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FinsNYanksFan13
01-17-2007, 02:54 PM
WOW!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2733891

NJFINSFAN1
01-17-2007, 02:57 PM
Seems to me like Golden State got the better of the deal at first look.

tucker
01-17-2007, 02:57 PM
eh

Section126
01-17-2007, 03:35 PM
And the Heat get a free win!

Thanks Indiana.

BTW...this is a horrific deal for the Pacers...

Amars
01-17-2007, 03:56 PM
what kinda deal is that. Great now GS is gonna get better in the West.

Samphin
01-17-2007, 03:58 PM
I don't think it is a horrific deal, but I really don't see how this makes either team better. The Warriors are still behind the Lakers and Suns in their division, let alone the Mavericks, Rockets, Spurs and Jazz and probably the Kings.

The Pacers weren't going anywhere either, and I doubt Dunleavy and the oft-injured Murphy are going to help. Just shuffling players for the sake of it in my opinion.

Roman529
01-17-2007, 04:21 PM
This trade is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titantic....the ships are still going to go down. :wink:

Ferretsquig
01-17-2007, 04:30 PM
Nice. Nelson dumps the slow trash that can't play in the post and gets two matchup nightmares to play with. What a deal.

Alex44
01-17-2007, 04:44 PM
I dont blame them, what they had wasnt working...so might as well try and shake things up a little.

Fresh
01-17-2007, 05:24 PM
Terrible deal for Indiana, fantastic deal for Golden State.

Finally got rid of Dunleavy, who nobody up there cares for. He's their Antoine Walker.

This is an EXCELLENT deal for Golden State.....btw, Murphy sucks too.

ChambersWI
01-17-2007, 05:34 PM
I like the trade for both teams, and here's why.

Indy has been trying to get rid of Jackson for 2 years now, and he's been nothing but a distraction for them. He, along with Sarunus, do nothing but chuck 3 pointers. Plus, the rumor was that O'Neal and Jackson hated each other.

The Pacers went after Harrington because of his friendship with O'Neal, and the success he had coming off the bench in Indy. The problem during the season became evident though; The 2 do not compliment each other well for long stretches. The Pacers are were at their best this year when O'Neal, or Harrington played with the 2nd unit instead of each other.

Mike Dunleavey needed a change of scenary, he's not a bad player by any means, but he got so much hype coming out of Duke it's easy to see why he's a disappoinment. The thing is, he's the exact type of player that Carlisle wants. A frontcourt player that can handle the ball, and is also a good decision maker (something the Pacers have struggled with). I garuntee that Dunleavey will do much better in Indy than he did in Oakland.

Troy Murphy just didn't fit into the run and gun system Nellie was using in Golden State. People forget, that Murphy is a dbl'dbl guy when healthy, and could have a role similar to Brad Miller a couple years ago (play the high post).

Stephen Jackson, Sarunas J., and Baby Al were not only butting heads with teammates and not fitting in with what Carlisle wanted to do, but they also were taking minutes away from several young players the Pacers like (Orien Greene,Marquis Daniels,David Harrison and of course Danny Granger). Granger and Daniels got time, but not as much as Carlisle wanted to give them. Greene and Harrison have not gotten the time that the Pacers wanted to them to have.

The Warriors also needed to get rid of Dunleavy with the emergence of Ellis,Barnes, and Pietrus.

Jackson and Sarunas give the Warriors more 3 point shooting, while Al gives them the banger they needed down low to go with Biendris.

There are negatives for both teams. The Warriors take on a huge headcase in SJax, and also get a lot smaller, while the Pacers give up toughness and take on large contracts.

Right now I'd give the win for the Pacers for a couple reasons. 1)They got good locker room guys in Dunleavey and Murphy (both of whom are hard to hate as people) 2)They get players that are good passers and 3) They also got Ike Diogu (who the Pacers tried to get last year when the Warriors asked about Artest).

IMO If Diogu gets consistent minutes, this trade is going to become lopsided. But right now it's even.

Fresh
01-17-2007, 05:37 PM
Do you realize what type of contracts Indiana is taking up, and how they weigh in with the production of those two? It's a terrible thing, really.

ChambersWI
01-17-2007, 05:39 PM
Terrible deal for Indiana, fantastic deal for Golden State.

Finally got rid of Dunleavy, who nobody up there cares for. He's their Antoine Walker.

This is an EXCELLENT deal for Golden State.....btw, Murphy sucks too.

Dunleavy is nothing like Walker. The problem they had with him was that he got a lotof hype because he was tall, could post people, could pass, and could shoot. He's been passive on offense, and more of a passer. Sure, he shoots more 3's than he should, but he's not a black hole on offense. Same goes for Murphy (whose problem has been staying healthy).

Every Indy fan I've talked to said they're glad they got rid of SJax and Sarunas. They all basically felt that those two killed team chemistry (Jax for his attitude problem, and Sarunas for pretty much blaming everybody but himself on the court)

Talent wise and salary wise, Golden State wins, but Jackson is a locker room cancer; the only place he hasn't caused problems was San Antonio. And if you can't stay out of trouble in Indy, there's no way you'll stay out of trouble in Oakland.

