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mattgilm
01-11-2007, 11:12 PM
Brian Shottenheimer as their new head coach right away. I agree with CAPS on this one. This guy would be good for the Dolphins because of his fit the scheme for the players on the team mentality. This means that Chambers, MCmic, Welker,Vick and Hagen will be used in ways to play to their strengths. Our QB will have a playbook built around their strengths and abilities. The Running game will be utilized more also. I know that he will not be the OC but he will influence our new OC.
Mularkey needs to go far away from this team and we need to use Ronnie and Rickey to punish our opponents in 2007.
Please Hire Brian Schottenheimer for HC in 2007.:dolphins::dolphins::dolphins::dolphins:

kashbo
01-11-2007, 11:21 PM
Brian Shottenheimer as their new head coach right away. I agree with CAPS on this one. This guy would be good for the Dolphins because of his fit the scheme for the players on the team mentality. This means that Chambers, MCmic, Welker,Vick and Hagen will be used in ways to play to their strengths. Our QB will have a playbook built around their strengths and abilities. The Running game will be utilized more also. I know that he will not be the OC but he will influence our new OC.
Mularkey needs to go far away from this team and we need to use Ronnie and Rickey to punish our opponents in 2007.
Please Hire Brian Schottenheimer for HC in 2007.:dolphins::dolphins::dolphins::dolphins:

+1

Caps
01-11-2007, 11:25 PM
Hey you all know I'm down with this idea, I've only been pimping him since the day Saban left:lol:

+2, well said mattgilm.

Joneal7
01-11-2007, 11:32 PM
i wouldnt mind it quite honestly

FinFan_Est.1984
01-11-2007, 11:35 PM
1. Cam Cameron
2. Chan Gailey
3. Ken Wisenhunt
4. Brian Shotty

ac_lanham
01-11-2007, 11:36 PM
1. Cam Cameron
2. Chan Gailey
3. Ken Wisenhunt
4. Brian Shotty

You can't be serious about Chan Gailey...this guy would set our offense back even more

DolphinDynasty
01-11-2007, 11:37 PM
Hey you all know I'm down with this idea, I've only been pimping him since the day Saban left:lol:

+2, well said mattgilm.

Honestly, from reading and seeing this guy, I am actually 100% for hiring him. Its funny CAPS, because when I first saw that avatar, I thought it was a joke or something, I think most of us at Finheaven are now now seeing what you saw in young shotty. Good Call. Please Wayne, fresh start.

miami234ever
01-11-2007, 11:38 PM
What's all the hype about? I'm not against him, but I just don't get why he's ahead of all the other candidates like Cameron, Wisenhunt, and Rivera.

mattgilm
01-11-2007, 11:39 PM
1. Cam Cameron
2. Chan Gailey
3. Ken Wisenhunt
4. Brian Shotty

Brian
Cam
Ken
Chan
:dolphins::evil::dolphins:

m3116
01-11-2007, 11:40 PM
1. Cam Cameron
2. Chan Gailey
3. Ken Wisenhunt
4. Brian Shotty
That is a better position for him.

fincity
01-11-2007, 11:41 PM
well hopefully wayne will see what we are seeing in shotty...a fresh face and a long tenure as hc with miami

mattgilm
01-11-2007, 11:42 PM
What's all the hype about? I'm not against him, but I just don't get why he's ahead of all the other candidates like Cameron, Wisenhunt, and Rivera.

No real hype but this guy seems to be the real deal and he is smart and will bring some new excitement to the Dolphins IMO.:dolphins::evil::dolphins:

Dolfan_Noles
01-11-2007, 11:44 PM
I'm not as familiar with Schottenheimer as I would like to be. Anyone care to share some background? He's the only one of the candidates I'm not really familiar with, but everyone wants him.

bluehaze
01-11-2007, 11:44 PM
Cam Cameron
Ron Rivera
Ken Whisenhunt
Brian Schottenheimer
Mike Martz

fincity
01-11-2007, 11:51 PM
I'm not as familiar with Schottenheimer as I would like to be. Anyone care to share some background? He's the only one of the candidates I'm not really familiar with, but everyone wants him.
Brian Schottenheimer is the current offensive coordinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_coordinator) for the NFL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL)'s New York Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets). Brian replaced Mike Heimerdinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Heimerdinger), now the Assistant Head Coach on the Denver Broncos. Before becoming an offensive coordinator, he was the quarterback coach for the San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers). His father, Marty Schottenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer), is currently the head coach of the San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers) and his uncle, Kurt Schottenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schottenheimer), is the defensive backs coach for the Green Bay Packers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers).
He prepped at Blue Valley High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Valley_High_School) in Stilwell, Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stilwell%2C_Kansas), where he quarterbacked his team to the 1991 Kansas 5A state football championship as a senior while earning All-State first team and All-American honorable mention honors. He threw for 2,586 yards and 26 TDs in his career.
Brian played college football as a quarterback at Kansas University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_University) and then as backup to Danny Wuerffel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Wuerffel) at the University of Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida) from 1994-1996 gaining a National Championship in 1996 with the Florida Gators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators). He graduated from Florida with a bachelor's degree in sports management in 1997. During his career, he completed 25-of-38 passes (65.8%) for 290 yards and 2 touchdowns, and also ran for a TD.
Schottenheimer was an assistant coach with the USC Trojans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC_Trojans) in 2000 before becoming an assistant coach with the Chargers.

