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Tailgun
12-11-2006, 02:59 PM
I'm looking to compile analysis of all the promising talent in this year's draft at the most important position, as I feel the long term answer for the Dolphins is still not on the roster. Feel free to vote your most ideal and submit any draft breakdowns published so far.

I'm interested in:

Jordan Palmer QB 6'5 235 UTEP

By: Robert Davis

The younger brother of Bengal Carson Palmer was not as highly touted as his brother, but that was because he did not play much football in high school. He landed at UTEP known only as Carson’s brother, but has made a name for himself for the Miners.

A part time starter as a redshirt freshman, Palmer threw for 1,168 yards and seven touchdowns, but completed less than 50% of his passes, and was picked off 13 times. He really progressed as a sophomore, throwing for 2,818 yards, while completing 58% of his passes for 26 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. Palmer continued to improve as a junior, completing 59% of his passes for 3,503 yards and 29 touchdowns, along with 19 interceptions.

Palmer is the prototypical pocket passer. He is big, with a strong arm, and a gunslinger’s mentality. He has the arm to make all the throws, and shows the athleticism to maneuver around the rush in the pocket and throw on the run. He has shown improvement every year since leaving high school, and has a lot of upside. He obviously has the bloodlines, with his brother being one of the best QB’s in the NFL.

While the gunslinger attitude is a positive, it is also a negative for Palmer. He tries to throw the ball through the defense too often, relying on his arm to make plays. He needs to learn to take what the defense gives him more often, and not force the ball so much.

A lot has been made of him being Carson’s brother, but Jordan will have to make it on his own. He has the talent to develop, but he’s a project right now that will need work at the next level. He is a player that will probably be taken in the middle rounds with the idea of developing him over a couple seasons to see what he can become.

Tyler Palko QB 6'2 220 Pitt
By: Robert Davis

Palko played as a reserve during his true freshman season, but redshirted as a sophomore as Rod Rutherford let the Pitt offensive attack. In his first year as a starter in 2004, Palko responded with All Big East 2nd Team honors after finishing the year with 3,067 yards with a 56.2% completion rate, and 24 touchdowns to just seven interceptions. As a junior he took a step back in Dave Wannstedt’s first year as coach. He again earned Big East 2nd Team honors, but he dipped to just 2,392 yards with 17 TD’s to nine picks, while completing 56.6% of his passes.

Palko is a player that could really develop at the next level. He is an efficient signal caller that has been very successful for Pitt. He shows the toughness to stand in the pocket and take a hit while delivering secondary when he is given time in the pocket. He is also a better athlete than most give him credit for. He can move in and out of the pocket, and can make some plays with his feet.

Palko lacks the prototypical height and arm strength for the QB spot. His arm is not poor, but he doesn’t have a cannon. His height may cause him some problems seeing the entire field behind his line while in the pocket. Palko has also had the tendency to try and force some big plays and it leads to questionable decisions at times.

Tyler Palko has the toughness and leadership skills you want in your quarterback. He combines that with solid ability as a passer and enough ability as a runner to be a threat when things break down. He doesn’t have the talent package to be a high pick, but he is a player that may out perform his draft position in a few years.

Kevin Kolb QB 6'3 225 Houston
By: Robert Davis

Kevin Kolb burst on to the scene as a freshman, earning freshman AA honors after throwing for 3,131 yards while completing just over 61% of his passes for 25 touchdowns and six picks. As a sophomore the numbers dipped to just 2,766 yards at a 56.1 percentage rate, with only 11 touchdowns and six interceptions. Kolb made a bit of a comeback as a junior, throwing for 3,258 yards while completing over 60% of his passes, and finished with 19 touchdowns to 15 interceptions.

Kolb has all the skills to develop into a quality NFL quarterback. He has decent size, and combines it with a good arm and solid athleticism. He has the toughness to sit in the pocket and deliver a strike, but also shows the mobility to leave the pocket and make things happen on the move. He can elude the rush and throw on the run, but can also tuck the ball and pick up yardage with his feet. Kolb has also started since his freshman year, so he has a ton of experience.

Kolb is a work in progress. He has had consistency issues throughout his career. He has had the tendency to force balls in the past, and tends to rely on his talent too much. A big issue will be adjusting to an NFL playbook. Kolb is going to need more work lining up under center and operating out of a pro attack.

The talent and toughness is not the issue with Kolb. If a team can be patient and give him time to continue to develop his skills, Kolb could become a quality NFL quarterback.

Trent Edwards QB 6'4 220 Stanford
By: Robert Davis

Trent Edwards landed at Stanford and big time expectations came along with him. He was one of the elite QB recruits in the country and decided to try and help the Cardinal improve their football program. While he has gotten better every year, that just has not happened. He became a starter as a sophomore, and threw for 1,718 yards while completing just over 54% of his passes with nine TD’s and 11 picks on the year. As a junior he started to put things together, throwing for 1,924 yards, while completing almost 63% of his passes for 17 touchdowns and just seven interceptions.

Edwards is a talented pocket passer. He has good size, and shows the ability to stand in the pocket and move the football. He has the toughness to sit in the pocket and take a hit, and the accuracy to deliver a strike all over the field. He is an intelligent passer that has become very efficient with more experience. He also shows the athleticism to avoid the rush in the pocket and make throws on the run. Edwards has gotten better every year in college and has a lot of upside that has not been reached yet.

Edwards just does not know what winning feels like. Stanford has been terrible, and he has not had the chance to routinely know what its like to taste victory. He takes a beating on a regular basis, and gets back up. He has done a lot with a little, but if he has what it takes to win is in question.

Trent Edwards is an intriguing prospect. He has flown under the radar because Stanford has been so bad, but he has the skills and the toughness to project to the next level. He constantly takes a beating for the Cardinal, but that endears him to scouts. Then things get tough in the NFL, he will know how to handle it. He is a player that has a lot of developmental ability, and if he tests out well, could go higher than most think in April.

Brady Quinn QB 6'4 231 Notre Dame
By: Robert Davis

Quinn became a starter during his true freshman season, and showed flashes of brilliance despite being held back by Tyrone Willingham’s offense. As a freshman, he threw for 1,831 yards, but had a completion percentage just over 47% and had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 9/15. He took that experience and improved as a sophomore, completing 54.1% of his passes, while throwing for 2,586 yards, and 17 touchdowns to 10 interceptions. Once Charlie Weis took over, Quinn’s brilliance emerged on a more consistent basis. He threw for a school record 3,633 yards and 32 touchdowns, while completing 64.9% of his passes with just seven interceptions.

Brady Quinn is the prototypical pocket passer. He has great size, along with the strength and willingness to sit in the pocket and deliver a strike. He has very good arm strength, and can make all the throws on the field. His accuracy has continued to improve every year, and he is on target on everything under 20 yards. Quinn is also a good athlete for a pocket passer, and he knows how to elude the rush and get the throw off. He has no problems producing under pressure, and his touchdown in the final two minutes of the USC game had Notre Dame in position to win, but the star studded USC offense stole the victory away.

Picking something to criticize Quinn for is tough. He was very inconsistent his first two years, but once he was under the tutelage of Weis, he put it all together. He can try to force the ball into coverage still, and his mechanics break down at times, but those are things that could easily be corrected with another year under Weis.

Quinn has to be the favorite to be the first pick in the draft in April, with his talent at the quarterback position. Adrian Peterson is the only player on Quinn’s level, but many will give Brady the advantage because he is a quarterback.


My Favorite So Far


Brian Brohm (Junior) QB 6’4” 225 Louisville

Positives: Brohm has a very similar body type to Brady Quinn. He's tall and stands with poise. He moves well around the pocket and his patience allows plays to fully develop. He has speed and can be a threat on the ground if necessary, but also like Quinn, prefers to work with his arm rather than his feet.

His arm is as good as they come (just ask the MLB team that drafted him). He throws a great deep ball but more importantly, the majority of his passes have touch, making it easy for his receivers to turn around and pick up some yardage after the catch.

