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FinsNCanes
01-07-2007, 11:03 PM
My dad works for Sony so all I hear about is Blu-ray non stop. I was reading through the net and lots of people are saying HD DVD will come out on top. I really don't understand the difference. Anyone want to explain? Aren't both 1080p? What is the actual big deal about 1080p anyway? I can't imagine it's much better then 1080i.

mor911
01-07-2007, 11:04 PM
oh jeezus. here we go again.

mor911
01-07-2007, 11:11 PM
i'm sorry, a post just seems to have disappeared.... :lol:

FinsNCanes
01-07-2007, 11:14 PM
i'm sorry, a post just seems to have disappeared.... :lol:


:fire:

You have a 360 right? Can't wait to headshot your ***.

PhinKev
01-07-2007, 11:40 PM
My dad works for Sony so all I hear about is Blu-ray non stop. I was reading through the net and lots of people are saying HD DVD will come out on top. I really don't understand the difference. Anyone want to explain? Aren't both 1080p? What is the actual big deal about 1080p anyway? I can't imagine it's much better then 1080i.

They are different formats that both allow for greater storage. The biggest difference is that Blue Ray is ore advanced and allows for larger capacity.

Phinz420
01-07-2007, 11:50 PM
They are different formats that both allow for greater storage. The biggest difference is that Blue Ray is ore advanced and allows for larger capacity.

Which wont even matter until years from now when they can finally utilize that much extra space.

By then, there could even be a better format looming.

PhinKev
01-08-2007, 12:11 AM
Which wont even matter until years from now when they can finally utilize that much extra space.

By then, there could even be a better format looming.

Yeah, probably. The real answer is that someone is going to make a lot of money based on which one wins.

Fresh
01-08-2007, 12:37 AM
I don't even know.. I have a PS3, a HDTV and all of that.......

But I still buy the regular widescreen dvd's. :confused:

mor911
01-12-2007, 09:38 AM
Just thought this was an interesting article. It pretty much says that because of the cost of Blu-Ray, the porn industry is leadning towards HD-DVD.

Granted, that doesn't rule out anything. But porn is big. for me at least. :wink:

http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/01/11/ces2007_hddvd_blu_ray/

Phin-o-rama
01-12-2007, 09:59 AM
yeah there was a sony fanboy on here before spouting about how blu ray will dominate because the porn industry was going blu ray....and that they had that much power in deciding the winner...haha hope he was right!

Scatman
01-12-2007, 11:30 AM
yea dont think itll be the same as when porn industry decided to go vhs cause back then there was no other way to get porn. but now with internet..blue ray and hd-dvd will have to play for 2nd at best....cause i dont even think theyl beat dvd's.

Motion
01-12-2007, 11:40 AM
Blu-Ray uses a Blue laser. :D

What color does HD DVD's use?

DeathStar
01-12-2007, 11:44 AM
blu-ray has more capicity than HD DVD, but HD DVD cost less to make then blu-ray.

both use the blue-violet laser.

Phin-o-rama
01-12-2007, 12:35 PM
i didn't say porn was gonna sway anything....im saying some sony kid was saying that blu ray would definitely win because of porn choosing it....i hope he's right, because i already have an hd-dvd player and a few movies...**** ill buy porn on an hd-dvd to at least check it out....(the chicks better be hot)

people will buy it in hd-dvd.....i mean you can get alot off the internet and obviously the net is a major source of income for them....but people that want the best of the best quality wise? will buy the high def dvd's...another big score for hd-dvd camp...while the blu ray is technically superior stats wise hd-dvd has been producing higher quality pictures (according to most early adopters)...

Fresh
01-12-2007, 12:52 PM
I'm not paying $30-35 for a damn movie that costs $15-20.

If you have an HDTV, then regular DVD's look damn good..