mattgilm
01-11-2007, 11:52 PM
Cam Cameron
Ron Rivera
Ken Whisenhunt
Brian Schottenheimer
Mike Martz

Cam and Ron are good coaches and Ken will be Steelers HC. Martz is a good OC but not as HC. Brian Schottenheimer is a longshot in many peoples eyes but IMO he is the best suited new coach for the FINS.:dolphins:

Caps
01-11-2007, 11:53 PM
I'm not as familiar with Schottenheimer as I would like to be. Anyone care to share some background? He's the only one of the candidates I'm not really familiar with, but everyone wants him.
Read this article bro, it's tells you pretty much all you need to know abut him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/sports/football/11jets.html

CitizenSnips
01-12-2007, 12:03 AM
I still want Cam Cameron. If not Cameron, then Whisenhunt.

Although personally i feel Pete Carrolls the man Wayne wants.

Slappy8800
01-12-2007, 12:07 AM
please no...just....no

malzj
01-12-2007, 12:10 AM
Hey guys, can I jump on the Brian S. wagon??

FinFan_Est.1984
01-12-2007, 12:10 AM
Read this article bro, it's tells you pretty much all you need to know abut him.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/sports/football/11jets.html

Impressive article Caps!

Dolfan73
01-12-2007, 12:11 AM
My choice, is Brian. He does not have a "system". He adapts his playbook to suit the personnel. We need a fresh face. Someone who is flexible, adaptable.

dolFAN27
01-12-2007, 12:12 AM
i don't care, as long as we win.

fishfan34
01-12-2007, 12:23 AM
I was and still am a Cam Cameron guy, but I wouldn't not be unhappy with Shotty. My neighbor is a huge Jets fan and he was very pleasently surprised with the ability of Shotty to mold that offense the way he did this season. I wouldn't be upset with him. count me in

Slappy8800
01-12-2007, 12:26 AM
didnt the jets have the 25th ranked offense?

FINdestructible
01-12-2007, 12:36 AM
Although personally i feel Pete Carrolls the man Wayne wants.

I have that exact same feeling. :boohoo::mad:

Caps
01-12-2007, 12:37 AM
didnt the jets have the 25th ranked offense?

They have the 18th ranked scoring offense, 20th ranked rushing offense, 17th ranked passing offense, 16th ranked 1st down passing offense, 16th ranked yards per play.

This is all with Noodle-armed Pennington(who Mangini has admitted they are trying to get rid of, that tells you what his own organization thinks of him) at QB, an o-line made of weak vets and rookies, a RB by committee system with the likes of Washington and Barlow headlining(yuck), absolutely NO TE's to speak of, and average WR's.

That is damn impressive in my book.

mattgilm
01-12-2007, 12:37 AM
[quote=Slappy8800;1061683511]didnt the jets have the 25th ranked offense?[/quote/]

Slappy, You can tune a piano but you can't tune (TUNA) a fish(Dolphin).:dolphins:

ojmcduffy
01-12-2007, 12:49 AM
he seems like a good hire but we prolly getting pete carrol. in todays coaching world when a coach says im staying it means hes leaving

DolphanD
01-12-2007, 02:31 AM
If we get Pete Carroll we are destroying ourselves.

TexanPhinatic
01-12-2007, 02:50 AM
If we get Pete Carroll we are destroying ourselves.

Amen, although the rumors about him have really died off, unlike those Saban/Bama ones-hopefully this means Pete is staying put!



My choice, is Brian. He does not have a "system". He adapts his playbook to suit the personnel. We need a fresh face. Someone who is flexible, adaptable.

This is one of the things I like about him. I hate hearing about "system this and that west coast offense blah blah." Design your offense around what you have and dont try and force players into being things they are not. Just so long as he doesnt have Martys "choke hold" on the playoffs lol :lol:
I also like that hes a younger guy, thats really starting to appeal to me. Out of the offensive guys, he and Wisenhunt stand out, as well as Caldwell from Indy though he hasnt been interviewed.

gunn34
01-12-2007, 09:05 AM
Brian doesn't impress me. Let him be an OZ for a few years first and see what he does with some of his own picks.

I'd rather have Cam or Martz.

Dredd1050
01-12-2007, 09:15 AM
B Shot:

young- CHECK
hungry- CHECK
coached a winner with little talent- CHECK

I like this guy.

retarmyfinfan
01-12-2007, 09:49 AM
1. Cam Cameron
2. Chan Gailey
3. Ken Wisenhunt
4. Brian Shotty

Chan Gailey? Are you kidding me?

BLITZKRIEG
01-12-2007, 09:56 AM
I really like B. Shottenhiemer, but in all honesty, I think he's pretty much a longshot at being hired for the head coaching vacancy. It's a shame because in another year or two, this kid could become a highly sought after head coach....

My list....

1. Cameron
2. Shottenhiemer
3. Tomlin
4. Rivera
5. Whisenhunt

I think as long as we keep R. Mueller involved, and allow him to do his job, any one of these coaches listed above would be a solid choice....

The fact that we're not going to be giving any of them "the key's to the kingdom", is a step in the right direction as apposed to how things were run in Miami when Saban was in-charge. That alone should help the new head coach{whoever it is}, focus on the team / coaching, instead of all the outside organizational garbage that comes along with being GM....

