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dan the fin
02-01-2007, 03:19 PM
Kevin Kolb
QB, Houston

War Room analysis
Arm strength: Has a strong arm but didn't have many chances to show it in Houston's short-passing offense. Makes all the throws, and puts great zip on downfield passes. When rolling out, makes deep throws on a rope. Grade: 8.0

Accuracy/delivery: Is surprisingly accurate on short passes and intermediate-to-deep routes. When feet are set and strides into throws, puts passes of any length on the money. Grade: 8.0

Field vision: Sees the field on almost every play. When trying to find an open receiver on one side of the field, can come back and make a throw to a backside receiver without hesitation. Grade: 8.0

Running ability: Is a good athlete with experience as a runner, both to avoid the rush and to scramble out of the pocket. Often buys time and makes plays because of feet. Grade: 6.5

Intangibles: Carried Houston's offense, consistently showing the leadership and toughness to win games his team had no business winning. Has something special that causes teammates to rally around him and play at a higher level. Grade: 8.0

Bottom line: Kolb was a frustrating prospect for much of his college career before showing improved decision-making skills as a senior and drastically improving his NFL stock. Kolb must adjust to a more traditional pro-style offense, but he can become a great NFL starter who can make big plays with his cannon arm and nimble feet.

With everyone talking about Stanton, which if u ever watched him play a lot, u might not even want him in the 3rd round let alone the 2nd. I think Kolb would be the better pick. He has all the physical attributes that u look for in a QB biggest knock on this guys seems to be that he played in a short pass Off. But other then that he is physicly there. I think he would be the best for a 2nd round QB, if there some people say he very well may go in the first if he impresses during the combine or private workouts.

Motion
02-01-2007, 03:22 PM
Kevin Kolb
QB, Houston

War Room analysis
Arm strength: Has a strong arm but didn't have many chances to show it in Houston's short-passing offense. Makes all the throws, and puts great zip on downfield passes. When rolling out, makes deep throws on a rope. Grade: 8.0

Accuracy/delivery: Is surprisingly accurate on short passes and intermediate-to-deep routes. When feet are set and strides into throws, puts passes of any length on the money. Grade: 8.0

Field vision: Sees the field on almost every play. When trying to find an open receiver on one side of the field, can come back and make a throw to a backside receiver without hesitation. Grade: 8.0

Running ability: Is a good athlete with experience as a runner, both to avoid the rush and to scramble out of the pocket. Often buys time and makes plays because of feet. Grade: 6.5

Intangibles: Carried Houston's offense, consistently showing the leadership and toughness to win games his team had no business winning. Has something special that causes teammates to rally around him and play at a higher level. Grade: 8.0

Bottom line: Kolb was a frustrating prospect for much of his college career before showing improved decision-making skills as a senior and drastically improving his NFL stock. Kolb must adjust to a more traditional pro-style offense, but he can become a great NFL starter who can make big plays with his cannon arm and nimble feet.

With everyone talking about Stanton, which if u ever watched him play a lot, u might not even want him in the 3rd round let alone the 2nd. I think Kolb would be the better pick. He has all the physical attributes that u look for in a QB biggest knock on this guys seems to be that he played in a short pass Off. But other then that he is physicly there. I think he would be the best for a 2nd round QB, if there some people say he very well may go in the first if he impresses during the combine or private workouts.

Who are these people? I'd love to read there reasoning.

I'd be very disappointed if took this guy even close to that high. 3rd round at best IMO.

dan the fin
02-01-2007, 03:38 PM
Who are these people? I'd love to read there reasoning.

I'd be very disappointed if took this guy even close to that high. 3rd round at best IMO.
This people are called draft experts and get payed a lot more then me or u to watch and scout players and I am not talking a fan that can start a draft web site. This scouting report is from Sporting news Draft war room, which is not there Free stuff, u have to pay for it. The even have him rated as the #2 QB ahead of Quinn, but in the Mock they believe Quinn will go higher because of hype but feel that Kolb is physically more gifted. Kolb is one of those QB that was highly rated out of high school that did not produce as fast as expected intill this last year.