Phin-o-rama
01-12-2007, 01:09 PM
you're right...but let me tell you that king kong and especially Serenity on hd-dvd are un real...phenomenal...almost 3-d

Dol-Fan Dupree
01-12-2007, 01:59 PM
you're right...but let me tell you that king kong and especially Serenity on hd-dvd are un real...phenomenal...almost 3-d

yea I saw a demo of King Kong in the microsoft cafe and it looked amazing on Hd-DVD. I really want to get one now. I wonder if it would look too much worse on my crappy 1080i tv

Dol-Fan Dupree
01-12-2007, 02:00 PM
i didn't say porn was gonna sway anything....im saying some sony kid was saying that blu ray would definitely win because of porn choosing it....i hope he's right, because i already have an hd-dvd player and a few movies...**** ill buy porn on an hd-dvd to at least check it out....(the chicks better be hot)

people will buy it in hd-dvd.....i mean you can get alot off the internet and obviously the net is a major source of income for them....but people that want the best of the best quality wise? will buy the high def dvd's...another big score for hd-dvd camp...while the blu ray is technically superior stats wise hd-dvd has been producing higher quality pictures (according to most early adopters)...


wow talk about putting words in my mouth.

Dolfan5000
01-12-2007, 02:30 PM
People are so ignorant. The PS3's strongest point has nothing to do with it's Blu-Ray functionality it's the cell proccesor in that bad boy that will leave competitors in it's wake. Blu-Ray may help it here and there but it is ultimately irrelevant in terms of performance.

Phinz420
01-12-2007, 03:09 PM
yeah there was a sony fanboy on here before spouting about how blu ray will dominate because the porn industry was going blu ray....and that they had that much power in deciding the winner...haha hope he was right!

Link it

Phinz420
01-12-2007, 03:10 PM
People are so ignorant. The PS3's strongest point has nothing to do with it's Blu-Ray functionality it's the cell proccesor in that bad boy that will leave competitors in it's wake. Blu-Ray may help it here and there but it is ultimately irrelevant in terms of performance.


Developers themselves have stated it will take a lot of time before the Cell processor is able to make a huge impact.

Phinz420
01-12-2007, 03:14 PM
Warner Switching to Hybrid Blue Ray/HD Discs Completely..... (http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/83613)



Toshiba is pushing HD DVD with the help of Microsoft, while Sony and nearly all of the movie studios push Blu-ray.

http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/ArticleID/14521/14521.html


Once HD DVD gets in bed with as many movie studios as Blue Ray, Dual Format will take the win.

Phin-o-rama
01-12-2007, 03:34 PM
Link it



too lazy to look, not that important....i'm sure its not that hard to believe is it?

Phinz420
01-12-2007, 03:48 PM
too lazy to look, not that important....i'm sure its not that hard to believe is it?

Just saying, Ive been pretty rampant around the gaming forum and hadn't noticed anyone prodding Microsoft over the porn industry choosing Blue Ray.

Your right though, it's not a big deal.

With 80% of High Definition players coming from the 360 & the PS3, I think Microsoft should be making bigger strides to get HD DVD into every movie studio. This would also help make the transition to HD/BR Combo discs faster, and in the end - cheaper.

There is a lot of talk going in the blog sites about how these combo discs could spell the end for standard DVDs domination(in the future obviously). Had HDDVD won soley, standard DVDs would still be on the back side of those discs. With the BR/HD discs that will be adopted, that leaves no room for the Standard DVDs. Now, Im not suggesting this will happen any time fast, Standard DVDs will rule the market for years- but I think things are becoming more clearer now in that both HD/BR will be here to stay.

What would be nice, is if Microsoft & Sony could actually come through for us in giving us games that realistically take up the full size of these discs, not the crap they pulled with Resistance.

Dolfan5000
01-12-2007, 04:25 PM
Developers themselves have stated it will take a lot of time before the Cell processor is able to make a huge impact.
Can you reference this? That's such a random thing , people in IT always expect something to take longer to develop than it truly does because the market's like oh snap I want that!

Phinz420
01-12-2007, 04:32 PM
Can you reference this? That's such a random thing , people in IT always expect something to take longer to develop than it truly does because the market's like oh snap I want that!

No problem.


Gamepro continues by asking about working with the Playstation 3 and the Cell processor. Apparently Insomniac has a very talented team who can take advantage of the Cell and its SPE’s, but Price also admits that he thinks that development teams have barely scratched the surface of the full potential. Stating it will take a while before developers get the hang of it, but we’ll be seeing bigger and better things once they do.

http://www.playstatic.com/news/240

Dolfan5000
01-12-2007, 06:19 PM
No problem.



http://www.playstatic.com/news/240
A "while". Just restates what I originally said. Blu-Ray is good promotion but the cell will drive the PS3.