PHINZ RULE!!!

FinFan_Est.1984
01-12-2007, 10:25 AM
Chan Gailey? Are you kidding me?

No I sure am not sir. Are you?? :wink:

bigmiamifan
01-12-2007, 10:48 AM
This means that Chambers, MCmic, Welker,Vick and Hagen will be used in ways to play to their strengths. Our QB will have a playbook built around their strengths and abilities.

I agree with Shotty, I like him.

As for utilizing our players' strengths, so Chambers would get to make 1 ESPN hi-light diving catch a game while dropping 2 3rd downs. McMike would get to drop at least 4 passes a game and never have to block. Welker would catch 5 catches over the middle, drilled into the floor each time while holding onto the ball and Vick would get as many chances as he can to stay off the practice squad.

Sorry, but we won't go anywhere if these guys are as good as we can get. The new HC needs to draft well and do well in FA, because we suck on offense, and it's just not from play calling.

Finole
01-12-2007, 02:56 PM
Hey you all know I'm down with this idea, I've only been pimping him since the day Saban left:lol:

Good call. I gotta admit, when I first saw your avatar, I was like, "Oh, great, look at this idiot...doesn't know what the hell he's talking about..." Now it looks like Brian Shottenhiemer will get a second interview with the Fins. So I guess I was the idiot.

I really like the idea of Brian Shottenhiemer as our head coach. A young guy with ambition and a clean slate. And I like that he adapts to his talent rather than forcing his players into a system. That's how Shula worked, too. And that was the one thing that bothered me about Saban, but it seems to work for Belichick, so I went with it.

The other thing I like about Shottenhiemer is that he seems likely to draft a left tackle (after this experience with the Jets) which I think the Fins desperately need to be successful on offense.

Not crazy about the fact that he was Gator, but it won't bother me in the least if Shottenhiemer leads the Fins to a Super Bowl victory.

PhinsRock
01-12-2007, 03:22 PM
Brian Schottenheimer is the current offensive coordinator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offensive_coordinator) for the NFL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL)'s New York Jets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets). Brian replaced Mike Heimerdinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Heimerdinger), now the Assistant Head Coach on the Denver Broncos. Before becoming an offensive coordinator, he was the quarterback coach for the San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers). His father, Marty Schottenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer), is currently the head coach of the San Diego Chargers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_Chargers) and his uncle, Kurt Schottenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schottenheimer), is the defensive backs coach for the Green Bay Packers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers).
He prepped at Blue Valley High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Valley_High_School) in Stilwell, Kansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stilwell%2C_Kansas), where he quarterbacked his team to the 1991 Kansas 5A state football championship as a senior while earning All-State first team and All-American honorable mention honors. He threw for 2,586 yards and 26 TDs in his career.
Brian played college football as a quarterback at Kansas University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_University) and then as backup to Danny Wuerffel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Wuerffel) at the University of Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Florida) from 1994-1996 gaining a National Championship in 1996 with the Florida Gators (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Gators). He graduated from Florida with a bachelor's degree in sports management in 1997. During his career, he completed 25-of-38 passes (65.8%) for 290 yards and 2 touchdowns, and also ran for a TD.
Schottenheimer was an assistant coach with the USC Trojans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC_Trojans) in 2000 before becoming an assistant coach with the Chargers.

Good stuff, nice research, thanks! I would love to have this guy as our new HC.

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 03:34 PM
It would be a bit ballsy to hire a 33-year-old HC, but sometimes, you just have to take chances to get success.

W/ Mueller (hopefully) calling the personel shots, this could work.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Gruden like 35 when he became coach of the Raiders. He didn't turn out so bad, did he.

And it's not like Brian hasn't p/u a thing or two from his dad over the years.

It could be a big risk, but I'm ready for it!!

jetfan4hire
01-12-2007, 03:35 PM
The funny thing is that if you guys hire BS, Manginius will already have his own coaching tree after 1 season. You guys suck just face it, hire another loser HC, and leave our staff alone

Myles Fynch
01-12-2007, 03:39 PM
Brian doesn't impress me. Let him be an OZ for a few years first and see what he does with some of his own picks.

I'd rather have Cam or Martz.

The thing with that is, up and coming coordinators are like left tackles in the draft... if you want one, you probably have to take him earlier than you'd like to avoid being shut out. But when you pull the trigger you better not miss.

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 03:41 PM
The funny thing is that if you guys hire BS, Manginius will already have his own coaching tree after 1 season. You guys suck just face it, hire another loser HC, and leave our staff aloneDude, Micky D's is hiring!! Aparently, you're for hire, so go for it!!

You can do it!!!!

Type-O
01-12-2007, 03:42 PM
At 33 years old and bright future ahead in the NFL,i'd stay far away from the Miami Dolphins

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 03:44 PM
At 33 years old and bright future ahead in the NFL,i'd stay far away from the Miami Dolphins
Yeah, cause - you know - the Jets have such a fine, winning history :sidelol:

You guys are just afraid that you'll lose the one guy that can still make Chad look good!