Often forgotten is that Brohm has been under the microscope since high school. In 2002 he was featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated as one the nations top young quarterbacks. Thus far he is unphased by the spotlight. He doesn't make the mind-bending mistakes that most young QBs tend to when under pressure.

In both games Brohm has played against rival West Virginia, he’s looked calm and collected and put up big numbers (this year without Michael Bush). Brohm is one of the best quarterbacks in the nation when it comes to managing the game. His calm and confident nature is the keystone to success as a QB in the NFL.

Negatives: There are only two major problems on Brohm’s resume; injuries and touchdowns. Durability is a major question. Anyone looking at Brohm has to be concerned. In 2005 he tore his ACL. Despite the tear, he went through a Carson Palmer-like rehabilitation and was able to start the season opener for his Louisville Cardinals.

Just a few games in to 2006, Brohm broke his hand. The broken hand required surgery and he was forced to sit for a month. The lack of touchdown throws is disconcerting. Louisville scores a lot of points, but when it comes down to the goal line, they like to run it in.

Brohm isn't the big play machine we’ve seen in Brady Quinn or Troy Smith. In 2006 (thus far) Brohm has only thrown 12 touchdowns despite four interceptions. Quinn has double the touchdowns and (while debatable) played better teams.

Overview: It's likely that with so few first-round worthy QBs in this year's draft, Brohm will elect to come out. However, he could follow the decision Matt Leinart made just two years ago. Coming back for one more year would make Louisville an instant national title contender. However, if he does indeed come out he's in the same category as Quinn.

If healthy Brohm is one of the best play callers in the nation. He has a Tom Brady swagger with a Carson Palmer-like arm. He's big and strong and makes sound decisions for his team. However, he has a downside that the other top quarterback's don't and that's durability. He appears to be relatively fragile and that could scare teams away from taking him in the top five as he’d be projected were he to forgo his senior year at Louisville.

MiaDolphins826
12-11-2006, 03:04 PM
i dont think quarterback is the issue we will address first in the draft, especially with all the money locked up in culpepper, and the draft picks we gave up for him and joey. look towards wr (calvin johnson) or safety/db

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 03:10 PM
Joey is cheap under the cap and I believe Culpepper will be gone by training camp next year. The draft pick spent on him was wasted. I believe it's time to look for a legitimate prospect of our own.

prolific
12-11-2006, 03:11 PM
I'm looking to compile analysis of all the promising talent in this year's draft at the most important position, as I feel the long term answer for the Dolphins is still not on the roster. Feel free to vote your most ideal and submit any draft breakdowns published so far.

I'm interested in:

Jordan Palmer QB 6'5 235 UTEP

By: Robert Davis

The younger brother of Bengal Carson Palmer was not as highly touted as his brother, but that was because he did not play much football in high school. He landed at UTEP known only as Carson’s brother, but has made a name for himself for the Miners.

A part time starter as a redshirt freshman, Palmer threw for 1,168 yards and seven touchdowns, but completed less than 50% of his passes, and was picked off 13 times. He really progressed as a sophomore, throwing for 2,818 yards, while completing 58% of his passes for 26 touchdowns and 18 interceptions. Palmer continued to improve as a junior, completing 59% of his passes for 3,503 yards and 29 touchdowns, along with 19 interceptions.

Palmer is the prototypical pocket passer. He is big, with a strong arm, and a gunslinger’s mentality. He has the arm to make all the throws, and shows the athleticism to maneuver around the rush in the pocket and throw on the run. He has shown improvement every year since leaving high school, and has a lot of upside. He obviously has the bloodlines, with his brother being one of the best QB’s in the NFL.

While the gunslinger attitude is a positive, it is also a negative for Palmer. He tries to throw the ball through the defense too often, relying on his arm to make plays. He needs to learn to take what the defense gives him more often, and not force the ball so much.

A lot has been made of him being Carson’s brother, but Jordan will have to make it on his own. He has the talent to develop, but he’s a project right now that will need work at the next level. He is a player that will probably be taken in the middle rounds with the idea of developing him over a couple seasons to see what he can become.

Tyler Palko QB 6'2 220 Pitt
By: Robert Davis

Palko played as a reserve during his true freshman season, but redshirted as a sophomore as Rod Rutherford let the Pitt offensive attack. In his first year as a starter in 2004, Palko responded with All Big East 2nd Team honors after finishing the year with 3,067 yards with a 56.2% completion rate, and 24 touchdowns to just seven interceptions. As a junior he took a step back in Dave Wannstedt’s first year as coach. He again earned Big East 2nd Team honors, but he dipped to just 2,392 yards with 17 TD’s to nine picks, while completing 56.6% of his passes.

Palko is a player that could really develop at the next level. He is an efficient signal caller that has been very successful for Pitt. He shows the toughness to stand in the pocket and take a hit while delivering secondary when he is given time in the pocket. He is also a better athlete than most give him credit for. He can move in and out of the pocket, and can make some plays with his feet.

Palko lacks the prototypical height and arm strength for the QB spot. His arm is not poor, but he doesn’t have a cannon. His height may cause him some problems seeing the entire field behind his line while in the pocket. Palko has also had the tendency to try and force some big plays and it leads to questionable decisions at times.

Tyler Palko has the toughness and leadership skills you want in your quarterback. He combines that with solid ability as a passer and enough ability as a runner to be a threat when things break down. He doesn’t have the talent package to be a high pick, but he is a player that may out perform his draft position in a few years.

Kevin Kolb QB 6'3 225 Houston
By: Robert Davis

Kevin Kolb burst on to the scene as a freshman, earning freshman AA honors after throwing for 3,131 yards while completing just over 61% of his passes for 25 touchdowns and six picks. As a sophomore the numbers dipped to just 2,766 yards at a 56.1 percentage rate, with only 11 touchdowns and six interceptions. Kolb made a bit of a comeback as a junior, throwing for 3,258 yards while completing over 60% of his passes, and finished with 19 touchdowns to 15 interceptions.

Kolb has all the skills to develop into a quality NFL quarterback. He has decent size, and combines it with a good arm and solid athleticism. He has the toughness to sit in the pocket and deliver a strike, but also shows the mobility to leave the pocket and make things happen on the move. He can elude the rush and throw on the run, but can also tuck the ball and pick up yardage with his feet. Kolb has also started since his freshman year, so he has a ton of experience.

Kolb is a work in progress. He has had consistency issues throughout his career. He has had the tendency to force balls in the past, and tends to rely on his talent too much. A big issue will be adjusting to an NFL playbook. Kolb is going to need more work lining up under center and operating out of a pro attack.

The talent and toughness is not the issue with Kolb. If a team can be patient and give him time to continue to develop his skills, Kolb could become a quality NFL quarterback.

Trent Edwards QB 6'4 220 Stanford
By: Robert Davis

Trent Edwards landed at Stanford and big time expectations came along with him. He was one of the elite QB recruits in the country and decided to try and help the Cardinal improve their football program. While he has gotten better every year, that just has not happened. He became a starter as a sophomore, and threw for 1,718 yards while completing just over 54% of his passes with nine TD’s and 11 picks on the year. As a junior he started to put things together, throwing for 1,924 yards, while completing almost 63% of his passes for 17 touchdowns and just seven interceptions.

Edwards is a talented pocket passer. He has good size, and shows the ability to stand in the pocket and move the football. He has the toughness to sit in the pocket and take a hit, and the accuracy to deliver a strike all over the field. He is an intelligent passer that has become very efficient with more experience. He also shows the athleticism to avoid the rush in the pocket and make throws on the run. Edwards has gotten better every year in college and has a lot of upside that has not been reached yet.

Edwards just does not know what winning feels like. Stanford has been terrible, and he has not had the chance to routinely know what its like to taste victory. He takes a beating on a regular basis, and gets back up. He has done a lot with a little, but if he has what it takes to win is in question.

