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Prime Time
02-04-2007, 01:54 AM
I figured we should get this Thread underway to get some predictions in and just some general talk about the squads and the directions they are headed in. The game is this Wednesday, 02-07-07 at 9:25 PM.....

I pick the US to win 2-1.... :yes:

I'll be looking at Jimmy Conrad in the Defense to see If he can continue to impress like he did in last summer's World Cup. Other players that are on the US Roster that where on last year's WC Team are Defenders Carlos Bocanegra, Chris Albright ( Sideshow Bob :lol: ) Midfielders Clint Dempsey, Bobby Convey, Pablo Mastroeni, Forwards Eddie Johnson, Landon Donovan and Goal Keeper Tim Howard.


Can't wait to get into the heated debates with Totore and Quelonio and the rest of the Mexican Fans against us USA fans here on FH....always fun :D



http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=406395&cc=5901

TotoreMexico
02-04-2007, 01:58 AM
Mexico 1 - 0

¡Vamos Mexico!:mexico:

Prime Time
02-04-2007, 02:14 AM
Mexico 1 - 0

¡Vamos Mexico!:mexico:

I know you are located in Mexico, but I will just announce for the other Soccer Fans located in South Florida....The Orange Bowl will once again host games for this year's Gold Cup in June. :yes: It'll host Group 3's games (God I hope US is in that group!)...I remember going to the US vs Brazil game in the Orange Bowl in 03 in the Gold Cup. Real exciting game. US was winning 1-0 with a Bocanegra goal. But in the end we lost in Golden Goal ET on a PK...:nono: but I remembering the little USA Group we had in the 1st section trying to out cheer the Brazilian Fans. Muchoooo fun....nothing compares...

ckb2001
02-04-2007, 03:34 AM
Man, since that disappointing WC, I haven't paid any attention to the USMNT. Maybe I'll watch this game.. we'll see.

Cool Calm Mike
02-04-2007, 03:38 AM
Is the game on TV?

Prime Time
02-04-2007, 01:20 PM
Man, since that disappointing WC, I haven't paid any attention to the USMNT. Maybe I'll watch this game.. we'll see.

They haven't played much or done much of anything.....


Is the game on TV?

Of course. I believe ESPN 2 and If you understand Spanish I think it will be on Telemundo. Spanish Coverage >>>>> ESPN Coverage ....x100

finsmx
02-04-2007, 05:13 PM
México has to win, there's no excuse.

Hugo is not fooling around calling up a B team, he's calling up all the big names.

Most of the WC squad with the additions of: Mexican T.O. (Blanco), Bofo Bautista, Nery Castillo, among others.

Of course this team includes all the "Mexican legion" in Europe (Marquez, Pardo, Osorio, Salcido)

México wins of course, anyone willing to bet some PhinBucks? :wink:

ckb2001
02-04-2007, 05:24 PM
México has to win, there's no excuse.

Hugo is not fooling around calling up a B team, he's calling up all the big names.

Most of the WC squad with the additions of: Mexican T.O. (Blanco), Bofo Bautista, Nery Castillo, among others.

Of course this team includes all the "Mexican legion" in Europe (Marquez, Pardo, Osorio, Salcido)

México wins of course, anyone willing to bet some PhinBucks? :wink:

Hehe, I think I have a lot more than you do, so I could force you to go into negative if I win? :lol:

finsmx
02-04-2007, 05:42 PM
:lol: If the Colts lose then I'm pretty much screwed, if they win I'm in

MARINO1384
02-04-2007, 06:10 PM
USA wins 2-1 after coming out witha chip on thier shoulder after a disappointing world cup. Whatever happens US Vs Mexico games are always exciting and good games.

BadAzzDolfan213
02-04-2007, 06:35 PM
Being soccer is the best sport in the world and because my parents are Mexican, this is the only time i root for Mexico/Chivas to beat USA. This is about the only sport Mexico has the clear advantage vs USA. Soccer ain't the most exciting sport at times but it will always be the best! NFL by far is the most exciting.

Prime Time
02-05-2007, 01:28 AM
Being soccer is the best sport in the world and because my parents are Mexican, this is the only time i root for Mexico/Chivas to beat USA. This is about the only sport Mexico has the clear advantage vs USA. Soccer ain't the most exciting sport at times but it will always be the best! NFL by far is the most exciting.

Mexico has the clear advantage??? It is obvious you don't watch Soccer. USA has won like 5 of the last 6 meetings between the two.

TotoreMexico
02-05-2007, 01:35 AM
Mexico has the clear advantage??? It is obvious you don't watch Soccer. USA has won like 5 of the last 6 meetings between the two.

That's about to change:evil:

Prime Time
02-05-2007, 04:10 AM
That's about to change:evil:

:rolleyes: I wouldn't bet on that. But again this US Squad is probably considered a B- or C+ US Squad...while Mexico are bringing their B+, maybe even A squad out there. It'll be interesting none the less and should be exciting to watch.