Type-O
01-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Yeah, cause - you know - the Jets have such a fine, winning history :sidelol:

You guys are just afraid that you'll lose the one guy that can still make Chad look good!
Your team is destined for the toilet for atleast the next 2 years,i don't think BS wants to be the guy to come in with a broom and dustpan.
As far as our winning history-It is pretty good vs Miami:lol: :cooldude:

hestar
01-12-2007, 04:17 PM
My gut tells me it's gonna be pete carrol.But I would really Would love Brian to be the next head coach..Bring him in for a 2nd interview already!!!!

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 04:22 PM
Your team is destined for the toilet for atleast the next 2 years,i don't think BS wants to be the guy to come in with a broom and dustpan.
As far as our winning history-It is pretty good vs Miami:lol: :cooldude:
Your team was destined for the toilet back in August. As the NFL has shown, predicting any team in the toilet is pointless. Your logic is flawed there.

And - dude - there are only 32 such jobs on the planet. People kill to have them, including a 33-year-old who I'm sure would jump at the chance. Your logic is flawed there as well.

You have - what - a four/five game lead on us historically over like 40 some-odd years? Woo hoo, break out the ole champagne.

And dude, look at the all-time records. Maybe the Jets didn't get the memo, but they have 14 other games on the schedule each season that they have to show up for.

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 04:44 PM
Hey...Jet fan here...and I'm not going to blindly bash the Phins for the hell of it...just offering my opinion...

To me...Brian Schottenheimer is a little young and inexperienced to be a Head Coach. Now, that sounds kind of ridiculous coming from a team who gave a one year defensive coordinator the head coaching job...but I'm serious...ha. To me, here's the difference. Mangini earned his way up, he started coaching a semi-pro team in Australia while going to school there. Decided he liked it so much he came back to the US and got a job as a towel boy for the Browns, and worked his way up. He than went on to become an assistant for the Jets and than the Patriots...and before long was a head coach. Most of you guys probably know this story.

But Schottenheimer, he's the son of an NFL head coach...so despite what he has accomplised you can't hide the fact he's been a little privileged. His last name carried him further and faster than he maybe should have. Now it's impossible to take away from what he's done as an offensive coordinator...but here's the difference. Mangini learned with and from some of the best ever...Belicheck...Parcells...Kirk Ferentz...Saban. Shottenheimer only has daddy Marty and Mangini thus far. And Mangini is still figuring this out...so can he really be considered a teacher already?

Also, someone on here posted dissing basically every Jet offensive player. Can we be serious here for a second? "Average WR's"...Coles and Cotchery are pretty damn good...McCariens, Dwight, and Brad Smith are great 3rd and 4th options...so lay off them...that's uneducated criticism.

Bashing Chad Pennington? Part of Schott's success...a big part...has been having Chad Pennington. You can knock his arm all you want...but Chad is an incredibely smart guy. And the way Schott has run this offense you need a Rhodes scholar (something Chad was a candidate for) to run it. If Schotty didn't have Pennington, I bet you we woudn't be discussing him as a head coach.

Bad RB's? Come on...Barlow blows...but Leon Washington is sick. He's a role player...but you cannot take away what he can do in the open field. He might be one of the best in the league in the open field. Anyone remember what he did in the last game against the Dolphins? haha


At any rate...I think B Schott may make a good head coach one day...but hiring him now is probably a little premature. When you've got guys like Cam Cameron and Ron Rivera...who are long overdue and well seasoned for a head coaching position...how can you really go after Schott?

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 04:50 PM
At any rate...I think B Schott may make a good head coach one day...but hiring him now is probably a little premature. When you've got guys like Cam Cameron and Ron Rivera...who are long overdue and well seasoned for a head coaching position...how can you really go after Schott?Frankly, I don't see H. Wayne hiring him for that reason - he's young, and there are other candidates.

But we Dolfans are sick of the status quo and we've received nothing but false hope from our last three coaches. Going the way of "B Schott" is something refreshing.

And I like the fact that Marty is his Dad. Marty is close with Shula too, so perhaps Shula can give H.Wayne a little insight there.

I'm all for it, myself, but I'm just a fan so what do I know!

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 04:53 PM
Bashing Chad Pennington? Part of Schott's success...a big part...has been having Chad Pennington. So much so that your HC has all but taken the job away from Chad for '07 based on recent comments ...

Not talkin' trash here, it's just the fact.

If Chad was so good, why even open the competition. And I don't buy that it's just a general practice to keep things fresh. It's obvious Mangini isn't totally satisfied w/ Chad and will give Kellon Clemons (sp?) every shot to earn the job next year.

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 04:58 PM
So much so that your HC has all but taken the job away from Chad for '07 based on recent comments ...

Not talkin' trash here, it's just the fact.

If Chad was so good, why even open the competition. And I don't buy that it's just a general practice to keep things fresh. It's obvious Mangini isn't totally satisfied w/ Chad and will give Kellon Clemons (sp?) every shot to earn the job next year.

Yeah of course he'll give Clemens every shot to win the job...I hope Clemens does. Chad's limitations are obvious. His arm isn't that strong...for both deep balls and out routes...and he can't bullet it into a spot. We all know that. I don't think anyone thinks or expects him to start past '07....if even '07. I personally expect Chad to start the '07 season and depending on how the season is going Clemens will take over half way through.