Trent Edwards is an intriguing prospect. He has flown under the radar because Stanford has been so bad, but he has the skills and the toughness to project to the next level. He constantly takes a beating for the Cardinal, but that endears him to scouts. Then things get tough in the NFL, he will know how to handle it. He is a player that has a lot of developmental ability, and if he tests out well, could go higher than most think in April.

Brady Quinn QB 6'4 231 Notre Dame
By: Robert Davis

Quinn became a starter during his true freshman season, and showed flashes of brilliance despite being held back by Tyrone Willingham’s offense. As a freshman, he threw for 1,831 yards, but had a completion percentage just over 47% and had a terrible TD/INT ratio of 9/15. He took that experience and improved as a sophomore, completing 54.1% of his passes, while throwing for 2,586 yards, and 17 touchdowns to 10 interceptions. Once Charlie Weis took over, Quinn’s brilliance emerged on a more consistent basis. He threw for a school record 3,633 yards and 32 touchdowns, while completing 64.9% of his passes with just seven interceptions.

Brady Quinn is the prototypical pocket passer. He has great size, along with the strength and willingness to sit in the pocket and deliver a strike. He has very good arm strength, and can make all the throws on the field. His accuracy has continued to improve every year, and he is on target on everything under 20 yards. Quinn is also a good athlete for a pocket passer, and he knows how to elude the rush and get the throw off. He has no problems producing under pressure, and his touchdown in the final two minutes of the USC game had Notre Dame in position to win, but the star studded USC offense stole the victory away.

Picking something to criticize Quinn for is tough. He was very inconsistent his first two years, but once he was under the tutelage of Weis, he put it all together. He can try to force the ball into coverage still, and his mechanics break down at times, but those are things that could easily be corrected with another year under Weis.

Quinn has to be the favorite to be the first pick in the draft in April, with his talent at the quarterback position. Adrian Peterson is the only player on Quinn’s level, but many will give Brady the advantage because he is a quarterback.



My Favorite So Far




Brian Brohm (Junior) QB 6’4” 225 Louisville

Positives: Brohm has a very similar body type to Brady Quinn. He's tall and stands with poise. He moves well around the pocket and his patience allows plays to fully develop. He has speed and can be a threat on the ground if necessary, but also like Quinn, prefers to work with his arm rather than his feet.

His arm is as good as they come (just ask the MLB team that drafted him). He throws a great deep ball but more importantly, the majority of his passes have touch, making it easy for his receivers to turn around and pick up some yardage after the catch.

Often forgotten is that Brohm has been under the microscope since high school. In 2002 he was featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated as one the nations top young quarterbacks. Thus far he is unphased by the spotlight. He doesn't make the mind-bending mistakes that most young QBs tend to when under pressure.

In both games Brohm has played against rival West Virginia, he’s looked calm and collected and put up big numbers (this year without Michael Bush). Brohm is one of the best quarterbacks in the nation when it comes to managing the game. His calm and confident nature is the keystone to success as a QB in the NFL.

Negatives: There are only two major problems on Brohm’s resume; injuries and touchdowns. Durability is a major question. Anyone looking at Brohm has to be concerned. In 2005 he tore his ACL. Despite the tear, he went through a Carson Palmer-like rehabilitation and was able to start the season opener for his Louisville Cardinals.

Just a few games in to 2006, Brohm broke his hand. The broken hand required surgery and he was forced to sit for a month. The lack of touchdown throws is disconcerting. Louisville scores a lot of points, but when it comes down to the goal line, they like to run it in.

Brohm isn't the big play machine we’ve seen in Brady Quinn or Troy Smith. In 2006 (thus far) Brohm has only thrown 12 touchdowns despite four interceptions. Quinn has double the touchdowns and (while debatable) played better teams.

Overview: It's likely that with so few first-round worthy QBs in this year's draft, Brohm will elect to come out. However, he could follow the decision Matt Leinart made just two years ago. Coming back for one more year would make Louisville an instant national title contender. However, if he does indeed come out he's in the same category as Quinn.

If healthy Brohm is one of the best play callers in the nation. He has a Tom Brady swagger with a Carson Palmer-like arm. He's big and strong and makes sound decisions for his team. However, he has a downside that the other top quarterback's don't and that's durability. He appears to be relatively fragile and that could scare teams away from taking him in the top five as he’d be projected were he to forgo his senior year at Louisville.



Where's Troy Smith, Chris Leak and John Bock?

Mike13
12-11-2006, 03:15 PM
Quinn Seems the only solid QB out of that group, nice analysis BTW.

TractorTraylor
12-11-2006, 03:17 PM
Didnt Brohm already state that he is returning to Louisville for his Senior year?

and what about JaMarcus Russell from LSU? No love?

dominizzo
12-11-2006, 03:26 PM
I like Tyler Palko and brain Brohm

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 03:38 PM
Some additional analysis I found at draftclass.com

1. Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame (Senior)
Brady Quinn has the college production (3,633 yards and 33 touchdowns in 2005), size (6'4, 230), and premier arm strength that NFL teams look for in an elite quarterback prospect. Of course, being the quarterback for the most prominent college football program in the world doesn't hurt either. Quinn's terrific 2005 was due in large part to Charlie Weis' arrival; and with a year in Weis' system under his belt and most of his teammates returning, Quinn is poised for another monster season. Assuming he keeps the production up, Quinn is the clear favorite to be the #1 pick in next year's draft.

2. Brian Brohm, QB Louisville (Junior)
Brother of former NFL quarterbacks Greg and Jeff Brohm, Brian is already considered an elite quarterback prospect after just one season as Louisville's starter. When you watch the 6-foot-4 225 pound quarterback play, he just looks like an NFL quarterback. He's got the poise in the pocket and sweet throwing motion to fit right in on an NFL team; and his arm strength is arguably better than even Brady Quinn's. With a good 2006 season, Brohm could find himself selected in the first 10 picks of the draft - that is, if he decides to enter.

3. Drew Stanton, QB Michigan State (Senior)
A dual-threat at the QB position, Drew Stanton threw for 3,077 yards and 22 touchdowns while rushing for another 338 yards and 4 touchdowns in his first full season as MichiganState's starter. The 6-foot-3 230 pound Stanton has a big-time arm, great pocket mobility, and a very high ceiling in terms of potential. However, he has to rebound in 2006 after the Spartans lost 6 of their final 7 games last season and missed out on a bowl game. I'm not as high on Stanton at this point as some are, but he's neck-and-neck with Brohm as the second-rated quarterback in this class.

4. Troy Smith, QB Ohio State (Senior)
After being considered a pure running quarterback for the first couple years of his college career, Troy Smith burst onto the scene with a huge 2005 season. Smith threw for a surprising 2,282 yards and 16 touchdowns (with just 4 interceptions) in the Buckeye's run-first offense, while still rushing for 611 yards and 11 touchdowns. At 6'1 215, Smith does not have ideal size, and may project to receiver in the NFL. However, he appears to have an NFL-caliber arm, and if he builds on last season's performance, NFL teams could very well give him a look at quarterback.

5. Jordan Palmer, QB UTEP (Senior)
What's the best way to get NFL scouts to notice you? Be the quarterback of Notre Dame! But what's the second best way? Be related to a current NFL superstar! Such is the case with Jordan Palmer, brother of Bengals' quarterback Carson Palmer. To be fair, Jordan is quite accomplished in his own right. In 2 seasons as UTEP's starter, Palmer has racked up over 7,300 yards and 55 touchdowns; though he has thrown 37 interceptions. At 6-foot-5 233 pounds, he's got all the measurables to be a top NFL QB; but issues with consistency and sub-par competition need to be addressed.

Others to keep an eye on:

Chris Leak (Florida) - He's been good for Florida, but Chris Leak hasn't quite lived up to the huge hype surrounding him early in his Gator career. At 6'0 210 and with good but not dynamic speed, Leak is really going to need to improve his passing if he's going to get an early look in the NFL Draft.

