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twg76
01-31-2007, 10:15 PM
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PHINSfan
01-31-2007, 10:18 PM
Good post....makes sense!

albyfinfan
01-31-2007, 10:22 PM
in minny goes for a wr i think they will pick up Jarrett before Ginn, and yes if ginn is there i would luv to see him in aqua and orange this up comming season, or Bowe but at #9 hes a reach,... imo

otherwise good post

utahphinsfan
01-31-2007, 10:29 PM
6. Washington Redskins: RB Adrian Peterson


With Portis returning along with Betts, Cartwright, & Duckett, I just can't see the 'skins selecting an RB.

I can see them taking a DL or even upgrading their secondary.

IluvJuMiami
01-31-2007, 10:31 PM
I wouldn't mind trading down a couple of spots, if we get any bidders, and taking Levi Brown.

SR 7
01-31-2007, 10:34 PM
With Portis returning along with Betts, Cartwright, & Duckett, I just can't see the 'skins selecting an RB.

I can see them taking a DL or even upgrading their secondary.

thats what i was thinking. i think they go S or D line bc they need a pass rusher and archuleta was benched so S should be ttempting.

IluvJuMiami
01-31-2007, 10:35 PM
With Portis returning along with Betts, Cartwright, & Duckett, I just can't see the 'skins selecting an RB.

I can see them taking a DL or even upgrading their secondary.

Makes sense. Plus, we should really be hoping that Peterson falls to 9. I think many mid-level team woulds want to trade up for Peterson. Green Bay would be the ideal trade partner at 16. They are in desperate need of a starting RB. If Farve comes back, the need might be dire.

Patbchln
01-31-2007, 10:48 PM
I want to see tedd ginn drop to us I know it wont happen but jamrcus russell would be great!!!

SF Dolphin Fan
01-31-2007, 10:52 PM
Well thought out. The more I think about it the more I feel Miami will take Brown with the #9 pick and that wouldn't be bad as he's someone they could build the line around. Brown may not be the ideal left tackle, but there are a lot of players in this league who aren't ideal fits for their position who can play (Zach Thomas). In a way, Brown is a lot like Tarek Glenn who came into the league with the same questions -- whether his feet were quick enough to play left tackle. He's done pretty well and I'm sure Peyton Manning is happy to have him.

I'm a defense first guy so I'd love to see Miami take Adams if he slipped, or Okoye or Moss who reminds me a lot of Jason Taylor. But Brown would make a lot of sense for a coach who was hired to overhaul the offense.

MrEd
01-31-2007, 10:55 PM
Let's take a look at the draft not based on how good the players are. Of course, that is the biggest factor, but we all know teams also draft based on need.

So here is a list of the top 8 picks (based on their biggest need AND what is available):

1. Oakland Raiders: QB JaMarcus Russell
2. Detroit Lions: OL Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland Browns: QB Brady Quinn
4. Tampa Bay Bucs: WR Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona Cardinals: DE Jamall Anderson
6. Washington Redskins: RB Adrian Peterson
7. Minnesota Vikings: WR Ted Ginn Jr.
8. Houston Texans: DT Alan Branch

I really do not see a DB going before Miami picks. There just isn't that one DB standout that is exceptional enough to get into the top 8. Landry might slide in to the Texans at #8, but that is a long shot.

The Raiders and Browns needs long-term QBs badly. I think Minnesota will look to get another "Randy Moss" type of player by going for Ginn Jr. The other players are just too good to pass on for the other teams.

So Miami is in REAL GOOD SHAPE at #9. They can get an immediate starter with this pick. These are the players I think it will come down too:

9. Miami Dolphins: DB Nelson, DT Okoye, DE Adams or OT Brown

I feel about 90% certain that one of those four players will get the call from Miami in the 1st round.

Note: If Ginn Jr. slips for some strange reason, I think Miami should snatch him up.

Based on CLE's media so far...they arent going to pick Quinn at #3/4. They most likely pick Adrian Peterson.

In this scenario, of course Gaines Adams would be the choice since Ginn Jr is gone.

Stitches
01-31-2007, 10:55 PM
Based on those projections, and how Minny's coach has said he feels about drafting recievers early, and how Williamson has worked out for them, I can't see them not drafting Gaines Adams(considering who would be left).

And assuming the Vikes take him, I would like to see the Fins get Landry, nelson, Okoye, or Brown.

Joneal7
01-31-2007, 11:30 PM
can Adams play 3-4 olb?

JBinSD
01-31-2007, 11:37 PM
With Portis returning along with Betts, Cartwright, & Duckett, I just can't see the 'skins selecting an RB.

I can see them taking a DL or even upgrading their secondary.


Agreed. I think the Skins could also pick up a guy like Adams, or definitely Branch.

jlfin
01-31-2007, 11:37 PM
Based on CLE's media so far...they arent going to pick Quinn at #3/4. They most likely pick Adrian Peterson.