But, where did you hear or read Mangini bashing Chad and taking away his job? I haven't seen anything of the sort. It's a basic fundamental of Mangini's philosiphy. Nothing is guranteed...you work for it...if you earn it you get it. I think it's great...it's what has allowed guys like Cotchery and Rhodes to step up and earn jobs. There is nothing wrong with competition...it only makes competitors like Chad strive to be even better. We can bash his arm all day...but you can never discount Chad's smarts, work ethic, and will to make it happen.

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 05:04 PM
Yeah of course he'll give Clemens every shot to win the job...I hope Clemens does. Chad's limitations are obvious. His arm isn't that strong...for both deep balls and out routes...and he can't bullet it into a spot. We all know that. I don't think anyone thinks or expects him to start past '07....if even '07. I personally expect Chad to start the '07 season and depending on how the season is going Clemens will take over half way through.

But, where did you hear or read Mangini bashing Chad and taking away his job? I haven't seen anything of the sort. It's a basic fundamental of Mangini's philosiphy. Nothing is guranteed...you work for it...if you earn it you get it. I think it's great...it's what has allowed guys like Cotchery and Rhodes to step up and earn jobs. There is nothing wrong with competition...it only makes competitors like Chad strive to be even better. We can bash his arm all day...but you can never discount Chad's smarts, work ethic, and will to make it happen.Didn't say Mangini "bashed" him, I said he "has all but taken the job away."

I agree competition is good for the most part, but you try to have continuity at QB whenever possible. Competition for QB is often very bad!! If you have two QBs, you don't have one!!! If you are happy w/ your QB, you don't do something like this to upset the apple cart just for fun or as part of some philosophy. If so, it's a flawed philosophy.

You were singin' the praises of old Chad - I just thought it was funny that your HC doesn't seem to share the same view as you, that's all. More to the point, you made it sound like Chad made Shottenheimer rather than the other way around. To the contrary, I think Shott played to Chad's few strengths to make him appear to be a better player than he is. That's what good coaches do!!

So to answer your other question why we like him so much ... there you go.

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 05:08 PM
Didn't say Mangini "bashed" him, I said he "has all but taken the job away."

I agree competition is good for the most part, but you try to have continuity at QB whenever possible. Competition for QB is often very bad!! If you have two QBs, you don't have one!!! If you are happy w/ your QB, you don't do something like this to upset the apple cart just for fun or as part of some philosophy. If so, it's a flawed philosophy.

You were singin' the praises of old Chad - I just thought it was funny that your HC doesn't seem to share the same view as you, that's all. More to the point, you made it sound like Chad made Shottenheimer rather than the other way around. To the contrary, I think Shott played to Chad's few strengths to make him appear to be a better player than he is. That's what good coaches do!!

So to answer your other question why we like him so much ... there you go.

Fair enough...but out of curiosity...where did you see this about Mangini saying whatever he said about Chad?

Also...I'm not at all saying Chad is a great QB...I'm simply defending him because so many are so quick to jump on him and say he is awful...and I just don't see it.

As far as the QB competition. The system may be flawed, but it's what Mangini is doing...he may learn it was a bad idea. Mangini also may be doing because he realizes Chad isn't the QB of the future and wants Clemens to realize he has a shot and play as hard as he can to get that shot. There is no annointing of positions on Mangini's team...like I said...you have to earn the position to get the position.

GreenMachine
01-12-2007, 05:09 PM
So much so that your HC has all but taken the job away from Chad for '07 based on recent comments ...

Not talkin' trash here, it's just the fact.

If Chad was so good, why even open the competition. And I don't buy that it's just a general practice to keep things fresh. It's obvious Mangini isn't totally satisfied w/ Chad and will give Kellon Clemons (sp?) every shot to earn the job next year.

Maybe if Saban had the same "open competition" in camp The Fins would have been better. As you all know Daunte was the key to the Super bowl...

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 05:13 PM
Fair enough...but out of curiosity...where did you see this about Mangini saying whatever he said about Chad?

Also...I'm not at all saying Chad is a great QB...I'm simply defending him because so many are so quick to jump on him and say he is awful...and I just don't see it.

As far as the QB competition. The system may be flawed, but it's what Mangini is doing...he may learn it was a bad idea. Mangini also may be doing because he realizes Chad isn't the QB of the future and wants Clemens to realize he has a shot and play as hard as he can to get that shot. There is no annointing of positions on Mangini's team...like I said...you have to earn the position to get the position.Just going by what he said yesterday in opening up the competition. OK, maybe I took it further to mean he isn't happy w/ Chad's play. Quite frankly - as you may have guessed - that is my opinion.

If you read here long enough, you'll see us saying Tom Brady is awful too :lol:

Beleive me, I wish we had a guy like Mangini as our coach. I just think this is a recipe for short-term disaster when - you would think - he'd be trying to build off your '06 success. Why would he do that unless he really isn't happy w/ Chad (see my point above). That action speaks louder than any words.

You tell me - you really think Clemens would come in next year (at the start, or sometime down the line) - and lead your team to greatness? By greatness, I mean at least further than you went this year?

I'm guessing any chance you have for advancing further would start and end w/ Chad at QB. Especially if you can further develop the running game.

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 05:16 PM
Maybe if Saban had the same "open competition" in camp The Fins would have been better. As you all know Daunte was the key to the Super bowl...Daunte was hurt. Satan was apparently too stubborn or stupid to realize that. Let's see what he does in '07 (if given the chance) before passing final judgement.