Prime Time
02-06-2007, 03:19 PM
About 24 hours till game time. :yes:

ChrisKo
02-06-2007, 03:28 PM
It will be a replay of the last time I saw the US vs Mexico game at the Cotton Bowl. US 1 - 0 Mex

http://media.www.qcknightnews.com/media/storage/paper564/news/2004/05/04/Sports/Usa-1.Mexico.Nil.0-678181.shtml?sourcedomain=www.qcknightnews.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

unluckyluciano
02-06-2007, 03:35 PM
They haven't played much or done much of anything.....



Of course. I believe ESPN 2 and If you understand Spanish I think it will be on Telemundo. Spanish Coverage >>>>> ESPN Coverage ....x100
I'm hearings its on Univision. Don't know how true it is though.

edit: usa 2 mexico 1.

Prime Time
02-06-2007, 03:37 PM
I'm hearings its on Univision. Don't know how true it is though.

Hmm might be...I'll look into that.

FINdestructible
02-07-2007, 01:09 PM
I'm not a big soccer fan, but i do stand by me country's teams wherever or whatever they might be playing, GO USA!!!

I would like to see some of those Hot Mexican babes on TV though! :D

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 01:48 PM
I'm not a big soccer fan, but i do stand by me country's teams wherever or whatever they might be playing, GO USA!!!

I would like to see some of those Hot Mexican babes on TV though! :D

You should try and watch the game tonight. I'm going to be leaving work early to watch it. USA vs Mexico is like Fins vs Jets (rivalry wise). Always a great game to witness.

ChrisKo
02-07-2007, 07:06 PM
A little over 3 hours away!!!!

unluckyluciano
02-07-2007, 07:11 PM
A little over 3 hours away!!!!
**** Ill be at school. :fire:

Section126
02-07-2007, 07:51 PM
Here is my prediction...

USA 34
Mexico 1

The US will bring Mia Hamm onto the pitch to score the last 6 goals just to rub it in.

Seriously guys...anybody got the lineups? The starting squads?

I can't find it anywhere. I hope we get to see the two squads as close to full strength as can be.

finsmx
02-07-2007, 09:11 PM
Mexico's probable lineup:

1.- Osvaldo Sanchez
4.- Rafael Marquez
3.- Carlos Salcido
2.- Ricardo Osorio
21.- Jaime Lozano
8.- Gonzalo Pineda
6.- Pavel Pardo
7.- Alberto Medina
11.- Nery Castillo
10.- Cuauhtemoc Blanco
9.- Jared Borgetti

I don't know about you guys

Cool Calm Mike
02-07-2007, 09:15 PM
USA! USA! USA!

Clint Dempsey will score a goal tonight.

finsmx
02-07-2007, 09:17 PM
Game sold out, good to know

CHICAGO (Feb. 7, 2007) — The U.S. Men's National Team match-up against Mexico on Wednesday (Feb. 7) at the University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Ariz., is sold out. Ticket sales for the game surpassed 60,000 late on Tuesday evening, guaranteeing a sell out in the 52nd all-time meeting between the USA and Mexico in international soccer. Fans are encouraged to arrive to the match early and to carpool to the stadium in order to help alleviate congestion.

The match is the first for new U.S. head coach Bob Bradley against the USA’s fiercest rival and will be played on the first international fixture date of 2007. The game will be broadcast live on ESPN2 and Univision beginning at 7 p.m. MT. Fans can also follow the match live online via ussoccer.com’s MatchTracker, and listen in Spanish-language on Futbol de Primera.

Link (http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/viewArticle.jsp_281682.html)

King Felix
02-07-2007, 09:21 PM
México has to win, there's no excuse.

Hugo is not fooling around calling up a B team, he's calling up all the big names.

Most of the WC squad with the additions of: Mexican T.O. (Blanco), Bofo Bautista, Nery Castillo, among others.

Of course this team includes all the "Mexican legion" in Europe (Marquez, Pardo, Osorio, Salcido)

México wins of course, anyone willing to bet some PhinBucks? :wink:ill bet 300

dont worry i got some in the bank

edit:wtf nvm none in bank

edit2:oh yah i spent it on north carolina

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 09:31 PM
Mexico's probable lineup:

1.- Osvaldo Sanchez
4.- Rafael Marquez
3.- Carlos Salcido
2.- Ricardo Osorio
21.- Jaime Lozano
8.- Gonzalo Pineda
6.- Pavel Pardo
7.- Alberto Medina
11.- Nery Castillo
10.- Cuauhtemoc Blanco
9.- Jared Borgetti

I don't know about you guys

That's a pretty good lineup. As far as I can tell, the US is not coming out with anywhere near its best lineup. We won't have the Euro players as far as I know. So, if you guys lose this one... man that will be something you'll be reminded of many times in the future! :evil:

Based on the line-up, Mexico should be favored, but Bradley probably took notes as an assistant to Arena on how to play Mexico (problem is Arena was a better tactician than Bradley ever was, but Bradley's teams are usually counter-attacking teams, so that's good), so I'm hoping for the best.