In this scenario, of course Gaines Adams would be the choice since Ginn Jr is gone.


Ginn is not worth a top 10 pick. He is fast, but undersized. He reminds me of Desmond Howard and Rocket Ismael. Both were good special teamers, but nothing special as WR's. For the money you have to pay a top 10 pick, he damn well better be on the field as a significant contributor for the offense.

Rubbin420
01-31-2007, 11:43 PM
I think Levi Brown is a good pick, along with Adams if available. No matter the situation from 1-8, we have some amazing choices at 9. Imagine if one of the top five dropped to 9! Its possible! Look at Cutler.
If Russell fell to 9 because of a bad workout or some personality issues, combine, or pro day he could fall late.

twg76
01-31-2007, 11:49 PM
If CLE takes Peterson, then Quinn could slip to the #9 spot. It is very possible for either Peterson or Quinn to slip to #9 because the teams between CLE and MIA don't have to take a QB or RB.

If Peterson falls past CLE, MIA may be able to trade back for an extra pick to a team who wants him. If Quinn falls past CLE, MIA will be in a similar situation. But it would be very tempting to snatch up Quinn and drop either Lemon or Harrington from the roster.

If the Redskins draft defense, I think that might hurt Miami a bit. You can't help but think they would take Adams, Landry or even Okoye. I think that would almost solidify Nelson as Miami's pick at #9.

If the Redskins AND the Vikings choose defense, then JESUS! Miami will probably be looking at Quinn and Ginn Jr. at #9. That would be a tough choice, but Miami can't lose because they are both good players. I think I would take Ginn Jr. just because of his explosiveness. miami needs a guy like that. But Quinn might be another brainiac QB like Peyton Manning so...

Stitches
01-31-2007, 11:56 PM
Ginn or Quinn at 9 is not a tough choice in probably most people's minds.

OneHondo
02-01-2007, 01:31 AM
I don't know, I may be wrong but I think that Cameron would likely choose an offensive player with his first pick. Since Cameron is an offensive specialist and the Dolphins have been struggling so on offense the last couple of years it would make sense that Cameron and Mueller would lean that way. This on top of the fact that Miami's strength has been its defense last year and for awhile now. I don't know, nothing surprizes me with the Dolphins any more although I have hope for the future with Cameron and Mueller.

Rafiki
02-01-2007, 01:33 AM
Okoye is only 19 and a mid-first rounder. If that doesn't say a lot about his potential I don't know what will.

Bpk
02-01-2007, 07:17 AM
I honestly think our O-line needs a LT SO badly (ESPECIALLY if we rely of CPep to be our guy with less mobility) that I'd be willing to trade our #9 AND the third round pick to move up to #4 if Joe Thomas is still around by then.

Bpk
02-01-2007, 07:24 AM
Ginn is not worth a top 10 pick. He is fast, but undersized. He reminds me of Desmond Howard and Rocket Ismael. Both were good special teamers, but nothing special as WR's. For the money you have to pay a top 10 pick, he damn well better be on the field as a significant contributor for the offense.

A good point. The other thing is, AMAZING return men usually get 'solved' by the opposing coaching staffs after one great season. It is very very rare for a return man to have year after year of amazing seasons. Devin Hester will be a fraction as effective next year as he was this year. The same would happen with Ginn.

Unless we can find a bread-and-butter offensive way to use Ginn, I agree that he doesn't warrant that high a % of our salary cap tied up in him.

HelloMotto
02-01-2007, 08:09 AM
I think Levi Brown is a good pick, along with Adams if available. No matter the situation from 1-8, we have some amazing choices at 9. Imagine if one of the top five dropped to 9! Its possible! Look at Cutler.
If Russell fell to 9 because of a bad workout or some personality issues, combine, or pro day he could fall late.

if we draft j russell i am officially leaving the team. He has bust written all over him. we have more needs on defense and since we will be drafting the best available player (not need) it most likely will be a defensive player available at #9. Levi brown is not going to be drafted #9. maybe if we found a trading partner (which is unlikely) and dropped down. now the second round could go anywhere.

HelloMotto
02-01-2007, 08:14 AM
A good point. The other thing is, AMAZING return men usually get 'solved' by the opposing coaching staffs after one great season. It is very very rare for a return man to have year after year of amazing seasons. Devin Hester will be a fraction as effective next year as he was this year. The same would happen with Ginn.

Unless we can find a bread-and-butter offensive way to use Ginn, I agree that he doesn't warrant that high a % of our salary cap tied up in him.

solved! solved! there is no magical formula for stopping a good player. it's just helmet on helmet. i would not complain if we drafted ginn. you will see his stock soar after his personal workout at ohio state. this team has never seen speed like ginn. we need that speed.

jim1
02-01-2007, 08:31 AM
Based on CLE's media so far...they arent going to pick Quinn at #3/4. They most likely pick Adrian Peterson.

In this scenario, of course Gaines Adams would be the choice since Ginn Jr is gone.