Point is, you don't open up competititin - AT THE QB POSITION - if you are already happy w/ what you have. I was under the impression Jet fans were in love w/ Chad as Mike Greenburgh is on ESPN radio??

When you are happy w/ your QB, you concentrate elsewhere to build around him. Can you imagine Shula going to ole Danny boy and saying ...

"Hey Danny ... I know you had a pretty decent year last year, Pro Bowl and what not. But we're going to give this guy Secules a shot at your job, K!"

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 05:19 PM
Just going by what he said yesterday in opening up the competition. OK, maybe I took it further to mean he isn't happy w/ Chad's play. Quite frankly - as you may have guessed - that is my opinion.

If you read here long enough, you'll see us saying Tom Brady is awful too :lol:

Beleive me, I wish we had a guy like Mangini as our coach. I just think this is a recipe for short-term disaster when - you would think - he'd be trying to build off your '06 success. Why would he do that unless he really isn't happy w/ Chad (see my point above). That action speaks louder than any words.

You tell me - you really think Clemens would come in next year (at the start, or sometime down the line) - and lead your team to greatness? By greatness, I mean at least further than you went this year?

I'm guessing any chance you have for advancing further would start and end w/ Chad at QB. Especially if you can further develop the running game.

Fair assessment...I would tend to agree. I think Mangini maybe is torn. He knows Chad gives them the best shot right now to win. But he also knows Chad has been wildly inconsistent and a bit of a liability with his weak arm.

Frankly, I think it comes down to Mangini wants Clemens to play...but isn't about to hand him the job. We all want shortcuts in this world...but I think what Mangini learned while going from towel boy to head coach (that still amazes me) is that not having shortcuts force you to work harder and compete more...and in the process become ten times better at what you do.

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 05:21 PM
Daunte was hurt. Satan was apparently
"Hey Danny ... I know you had a pretty decent year last year, Pro Bowl and what not. But we're going to give this guy Secules a shot at your job, K!"

The difference is...and we all know this...Chad isn't half the QB Marino was. Chad has been inconsistent and his weak arm can hold us back at times. That's the reason for the open camp. If we had Marino up here...I'm willing to bet there wouldn't be an open competition.

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 05:23 PM
The difference is...and we all know this...Chad isn't half the QB Marino was. Chad has been inconsistent and his weak arm can hold us back at times. That's the reason for the open camp. If we had Marino up here...I'm willing to bet there wouldn't be an open competition.True, that was unfair of me I guess :wink:

Hey, we'll see, then. I guessing Mangini knows more than I do about this thing!

adamprez2003
01-12-2007, 05:25 PM
Question:If we offer Brian Scotytenheimer the title of Assistant Head Coach/ Offensive Coordinator is that considered a move up that would allow him to come here or is that still a lateral move which would prevent him from moving?

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 05:27 PM
True, that was unfair of me I guess :wink:

Hey, we'll see, then. I guessing Mangini knows more than I do about this thing!

Your avatar tends to make me think that...haha!

PS - Get the ball to Welker....he's your best reciever...

DolfanTom
01-12-2007, 05:28 PM
Your avatar tends to make me think that...haha!

PS - Get the ball to Welker....he's your best reciever...Yeah. Word of advice - don't make a bet when Joey Harrington is your QB!!

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 05:28 PM
Question:If we offer Brian Scotytenheimer the title of Assistant Head Coach/ Offensive Coordinator is that considered a move up that would allow him to come here or is that still a lateral move which would prevent him from moving?

I don't mean to diss the Dolphins...but if you were Schottenheimer would you do that? I don't think so...

adamprez2003
01-12-2007, 05:35 PM
I don't mean to diss the Dolphins...but if you were Schottenheimer would you do that? I don't think so...

Why not? Its a leg closer to head coach next year or the one after that. Plus you get distance from Mangini and prove you can accomplish good things outside of the Jets

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 05:56 PM
Why not? Its a leg closer to head coach next year or the one after that. Plus you get distance from Mangini and prove you can accomplish good things outside of the Jets

How is it any closer to head coach job...if Schott is only going to be the offensive coordinator again...that means Miami is going to hire a new head coach. Which means the new head coach will hopefully be there for a while. So Schott wouldn't have a chance to be the Miami head coach.

He might as well stay in New York where he is having success and can hopefully get a head coach gig next year or the year after that. He's already being considered for head coach jobs so I don't think he needs to distance himself form Mangini. And you say he could distance himself form Mangini and prove outside of the Jets...what if he comes to Miami and fails? Than he essentially lost all ability for a head coaching job and has to start all over again.

Schott is definitely better off staying where he is...unless he gets a head coach offer. The idea he would leave for the same job elsewhere is kind of ridiculous when he's been incredibely successful with the Jets.

GreenMachine
01-12-2007, 06:13 PM
Why not? Its a leg closer to head coach next year or the one after that. Plus you get distance from Mangini and prove you can accomplish good things outside of the Jets

Distance from Mangini?


BTW, I remember alot of you taking shots at the Jets for hiring a young HC with little experience, and now it's great because it is the Phins??




I really don't think that this is a smart move. Mangini needs more time as a DC to get in hang of things, but the Jets made a do or die move with him. I really don't know if he is ready to control a whole team and rebuild a team. Don't be expecting to go to the playoffs anytime soon Jet fans.