Sam Keller (Ariz.State) - Keller burst onto the scene in 2004 when Andrew Walter got hurt, and was on a torrid pace before getting hurt himself in 2005. He's got a big arm, but needs to cut down on unnecessary risks.

John Beck (BYU) - One of the top prospects in his class coming out of high school, Beck posted an impressive 3,709 yards and 27 touchdowns in 2005. His arm is NFL-quality, but he'll have to work on the other aspects of his game to be a day one pick.

dominizzo
12-11-2006, 03:42 PM
Scouts are saying beck is pretty good

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 03:46 PM
Didnt Brohm already state that he is returning to Louisville for his Senior year?

and what about JaMarcus Russell from LSU? No love?People should remind Brohm about how Matt Leinart went from being the undisputed, consensus #1 draft pick in 2005 to #10 in 2006. Unless you reeeeally love college, a top prospect should declare himself when the iron's hot.

Don't know anything about Russell, but with the LSU connection, I'd suppose anything is possible.

Mike13
12-11-2006, 03:47 PM
Stanton is inconsistent, he's not worth a first rounder IMO.

LtDan
12-11-2006, 03:48 PM
NO WAY Troy Smith is a receiver in the NFL!! NO WAY!!

. Troy Smith, QB Ohio State (Senior)
After being considered a pure running quarterback for the first couple years of his college career, Troy Smith burst onto the scene with a huge 2005 season. Smith threw for a surprising 2,282 yards and 16 touchdowns (with just 4 interceptions) in the Buckeye's run-first offense, while still rushing for 611 yards and 11 touchdowns. At 6'1 215, Smith does not have ideal size, and may project to receiver in the NFL. However, he appears to have an NFL-caliber arm, and if he builds on last season's performance, NFL teams could very well give him a look at quarterback.

Noodle Arm
12-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Scouts are saying beck is pretty good

He has one of the best arms I've seen for somebody his height (listed as 6'2" but looks smaller) but I don't think he'll be a day 1 pick. Definitely an interesting prospect though for whoever gets him.

Crowder52
12-11-2006, 04:06 PM
Trent Edwards is a great long-term project at QB. He was in a Cutler like situation at Stanford where he led the Cardinal to a 5-6 record last year. He was injured this year and the team subsequently went 1-11. He is mobile and has a strong, accurate arm.

This is the kind of pick I would love to see the Phins make in the 5th or 6th round. Good value and would have a few years to learn the system and try to earn the job down the road.

ItsOurTime32
12-11-2006, 04:26 PM
palko led the big east in TD passes for pitt, give him 2-4 years to grow in this system and he could be like tony romo

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 04:31 PM
palko led the big east in TD passes for pitt, give him 2-4 years to grow in this system and he could be like tony romoI find it ironic that Palko was one of the top prospects in college football -- until Dave Wannstedt became his head coach! He does seem like a Drew Brees kind of player.

marino1348
12-11-2006, 04:37 PM
Some additional analysis I found at draftclass.com

Sam Keller (Ariz.State) - Keller burst onto the scene in 2004 when Andrew Walter got hurt, and was on a torrid pace before getting hurt himself in 2005. He's got a big arm, but needs to cut down on unnecessary risks.



Sam Keller Transfered to Nebraska. Unfortunately for him,Zac taylor really emerged this year, and Sam probably won't even play as a 5th year Senior.
He could likely be had pretty easily late in the 08 draft.

A QB I really like is Edwards out of Stanford. He seems to be a leader and I don't know of serious knock on him other than his team really sucks. I kind of veiw him like Jay Cutler, but since he doesn't have a rocket arm and isn't from Santa Clauss , he doesn't get the same hype.

Randy Mueller has been known to always take QB, and I don't see him passing up on Edwards if his avaliable on the 2nd day.

RoninFin4
12-11-2006, 04:40 PM
I'd rather take Jamarcus Russell if he declares over all them, but if we're going by the poll, I'll take Brian Brohm.

HEDAZHELAS24
12-11-2006, 04:54 PM
this poll is ridiculous...the question says which QB is the best prospect for MIAMI which means that there is no way anyone should be voting for Brady Quinn. So the best thing for miami to do in the draft is to trade all of our picks in this years draft for Brady Quinn???? we cant take on in the first so get rid of Quinn and Brohm for that matter. Troy Smith in the second i still dont really like it... I think we take on in the third and the absolute best prospect for a NFL vertical passing team is either Palmer but mainly DREW STANTON. before the year he was projected to go as the second QB taken in the top 10... the only thin that has changed is the team quit on the coach, his best WR got hurt, and his best RB got hurt. DID u see him play against Brady Quinn..AWESOME.. if the two switched teams the beating would have continued in the second half and that is a fact.
Just be openminded when draft season comes and listen and watch for him.. ive watched this guy and hes as mobile behind teh line of scrimmage as anyone in the draft and has confidence, amazing arm, and was a huge leader when ther was no one else including the coach on the Mich st football team

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 05:09 PM
Well, it's likely most of us would prefer Brady Quinn. And it's true that voting for him in a poll for this draft is a bit unrealistic. But everyone else on that list is a possibility, depending on many variables.

And how many people would have said Leinart and Cutler would be out of our reach before the 2006 draft? Yet, where we were in the first round, if we hadn't spent our 2nd rounder on Culpepper, we could have moved up to nab Jay Cutler. The Broncos one spot below us did just that.

Roman529
12-11-2006, 05:10 PM
I would not take a QB in the first round this year....but if we take a QB I would try to go with Tyler Palko in Round Two.......but the guy I really like is Colt Brennan of Hawaii....he is only a junior though so he will likely be in the 2008 draft.

Benched
12-11-2006, 05:56 PM
Chris Leak. I think he suits the Miami offense very nicely.

NJFINSFAN1
12-11-2006, 06:30 PM
1. Quinn
2. Stanton
3. Brohm (if he comes out)
4. Smith

K-BayFinFan
12-11-2006, 07:01 PM
I would not take a QB in the first round this year....but if we take a QB I would try to go with Tyler Palko in Round Two.......but the guy I really like is Colt Brennan of Hawaii....he is only a junior though so he will likely be in the 2008 draft.

I agree. we should stick with the QB's we have now. The fins will get help in the running game next season with the return of RR. Draft some dominating O-line talent, an ILB who can learn from one of the best (Zach Thomas),and in 2008 trade up to get Colt Brennan. I get to go to all the Hawaii home games and have seen this guy in action. He is the real deal!!!:dolphins:

K-BayFinFan
12-11-2006, 07:08 PM
RR--I meant RW:wink:

Flyer22
12-11-2006, 07:11 PM
I like Palko if he lasts to Day 2

ItsOurTime32
12-11-2006, 07:24 PM
he might, teams don't see palko's strength because he played on pitt
if he falls to round for he is a must pick

hell if he falls to 3rd round we should get him

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 08:07 PM
A couple of people mentioned Colt Brennan. Here's some of what I found:

AOL Sports writes

Colt Brennan, Hawaii: (http://scoreboards.aol.com/football/ncaaf/player/81030/player.aspx) Brennan completed 27 of 40 passes for 406 yards (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061112/SPORTS0201/611120378/1035/SPORTS) and four touchdowns and ran for 60 yards. Yes, his numbers are skewed by the pass-wacky June Jones offense the Warriors run, but Brennan doesn't pad his stats as much as he could: he sat out the fourth quarter for the sixth time this season. Brennan, a 23-year-old junior, is a legit NFL prospect. Keep in mind that his completion percentage is in the 70s, whereas his predecessor, Timmy Chang, never even got into the 60s, and Brennan has thrown only six interceptions this season, whereas Chang is the NCAA's all-time interception record holder, with 77 in his career. I expect Brennan to return to Hawaii for his senior season, but if he doesn't I think he'll be a first-day pick.

Football's Future writes

Hawaii Quarterback Colt Brennan Intends to Stay

Colt Brennan intends to stay at Hawaii (http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061122/SPORTS0201/611220353/1032/SPORTS) and said it would take an "extraordinary situation" to make him forgo his senior season. However, he left the door open if he were to project as a first-round selection in April, saying, "you'd have to consider (applying for the draft). That doesn't mean I'd go, but you'd have to consider it."