I really want us to go offense, but Gaines Adams is a heck of a player and would look really good at OLB. Tremendous quickness, the guy will be a great pass rusher.

Stitches
02-01-2007, 09:33 AM
solved! solved! there is no magical formula for stopping a good player. it's just helmet on helmet. i would not complain if we drafted ginn. you will see his stock soar after his personal workout at ohio state. this team has never seen speed like ginn. we need that speed.

I like how you say this about Ginn, but then say Russell has bust written all over him. :shakeno:

Motion
02-01-2007, 09:43 AM
Extremely doubtful that Washington takes Peterson. Why would they? They have a crowded backfield already. They need secondary. I could see them taking Landry.

Stitches
02-01-2007, 09:50 AM
Extremely doubtful that Washington takes Peterson. Why would they? They have a crowded backfield already. They need secondary. I could see them taking Landry.


No! :tantrum:

They can take a defensive end.

Motion
02-01-2007, 10:07 AM
No! :tantrum:

They can take a defensive end.

That too. They need alot of things. Their defense was horrible this year.

phins3454
02-01-2007, 10:09 AM
The Browns should stick with Charlie Frye, and draft Adrian Peterson

oldfinfan
02-01-2007, 10:44 AM
Let's take a look at the draft not based on how good the players are. Of course, that is the biggest factor, but we all know teams also draft based on need.

So here is a list of the top 8 picks (based on their biggest need AND what is available):

1. Oakland Raiders: QB JaMarcus Russell
2. Detroit Lions: OL Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland Browns: QB Brady Quinn
4. Tampa Bay Bucs: WR Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona Cardinals: DE Jamall Anderson
6. Washington Redskins: RB Adrian Peterson
7. Minnesota Vikings: WR Ted Ginn Jr.
8. Houston Texans: DT Alan Branch

I really do not see a DB going before Miami picks. There just isn't that one DB standout that is exceptional enough to get into the top 8. Landry might slide in to the Texans at #8, but that is a long shot.

The Raiders and Browns needs long-term QBs badly. I think Minnesota will look to get another "Randy Moss" type of player by going for Ginn Jr. The other players are just too good to pass on for the other teams.

So Miami is in REAL GOOD SHAPE at #9. They can get an immediate starter with this pick. These are the players I think it will come down too:

9. Miami Dolphins: DB Nelson, DT Okoye, DE Adams or OT Brown

I feel about 90% certain that one of those four players will get the call from Miami in the 1st round.

Note: If Ginn Jr. slips for some strange reason, I think Miami should snatch him up.

See Houston picking Peterson, if he lasts till then

Where do you have Jarrett going ? why not to the Fins with # 9

Motion
02-01-2007, 10:47 AM
See Houston picking Peterson, if he lasts till then

Where do you have Jarrett going ? why not to the Fins with # 9

Cause we don't need him? If we go WR, it should be one with speed. Jarrett would be nothing more than the 4th WR for the Fins IMO.

arsenal
02-01-2007, 11:23 AM
no way peterson falls to us... if hes there at 8, the texans are taking him...

Aqua and Orange
02-01-2007, 11:31 AM
I dont see Washington getting Peterson and could trade the pick if he is there. I also don't think the Browns will select Quinn. This draft is going to be very interesting after the combine!

JFoxx
02-01-2007, 11:50 AM
While speculation is fun and all . . . . . . none of this guessing will mean anything in weeks/months to come. Some teams will address big needs via F/A. Some players will drop or increase because of combine results. Others will hold their own indiv. workouts afterwards. Look how much the board changed from SB to the day of the draft last year. I'm sure Cam will be picking the BPA since we have so many needs. The real question is whether it will be on the offense or D side of the ball. Unless there's an elite guy available on the D side come our pick, I'd be shocked if he didn't go offense in some way. Odd are that there will be at least one if not two big name offensive guys available to us at #9 (depending upon their combine #'s). So we may be in an interesting position when #9 comes up. We might have a lot of pleasant options at that point (including trading down a few spots and picking up another first day pick in the process, while still getting an impact player). The key teams that might be willing to do this are the one's who think they are a player or two away. They are more willing to give up picks to get that player. Will be entertaining if nothing else!

FINSFAN2781
02-01-2007, 12:24 PM
The Browns should stick with Charlie Frye, and draft Adrian Peterson

I think thats what they are going to do. Yahoo had an article about that the other day. So CLE most likely wont draft a QB, so theres a chance Quinn could fall to #9.

2413fanphins
02-01-2007, 02:24 PM
reallistically, a qb could go to any of the top four teams if you think about it. the skins would be dimented to pick up another RB, betts was a stud filling in for portis.

I wouldn't mind if quinn was gone by our pick than we could target stanton in later rounds. there should be a few FA qb's come up as well. I am all for a franchise qb through the draft I just don't think quinn will be it.

should be an interesting offseason.

jlfin
02-01-2007, 08:49 PM
solved! solved! there is no magical formula for stopping a good player. it's just helmet on helmet. i would not complain if we drafted ginn. you will see his stock soar after his personal workout at ohio state. this team has never seen speed like ginn. we need that speed.