Mangini has never been a head coach. He is not automatic just because he is a Bellicheck desciple. He is no Nick Saban. It does tell me that the Jets are trying to copy us.



I am not really afraid of this signing one bit. He only has one year of being an NFL coordinator and that is it. Plus, 35 years old? I think this was a bad move for the Jets, but a good move for the rest of the East.


What a mistake

adamprez2003
01-12-2007, 06:45 PM
If Schottenheimer has confidence in his abilities he wouldnt worry about failing in Miami. If he succeeded he would almost certainly vault himself into head coaching consideration next year. Miami sitting with a 9 is in better shape to draft a Brian Brohm than the Jets are and another year of Pennington running that offense could derail the momentum he's been able to garner. Add the fact that Wayne would almsot surely outspend the Jets to bring him on board and the only question that remains is would Assistant Head Coach warrant a move up or would that be considered a lateral move by the NFL.

He's too much of a gamble for head coach this year in all likelihood but if we could screw the Jets by using the Assistant Head coach designation plus an added infusion into his bank account he could be ours

oodolphins
01-12-2007, 06:52 PM
Brian Shottenheimer as their new head coach right away. I agree with CAPS on this one. This guy would be good for the Dolphins because of his fit the scheme for the players on the team mentality. This means that Chambers, MCmic, Welker,Vick and Hagen will be used in ways to play to their strengths. Our QB will have a playbook built around their strengths and abilities. The Running game will be utilized more also. I know that he will not be the OC but he will influence our new OC.
Mularkey needs to go far away from this team and we need to use Ronnie and Rickey to punish our opponents in 2007.
Please Hire Brian Schottenheimer for HC in 2007.:dolphins::dolphins::dolphins::dolphins:


I agree. I don't know what it is, but I have a feeling Brian Shottenheimer would be a great fit for "our" team. :D

Mbs3009
01-12-2007, 06:57 PM
I actually had a dream last night that we had hired him...lol. Very bizarre

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 07:52 PM
If Schottenheimer has confidence in his abilities he wouldnt worry about failing in Miami. If he succeeded he would almost certainly vault himself into head coaching consideration next year. Miami sitting with a 9 is in better shape to draft a Brian Brohm than the Jets are and another year of Pennington running that offense could derail the momentum he's been able to garner. Add the fact that Wayne would almsot surely outspend the Jets to bring him on board and the only question that remains is would Assistant Head Coach warrant a move up or would that be considered a lateral move by the NFL.

He's too much of a gamble for head coach this year in all likelihood but if we could screw the Jets by using the Assistant Head coach designation plus an added infusion into his bank account he could be ours

Yeah but why!? Why risk all that...why make the change? Why start over when you've already got something good going on and you're well on your way to a head coaching job?

He may have confidence in his abilities...but a lot of your success is out of you control. He can be a great coordinator...but if his head coach limits him in some way...or if his QB blows or gets injured...any number of things can affect his success. It would truely be a dumb move for Schott...and I personally gurantee that won't happen.

Who cares that you have the number 9 pick...Brian Brohm hasn't even declared yet. And Schott drafted his guy last year and already has had a year to work with him. He's called Kellen Clemens.

Again, I'm not trying to put down the Dolphins in any way, it just simply doesn't make sense to switch teams mid way through. To put it clearly...

...BRIAN IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR HEAD COACHING JOBS AFTER ONE YEAR IN HIS CURRENT JOB FOR THE NEW YORK JETS. IF HE DOENS'T GET A HEAD COACHING POSITION THIS YEAR...CHANCES ARE HE WILL ONLY BE A BIGGER HEAD COACHING PROSPECT NEXT YEAR. WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE A GOOD SITUATION FOR THE SAME JOB IN AN UNKNOWN SITUATION?

Caps
01-12-2007, 07:54 PM
He's better off staying where he's at if we want him to make a lateral move. He comes here as HC or not at all.

adamprez2003
01-12-2007, 08:26 PM
Yeah but why!? Why risk all that...why make the change? Why start over when you've already got something good going on and you're well on your way to a head coaching job?

He may have confidence in his abilities...but a lot of your success is out of you control. He can be a great coordinator...but if his head coach limits him in some way...or if his QB blows or gets injured...any number of things can affect his success. It would truely be a dumb move for Schott...and I personally gurantee that won't happen.

Who cares that you have the number 9 pick...Brian Brohm hasn't even declared yet. And Schott drafted his guy last year and already has had a year to work with him. He's called Kellen Clemens.

Again, I'm not trying to put down the Dolphins in any way, it just simply doesn't make sense to switch teams mid way through. To put it clearly...

...BRIAN IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR HEAD COACHING JOBS AFTER ONE YEAR IN HIS CURRENT JOB FOR THE NEW YORK JETS. IF HE DOENS'T GET A HEAD COACHING POSITION THIS YEAR...CHANCES ARE HE WILL ONLY BE A BIGGER HEAD COACHING PROSPECT NEXT YEAR. WHY WOULD YOU LEAVE A GOOD SITUATION FOR THE SAME JOB IN AN UNKNOWN SITUATION?