Brennan has received a lot of buzz from draft watchers after Kiper named him his top junior QB (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=87681). Supporters point to his production at Hawaii, quick release, and intelligence for his high rankings. Critics argue that his unorthodox throwing motion and Hawaii's schedule and offense distort his true potential. Decide for yourself... here is a 4 min highlight video from youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtaRtC1z7XI).

Mel Kiper says

"One player who has moved up to the top of his position is Hawaii's Colt Brennan, the top quarterback in the junior class. He has thrown at least four touchdown passes in eight straight games, and his 43 TD passes (and just seven INT) leads Division I-A by a wide margin. Yes, Brennan is the benefactor of the offense Hawaii runs, but he has been extremely accurate and throws a very catchable ball for his receivers."

Here's a four minute clip of highlights on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtaRtC1z7XI).

adamprez2003
12-11-2006, 08:20 PM
Ive seen some sites saying Brohm may be available somewhere between 10-15 and Troy Smith might be moving ahead of him. If Brohm is available and we dont draft him I'll go nuts. He is perfect for our system better than either QB we currently have. If he's not available I dont think any of the QBs other than Jamarcus Russell is worth our first rounder. I wouldnt even spend a 2nd on any of them. Kevin Kolb with a 4th rounder would be good and maybe if the coaching staff were willing to waste it a 3rd. He wont be ready for at least two seasons so I dont know if Saban is willing to be that patient

DonShula84
12-11-2006, 08:28 PM
1. Quinn
2. Stanton
3. Brohm (if he comes out)
4. Smith


Am I the only one who isnt impressed at all with Stanton?

Tailgun
12-11-2006, 09:15 PM
Ive seen some sites saying Brohm may be available somewhere between 10-15 and Troy Smith might be moving ahead of him. If Brohm is available and we dont draft him I'll go nuts.Remember when we felt that way about Jay Cutler? Then he fell to #11 in the draft and I was screaming "Take him!! TAKE HIM!!". But the Broncos used their 2nd rounder to trade up ahead of us and snatched him away; our own 2nd rounder had already been squandered.

If Brohm is available, Nick Saban would cement his reputation as a draft dolt by passing on him.

TexanPhinatic
12-11-2006, 10:01 PM
Its looking like hes going back, but weve heard that before ;)

If we pass on a QB like Smith or Brohm I have to say Tailguns comment would be accurate.

Joey 22
12-14-2006, 12:04 AM
Where is Russell?

TexanPhinatic
12-14-2006, 12:10 AM
Somewhere in the mid first round prolly. Honestly, from a personal standpoint I dont want him. He just seems more of an athlete than a QB. Would rather skip him and take Stanton or Kolb in the third if it comes to that.
Smith and Brohm would def. be my favorites.

unifiedtheory
12-14-2006, 12:21 AM
Joey is cheap under the cap and I believe Culpepper will be gone by training camp next year. The draft pick spent on him was wasted. I believe it's time to look for a legitimate prospect of our own.

You lost me here...

TexanPhinatic
12-14-2006, 02:24 AM
You lost me here...

I dunno, I understood it fine. I dont think we should rule out DC at this point, but he just didnt show me anything that would indicate hes gonne regain his old probowl form.
The negatives just piled up while the positives just kinda didnt :shakeno:

QB for us is just a huge question right now, and needs addressing badly.

Skeet84
12-14-2006, 03:14 AM
Brohm is returning so he is already out of the running.

Alex44
12-14-2006, 03:15 AM
Brohm is returning so he is already out of the running.

He says that now. But you never know, if some team says 'We want to make you the #2 pick in the draft' I bet he declares.

Tailgun
12-14-2006, 10:34 AM
I agree. If Brian Brohm is a top prospect, his circle of friends and advisers should remind him what happened to Matt Leinart. Injuries can happen in college football just like the pros, and taking a chance on not being a #1 pick in 2008 should motivate him to declare.

And a lot of guys at this time of the year claim they will return. That's mostly for the benefit of their college teammates, boosters and such. You'll find they often sing a different song in February.

Vertical Limit
12-14-2006, 12:28 PM
I'll take Tyler Palko in the 5th-6th round. :yes:

Motion
12-14-2006, 12:50 PM
Sam Keller is at Nebraska now and not declaring.

Where's Colt Brennan and JaMarcus Russell?

Both are potential 1st rounders.

Tailgun
12-14-2006, 12:57 PM
Sam Keller is at Nebraska now and not declaring.

Where's Colt Brennan and JaMarcus Russell?

Both are potential 1st rounders.I did add information about Colt Brennan a few posts back; didn't know about him when I first put up the poll. Can I edit additional names into the poll?

Regan21286
12-14-2006, 03:45 PM
Brady Quinn is a franchise QB along the mold of Carson Palmer. That said, unless we make a draft-day trade and dump Culpepper, we're not getting Quinn. If it weren't for the fact that we're stuck with Daunte, we'd be in a good position to draft a good QB.

Stitches
12-14-2006, 04:26 PM
Sam Keller is at Nebraska now and not declaring.

Where's Colt Brennan and JaMarcus Russell?

Both are potential 1st rounders.

Brennan won't come out this year though. Potential first next year, but still not likely the 1st QB taken.

Motion
12-14-2006, 04:32 PM
Brennan won't come out this year though. Potential first next year, but still not likely the 1st QB taken.

Actually he hasn't ruled it out yet, still possible.

TexanPhinatic
12-14-2006, 07:45 PM
ANY speculation on whether people will stay or come out is really moot until its the last day for draft eligibility declarations.
To many players say one thing and then go the other way. Most often than not, the first round type guys will come out rather than risk injury or a lackluster stat year.
Unless a guy really sees he can improve and dominate as a senior in ways he couldnt as a junior, or really really wants a championship shot they will be coming out.

Skeet84
12-14-2006, 07:48 PM
He says that now. But you never know, if some team says 'We want to make you the #2 pick in the draft' I bet he declares.


I bet he doesn't! I will take his word over your thoughts

Tailgun
12-15-2006, 10:52 AM
I really like Brady Quinn, followed by Brian Brohm (who I think we'd have the best shot at if he comes out, Quinn and Smith will likely go first).

But I'm also intrigued by Palko, Stanton and Palmer. Can the deficiencies in their game be ironed out in the pros? I mean, if you like measurables, you gotta love Jordan Palmer: 6-5, 230 pounds. The kid could be another Ben Roethlesberger in terms of physical presence.

Pennington's Rocket Arm
12-15-2006, 12:46 PM
who voted for chris leak?

Vertical Limit
12-15-2006, 12:56 PM
who voted for chris leak?
Seriously. :sidelol:

Vertical Limit
12-15-2006, 01:01 PM
I really like Brady Quinn, followed by Brian Brohm (who I think we'd have the best shot at if he comes out, Quinn and Smith will likely go first).

But I'm also intrigued by Palko, Stanton and Palmer. Can the deficiencies in their game be ironed out in the pros? I mean, if you like measurables, you gotta love Jordan Palmer: 6-5, 230 pounds. The kid could be another Ben Roethlesberger in terms of physical presence.
Tyler Palko IMO has potential [key word: potential] to be a solid NFL quarterback. He has great poise and a huge arm, fairly accurate [he will hit the bullseye 7 out of 10 times], and will be a great 2nd day pick. I got a feeling he will have a great combine, so we'll see where he lands.

Dave Wannstedt will pay us back in FULL after putting up with all his mediocre QB's in the past if we draft Tyler Palko. :yes:

D-bolt
12-15-2006, 01:38 PM
I personally would like Stanton in either the 2nd or 3rd round. He has great mobility and no fear. The guy played on kickoff and punt teams when he wasn't a starter. He has great physical tools and I believe with the right coaching he could be very good 3yrs down the road. Has a similar game to s Losman or a Smith.