Yeah right. I remember the same things being said about Rocket Ismael. Jerry Rice didn't have "that speed".
Ginn is not a top 10 pick.

Finole
02-01-2007, 09:55 PM
Let's take a look at the draft not based on how good the players are. Of course, that is the biggest factor, but we all know teams also draft based on need.

So here is a list of the top 8 picks (based on their biggest need AND what is available):

1. Oakland Raiders: QB JaMarcus Russell
2. Detroit Lions: OL Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland Browns: QB Brady Quinn
4. Tampa Bay Bucs: WR Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona Cardinals: DE Jamall Anderson
6. Washington Redskins: RB Adrian Peterson
7. Minnesota Vikings: WR Ted Ginn Jr.
8. Houston Texans: DT Alan Branch

I really do not see a DB going before Miami picks. There just isn't that one DB standout that is exceptional enough to get into the top 8. Landry might slide in to the Texans at #8, but that is a long shot.

The Raiders and Browns needs long-term QBs badly. I think Minnesota will look to get another "Randy Moss" type of player by going for Ginn Jr. The other players are just too good to pass on for the other teams.

So Miami is in REAL GOOD SHAPE at #9. They can get an immediate starter with this pick. These are the players I think it will come down too:

9. Miami Dolphins: DB Nelson, DT Okoye, DE Adams or OT Brown

I feel about 90% certain that one of those four players will get the call from Miami in the 1st round.

Note: If Ginn Jr. slips for some strange reason, I think Miami should snatch him up.

Oakland and Detroit both desperately need a QB. So I see Quinn and Russell going 1-2.

The wild card is Joe Thomas. The Raiders are certainly unhappy with Robert Gallery, but would they draft a LT again? And I think Detroit is pretty happy with Jeff Backus.

Cleveland needs a RB. And they went all Defense in Rounds 1 and 2 last year. So Adrian Peterson will most likely go here. But they might also take Thomas because a LT can certainly improve your running attack as well.

TB needs a better defense. I know Gruden likes WRs, but at some point you have to stand pat. I mean with Michael Clayton, Joey Galloway, Ike Hilliard, and Maurice Stovall already on the roster, I don't see them taking Calvin Johnson. They might take Thomas as he will most likely still be available, but they already took a Guard and a Tackle in Rounds 1 and 2 last year. At some point, the Bucs have gotta start thinking defensively. So I'm guessing they're gonna take DE Anderson, DT Branch, DT Okoye, or DE Adams.

The Cardinals certainly don't need a WR, so they're not going there. They went all Offense in Rounds 1 and 2 last year. They might take DE Anderson, DT Branch, DT Okoye, or DE Adams.

So now I've got Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas falling out of the Top 5. Sounds crazy, right? But it could happen. Especially if teams pick for need. There could be some serious wheeling and dealing going on this April.

Now you've got Washington. They're definitely NOT taking Thomas because they've got Chris Samuels. So I'd say Calvin Johnson is heading to the nation's capital.

Houston would absolutely take Joe Thomas. If he's not available, they might take Levi Brown. (That would really suck.) They went all Defense in Rounds 1 and 2 last year with DE Mario Williams and LB DeMeco Ryans. So they could go Offense this year. But they'll have RB Domanick Davis back from injury. They're set at QB with Carr, and there won't be anybody better available unless Quinn or Russell fall. And they've got a Pro-Bowler at WR in Andre Johnson. Although, Andre Johnson and Jarrett or Ginn would be a sick combo! Or Houston could go Defense again and take DE Anderson, DT Branch, DT Okoye, or DE Adams.

After typing that last paragraph, I now realize that if Joe Thomas in not available when Houston picks, there's absolutely no way to predict what they're going to do. Don't forget, this is the team that passed up Reggie Bush and signed Mario Williams the day before the draft. Houston is a real wild card.

Minnesota went all Defense last year. So they may very well take one these talented WRs. The good news is they're all set at LT with Bryant McKinnie.

So if he makes it past Houston, we got a real shot at Levi Brown.

BUT... the Fins could also have a shot at these guys...

DE Jamaal Anderson. An eventual successor for JT.
DT Alan Branch. We're so deep at DT. But Branch is hard to pass up.
WR Ted Ginn Jr. Ginn is real hard to pass up because he also returns kicks.
WR Dwayne Jarrett. Would be an excellent compliment to Chambers.
DT Amobi Okoye. Talk about adding youth to the D-Line.
DE Gaines Adams. Another potential successor for JT.
CB Leon Hall. Could be a reach at #9 but the Fins do need a lockdown CB.
LB Paul Posluszny. Another reach? His stock may be dropping. We might even have a shot at him in the 2nd round. But I doubt it.
DBs LaRon Landry and Reggie Nelson. The Fins don't need a safety as long as you're satisfied with Jason Allen.