Anyway, go USA!! (still not too up for this game though.. that WC disaster is still in my mind. I mean it just shows how weak both the US and Mexico are compared to the big teams!)

TotoreMexico
02-07-2007, 09:59 PM
Mexico! Mexico! Mexico!:D

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 10:04 PM
That's cool what the announcer said. US-Mexico (in the US) is the only time the home team tries to take the crowd out of it because most in the crowd are Mexican-Americans rooting for Mexico :lol:

finsmx
02-07-2007, 10:07 PM
ill bet 300

dont worry i got some in the bank

edit:wtf nvm none in bank

edit2:oh yah i spent it on north carolina

:chuckle:

Maybe some other time


That's a pretty good lineup. As far as I can tell, the US is not coming out with anywhere near its best lineup. We won't have the Euro players as far as I know. So, if you guys lose this one... man that will be something you'll be reminded of many times in the future! :evil:

Based on the line-up, Mexico should be favored, but Bradley probably took notes as an assistant to Arena on how to play Mexico (problem is Arena was a better tactician than Bradley ever was, but Bradley's teams are usually counter-attacking teams, so that's good), so I'm hoping for the best.

Anyway, go USA!! (still not too up for this game though.. that WC disaster is still in my mind. I mean it just shows how weak both the US and Mexico are compared to the big teams!)

No doubt, a loss here is inexcusable (sp?)

BTW looks like Nery Castillo won't be playing tonight after all

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 10:18 PM
Mexico has their A team. US has 5 "stars" and the rest are MLSers trying to make a case for future games.

I got off of work 2 hours earlier then I was suppose to, just to watch this game. Lets get it started!

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 10:19 PM
finxmx, how about a 50 Phin dollars bet? If it's a tie, neither wins.

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 10:21 PM
O'sayyyyyyy

TotoreMexico
02-07-2007, 10:24 PM
Mexico has their A team. US has 5 "stars" and the rest are MLSers trying to make a case for future games.

I got off of work 2 hours earlier then I was suppose to, just to watch this game. Lets get it started!

Already with the excuses?

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 10:24 PM
Here we goooooooooooooo

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 10:25 PM
Already with the excuses?

No excuses. I am expecting us to win regardless. If we do...we'll be bragging for till the WC :)

TotoreMexico
02-07-2007, 10:26 PM
No excuses. I am expecting us to win regardless. If we do...we'll be bragging for till the WC :)

If you lose, "oh, it wasn't our A team":rolleyes:

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 10:32 PM
Borgetti already getting fiesty....what a shocker :rolleyes:

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 10:36 PM
US starting to open it wide...

TotoreMexico
02-07-2007, 10:36 PM
Yellow card

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 10:37 PM
Undeserved yellow IMO. Unless the ref is really consistent.

TotoreMexico
02-07-2007, 11:12 PM
Jared was close!:eek:

Roman529
02-07-2007, 11:14 PM
0-0 first half Zzzzzzzzzzz...... :wink:

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:14 PM
Yeah, but otherwise scrappy half. Not much to report except this new guy Bornstein might turn out to be pretty good. I don't know him yet and will have to check him out. Also, the field is too slippery eh?

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 11:15 PM
Decent half. Donovan needs to get more involved. Bornstein looks shaky back there and Rolfe has got to be substituted for. This game they are allowing 6 subs each so I expect Rolfe and Bornstein out.

finsmx
02-07-2007, 11:15 PM
finxmx, how about a 50 Phin dollars bet? If it's a tie, neither wins.

Sorry man, I was away for the first half, If you still wanna bet some finbucks I've got more in the bank just let me know

finsmx
02-07-2007, 11:16 PM
Decent half. Donovan needs to get more involved. Bornstein looks shaky back there and Rolfe has got to be substituted for. This game they are allowing 6 subs each so I expect Rolfe and Bornstein out.

That Bornstein dude is good, really fast

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:17 PM
Sorry man, I was away for the first half, If you still wanna bet some finbucks I've got more in the bank just let me know

Hehe, sure why not. It's still 0-0. 50 fine with you?

Amars
02-07-2007, 11:20 PM
I thought this game was going to be played in the US. BTW Donovan has to step up more.

finsmx
02-07-2007, 11:20 PM
Hehe, sure why not. It's still 0-0. 50 fine with you?

I'm in.

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:21 PM
I thought this game was going to be played in the US. BTW Donovan has to step up more.

It's in Arizona. But, as usual most of those in attendance are rooting for Mexico.

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 11:38 PM
0-0 first half Zzzzzzzzzzz...... :wink:

:rolleyes:

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:39 PM
1-0!!!!!!!!!!! Usa

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 11:39 PM
Goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalazo Conrad!

Cool Calm Mike
02-07-2007, 11:39 PM
GOAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!

Jimmy Conrad!!!

1-0 USA!!!!!

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 11:40 PM
:woot: Oh my god....