FINSFAN2781
02-01-2007, 03:40 PM
Kolb or Stanton would be a good choice. Id rather have Stanton. However looking at the reality, theres a chance Quinn could drop to #9. I hope he doesnt because i dont want him. I have a feeling somehow Quinn will be drafted the Fins and will be our future QB.

Motion
02-01-2007, 03:47 PM
This people are called draft experts and get payed a lot more then me or u to watch and scout players and I am not talking a fan that can start a draft web site. This scouting report is from Sporting news Draft war room, which is not there Free stuff, u have to pay for it. The even have him rated as the #2 QB ahead of Quinn, but in the Mock they believe Quinn will go higher because of hype but feel that Kolb is physically more gifted. Kolb is one of those QB that was highly rated out of high school that did not produce as fast as expected intill this last year.

:lol: Thanks for the details. Sporting News, huh? Interesting. BTW, no need to get all defensive, generally when posting a profile like that a link helps. :wink:

WPBtoRNOFinFan
02-01-2007, 03:59 PM
I'd prefer Jeff Rowe in the later rounds....

CANDolphan
02-01-2007, 04:08 PM
Pioli and his people have Kolb as a 3rd rounder, considering a decent combine.

Id love to know what people have him going in the first round as well

jason8er
02-01-2007, 04:12 PM
In Mobile, the so called experts all wanted to see Kolb's pocket presence, and vertical game. From what they say, he's been in the shotgun throwing 10 yard passes since high school. I didn't see the Senior Bowl, so, did he show anything?

Motion
02-01-2007, 04:15 PM
In Mobile, the so called experts all wanted to see Kolb's pocket presence, and vertical game. From what they say, he's been in the shotgun throwing 10 yard passes since high school. I didn't see the Senior Bowl, so, did he show anything?

I didn't think so personally. Not in the game anyway, none of the south Qbs looked good. Practice may be a different story but this is definitely the first time I've heard him mentioned even remotely close to the 1st round.

nick1
02-01-2007, 04:30 PM
he's a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd at best

SR 7
02-01-2007, 04:30 PM
This people are called draft experts and get payed a lot more then me or u to watch and scout players and I am not talking a fan that can start a draft web site. This scouting report is from Sporting news Draft war room, which is not there Free stuff, u have to pay for it. The even have him rated as the #2 QB ahead of Quinn, but in the Mock they believe Quinn will go higher because of hype but feel that Kolb is physically more gifted. Kolb is one of those QB that was highly rated out of high school that did not produce as fast as expected intill this last year.

if im not mistakening, they said kolb donest have hte arm to even PLAY in the NFL during Sr bowl week.

nick1
02-01-2007, 04:32 PM
if im not mistakening, they said kolb donest have hte arm to even PLAY in the NFL during Sr bowl week.

thats the knock on him but strengh isn't the most important thing in the world, accuracy is and he has that

chewski
02-01-2007, 05:13 PM
He's a shot gun gunslinger. 3rd or 4rth round at best, may not transform into the nfl style QB.. I read about him months ago and thought he would be a good fit, but I say if we somehow land another late 3rd rd pick or early 4th, I would consider him based on decision making and arm strength.

adamprez2003
02-01-2007, 05:16 PM
I'm rooting for Kolb, Edwards, Rowe or Gutierrez. Nothing before the 3rd. I think we might go with Stanton in the 2nd though

Hardpoint
02-01-2007, 05:21 PM
Thanks for that post. I don't follow college, so it's nice to get some detail on these guys. Your analysis seems very thorough and he sounds like a solid pick...if he's still around.

Rubbin420
02-01-2007, 05:40 PM
Kolb is the guy that Mat Mayock is endorsing this year. Remember what he did for Cutler.

I think he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but all QBs did except Smith.

I hope he makes this QB class a little more exciting.

Aqua and Orange
02-01-2007, 06:01 PM
I keep hearing that Kolb could be this year's Jay Cutler. I think I need to see his workout numbers before I can say that. I know that he was supposed to be a good person to watch in the Senior Bowl though.

VT Dolphan
02-01-2007, 06:41 PM
Kolb is the guy that Mat Mayock is endorsing this year. Remember what he did for Cutler.

I think he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but all QBs did except Smith.

I hope he makes this QB class a little more exciting.