Personally, I'm still hoping for Levi Brown. We haven't had a great LT since Richmond Webb. And it's absolutely essential to any successful offense. The dropoff in talent is so extreme after Thomas and Brown, that it doesn't make sense to draft a LT in the later rounds.

But we could pick up an excellent WR in the later rounds. So I'd pass on Ginn or Jarrett if Brown is still available.

I don't see the Fins taking Leon Hall unless they can trade down. And there might be a gem in the rough in the later rounds as far as CB goes, too. Or maybe with can pick up Asante Samuels in free agency.

Now the question is do you draft a guy that you'll need in a few years (Anderson, Branch, Okoye, Adams, Posluszny) or do you draft a guy that you need right now: Levi Brown.

Stitches
02-01-2007, 10:03 PM
Oakland and Detroit both desperately need a QB. So I see Quinn and Russell going 1-2.

The wild card is Joe Thomas. The Raiders are certainly unhappy with Robert Gallery, but would they draft a LT again? And I think Detroit is pretty happy with Jeff Backus.

Cleveland needs a RB. And they went all Defense in Rounds 1 and 2 last year. So Adrian Peterson will most likely go here. But they might also take Thomas because a LT can certainly improve your running attack as well.

TB needs a better defense. I know Gruden likes WRs, but at some point you have to stand pat. I mean with Michael Clayton, Joey Galloway, Ike Hilliard, and Maurice Stovall already on the roster, I don't see them taking Calvin Johnson. They might take Thomas as he will most likely still be available, but they already took a Guard and a Tackle in Rounds 1 and 2 last year. At some point, the Bucs have gotta start thinking defensively. So I'm guessing they're gonna take DE Anderson, DT Branch, DT Okoye, or DE Adams.

The Cardinals certainly don't need a WR, so they're not going there. They went all Offense in Rounds 1 and 2 last year. They might take DE Anderson, DT Branch, DT Okoye, or DE Adams.

So now I've got Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas falling out of the Top 5. Sounds crazy, right? But it could happen. Especially if teams pick for need. There could be some serious wheeling and dealing going on this April.

Now you've got Washington. They're definitely NOT taking Thomas because they've got Chris Samuels. So I'd say Calvin Johnson is heading to the nation's capital.

Houston would absolutely take Joe Thomas. If he's not available, they might take Levi Brown. (That would really suck.) They went all Defense in Rounds 1 and 2 last year with DE Mario Williams and LB DeMeco Ryans. So they could go Offense this year. But they'll have RB Domanick Davis back from injury. They're set at QB with Carr, and there won't be anybody better available unless Quinn or Russell fall. And they've got a Pro-Bowler at WR in Andre Johnson. Although, Andre Johnson and Jarrett or Ginn would be a sick combo! Or Houston could go Defense again and take DE Anderson, DT Branch, DT Okoye, or DE Adams.

After typing that last paragraph, I now realize that if Joe Thomas in not available when Houston picks, there's absolutely no way to predict what they're going to do. Don't forget, this is the team that passed up Reggie Bush and signed Mario Williams the day before the draft. Houston is a real wild card.

Minnesota went all Defense last year. So they may very well take one these talented WRs. The good news is they're all set at LT with Bryant McKinnie.

So if he makes it past Houston, we got a real shot at Levi Brown.

BUT... the Fins could also have a shot at these guys...

DE Jamaal Anderson. An eventual successor for JT.
DT Alan Branch. We're so deep at DT. But Branch is hard to pass up.
WR Ted Ginn Jr. Ginn is real hard to pass up because he also returns kicks.
WR Dwayne Jarrett. Would be an excellent compliment to Chambers.
DT Amobi Okoye. Talk about adding youth to the D-Line.
DE Gaines Adams. Another potential successor for JT.
CB Leon Hall. Could be a reach at #9 but the Fins do need a lockdown CB.
LB Paul Posluszny. Another reach? His stock may be dropping. We might even have a shot at him in the 2nd round. But I doubt it.
DBs LaRon Landry and Reggie Nelson. The Fins don't need a safety as long as you're satisfied with Jason Allen.

Personally, I'm still hoping for Levi Brown. We haven't had a great LT since Richmond Webb. And it's absolutely essential to any successful offense. The dropoff in talent is so extreme after Thomas and Brown, that it doesn't make sense to draft a LT in the later rounds.

But we could pick up an excellent WR in the later rounds. So I'd pass on Ginn or Jarrett if Brown is still available.

I don't see the Fins taking Leon Hall unless they can trade down. And there might be a gem in the rough in the later rounds as far as CB goes, too. Or maybe with can pick up Asante Samuels in free agency.

Now the question is do you draft a guy that you'll need in a few years (Anderson, Branch, Okoye, Adams, Posluszny) or do you draft a guy that you need right now: Levi Brown.

IMO, only the bolded ones should even be considered by us at #9. And we should still consider Nelson and Landry at #9, regardless of how we feel about Allen. There are two safety spots that can be filled after all.