Majpain
12-15-2006, 01:41 PM
You forgot the best QB in the nation Troy Smith.

DonShula84
12-15-2006, 07:21 PM
You forgot the best QB in the nation Troy Smith.

He's on the list

Vertical Limit
12-15-2006, 08:09 PM
You forgot the best QB in the nation Troy Smith.
:rolleyes2 Yeah, we forgot about the Maxwell winner.

Tailgun
12-17-2006, 07:27 PM
After today, does anyone still doubt my point that we absolutely must devote a top pick to quarterback this offseason?

Boomer
12-17-2006, 07:33 PM
There are 5 potential 1st round QB's Brady Quinn, Brian Brohm, JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan and Troy Smith. Brohm will almost certainly stay in school, Russell had a great year but has issues over intelligence, Brennan is on the fence over coming out but is ridiculously accurate with a gun, Smith has a cannon, is accurate, but has height and off field issues.

jlfin
12-17-2006, 08:39 PM
i dont think quarterback is the issue we will address first in the draft, especially with all the money locked up in culpepper, and the draft picks we gave up for him and joey. look towards wr (calvin johnson) or safety/db
The object of the game is to build a winning football team. You don't bypass a talented QB prospect just because you have money invested in veteran QB's who are clearly over rated and who can't produce.
That is ridiculous. If the Phins make a stupid mistake like that they deserve to remain an NFL also ran.

jlfin
12-17-2006, 08:41 PM
After today, does anyone still doubt my point that we absolutely must devote a top pick to quarterback this offseason?

I've been saying it since the 5th week of the season. Yet, some keep talking about LT or WR. Like the previous coaching regimes they seem to forget about the single most important position on a football team.

DonShula84
12-17-2006, 08:50 PM
:rolleyes2 Yeah, we forgot about the Maxwell winner.


:lol: :yes:

TexanPhinatic
12-17-2006, 08:58 PM
The object of the game is to build a winning football team. You don't bypass a talented QB prospect just because you have money invested in veteran QB's who are clearly over rated and who can't produce.
That is ridiculous. If the Phins make a stupid mistake like that they deserve to remain an NFL also ran.

YES!! I really hope that Saban understands this. And while its nice to draft guys in the later rounds, at this point we need a top notch prospect, meaning first round. Unless we are just totally out of position to draft one, we NEED to take a guy in the first.

Quinn is likely going top 3, depending on who eventually falls where. Troy Smith and Brohm would fight for the second QB slot, going anywhere from 5-15 likely. Russell would go from 15-25, possibly sliding up if Brohm doesnt declare, while Brennen goes in the later round.

At this point, I think our best shot is Smith. Even it looks like he is going before us, we SHOULD be able to move up and grab him. Im really hoping the stupid height thing will push him down-it has the potential. As for his off field thing-he took some money from a booster. Its not like hes beating his girl or assaulting cops, driving drunk or stabbing people :)

But yeah, Joey has proved he is not a starter now. He can be good, but he is not consistent enough, and not enough of a playmaker to make up for the inconsistency.
And DC just gives off the smell of being washed up. Big injuries, mental issues, bla bla, all has been said before. I for one dont want to pin our future on his shoulders without insurance that a young gun would give us.

Build the team around the QB, not the other way.

Tailgun
12-17-2006, 11:11 PM
Brennan is intriguing; one would hope he declares, along with Brohm. The more quality prospects are in the draft, the greater our ability to nab one where we'll be selecting (8-14).

At this point, I'd even demand we give up a package of picks to move up another six spots or so, if it meant we got Brian Brohm.

TexanPhinatic
12-18-2006, 02:41 AM
Moving up 6 spots when we will already be around 10th will cost to much. But 2-3 spot is realistic I think. We need a QB in the worst way, but we dont need anyone so badly that we pull a Ditka and trade the whole draft away :)

Tailgun
12-19-2006, 10:35 AM
Well, we picked what, 15, last year? At 9-7 we were midround. Obviously we'll be finishing with a worse record this year. With two more tough games against motivated playoff contenders (Jets and Colts), the Fins could be picking in the Top 10, after all.

PhinsRock
12-19-2006, 10:49 AM
As much as I like a lot of these candidates, seems there are enough quality prospects that we shouldn't have to use our first round pick on QB. Rather we draft a LT in round 1.

D-bolt
12-19-2006, 02:06 PM
There are 5 potential 1st round QB's Brady Quinn, Brian Brohm, JaMarcus Russell, Colt Brennan and Troy Smith. Brohm will almost certainly stay in school, Russell had a great year but has issues over intelligence, Brennan is on the fence over coming out but is ridiculously accurate with a gun, Smith has a cannon, is accurate, but has height and off field issues.
Hey Boomer,
As I posted earlier I think Stanton could be a really good QB, but I wanted to see if there is anything going around your circle of whether he's considered damaged goods right now????

Boomer
12-19-2006, 02:41 PM
He had a disappointing year D, but he has moxie and he's probably a 2nd rounder, but he needs to answer some questions between now and April.

D-bolt
12-19-2006, 04:13 PM
He had a disappointing year D, but he has moxie and he's probably a 2nd rounder, but he needs to answer some questions between now and April.
Thanks for the update. The one thing that I really like about him is that "moxie". I've stated this a few different times, but any qb who was willing to be a gunner on kick coverages just to be on the field has a demeanor of a "player". he definately had a rough senior outing, but he definately has the tools to work with.

phins3454
12-19-2006, 06:39 PM
of course Im going to say my boy Brian Brohm....he did tell local media that he is planning on staying for his senior year but he also said that he will keep his NFL options open, he says he wont make a desicion until after the Orange Bowl, so I think if he has a good bowl he will likely come out. But Im scared the Panthers might grab him before we will in the draft.

As for Colt Brennan....I wouldnt take him in the 1st round....although he put up huge numbers, he plays in the WAC a VERY VERY weak conference. Im not taking nothing away from him but he was in a very easy high powered offence system, throw the ball 10 yards and let the WR do the rest

Chris Leak lacks ideal height for the NFL...and he makes way too many mistakes...his mechanics will need a lot of work as well.

Drew Stanton has definatly had a disapointing season, In some games he looks like a sure 1st rounder but in other games he looks like a undrafted free agent...wildley inconsistant. but he has great mobilty and can throw on the run better than most QB's.....hes also very injury prone.

Jordan Palmer throws way too many INT's....he forces a lot of passes that shouldnt be thrown


Tyler Palko is a guy I wouldnt mind drafting in a later round...he makes good desicions with the ball, a smart QB

Stitches
12-19-2006, 09:36 PM
of course Im going to say my boy Brian Brohm....he did tell local media that he is planning on staying for his senior year but he also said that he will keep his NFL options open, he says he wont make a desicion until after the Orange Bowl, so I think if he has a good bowl he will likely come out. But Im scared the Panthers might grab him before we will in the draft.

As for Colt Brennan....I wouldnt take him in the 1st round....although he put up huge numbers, he plays in the WAC a VERY VERY weak conference. Im not taking nothing away from him but he was in a very easy high powered offence system, throw the ball 10 yards and let the WR do the rest

Chris Leak lacks ideal height for the NFL...and he makes way too many mistakes...his mechanics will need a lot of work as well.

Drew Stanton has definatly had a disapointing season, In some games he looks like a sure 1st rounder but in other games he looks like a undrafted free agent...wildley inconsistant. but he has great mobilty and can throw on the run better than most QB's.....hes also very injury prone.

Jordan Palmer throws way too many INT's....he forces a lot of passes that shouldnt be thrown


Tyler Palko is a guy I wouldnt mind drafting in a later round...he makes good desicions with the ball, a smart QB
:lol:

And you are taking plenty of "things" away from brennan with both of these comments:

although he put up huge numbers, he plays in the WAC a VERY VERY weak conference

he was in a very easy high powered offence system, throw the ball 10 yards and let the WR do the rest
By the way I saw you say he was 6'1" in another thread. He is 6'3" 190lbs. That's certainly on the light side, but not the short side.
And I like how you don't mention his unbelievable accuracy. Even Timmy Chang, who you were referencing by saying you could plug any QB in that offense and do well, never came close to sniffing 60% completions. Brennan may be in a system offense, but he has gone above and beyond what you would expect from even some of the best system QBs.