Desides
01-15-2007, 03:52 PM
I could list the technical differences, but that'd be boring. So, the major differences that actually matter:

* Blu-Ray can store more data per layer (25 GB) than HD-DVD (15 GB) can. This is great news for things like TV show season collections: you've got less discs to worry about.

* Blu-Ray's theoretical image quality is higher than HD-DVD's, because the additional space allows for more room to store video data. HD-DVD supporters, like Toshiba, don't even dispute this: they simply claim that the average viewer won't be able to tell the difference, as opposed to claiming that HD-DVD's video quality is better overall.

* Blu-Ray has far more movie studio and tech company support than HD-DVD. Visual aid time:

http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

As far as the PS3 goes, Blu-Ray gives developers more disc space to insert uncompressed textures, higher-quality music, etc.

Of course, right now, the format war is slightly tilting toward HD-DVD as far as adoption rates go, simply because of the anti-Sony feelings among tech opinion leaders. Nevermind that Blu-Ray isn't a Sony proprietary format...

Long story short, the new format is necessary, and Blu-Ray is the technically superior of the two. Though by the time either format is adopted enough to declare itself the winner, we'll have high-density flash cards on the horizon. Imagine buying a season collection of, say, House M.D., and only having to deal with six SD flash cards all stuck in one tray, instead of huge multiple-disc compilations.

FinsNCanes
01-15-2007, 06:19 PM
Can you reference this? That's such a random thing , people in IT always expect something to take longer to develop than it truly does because the market's like oh snap I want that!


I dunno. I've heard something like this as well. Supposedly it takes a hell of a lot longer to code games for the ps3 then 360. If this has anything with the cell processor..I'm not sure. I think it does though. This is why I'll probably wait a year to get the ps3.

Desides
01-15-2007, 06:24 PM
I dunno. I've heard something like this as well. Supposedly it takes a hell of a lot longer to code games for the ps3 then 360. If this has anything with the cell processor..I'm not sure. I think it does though. This is why I'll probably wait a year to get the ps3.

The PS3 is more difficult to code for than the 360, but it doesn't necessarily take longer. It's just that Microsoft, being a software company, has better development tools than Sony. That said, the PS3 is a dream to develop for compared to the PS2, and anyone who's worked on both will tell you that.

The consensus among developers seems to be that the PS3 is potentially more powerful, but that the 360 is easier to get immediate results from. Given that most people project this current crop of consoles to last more than the usual five year span (some people are predicting we'll have these consoles around for eight years before another generation), this means that the PS3 has a good shot at surpassing the 360 as time goes on and as Sony refines their development tools.

Dol-Fan Dupree
01-15-2007, 07:08 PM
The difference looks like HD DVD will have porn and Blu-Ray will not. Reading a few articles it does look like my initial reports that the porn industry was embracing Blu-Ray was true, however it looks like Sony does not like to learn from their mistakes and some porn giants are not able to find a blu ray factory to press their stuff.

This is a stupid stupid move. Will it be as bad a move as it was for Betamax, probably not as damaging due to the ease it takes in the modern world to get pornography. Also the fact that I am not exactly looking forward to high def porn. Looking at every hair on King Kong is awesome, I don't know about Jeanna Haze.

JPhinfan86
02-05-2007, 02:00 PM
yea dont think itll be the same as when porn industry decided to go vhs cause back then there was no other way to get porn. but now with internet..blue ray and hd-dvd will have to play for 2nd at best....cause i dont even think theyl beat dvd's.

I still prefer my porn in flipbook format. Sure it occupies an extra hand but I have a g/f for just that reason. :up: :rawk:

VanDolPhan
02-05-2007, 05:25 PM
And it's all moot because anyone stupid enough to buy either right now is going to end up with a box that can't play all the movies out there.

2 years down the line you'll see reasonably priced dual players and that'll kill the debate. It means either one can be used and it'll be no different to us then standard dvd's, dual layer dvd's are now. Heck there's already one dual player out there although it doesn't have all the neccessary HD-DVD support part of it down.