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 11:47 PM
Donovan...like a Mustang...switching gears...and he got knocked down...yellow card

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:49 PM
They're saying Rolfe might come out soon and EJ will come in. That would be great, since Rolfe isn't playing well.

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:50 PM
EJ in!!

Prime Time
02-07-2007, 11:51 PM
Like I said...Rolfe wasn't doing much out there. In comes Eddie Johnson :up:

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:52 PM
Yeah, Rolfe was playing bad, but you're wrong about Bornstein. That guy shows some potential.

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:54 PM
OMG.. the Mexicans are having chance after chance after chance!!

Man, we gotta do something.

ckb2001
02-07-2007, 11:55 PM
Great!! Albright out. Let's all remember Albright was only in there since Cherundolo wasn't here. Albright should not even start on our B team.

Cool Calm Mike
02-07-2007, 11:58 PM
Should be a great last 20 minutes.

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:01 AM
Convey should've finished that....no excuse not to.

Roman529
02-08-2007, 12:14 AM
USA 1 Mex 0 :eek:

Just finished watching UNC beat Puke.

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:15 AM
US needs to control it in the midfield some more instead of lettin Mexico get attack after attack...thats where a Claudio Reyna is missing ....

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:16 AM
Where have the Mexican Fans gone in this thread???? They did a Casper it seems and went ghost....:lol:

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:16 AM
USA 1 Mex 0 :eek:

Just finished watching UNC beat Puke.

Remember, US won 6 out of last 7 and the one we didn't win was a tie. So, from a recent historical point of view, this is expected. The difference right now is we have a new coach, our players are not in the middle of their season, and we don't have a good number of our best players. Furthermore, most in the audience are pro-Mexican.

So, that's why I'd say this game is special. Anyway, less than 5 minutes to go.
:D

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:17 AM
2-0 !!!!!!!!! Donovan!!!

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:17 AM
Golazoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Donovan Just Shooke That Mofo!

Roman529
02-08-2007, 12:17 AM
LANDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 12:18 AM
WOWWOWOW!

LANDON DONOVAN seals the victory!

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:19 AM
2-0 in WC qualifying, 2-0 in the WC, and once again 2-0!!! Sorry man, we are simply the better team!

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 12:19 AM
That Mexican goalie is a punk.

Roman529
02-08-2007, 12:19 AM
What did the Mexican goalkeeper do? :confused:

finsmx
02-08-2007, 12:20 AM
That Mexican goalie is a punk.

Yes that was classless

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:20 AM
Dirty *** player....US has this in the bag. How sweet would a 3rd goal be??

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 12:21 AM
What did the Mexican goalkeeper do? :confused:

He tried to cheap shot Eddie Johnson after Landon Donovan scored.

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:21 AM
At some point, many of those Mexican-Americans are going to start rooting for the US.

Roman529
02-08-2007, 12:22 AM
At some point, many of those Mexican-Americans are going to start rooting for the US.

You mean California? :lol:

finsmx
02-08-2007, 12:22 AM
Terrible game by México, same old crap mistakes everywhere :shakeno:

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:22 AM
2-0! Sorry finsmx :D Anyway, I've seldom seen a game where one team had so many chances and never finished any of them. Still, your coach is in trouble.

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 12:23 AM
USA rules!

2-0 Final. Goals by Jimmy Conrad and Landon Donovan.

Roman529
02-08-2007, 12:24 AM
When are the qualifications for the World Cup? :confused:

King Felix
02-08-2007, 12:24 AM
nice play after the play by the goalie :rolleyes:

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 12:25 AM
When are the qualifications for the World Cup? :confused:

I think it starts next year.

finsmx
02-08-2007, 12:25 AM
2-0! Sorry finsmx :D Anyway, I've seldom seen a game where one team had so many chances and never finished any of them. Still, your coach is in trouble.

I don't think the coach is in trouble, the team played well, it's just the same story, we don't have finishers up there, decent at best forwards won't cut it.

Omar Bravo sucks big efin time I can't stand that guy

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:25 AM
When are the qualifications for the World Cup? :confused:

They probably haven't decided yet. But they'll put it in neutral locations where fans of the other team have a harder time getting to. For example, up in Boston or Columbus.

King Felix
02-08-2007, 12:26 AM
:chuckle:

Maybe some other time



No doubt, a loss here is inexcusable (sp?)

BTW looks like Nery Castillo won't be playing tonight after alli won money on from school anyways

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:26 AM
Terrible game by México, same old crap mistakes everywhere :shakeno:

This game was without Onyewu, Cherundolo, Beasley etc.

You guys better get it together If you want to take #1 in the Concacaf in WC Qualifiers

finsmx
02-08-2007, 12:28 AM
This game was without Onyewu, Cherundolo, Beasley etc.

You guys better get it together If you want to take #1 in the Concacaf in WC Qualifiers

We will don't you worry :wink:

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 12:29 AM
I don't think the coach is in trouble, the team played well, it's just the same story, we don't have finishers up there, decent at best forwards won't cut it.