Dors156
12-19-2006, 10:12 PM
i believe palmer could be there in the third which i could see us going for him but my favorite is Brohm as the most realistic option but i doubt miami goes first round QB.

Joey 22
12-19-2006, 10:54 PM
Russell all the way!!!!!

tonto_phin
12-22-2006, 12:18 AM
hopefully we can find a Kellen Clemens on draft day

in a PBP article this dude was called this year's Cutler(hopefully we could get him in the 2nd)




Trent Edwards

Position:QB
Number:05
School:Stanford (http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profiles_by_team.cfm?school=Stanford)
Height:6'4
Status:Senior
Weight:210

He is a player at the quarterback position that i have very high hopes for
He has everything you look for in a quarterback, the size and athletic ability jump out at you, his toughness and willingness to stand tall in the pocket when it is apparent he has to take the hit to complete the pass, he looks to pass first and scramble second, and when he does scramble he is very effective at it in that he makes a quick decision and goes
He also has the mobility to do both run and throw on the move, he is as adaptable passing on the run or in the pocket, but I and I believe he prefers to throw from the pocket first, and with his mobility he keeps plays alive moving around extending plays keeping his eyes down field for the completion, and at the same time keeping a defense honest with his running ability
I am also impressed with his poise and quick decision making he shows in the pocket, he has a quick release, with a strong and accurate arm, he also has the variety of touches and arm strength needed to make a defense have to defend the entire field, he reminds me of former NFL quarterback "Troy Aikman" in all of the above characteristics except that he is a more mobile and athletic player than Aikman
He has all the physical skills you look for in a quarterback, but will he progress mentally as a young quarterback with few snaps in his career?if he is a mobile Aikman, I would take him in any round

FinFan_Est.1984
12-24-2006, 05:46 AM
My vote goes to Colt Brennan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Brennan

http://www.hawaiiathletics.com/Candidates/Brennan/colt_brennan.html

WestCKoastiN
12-24-2006, 08:14 PM
Brady Quinn..

IMO should be Troy Smith heismen means alot..

DonShula84
12-24-2006, 08:18 PM
Brady Quinn..

IMO should be Troy Smith heismen means alot..


Heisman meant a lot to Jason White and Eric Crouch also...

PhinSoldia
12-24-2006, 09:07 PM
ok guys honestly as long as Pepper hasnt had a healthy chance to show that he is the answer we wont go for brohm or J-Mar...i think Drew Stanton or (as much as i dont want a Wanny product) Tyler Palco or Trent Edwards in the 3rd round...or if Mr. Smith drops to the 3rd he is a gimmie pick

Tailgun
12-24-2006, 10:09 PM
ok guys honestly as long as Pepper hasnt had a healthy chance to show that he is the answer we wont go for brohm or J-Mar...i think Drew Stanton or (as much as i dont want a Wanny product) Tyler Palco or Trent Edwards in the 3rd round...or if Mr. Smith drops to the 3rd he is a gimmie pick
The irony is that Palko was on his way to a stellar statistical college career before Wannstedt arrived...

outtawack311
12-24-2006, 11:24 PM
If we pick Palmer I will be EXTREMELY upset. This guy has shown no ability to lead a team in a tight situation. Every meaningful game he has had he throws 2-3 INTs. He never has come from behind wins because he always blows it. He has has the height and the strength, but completely lacks any kind of intangible you would look for in a QB. I have seen this kid play more than once and paid attention to his stats (I am a UCF guy, we play in the same conference as palmer). The UTEP fans are pretty sick of him screwing up too.

I am on saban's side all the way right now, if he drafts Palmer even I would call for him to resign.

Vertical Limit
12-28-2006, 01:20 AM
Heisman meant a lot to Jason White and Eric Crouch also...
Weinke too.

finfan54
12-28-2006, 10:13 AM
Dont take a QB for the sake of taking a QB. Jamarcus Russell is a guy I think will translate into the pros nicely. Why is he not mentioned?

Phanatical
12-28-2006, 11:47 AM
Anyone know if Colt Brennan is going to declare draft eligible or not? Would he be a good pickup? The guy is setting all kinds of records and having a great year but you hardly hear about him.

Kyfinsfan
12-28-2006, 12:46 PM
Here are two stories regarding Russell and Brohm. Seem relevant to this discussion.

Brohm - http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...44/1002/SPORTS (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS0201/612280444/1002/SPORTS)

Russell - http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps...CAT=NDSports02 (http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NDSports02/612280402/-1/SPORTS/CAT=NDSports02)

adamprez2003
12-28-2006, 01:09 PM
Here are two stories regarding Russell and Brohm. Seem relevant to this discussion.

Brohm - http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...44/1002/SPORTS (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS0201/612280444/1002/SPORTS)

Russell - http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps...CAT=NDSports02

Sounds to me if Brohm has a good game he is going to declare. I think that's great news. We may finally have our franchise QB

silverloop13
12-29-2006, 09:17 PM
I picked Brohm. Of course Im a season ticket holder for UofL so I hope he stays in school but I dont think he will. I think him getting hurt last year made him realize that you have to take your chance when it comes. If he can be a top 10 pick ( I think he will be) then he should go.

Hes going to be losing some lineman and I think Michael Bush coming out will also encourage him to declare. Bush is no longer going to classes so Id say hes coming out.


Ive said this before but Im sick of seeing other teams get their franchise QB while we put has beens and never was under center. I hope DC can come back and be what we wanted but Id love to have a young QB in the wings who could take over like Palmer/Rivers did for their teams.

On a personal note I am quickly becoming disgusted with the Fins. Ive felt like this since Wanny was in his third year year. Id love to see my hometown QB come in and thrive for us.

buddhafin
12-30-2006, 02:24 PM
Colt Brennan!!!!

Tailgun
01-04-2007, 03:35 PM
Here are two stories regarding Russell and Brohm. Seem relevant to this discussion.

Brohm - http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/...44/1002/SPORTS (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/SPORTS0201/612280444/1002/SPORTS)

Russell - http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps...CAT=NDSports02 (http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061228/NDSports02/612280402/-1/SPORTS/CAT=NDSports02)
The amount of hype JaMarcus Russell is starting to get on these forums worries me. The more I read about him the more he looks like another Daunte Culpepper: an athlete lining up under center with very shaky passing skills beyond the ability to throw far.

No one-trick ponies, please. Use our top pick on a true field general.

Brian Brohm, Colt Brennan, Tyler Palko or (if a miracle happens) Brady Quinn. In fact, if we like him, Palko wouldn't even cost us the top pick.

Regan21286
01-04-2007, 03:39 PM
The amount of hype JaMarcus Russell is starting to get on these forums worries me. The more I read about him the more he looks like another Daunte Culpepper: an athlete lining up under center with very shaky passing skills beyond the ability to throw far.

No one-trick ponies, please. Use our top pick on a true field general.

Brian Brohm, Colt Brennan, Tyler Palko or (if a miracle happens) Brady Quinn. In fact, if we like him, Palko wouldn't even cost us the top pick.


I agree. This team needs a pure pocket passer along the lines of Manning and Marino. I'm not saying those QB's in the draft are at their level but they follow the same gameplay. You look at teams in the Super Bowl, they're all pocket passers and great field generals. Guys like Culpepper and Vick, QB's that rely more on their legs and arm than mind, can't cut it. McNabb had to adopt a better field sense and convert to a pocket passer during that string of seasons where they advanced quite far.