ChambersWI
01-17-2007, 05:44 PM
Do you realize what type of contracts Indiana is taking up, and how they weigh in with the production of those two? It's a terrible thing, really.

I do realize what they're taking in, but with how bad their locker room has gotten, they needed to make changes. Artest hurt them last year, Jackson and Sarunas this year, to a lesser extent Al Did as well (butthat was more on the court). But the main problem was that the only positive influence for the younger guys in the locker room was Daryl Armstrong. When JO said he might ask to be traded, he said that because of problems he had with other players

Plus for Indy, they needed to get rid of those guys to develop their youn players.

Enforcerfin33
01-17-2007, 05:48 PM
Larry Bird has officaily lost his mind.

phinman1
01-17-2007, 06:14 PM
Larry Bird has officaily lost his mind.

Certainly on paper Jackson and Harrington look like the superior duo to Dunleavy and Murphy. Keep in mind however that Bird wants a certain type of player, and neither Jackson or Harrington meet that criteria. Also keep in mind that Jackson and O'Neal don't get along, and also that the fan base there despises the guy.

Dunleavy shows flashes, but is one of the most overpaid players in the NBA in my opinion. As for Murphy, the guy can board and shoot, a homeless man's Bird if you will, and fits much better in this style than the one played at Golden State. This will also open up playing time for some of their younger guys. As a poster stated earlier, neither team is going anywhere.

Ferretsquig
01-17-2007, 06:31 PM
You are comparing Murphy to Bird?? Yikes.

Section126
01-17-2007, 06:38 PM
Jasikevicius is the key in this deal in my mind.....The guy is a very functional player that is begging to be coached and molded into a NBA contributor.

Troy Murphy is not a homeless man's Larry Bird....more like a rotting corpse's larry bird.

He's Trash...

Golden State got very good in a hurry...I think they charge into the playoffs with a 6th seed...and then get smashed.

phinman1
01-17-2007, 06:59 PM
Jasikevicius is the key in this deal in my mind.....The guy is a very functional player that is begging to be coached and molded into a NBA contributor.

Troy Murphy is not a homeless man's Larry Bird....more like a rotting corpse's larry bird.

He's Trash...

Golden State got very good in a hurry...I think they charge into the playoffs with a 6th seed...and then get smashed.

Murphy isn't trash, trash doesn't average 15 and 11 for a season. He's had 20 point games with 15 or so boards. He boards more than Jackson and shoots for a better percentage than Jackson.

As for Golden State, they added two me first losers to their roster. They won't come close to the sixth seed this season in my opinion, and are in fact much more apt to implode as anything else. Plus, how much longer before the inevitable Baron Davis injury?

Indiana will benifit more from this trade than the Warriors on down the line, although on the surface it doesn't seem so.

phinman1
01-17-2007, 07:04 PM
You are comparing Murphy to Bird?? Yikes.

What I said wasn't a comparison per se, more so implying that like Bird, Murphy can really board and has nice touch from the outside.

Vertical Limit
01-17-2007, 07:22 PM
Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington.

GS won big time in this deal. Let's see if they can all stay healthy and get into the playoffs.

Fresh
01-17-2007, 07:40 PM
Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington.

GS won big time in this deal. Let's see if they can all stay healthy and get into the playoffs.

Monta Ellis, Adris Biedrins, Mickael Pietrus..........

they've got a lot of talent on that team. Lots of young talent.

ChambersWI
01-17-2007, 07:42 PM
Baron Davis, Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington.

GS won big time in this deal. Let's see if they can all stay healthy and get into the playoffs.

considering J-Rich has been hurt a lot this year (and hasn't been good when he's played), and Davis is going to be injured sooner rather than later it might not be that great.

Besides, talent doesn't always equal chemistry. Baby Al is the only guy in the trade that will get big time minutes that isn't a head case.

Besides, as I stated earlier, Dunleavy and Murphy are better suited for their new roles in Indy.

phunwin
01-17-2007, 08:34 PM
You are comparing Murphy to Bird?? Yikes.

Murphy has the same three things in common with Larry Bird that Adam Morrison Matt Harpring and a few dozen other players do: he's white, fairly tall, and can shoot the rock with some degree of competence. That's pretty much it...unless you count the fact that Murphy, like Bird, is now employed by the Indiana Pacers. That's four things. Sadly, there's long been a temptation to compare pretty much every American white forward with even a stitch of talent to Bird. I've given up trying to stop it, frankly.

In any event, Golden State got the best player in the deal, cleared minutes in its crowded frontcourt, and got long-term cap relief, too. That makes them the winner.

phunwin
01-17-2007, 08:35 PM
Besides, as I stated earlier, Dunleavy and Murphy are better suited for their new roles in Indy.

Except for the fact that Rick Carlisle can't stand players who can't play defense.

ChambersWI
01-17-2007, 09:06 PM
Except for the fact that Rick Carlisle can't stand players who can't play defense.

true, but they're better offensively for the Pacers. Sarunas,Al, and SJax did not fit in with what the Pacers were trying to do.

Again I'll say this, the two main reasons I like this trade more for Indiana are Good Team guys, and Ike Diogu. If Diogu gets anything resembling consistent minutes, I think he makes the trade look great.