Omar Bravo sucks big efin time I can't stand that guy

Actually I take that back. I have seen a game where one team couldn't finish many chances, and those chances were far more dangerous than we saw from Mexico and occurred many times more. The only time the US won over Brazil (off a fluke goal and off a performance by Keller that Romario called the greatest by a goalkeeper he's ever seen) was such a game.

As far as your coach is concerned, the American announcers were saying he was hired now so that they could possibly fire him before WC qualifications begin if he can't deliver. I mean Sanchez has been saying he can do this much better than previous coaches. Well, I have no real opinion on it, but whatever is best for your team that's what should happen.

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 12:29 AM
Wow...since I was so happy about what happen with Donovan's goal...I was jumping up and down...I didn't see what Sanchez tried to do to Johnson. That warrants a suspension.

King Felix
02-08-2007, 12:30 AM
:victory:

:flag:

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 12:34 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/images/imported/2007/02/american20flag20picture-1.jpg

finsmx
02-08-2007, 12:35 AM
Actually I take that back. I have seen a game where one team couldn't finish many chances, and those chances were far more dangerous than we saw from Mexico and occurred many times more. The only time the US won over Brazil (off a fluke goal and off a performance by Keller that Romario called the greatest by a goalkeeper he's ever seen) was such a game.

As far as your coach is concerned, the American announcers were saying he was hired now so that they could possibly fire him before WC qualifications begin if he can't deliver. I mean Sanchez has been saying he can do this much better than previous coaches. Well, I have no real opinion on it, but whatever is best for your team that's what should happen.

I hear you but I seriously doubt Hugo gets fired, I think he will get the same chance as Lavolpe did.

The only way I see him getting fired is if the team starts playing like crap in the qualifications just like when Enrique Meza was in charge.

Cool Calm Mike
02-08-2007, 01:07 AM
http://www.finheaven.com/clear.gif

Look what I made, isn't it lovely?

ChrisKo
02-08-2007, 01:47 AM
Hugo will get fired once they lose their first WC qualifier. I just got back from the Pub and that was a great game. First have lacked excitement, but man that second half was great. I was so glad that Tim Howard finished with the clean sheet, he started scaring me around the 70th minute.

Landon is still an overrated punk that needs to step up, but at least he made a play tonight. We really need better strikers than Landon. We really need someone that isn't afraid to blast a shot at the keeper from 25-30 yards out. As I think PrimeTime mentioned, we greatly need someone to control the midfield better. We definitely miss Claudio and I might even say Caligiuri (yes, it's been years, but we need someone like him to step up).

Section126
02-08-2007, 02:51 AM
Hugo will get fired once they lose their first WC qualifier. I just got back from the Pub and that was a great game. First have lacked excitement, but man that second half was great. I was so glad that Tim Howard finished with the clean sheet, he started scaring me around the 70th minute.

Landon is still an overrated punk that needs to step up, but at least he made a play tonight. We really need better strikers than Landon. We really need someone that isn't afraid to blast a shot at the keeper from 25-30 yards out. As I think PrimeTime mentioned, we greatly need someone to control the midfield better. We definitely miss Claudio and I might even say Caligiuri (yes, it's been years, but we need someone like him to step up).



I think once they get Beasley back and they unleash Twellman and Eddie Johnson...we might have something...

Landons future on this team cannot be as a striker.

BTW..is it me...or does Clint Dempsey just play in 10 second bursts?



"The mexican fans live in a permanent state of denial."- Coby Jones :lol:

9 games in a row in the USA without a goal. NINE. Forget Azteca stadium...that is like what Wynalda said...nobody can win there..it is unfair advantage since you basically end up playing only 10 minutes while they get all the calls for 90, due to the altitude.

The US OWNS Mexico.

TotoreMexico
02-08-2007, 01:04 PM
Golazoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Donovan Just Shooke That Mofo!

Yeah, great play by the ref:rolleyes:

Section126
02-08-2007, 01:25 PM
Yeah, great play by the ref:rolleyes:

:lol: :sidelol:

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 01:50 PM
Yeah, great play by the ref:rolleyes:

The Ref is part of the field. Don't be so bitter. I know its tough to swallow...since 2000 you guys haven't beaten us on our "home" turf. We are 7-0-1... (1 tie..) With the goals scored in those games....13-0...:0wned:

TotoreMexico
02-08-2007, 01:54 PM
The Ref is part of the field. Don't be so bitter. I know its tough to swallow...since 2000 you guys haven't beaten us on our "home" turf. We are 7-0-1... (1 tie..) With the goals scored in those games....13-0...:0wned:

LMAO

Since when the ref is part of the field? so the players can step on him or what?

finsmx
02-08-2007, 02:11 PM
LMAO

Since when the ref is part of the field? so the players can step on him or what?


