

The reports from the experts have been lukewarm at best (saying #3 starter at best but most likely a 4th or 5th starter). But since the Yankees have the money why not try him out?

My guess is the yanks didn't want to spend so much on a Lilly or Meche and felt this Japanese guy is on their level. $25 mil is alot but it doesn't go to the payroll luxury tax so in essence they'll get him cheaper then they would have w/ the other mediocre pitchers even though overall it will cost them more.

finfansince72
11-30-2006, 11:35 AM
Can these Japanese pitchers just not take the offers and go back to Japan with the cash? Seems like a awfully stupid risk to take if this is the case.

MikeO
11-30-2006, 11:45 AM
Can these Japanese pitchers just not take the offers and go back to Japan with the cash? Seems like a awfully stupid risk to take if this is the case.

what cash?:confused: :confused:

FinsNYanksFan13
11-30-2006, 12:17 PM
I don't think this kid is anything special on paper but at the end of the day it's tough to kill the Yankees when the Mets bid 19 mill for the kid too. He's obviously going to contribute something but I like many others would rather go with a proven MLB commodity like Zito or Schmidt then this kid or Matzusaka and I stand by that!

finfansince72
11-30-2006, 03:27 PM
what cash?:confused: :confused:

The 25mil??

BigDogsHunt
11-30-2006, 03:54 PM
The 25mil??

The Japanese team gets the cash, not the player, and only if the player reaches agreement with the MLB team on a contract.

Quelonio
11-30-2006, 05:43 PM
The Japanese team gets the cash, not the player, and only if the player reaches agreement with the MLB team on a contract.

So it works exactly like soccer contracts... modern day slave selling. Is like the team owns the player, and so it has to sell it... dont like that system too much.

BigDogsHunt
11-30-2006, 07:00 PM
So it works exactly like soccer contracts... modern day slave selling. Is like the team owns the player, and so it has to sell it... dont like that system too much.

Not every Japenese player is treated like this, or atleast MLB teams dont normally line up to bid just for the right to negotiate a potential contract. Not sure why the hype over this guy with Yanks or the Matsusaka guy with Red Sox.

I did see Red Sox signed another lefty pitcher today and no bidding was involved prior to that one. Atleast I believe he was in Japan leaque last year, etc.

Did this happen with Ichiro? H. Matsui?, etc? I dont recall myself.

Ray Finkle
11-30-2006, 07:04 PM
Not every Japenese player is treated like this, or atleast MLB teams dont normally line up to bid just for the right to negotiate a potential contract. Not sure why the hype over this guy with Yanks or the Matsusaka guy with Red Sox.

I did see Red Sox signed another lefty pitcher today and no bidding was involved prior to that one. Atleast I believe he was in Japan leaque last year, etc.

Did this happen with Ichiro? H. Matsui?, etc? I dont recall myself.

The difference between guys like Igawa, Ichiro and Matzusaka is that there still have contracts with their team which is why there's a bidding. There was a bid for Ichiro which was 13 million I believe.

Guys like both Matsuis and the lefty RP the Sox signed today were free agents and thus could talk to any team they wanted.

GreenMonster
11-30-2006, 08:41 PM
I guess because of the luxury tax this guy will be cheaper to sign than another quality 3-4 starter.. How big of a contract does this guy look to get. If he gets 3 years and 15 million would you rather have him or Jason S. for 3 years 45 million plus luxury tax.. I don't see him pitching in NY to be that big of a deal, Randy Johnson could do it if he had anything left..

nyjunc
12-01-2006, 08:54 AM
I saw an blurb yesterday where Matsui said Igawa was really good and Matsui's career #s against igawa were pretty bad. Maybe h's not as bad as people seem to think?

BigDogsHunt
12-01-2006, 11:00 AM
The difference between guys like Igawa, Ichiro and Matzusaka is that there still have contracts with their team which is why there's a bidding. There was a bid for Ichiro which was 13 million I believe.

Guys like both Matsuis and the lefty RP the Sox signed today were free agents and thus could talk to any team they wanted.

Ahhhh...thanks, didnt realize that.

Hey, have you heard the rumors that if Matsusaka doesnt sign with Red Sox his Japan team will be ticked and ship him to their minors since its an insult while under contract to request to play in MLB?????

Heard it on MLB.TV and they said especially since his Japan Club is hurting financially they want the $51M more than they want him back.

If true, this could explain why Boston is nowhere near his demands and trying to force him to a lower contract since he feels he has no options.

BigDogsHunt
12-01-2006, 11:02 AM
I saw an blurb yesterday where Matsui said Igawa was really good and Matsui's career #s against igawa were pretty bad. Maybe h's not as bad as people seem to think?

Yeah, saw that.....Igawa led the Japan league in K's several times. He must have something working for him, and only 27 so as a projected 3rd, 4th, or 5th starter he could hold his own I suspect.

MikeO
12-01-2006, 11:43 AM
Yeah, saw that.....Igawa led the Japan league in K's several times. He must have something working for him, and only 27 so as a projected 3rd, 4th, or 5th starter he could hold his own I suspect.

he's a strikeout pitcher who can give ya 200 innings.

That is what NY wanted. A durable strikeout pitcher who is healthy. (honestly, they are hoping he is what they wanted Jaret Wright to be but never was)

MikeO
12-01-2006, 11:45 AM
Heard it on MLB.TV and they said especially since his Japan Club is hurting financially they want the $51M more than they want him back.

If true, this could explain why Boston is nowhere near his demands and trying to force him to a lower contract since he feels he has no options.

Another hold up is this Matsuzki's wife is a model/tv personality and she wanted to go to LA or NY for HER career as well. And she isn't too high on going to Boston. So, this kid's wife could have him not take any of a lesser offer to go to Boston. Wait a year and go through this again to get what she wants.

Power of the ****-tang!!

phunwin
12-01-2006, 07:25 PM
Ahhhh...thanks, didnt realize that.

Hey, have you heard the rumors that if Matsusaka doesnt sign with Red Sox his Japan team will be ticked and ship him to their minors since its an insult while under contract to request to play in MLB?????

Heard it on MLB.TV and they said especially since his Japan Club is hurting financially they want the $51M more than they want him back.

If true, this could explain why Boston is nowhere near his demands and trying to force him to a lower contract since he feels he has no options.

Well, a larger part of it is that Japanese clubs don't want a rep for not being able to deliver the player after they post for a transfer (not that the Seibu Lions have much to do with the contract talks between the Red Sox and Matsuzaka).

Honestly, all talk about Matsuzaka's wife and Scott Boras and everyone else who's being a problem aside, this will get done. I guarantee it. There's way too much to lose by it falling through, and absolutely nothing for anyone to gain.