Stitches
01-04-2007, 03:53 PM
I agree. This team needs a pure pocket passer along the lines of Manning and Marino. I'm not saying those QB's in the draft are at their level but they follow the same gameplay. You look at teams in the Super Bowl, they're all pocket passers and great field generals. Guys like Culpepper and Vick, QB's that rely more on their legs and arm than mind, can't cut it. McNabb had to adopt a better field sense and convert to a pocket passer during that string of seasons where they advanced quite far.

I don't think Russell is that much like Culpepper, and certainly not like Vick. Russell seems to make much faster decisions, and is very accurrate(not that Culpepper isn't). I didn't notice at all where Russell depended on his legs to make a play, other than the designed QB draw. I saw him rely on his size to avoid a sack, but never did I see him rely on his ability to run. t just so happens that he can run very well.

finintheburgh
01-04-2007, 06:09 PM
I don't think Russell is that much like Culpepper, and certainly not like Vick. Russell seems to make much faster decisions, and is very accurrate(not that Culpepper isn't). I didn't notice at all where Russell depended on his legs to make a play, other than the designed QB draw. I saw him rely on his size to avoid a sack, but never did I see him rely on his ability to run. t just so happens that he can run very well.




russel is alot like DC, with out the great scrambling.

Regan21286
01-04-2007, 09:21 PM
I don't think Russell is that much like Culpepper, and certainly not like Vick. Russell seems to make much faster decisions, and is very accurrate(not that Culpepper isn't). I didn't notice at all where Russell depended on his legs to make a play, other than the designed QB draw. I saw him rely on his size to avoid a sack, but never did I see him rely on his ability to run. t just so happens that he can run very well.

Still considering the fact that just about anyone can rack up passing yards and scores against that putrid ND defense, I wasn't that impressed with Russell's performance. Also, it is easier to make faster decisions when a guy is always wide open especially in college. And chances are, he may return to LSU.

ncdolfan
01-04-2007, 11:55 PM
Before the Saban debacle, I did not feel as if the Dolphins should draft a QB in the 1st round. However, with a new coach coming in, I think it is the perfect time to draft a QB if the right one is available. You've got Daunte coming back - he should be healthy enough to play. If he does great, the 1st round QB sits for a year or two as Rivers did and you trade Culpepper after that time. If Culpepper struggles, let the new QB play a few games into the season as happened with V. Young, Leinart, and Cutler this year. The only thing that goes against this strategy is Huizenga's comment that he wants to win sooner rather than later. But I don't think the Titans, Cards, and Broncos would argue you have to delay winning by 2-3 years by drafting a 1st round QB.

I think there are 3 QBs that would be worthy of the 9th pick - Quinn, Russell, or Brohm. I think Quinn and Russell (assuming he declares) would be gone by the 9th pick. I would hope Brohm (if he declares and based on some comments made after the Orange Bowl, he seems to be considering it) makes it to #9 and is the Dolphins pick. I like his makeup and he seems to have both the physical skills and intangibles to be successful.

In looking at the 8 teams drafting before the Dolphins, obviously the Raiders and Lions will probably be looking at QB. However, an argument could be made that the next 6 teams (Browns, Bucs, Cards, Redskins, Vikings, Texans) will not be looking for a QB in the 1st round.

(1) The Browns could go QB, but they've got 2 young QBs and from what I've seen they may be looking to bring in a veteran.

(2) The Bucs just resigned Chris Simms

(3) Cards - Leinart

(4) Redskins - Campbell

(5) Vikings - Spent a 2nd round pick last year on Tavaris Jackson - they could go QB, but hopefully not. (I realize the Dolphins spent a 2nd round pick on Culpepper, but I think the situations are different.)

(6) Texans - Spent a lot of money on David Carr last year and he did progress some this year with Gary Kubiak

So, it is possible Brohm is there with the 9th pick. Also, the teams picking immediately behind the Dolphins (Falcons, 49ers, Bills, Rams) would not be drafting QB in the 1st round and therefore it is unlikely they would trade up in front of the Dolphins to acquire a QB. Panthers at #14 could possibly be looking at QB, but they would have to give up a lot to go from #14 to #8 or higher.

The Dolphins need to get their own QB that hopefully can be theirs for 10-12 years. It is the most important piece of the football team and once a team gets that position settled, it is much easier to fill in the remaining spots. The Dolphins had very low rated QBs in passer rating the last 2 years (29th in 2006 and 28th in 2005) - need to get that in the top half of the league in order to be competitive. Teams strike gold with later round QBs at times, but the most proven way to get a quality QB is to draft one in the 1st round.

PHINSfan
01-05-2007, 08:04 AM
Before the Saban debacle, I did not feel as if the Dolphins should draft a QB in the 1st round. However, with a new coach coming in, I think it is the perfect time to draft a QB if the right one is available. You've got Daunte coming back - he should be healthy enough to play. If he does great, the 1st round QB sits for a year or two as Rivers did and you trade Culpepper after that time. If Culpepper struggles, let the new QB play a few games into the season as happened with V. Young, Leinart, and Cutler this year. The only thing that goes against this strategy is Huizenga's comment that he wants to win sooner rather than later. But I don't think the Titans, Cards, and Broncos would argue you have to delay winning by 2-3 years by drafting a 1st round QB.

I think there are 3 QBs that would be worthy of the 9th pick - Quinn, Russell, or Brohm. I think Quinn and Russell (assuming he declares) would be gone by the 9th pick. I would hope Brohm (if he declares and based on some comments made after the Orange Bowl, he seems to be considering it) makes it to #9 and is the Dolphins pick. I like his makeup and he seems to have both the physical skills and intangibles to be successful.

In looking at the 8 teams drafting before the Dolphins, obviously the Raiders and Lions will probably be looking at QB. However, an argument could be made that the next 6 teams (Browns, Bucs, Cards, Redskins, Vikings, Texans) will not be looking for a QB in the 1st round.

(1) The Browns could go QB, but they've got 2 young QBs and from what I've seen they may be looking to bring in a veteran.

(2) The Bucs just resigned Chris Simms

(3) Cards - Leinart

(4) Redskins - Campbell

(5) Vikings - Spent a 2nd round pick last year on Tavaris Jackson - they could go QB, but hopefully not. (I realize the Dolphins spent a 2nd round pick on Culpepper, but I think the situations are different.)

(6) Texans - Spent a lot of money on David Carr last year and he did progress some this year with Gary Kubiak

So, it is possible Brohm is there with the 9th pick. Also, the teams picking immediately behind the Dolphins (Falcons, 49ers, Bills, Rams) would not be drafting QB in the 1st round and therefore it is unlikely they would trade up in front of the Dolphins to acquire a QB. Panthers at #14 could possibly be looking at QB, but they would have to give up a lot to go from #14 to #8 or higher.

The Dolphins need to get their own QB that hopefully can be theirs for 10-12 years. It is the most important piece of the football team and once a team gets that position settled, it is much easier to fill in the remaining spots. The Dolphins had very low rated QBs in passer rating the last 2 years (29th in 2006 and 28th in 2005) - need to get that in the top half of the league in order to be competitive. Teams strike gold with later round QBs at times, but the most proven way to get a quality QB is to draft one in the 1st round.

Completelly agree!!!

Tailgun
01-05-2007, 11:02 AM
I have to say that the more I look at that eight teams ahead of us, the more concerned I get. Anywhere from four to six of them could go QB if they find one of these potential greats falling into their lap.

The only reassurance I would have is if all three highly-regarded juniors declared. Adding Brohm, Russell and Brennan turns this into a stellar QB draft and all but insures that one will fall to us.

Tailgun
01-09-2007, 03:07 PM
Another interesting scenario I've heard recently floated is that Detroit could trade spots with Atlanta for Matt Schaub. The Falcons would then use the #2 spot to draft LT Joe Thomas.

This makes things even more interesting should both Brohm and Brennan declare. If Russell and Quinn go in the Top 5 and Detroit nabs Schaub by trade, it greatly improves the chances Brian Brohm falls to us at #9.

spydertl79
01-09-2007, 06:28 PM
None of them are overly impressive IMO. Brohm and Beck are the two I would be most interested in.