:lol:

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 02:14 PM
Hugo will get fired once they lose their first WC qualifier. I just got back from the Pub and that was a great game. First have lacked excitement, but man that second half was great. I was so glad that Tim Howard finished with the clean sheet, he started scaring me around the 70th minute.

Landon is still an overrated punk that needs to step up, but at least he made a play tonight. We really need better strikers than Landon. We really need someone that isn't afraid to blast a shot at the keeper from 25-30 yards out. As I think PrimeTime mentioned, we greatly need someone to control the midfield better. We definitely miss Claudio and I might even say Caligiuri (yes, it's been years, but we need someone like him to step up).

Donovan did step up yesterday. He was playing out of position. They had him as a Forward with Rolfe which isn't his natural position. Landon is more of an attacking midfielder. Playing behind the Forwards is what he is best at. He was pretty much a ghost in the 1st half, and did nothing. But the 2nd half, his game came together. Maybe you didn't (maybe you did) notice...but Landon came back to Defend by the 18 and stopped 2 or 3 shots by Mexican players. His game picked up from there. Even Eric Wynalda noticed it...he said exactly what I just said in the post game show. I was glad someone else saw Donovans hard work.

Tim Howard and Jimmy Conrad had A+ games. Howard kept his composure and didn't get rattled by the numerous attempts on goal.

Mastroeni had a couple of mess ups, one that I thought was going to cost us a goal but thankfully it didn't. Besides that he did his usual Udonis Haslem - Blue Collar work. Defending in the midfield...slowing down attacks, and passing tha ball quickly.

Convey and Dempsey. Convey continues to impress me. I don't know what we are going to do come 2010. But we have to find a way to have Beasley and Convey on the field at the same time without putting one on the right side like Arena attempted last year against Czech Republic in the WC. Convey should've put that one away however where he was 1 on 1 with Sanchez. As for Dempsey. He has the moves and the skill but yesterday he would only appear once in a while. He has good technique as we could see yesterday...I think just starting to play in Europe affected him but who knows. He'll be fine though.

And yes we do miss Reyna. We weren't controlling the midfield which is why Mexico kept attacking so much. I'd be shocked if Bradley doesn't call John O'Brien to attempt to play in Reyna's position in our next match.

Bocanegra was solid. Johnson needs to start impressing again, because right now he isn't making chances for himself.

finsmx
02-08-2007, 02:46 PM
Marcelo Balboa was doing some commentary last night with the Mexican media, and let me tell you the guy is really good, he speaks fluent spanish and really knows what he's talking about.

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 02:47 PM
LMAO

Since when the ref is part of the field? so the players can step on him or what?

Funny how you didn't mention anything about how you guys have ben owned by us on our turf...even though half of the time, it is your turf.

And no you can't step on him but just like in Football. He is part of the field. It isn't like he's passing the ball to the US...it just hit him.

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 02:59 PM
I think once they get Beasley back and they unleash Twellman and Eddie Johnson...we might have something...

Landons future on this team cannot be as a striker.

BTW..is it me...or does Clint Dempsey just play in 10 second bursts?



"The mexican fans live in a permanent state of denial."- Coby Jones :lol:

9 games in a row in the USA without a goal. NINE. Forget Azteca stadium...that is like what Wynalda said...nobody can win there..it is unfair advantage since you basically end up playing only 10 minutes while they get all the calls for 90, due to the altitude.

The US OWNS Mexico.


Never been much a fan of Twellman, and still waiting for EJ to be consistent in his form (though he's far and away our most talented striker, which is depressing when you think about that).

Dempsey isn't in form right now. Don't worry about him.

And remember, 3 of our 4 top guys on the back line are in Europe, so we were missing our major defenders too.

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 04:39 PM
Never been much a fan of Twellman, and still waiting for EJ to be consistent in his form (though he's far and away our most talented striker, which is depressing when you think about that).

Dempsey isn't in form right now. Don't worry about him.

And remember, 3 of our 4 top guys on the back line are in Europe, so we were missing our major defenders too.

Yeah me neither. I didn't get a chance to get to Sections post. I agree with you about Taylor and EJ. I think EJ can be a good forward for us If he can start putting it together. If he can impress this summer, maybe he'll head to Europe...something he's been wanting to do.

3 of our top 4 guys??? I count 2. Onyewu and Cherundolo. Who's the 4th???

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 04:46 PM
Yeah me neither. I didn't get a chance to get to Sections post. I agree with you about Taylor and EJ. I think EJ can be a good forward for us If he can start putting it together. If he can impress this summer, maybe he'll head to Europe...something he's been wanting to do.

3 of our top 4 guys??? I count 2. Onyewu and Cherundolo. Who's the 4th???

Jonathan Spector, who is potentially the best of the 4, not now of course, but in 2-3 years. Also, it's worth noting that we will finally have depth at RB soon, since Marvel Wynne is the perfect complement to Cherundolo.

What concerns me about the US isn't our future backline or goalie, it's the other positions. While we may like guys like Donovan or so, they really just don't cut it at the top level. The first prospect (and don't forget about this guy) that may actually have the talent we need is Adu. We're just so thin at forward and while deep in midfield, it's deep in guys that are not great, just moderately good.