Stitches
02-01-2007, 10:05 PM
I would have no problem with Levi Brown at #9, taht's pretty much the only offensive player close to being worth that pick as of right now. Like I've said, there willl be much better defensive talent available at #9 than offensive. There may be 2 offensive players worth it at 9(Brown, Quinn likely to be the only two left), while there are like a possible 6 defensive players worth that pick.

Finole
02-01-2007, 10:07 PM
IMO, only the bolded ones should even be considered by us at #9. And we should still consider Nelson and Landry at #9, regardless of how we feel about Allen. There are two safety spots that can be filled after all.

Those are all defensive players you bolded. I would be shocked if the Fins drafted defense over offense after hiring Cam Cameron as our new head coach.

Stitches
02-01-2007, 10:43 PM
Those are all defensive players you bolded. I would be shocked if the Fins drafted defense over offense after hiring Cam Cameron as our new head coach.

No one on offense is worth it at 9 except Brown(based on current projections).

twg76
02-01-2007, 11:35 PM
No one on offense is worth it at 9 except Brown(based on current projections).

Right now, Brown is the second highest rated OL in the draft. But that could change. And even if it doesn't, there are just too many really talented players at #9 to take Brown. I know many of you are down on McIntosh, but he does an ok job. I know he isn't the answer for the future, but he could hold it down for a couple more seasons.

I can't see Miami passing on Nelson or Landry because it is possible that Miami will be able to get the top DB in the draft. And there is a huge stockpile of talent on the DL in this draft. How could Miami miss out on that?

And there is the X-factor: Ginn Jr. He could slip and become a serious option.

I don't know, man. It looks like Miami is going to have a boatload of talent to choose from in the 1st round. Can Brown be at the top? It probably will come down to the debate of biggest need for Miami. I just don't see LT as the biggest need.

Finole
02-02-2007, 03:58 PM
Right now, Brown is the second highest rated OL in the draft. But that could change. And even if it doesn't, there are just too many really talented players at #9 to take Brown. I know many of you are down on McIntosh, but he does an ok job. I know he isn't the answer for the future, but he could hold it down for a couple more seasons.

I can't see Miami passing on Nelson or Landry because it is possible that Miami will be able to get the top DB in the draft. And there is a huge stockpile of talent on the DL in this draft. How could Miami miss out on that?

And there is the X-factor: Ginn Jr. He could slip and become a serious option.

I don't know, man. It looks like Miami is going to have a boatload of talent to choose from in the 1st round. Can Brown be at the top? It probably will come down to the debate of biggest need for Miami. I just don't see LT as the biggest need.

No doubt. The Fins will have a boatload of talent to choose from. That can only be a good thing, right?

mcteems, I have read several of your posts, and I respect your opinion. You seem to have a lot of football knowledge. But I disagree with you this time. LT is absolutely our biggest need.

If the Fins could trade Jason Allen to Washington for Chris Samuels then I would be okay with drafting Nelson or Landry. But that ain't happening.

You could also make an argument for a lockdown CB. But I'd rather pick up Aaron Ross, Michael Coe, or Jonathan Wade in one of the later rounds.

As far as DL talent... DEs Jarvis Moss, Adam Carriker, Anthony Spencer, and Jay Moore could be available in later rounds. As well as DTs DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, Justin Harrell, and David Patterson.

That being said, it would be hard to pass up Ginn, Posluszny, or Leon Hall.

Finole
02-02-2007, 04:00 PM
No one on offense is worth it at 9 except Brown(based on current projections).

I would add Ginn and possibly Jarrett to the list, but yeah, there's a ton of defensive talent.

Stitches
02-02-2007, 05:13 PM
I would add Ginn and possibly Jarrett to the list, but yeah, there's a ton of defensive talent.

I wouldn't draft either of them until after 15, but if that's how you feel, fine. Everyone has opinions after all.

Stitches
02-02-2007, 05:14 PM
No doubt. The Fins will have a boatload of talent to choose from. That can only be a good thing, right?

mcteems, I have read several of your posts, and I respect your opinion. You seem to have a lot of football knowledge. But I disagree with you this time. LT is absolutely our biggest need.

If the Fins could trade Jason Allen to Washington for Chris Samuels then I would be okay with drafting Nelson or Landry. But that ain't happening.

You could also make an argument for a lockdown CB. But I'd rather pick up Aaron Ross, Michael Coe, or Jonathan Wade in one of the later rounds.

As far as DL talent... DEs Jarvis Moss, Adam Carriker, Anthony Spencer, and Jay Moore could be available in later rounds. As well as DTs DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, Justin Harrell, and David Patterson.

That being said, it would be hard to pass up Ginn, Posluszny, or Leon Hall.

I love Puz, but none of the last 3 are worth the 9th pick in round 1.