CASH, MONEY, DINERO

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 09:02 PM
CASH, MONEY, DINERO

Yeah...and the cash, money, and dinero is biggest when you have a head coaching position. And staying with his current team is the best way to get that head coaching position.

adamprez2003
01-12-2007, 09:48 PM
Yeah...and the cash, money, and dinero is biggest when you have a head coaching position. And staying with his current team is the best way to get that head coaching position.

How much you guys paying him to coach in Giants stadium?

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 10:08 PM
How much you guys paying him to coach in Giants stadium?

I don't think you understand what I'm saying...it's not about what he'd get paid to be the offensive coordinator for Miami as opposed to New York. Sure Miami could pay him more...whatever...fact is his goal is to get a head coaching job. And from your point of view...a head coaching position will pay him a whole hell of a lot more money than any coordinator spot.

So still...the best way for him to get a head coaching position is to stay in a successful situation and likely get real head coach consideration in the next year or two.

This whole argument is rather bunk...there is no way nor any logical reason why Schott would leave New York to have the same job in Miami...guranteed...

adamprez2003
01-12-2007, 10:17 PM
I don't think you understand what I'm saying...it's not about what he'd get paid to be the offensive coordinator for Miami as opposed to New York. Sure Miami could pay him more...whatever...fact is his goal is to get a head coaching job. And from your point of view...a head coaching position will pay him a whole hell of a lot more money than any coordinator spot.

So still...the best way for him to get a head coaching position is to stay in a successful situation and likely get real head coach consideration in the next year or two.

This whole argument is rather bunk...there is no way nor any logical reason why Schott would leave New York to have the same job in Miami...guranteed...

I dont think you get what I'm saying. I'm saying you dont know what you're talking about. You may think the Jets situation is rosy but if they backslide his rep will take a hit. Coming to Miami he only has to be better than Mularkey. Let's just say the bar isnt set too high. Add the fact you get to absorb another coaches defensive philosophy to round your coaching knowledge out and its win, win. Money talks , Bull**** walks.

Not saying its a done deal. He's a longshot to come here but if Wayne wants him and we can get around the lateral move part he's ours

HurricaneJet7
01-12-2007, 10:33 PM
I dont think you get what I'm saying. I'm saying you dont know what you're talking about. You may think the Jets situation is rosy but if they backslide his rep will take a hit. Coming to Miami he only has to be better than Mularkey. Let's just say the bar isnt set too high. Add the fact you get to absorb another coaches defensive philosophy to round your coaching knowledge out and its win, win. Money talks , Bull**** walks.

Not saying its a done deal. He's a longshot to come here but if Wayne wants him and we can get around the lateral move part he's ours

Yeah...if they backslide...if...IF. No one can predict the "If"s. Based on what is going on right now the Jets are a better situation. Flat out...that has nothing to do with me being a Jet fan because I'm a pretty reasonable guy. But yu can't argue that the Jets appear to be a better job.

He was and is successful on that team, with those players. The jets made the playoffs...they're on an upswing...and have a promising future.

The Dolphins haven't made the playoffs in five years...have a messy QB situation...and just lost their head coach.

Now...putting biases aside...which one do you choose? Again...it's not to say next year the Jets won't be 6-10 and the Dolphins 12-4 and deep into the playoffs. But right now...the Jets most certainly look like a better situation for him.

Coral Reefer
01-12-2007, 11:11 PM
and if Huzinga was stupid enough to offer him the job, I do not even think he would take it. He was just getting an interview under his belt nothing more.


:lol:

You are full of it.

I don't know if we'll consider hiring him or not but your comment that he'd pass up a Head Coaching gig to stay with the Puke Green is HYSTERICAL.

He'd take the HC job if offered.

Mike13
01-13-2007, 01:08 AM
He has very little experience, I'll pass.

abyzmul
01-13-2007, 11:20 PM
Why not? Its a leg closer to head coach next year or the one after that. Plus you get distance from Mangini and prove you can accomplish good things outside of the Jets
No, actually, it's not closer. The AHC duties do not change the fact that he is an Offensive Coordinator, and going from one OC job to another while under contract with a team is considered a lateral move and not allowed by the league. Which is why you don't see the Dolphins bringing him in to interview for the OC job.

Mike13
01-14-2007, 12:39 AM
Supposedly he's a finalist, if he doesn' get the HC job I wouldn't mind if he came over here as our OC.

DolfanTom
01-14-2007, 10:13 AM
W/ Capers back for sure now, Schott makes even more sense. He can concentrate on running the show, while knowing the defense is in capable hands. He can then turn some attention to fixing the offense.

That said, if this dude gets the job at age 33, I immediately have to reevaulate my life goals and get moving!! I thought I was doing well for being 33 but ...

Mike13
01-14-2007, 01:55 PM
W/ Capers back for sure now, Schott makes even more sense. He can concentrate on running the show, while knowing the defense is in capable hands. He can then turn some attention to fixing the offense.

That said, if this dude gets the job at age 33, I immediately have to reevaulate my life goals and get moving!! I thought I was doing well for being 33 but ...

Hmm I hear that the Raiders need a coach.

abyzmul
01-14-2007, 05:09 PM
Supposedly he's a finalist, if he doesn' get the HC job I wouldn't mind if he came over here as our OC.
He can't come over as your OC. He is already under contract as an OC. That's it, he's either your new HC or he's the guy your wished was your HC.