Well, we'll see what happens. At least MLS isn't dying, which is a start.

Prime Time
02-08-2007, 07:03 PM
Jonathan Spector, who is potentially the best of the 4, not now of course, but in 2-3 years. Also, it's worth noting that we will finally have depth at RB soon, since Marvel Wynne is the perfect complement to Cherundolo.

What concerns me about the US isn't our future backline or goalie, it's the other positions. While we may like guys like Donovan or so, they really just don't cut it at the top level. The first prospect (and don't forget about this guy) that may actually have the talent we need is Adu. We're just so thin at forward and while deep in midfield, it's deep in guys that are not great, just moderately good.

Well, we'll see what happens. At least MLS isn't dying, which is a start.

Spector...eh. He is potential. I am not saying he is bad, but as of now I do not consider him one of our Top 4 or even 5 backs. I'd rate Onyewu, Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Conrad and Gibbs better then him.

ckb2001
02-08-2007, 07:41 PM
Spector...eh. He is potential. I am not saying he is bad, but as of now I do not consider him one of our Top 4 or even 5 backs. I'd rate Onyewu, Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Conrad and Gibbs better then him.

Yeah, he is potential, but if you had to bet whether he'll be a starter on our backline in 2010, I think the odds are greater he will be starting than not.

Why the optimism? First of all, he won the award for best youth player in Man U's youth academy and most who win that turn out to be good. Also, he's already been capped by the USMNT, and he's currently starting at West Ham, which will serve as a first stepping stone. Anyway, right now, he's coming off a freak injury so he's out of the picture, but I'm willing to bet some Phin bucks he'll be a starter on our back line come 2010.

Prime Time
02-09-2007, 01:03 PM
Yeah, he is potential, but if you had to bet whether he'll be a starter on our backline in 2010, I think the odds are greater he will be starting than not.

Why the optimism? First of all, he won the award for best youth player in Man U's youth academy and most who win that turn out to be good. Also, he's already been capped by the USMNT, and he's currently starting at West Ham, which will serve as a first stepping stone. Anyway, right now, he's coming off a freak injury so he's out of the picture, but I'm willing to bet some Phin bucks he'll be a starter on our back line come 2010.

By then we will all be millionaires and won't need to bet anything as we will have bought the whole story. :lol: I'll be down to bet a couple hundred on If he plays this Summer.

ckb2001
02-09-2007, 02:51 PM
By then we will all be millionaires and won't need to bet anything as we will have bought the whole story. :lol: I'll be down to bet a couple hundred on If he plays this Summer.

This summer is tough. Remember, he's coming off an injury. But, we can bet 100 on whether he plays in at least 2 games this year (considering how easy it is to earn Phin dollars, this is nearly a no-risk bet).

In any case, once this guy becomes a regular, you'll see what I mean. See, Onyewu is very good, but he doesn't really help the attack much. Spector has the ability to jump-start the attack in addition to good defense (even if half of that is still potential).

ChrisKo
02-09-2007, 03:41 PM
LMAO

Since when the ref is part of the field? so the players can step on him or what?

Yes, they could, but if you want the ref on your side, I'd recommend not doing that. I ref'd for about 12 years and the official is considered part of the field and balls off the ref are live and there are plenty of players that use the ref as a screen too.

Prime Time
02-10-2007, 02:31 PM
Yes, they could, but if you want the ref on your side, I'd recommend not doing that. I ref'd for about 12 years and the official is considered part of the field and balls off the ref are live and there are plenty of players that use the ref as a screen too.

:0wned:
:lol: You just owned him like Donovan owned Sanchez!

Just Playing Totore ;)

Prime Time
02-10-2007, 02:55 PM
This summer is tough. Remember, he's coming off an injury. But, we can bet 100 on whether he plays in at least 2 games this year (considering how easy it is to earn Phin dollars, this is nearly a no-risk bet).

In any case, once this guy becomes a regular, you'll see what I mean. See, Onyewu is very good, but he doesn't really help the attack much. Spector has the ability to jump-start the attack in addition to good defense (even if half of that is still potential).

I haven't seen him play more than a couple times so I wouldn't know if he can create attacks....we shall see though.

Quelonio
02-11-2007, 11:25 PM
While I am not happy with how the mexican team played, I certainly can't say that you should be happy with how the US team played either...

Both teams look light years away from their best level. US was not even a shell of that 2002 team, and Mexico... I mean they did not play a great game but it is like they just underestimate US every single time, it is the biggest rivalry in the region and those idiots play it like it is any other game... I thought that was supposed to end with damn Hugo as the coach.

(and to the ones that say that Hugo will be fired soon, there is no way he will even though I would love for him to be fired, he would have to have a meltdown of Enrique Meza level before anyone could start to even mention firing him)

Prime Time
02-12-2007, 01:58 AM
While I am not happy with how the mexican team played, I certainly can't say that you should be happy with how the US team played either...