I remember watching all the NFL Networks coverage of the combine and everything else draft related and just got so sick of Mayock and his man-crush on Cutler. Just like Phillip Rivers a few years ago, Cutler was supposed to be there when we picked and then all of a sudden his stock skyrockets because of hype. With that said, I wouldn't draft Kolb any earlier than the fourth, and thats assuming we don't draft a qb earlier. I don't see him making that transition from Shotgun offense to pro-style very easily.

adamprez2003
02-01-2007, 07:25 PM
Any comparison to Cutler is ridiculous. Cutler had virtually zero risk of being a bust. Kolb is a classic boom or bust pick. Could definitely blossom if you're patient with him but then again might never amount to anything

sabansuxithard
02-01-2007, 07:34 PM
If we draft Stanton, the dolphins better be well rehearsed in the Heimlich maneuver, cuz under pressure, well, he CHOKES.:D

VT Dolphan
02-01-2007, 07:38 PM
Any comparison to Cutler is ridiculous. Cutler had virtually zero risk of being a bust. Kolb is a classic boom or bust pick. Could definitely blossom if you're patient with him but then again might never amount to anything

I would say that Cutler was very far from a sure thing last year. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have gotten him and he did have an impressive half-season. But to say that the guy had no risk is a little bit of a stretch IMO. Lets see that success translate over a whole season before we judge him too much.

adamprez2003
02-01-2007, 07:59 PM
I would say that Cutler was very far from a sure thing last year. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to have gotten him and he did have an impressive half-season. But to say that the guy had no risk is a little bit of a stretch IMO. Lets see that success translate over a whole season before we judge him too much.

Certainly evry QB has the potential to bust. I'm just saying that Cutler had very little. Kolb in comparison has far more bust potential and that's why he'll be drafted so much later.

Finsfan1984
02-01-2007, 09:42 PM
Kolb is the guy that Mat Mayock is endorsing this year. Remember what he did for Cutler.

I think he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but all QBs did except Smith.

I hope he makes this QB class a little more exciting.

Dont know why you thought Smith was so impressive in the Senior Bowl? He was disapointing to me, i thought he made a lot of bad throws, especially early on, his team kept bailing him out. He underthrew some and was simply inaccurate consistant wise throughout the game. The few games i saw him, and they were few i will admit, he was inaccurate alot.

I thought Stanton had an excellent game with the exception of the INT in the end zone. He was accurate, showed good poise in the pocket and showed mobility. IMO!!

utahphinsfan
02-01-2007, 10:50 PM
I'd prefer Jeff Rowe in the later rounds....

Kolb would be okay but Rowe is my preference as well.

phinphan896
02-01-2007, 11:00 PM
if im not mistakening, they said kolb donest have hte arm to even PLAY in the NFL during Sr bowl week.
someone needs spellcheck:wink:

Paul Mad ScotPZ
02-02-2007, 05:12 AM
Kolbs Pracrice notes for Mobile

Monday (1/22/07): Saying Kolb got off to a slow start would be an understatement. On his first rep during seven-on-seven drills, he dropped the snap. After picking up the ball, he just flung it downfield, which resulted in a pick. He held onto the ball so long on his third rep that San Francisco offensive coordinator Norv Turner finally yelled "throw the ball." In fact, nothing seemed to go right for Kolb. Though he later dropped a pass over the linebacker and in front of the corner, DB Aaron Ross closed well and snatched the ball out of WR Dallas Baker's hands.

Tuesday (1/23/07): Kolb bounced back Tuesday after looking a bit overwhelmed Monday. Kolb lacks elite speed, but his quickness and athletic ability can be seen on his drops and when he moves his feet to buy extra time in the pocket. Kolb made a couple of poor decisions in practice, but some of that can be chalked up to communication errors with his receivers in just the second day working with one another. Otherwise, Kolb was more decisive and he seemed to have more confidence in his throws. He displayed excellent touch on the deep ball today, including the last throw of practice when standout WR Dwayne Bowe misjudged it and came up empty.