Motion
02-02-2007, 05:21 PM
No doubt. The Fins will have a boatload of talent to choose from. That can only be a good thing, right?

mcteems, I have read several of your posts, and I respect your opinion. You seem to have a lot of football knowledge. But I disagree with you this time. LT is absolutely our biggest need.

If the Fins could trade Jason Allen to Washington for Chris Samuels then I would be okay with drafting Nelson or Landry. But that ain't happening.

You could also make an argument for a lockdown CB. But I'd rather pick up Aaron Ross, Michael Coe, or Jonathan Wade in one of the later rounds.

As far as DL talent... DEs Jarvis Moss, Adam Carriker, Anthony Spencer, and Jay Moore could be available in later rounds. As well as DTs DeMarcus "Tank" Tyler, Justin Harrell, and David Patterson.

That being said, it would be hard to pass up Ginn, Posluszny, or Leon Hall.

At #9?????? :eek: I would throw my tv out the window if I heard his name at 9.

Stitches
02-02-2007, 05:28 PM
At #9?????? :eek: I would throw my tv out the window if I heard his name at 9.

:pray:

I hope we get Puz then, I will be outside your window waiting, because I know how sweet a TV you have.

Finole
02-03-2007, 06:22 AM
I love Puz, but none of the last 3 are worth the 9th pick in round 1.

True. The Fins could trade down 3 spots and have no problem picking up one of those guys.

Finole
02-03-2007, 06:24 AM
At #9?????? :eek: I would throw my tv out the window if I heard his name at 9.

I know his stock is dropping in some circles, but let's at least wait until after the combines before writing off a player.

In your opinion, who is the best linebacker coming out this year?

Finole
02-03-2007, 06:27 AM
I wouldn't draft either of them until after 15, but if that's how you feel, fine. Everyone has opinions after all.

You don't think Ginn or Jarrett are upgrades over Chambers?

MustangFinFan
02-03-2007, 09:32 AM
With Portis returning along with Betts, Cartwright, & Duckett, I just can't see the 'skins selecting an RB.

I can see them taking a DL or even upgrading their secondary.

living in the washington area...i totally agree. i also dont see Houston selecting a DT...dont they have Shaun (or is it Dan) Cody??

MustangFinFan
02-03-2007, 09:37 AM
it is difficult cuz Chambers, Booker, Hagan, Welker DO have the ability and potential to be top receivers...well with the exception of Hagan YET. if we get Stallworth, i just dont see a WR coming at #9.

i wonder who we'd pick if we signed Eric Steinbach (LG), Asante Samuel (CB), Dante Stallworth or Randy Moss (WR)...Adalius Thomas (OLB)...THEN id seriously wonder who is the best pick at #9....maybe Patrick Willis to groom behind Zach?

Stitches
02-03-2007, 04:30 PM
You don't think Ginn or Jarrett are upgrades over Chambers?

Not at all. I would say Ginn's hands will be less consistent than chamber's in the pro's(at thier respective points in thier career), and he is a worse route runner. Jarret won't be an upgrade because he will get even less seperation than Chris.

Finole
02-05-2007, 02:13 PM
living in the washington area...i totally agree. i also dont see Houston selecting a DT...dont they have Shaun (or is it Dan) Cody??

DT Shaun Cody plays for Detroit.
LB Dan Cody plays for Baltimore.

But you're probably right about Houston not selecting a DT... Travis Johnson was their 1st round pick in 2005.

Finole
02-05-2007, 02:15 PM
Not at all. I would say Ginn's hands will be less consistent than chamber's in the pro's(at thier respective points in thier career), and he is a worse route runner. Jarret won't be an upgrade because he will get even less seperation than Chris.

Fair enough. I will defer to your opinion since I haven't seen Ginn or Jarrett play in an actual game. Only highlights.

Motion
02-05-2007, 02:16 PM
I know his stock is dropping in some circles, but let's at least wait until after the combines before writing off a player.

In your opinion, who is the best linebacker coming out this year?

Patrick Willis easily if we're talking true LBs. If we're throwing in the hybrids it would be Gaines Adams.

Motion
02-05-2007, 02:16 PM
:pray:

I hope we get Puz then, I will be outside your window waiting, because I know how sweet a TV you have.

:chuckle: Did I mention I watch the draft on my 13" tv in the garage? :D

Stitches
02-05-2007, 04:27 PM
:chuckle: Did I mention I watch the draft on my 13" tv in the garage? :D

:fire:

Forget it.

jlfin
02-05-2007, 04:31 PM
in minny goes for a wr i think they will pick up Jarrett before Ginn, and yes if ginn is there i would luv to see him in aqua and orange this up comming season, or Bowe but at #9 hes a reach,... imo

otherwise good post


Ginn is a reach atr 9 too.

Jaj
02-05-2007, 04:35 PM
I hope to God we don't draft Ginn Jr. at 9. I'd rather trade Chambers to move up to draft Calvin Johnson, then draft Ginn Jr.