Wednesday (1/24/07): Kolb has improved each day, which is good to see. He still is a bit too erratic for our liking, but he has settled down considerably from earlier in the week. Kolb has adequate-to-good arm strength and flashes the ability to fit the ball into some tight spots. He was especially impressive during red-zone drills late in the practice session, as his ability to move outside the pocket, force the run-pass option and throw on the run were really highlighted. Kolb has established himself as the best quarterback prospect on the North squad, ahead of Chris Leak and Jordan Palmer.



SUMMARY Kolb started the week slow but showed improvement in each practice. He displays developmental qualities, including adequate size and a good combination of arm strength and mobility. However, he can be too erratic in terms of his accuracy and decision making. Kolb comes from a spread system at the collegiate level and he will need some extra time to transition in the NFL. If anything, Kolb improved his draft stock slightly throughout the week-long process. Overall, he emerged as the best quarterback prospect on the South roster and the third best quarterback prospect in this year's Senior Bowl -- behind Drew Stanton (Michigan State) and Troy Smith (Ohio State).

FinaticalOne
02-02-2007, 08:45 AM
Kevin Kolb
QB, Houston

War Room analysis
Arm strength: Has a strong arm but didn't have many chances to show it in Houston's short-passing offense. Makes all the throws, and puts great zip on downfield passes. When rolling out, makes deep throws on a rope. Grade: 8.0

Accuracy/delivery: Is surprisingly accurate on short passes and intermediate-to-deep routes. When feet are set and strides into throws, puts passes of any length on the money. Grade: 8.0

Field vision: Sees the field on almost every play. When trying to find an open receiver on one side of the field, can come back and make a throw to a backside receiver without hesitation. Grade: 8.0

Running ability: Is a good athlete with experience as a runner, both to avoid the rush and to scramble out of the pocket. Often buys time and makes plays because of feet. Grade: 6.5

Intangibles: Carried Houston's offense, consistently showing the leadership and toughness to win games his team had no business winning. Has something special that causes teammates to rally around him and play at a higher level. Grade: 8.0

Bottom line: Kolb was a frustrating prospect for much of his college career before showing improved decision-making skills as a senior and drastically improving his NFL stock. Kolb must adjust to a more traditional pro-style offense, but he can become a great NFL starter who can make big plays with his cannon arm and nimble feet.

With everyone talking about Stanton, which if u ever watched him play a lot, u might not even want him in the 3rd round let alone the 2nd. I think Kolb would be the better pick. He has all the physical attributes that u look for in a QB biggest knock on this guys seems to be that he played in a short pass Off. But other then that he is physicly there. I think he would be the best for a 2nd round QB, if there some people say he very well may go in the first if he impresses during the combine or private workouts.

This remains to be seen. His Senior Bowl week performance was pretty poor. He hurt his stock last week. He has a long way to go.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/features/seniorbowl/reports/review.html

JAXDOLPHAN
02-02-2007, 09:17 AM
In Mobile, the so called experts all wanted to see Kolb's pocket presence, and vertical game. From what they say, he's been in the shotgun throwing 10 yard passes since high school. I didn't see the Senior Bowl, so, did he show anything?

Bad...very bad. Jordan Palmer looked better than he did.

Motion
02-02-2007, 09:39 AM
Kolb is the guy that Mat Mayock is endorsing this year. Remember what he did for Cutler.

I think he disappointed in the Senior Bowl, but all QBs did except Smith.

I hope he makes this QB class a little more exciting.

Stanton was clearly the best QB at the Senior Bowl.

Stitches
02-02-2007, 09:52 AM
Stanton was clearly the best QB at the Senior Bowl.

Yea, he started out slow, but looked much better as the week went on.

dan the fin
02-02-2007, 04:00 PM
Well I was not saying I wanted him or not I was just passing on the info. I for one have only seen him play a couple times. The one QB that worrys me though is Stanton, he has all the phsical talent but none of the intagables that I have seen. Being a Mich fan and big ten fan, I have seen him a lot and all I can think about is how clueless he has looked on the field just no leadership Qualities at all. I think at times he has looked as if he was not even sure he was playing QB maybe he thought he was a Wr or somthing.

phins3454
02-02-2007, 06:10 PM
Kevin Kolb played in a wussy offence


Drew Stanton has a better arm and is more athletic

colmax
02-03-2007, 11:55 AM
I'd much rather see Trent Edwards in a Miami uni.....