Atleast you'll be getting a #1 receiver that way.

dominizzo
02-05-2007, 06:03 PM
ID Love gaines Adams

nstand
02-05-2007, 07:14 PM
Personally, I'm still hoping for Levi Brown. We haven't had a great LT since Richmond Webb. And it's absolutely essential to any successful offense. The dropoff in talent is so extreme after Thomas and Brown, that it doesn't make sense to draft a LT in the later rounds.

Agreed, he might be a slight reach at #9 but we need a LT so go out and get him. The talent at WR & DE is deep so look for the later rounds to strengthen here. Also love to see a C drafted in 2nd or 3rd round.

TexanPhinatic
02-05-2007, 07:32 PM
Agreed, he might be a slight reach at #9 but we need a LT so go out and get him. The talent at WR & DE is deep so look for the later rounds to strengthen here. Also love to see a C drafted in 2nd or 3rd round.

I havent heard much about levi brown that would make me want him here in miami. He would be a huge reach imo, and a mistake. We will NOT pick line in the first, aside from Thomas there just isnt anyone worth it, Brown included.
Ginn is more like Steve Smith than Desmond Howard, would love to grab him. Hes a playmaker and a game changer-something our offense is just desperate for. How the hell do people think Cam will magically open up the offense without someone who can stretch the field the way a Ginn type guy can. CC just isnt getting it done, we need an upgrade.
Brady Quinn is just a no brainer grab here if he falls to us, a good shot he does imo and will be a fantastic pickup.
For anyone saying we will draft defense, umm, hello? We have a top 5 D and a bottom 5 O, and just hired a coach who is an offensive guy. Unless all the top O guys are gone by 9, we will upgrade the Offense!! Stop throwing all these second rate CBs at us please!

PhinSoldia
02-05-2007, 07:36 PM
Let's take a look at the draft not based on how good the players are. Of course, that is the biggest factor, but we all know teams also draft based on need.

So here is a list of the top 8 picks (based on their biggest need AND what is available):

1. Oakland Raiders: QB JaMarcus Russell
2. Detroit Lions: OL Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland Browns: QB Brady Quinn
4. Tampa Bay Bucs: WR Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona Cardinals: DE Jamall Anderson
6. Washington Redskins: RB Adrian Peterson
7. Minnesota Vikings: WR Ted Ginn Jr.
8. Houston Texans: DT Alan Branch

I really do not see a DB going before Miami picks. There just isn't that one DB standout that is exceptional enough to get into the top 8. Landry might slide in to the Texans at #8, but that is a long shot.

The Raiders and Browns needs long-term QBs badly. I think Minnesota will look to get another "Randy Moss" type of player by going for Ginn Jr. The other players are just too good to pass on for the other teams.

So Miami is in REAL GOOD SHAPE at #9. They can get an immediate starter with this pick. These are the players I think it will come down too:

9. Miami Dolphins: DB Nelson, DT Okoye, DE Adams or OT Brown

I feel about 90% certain that one of those four players will get the call from Miami in the 1st round.

Note: If Ginn Jr. slips for some strange reason, I think Miami should snatch him up.

i disagree ofcourse with the Washington pick like everybody else-but the minny pick is troubling as well because they have williamson already and they dont need another speed reciever they would go after Jarret if they absolutely needed a WR

In_Flames
02-05-2007, 07:37 PM
So here is a list of the top 8 picks (based on their biggest need AND what is available):

1. Oakland Raiders: QB JaMarcus Russell
2. Detroit Lions: OL Joe Thomas
3. Cleveland Browns: QB Brady Quinn
4. Tampa Bay Bucs: WR Calvin Johnson
5. Arizona Cardinals: DE Jamall Anderson
6. Washington Redskins: RB Adrian Peterson
7. Minnesota Vikings: WR Ted Ginn Jr.
8. Houston Texans: DT Alan Branch

I9. Miami Dolphins: DB Nelson, DT Okoye, DE Adams or OT Brown


If this is in fact the scenario come draft day I hope we go with G.Adams in the 1st, but wouldn't be disappointed with any of the other players you have listed as well.

Finole
02-06-2007, 01:33 AM
I havent heard much about levi brown that would make me want him here in miami. He would be a huge reach imo, and a mistake.

Wrong. If we pass on Levi Brown, don't be surprised if Atlanta drafts him 10th overall. If Atlanta passes on Brown, then maybe SF but definitely Buffalo would draft him.

I wouldn't call that much of a reach at all.

SpurzN703
02-06-2007, 01:42 PM
thats what i was thinking. i think they go S or D line bc they need a pass rusher and archuleta was benched so S should be ttempting.

Skins won't be selecting a RB since they have a 1st rd pick and then nothing until Round 5. RB isn't their priority. Defensive line and secondary is their problem.

Motion
02-06-2007, 02:00 PM
Skins won't be selecting a RB since they have a 1st rd pick and then nothing until Round 5. RB isn't their priority. Defensive line and secondary is their problem.

:eek: Yikes, I didn't realize that. Sucks for them.