Both teams look light years away from their best level. US was not even a shell of that 2002 team, and Mexico... I mean they did not play a great game but it is like they just underestimate US every single time, it is the biggest rivalry in the region and those idiots play it like it is any other game... I thought that was supposed to end with damn Hugo as the coach.

(and to the ones that say that Hugo will be fired soon, there is no way he will even though I would love for him to be fired, he would have to have a meltdown of Enrique Meza level before anyone could start to even mention firing him)

US didn't have all of its stars and had a pretty young team out there. It was expected for them not to play as well as one could imagine.

Quelonio
02-13-2007, 07:27 PM
US didn't have all of its stars and had a pretty young team out there. It was expected for them not to play as well as one could imagine.
Regardless of that it still was not a well played game... you know it and I know it. MExico needs a lot of work, but US needs even more, and hell do they need a new coach, Bradley seemed like a step back

(we need a new coach, but that ain't happening)

ckb2001
02-13-2007, 09:20 PM
Regardless of that it still was not a well played game... you know it and I know it. MExico needs a lot of work, but US needs even more, and hell do they need a new coach, Bradley seemed like a step back

(we need a new coach, but that ain't happening)

Quelonio, it's not just that the US didn't have many of its big names. MLS isn't even in season, meaning most of our players were out of shape, unlike your guys. Also, we started some young guys that had almost no caps (like that Bornstein guy - glad I got to see him.. some good young blood).

And we not only have a new coach, he's just an interim coach, meaning the program is a bit in disarray.

So, given all that, the US did OK. Yes, we need work, but more work than Mexico? Definitely not (though our team will change a lot more than yours over the next 4 years due to change in styles and more young guys becoming regulars than during the last cycle).

Quelonio
02-14-2007, 01:56 AM
Quelonio, it's not just that the US didn't have many of its big names. MLS isn't even in season, meaning most of our players were out of shape, unlike your guys. Also, we started some young guys that had almost no caps (like that Bornstein guy - glad I got to see him.. some good young blood).

And we not only have a new coach, he's just an interim coach, meaning the program is a bit in disarray.

So, given all that, the US did OK. Yes, we need work, but more work than Mexico? Definitely not (though our team will change a lot more than yours over the next 4 years due to change in styles and more young guys becoming regulars than during the last cycle).

Oh no, it is a given that we need something, I mean the European players, which should have dominated sleepwalked through the game, it is clear that we lack a true striker, and while Blanco played a good game, the people around him did not really rally around enough to actually allow him to connect. (Clearly Guardado should have started the game, and... it pains me to say this, but Ochoa should have started over Sanchez... since he is going through a better moment).

I mean I am excited about this era basically because I still have to see Vela and Giovanni come in both of them would actually fill in the holes that we have right now (striker and a good connection between midfield and the striker).

Now granted I don't know this US team enough. But besides the defensive strength and Howard being a secure goalkeeper... what did you see in your team that made you feel comfortable about the near future? At times your team was erased by a clearly underachieving mexican team. Granted in the end this clearly underachieving mexican team made too many mental mistakes which allowed you to run away with the victory. But this was hardly a promising showing by either of the two teams. PErsonally I would not feel comfortable with a team that lacks midfield... the US has absolutely no midfield, none at all, they don't recover balls, they don't feed the strikers... just no midfield. Will it improve with Beasley in there, I sure hope so, but it looks like it is a deeper problem than just one star player. Donovan is alright (in his own underachieving way, I mean he should be much better and much more of a problem than what he is) and this kid that you find interesting, I personally found that he was simply erased... vanished. By a defensive group that played awful (Marquez and Salcido where dissappointing and God knows why Hugo insists on playing Osorio out of position, he should switch salcido and Osorio).

To be honest we lost. But I would have a hard time saying that we played worse than you did, What I saw was two really mediocre teams. And I personally see your midfield as a bigger trouble than any of ours.

ckb2001
02-14-2007, 03:25 AM
Oh no, it is a given that we need something, I mean the European players, which should have dominated sleepwalked through the game, it is clear that we lack a true striker, and while Blanco played a good game, the people around him did not really rally around enough to actually allow him to connect. (Clearly Guardado should have started the game, and... it pains me to say this, but Ochoa should have started over Sanchez... since he is going through a better moment).

I mean I am excited about this era basically because I still have to see Vela and Giovanni come in both of them would actually fill in the holes that we have right now (striker and a good connection between midfield and the striker).

Now granted I don't know this US team enough. But besides the defensive strength and Howard being a secure goalkeeper... what did you see in your team that made you feel comfortable about the near future? At times your team was erased by a clearly underachieving mexican team. Granted in the end this clearly underachieving mexican team made too many mental mistakes which allowed you to run away with the victory. But this was hardly a promising showing by either of the two teams. PErsonally I would not feel comfortable with a team that lacks midfield... the US has absolutely no midfield, none at all, they don't recover balls, they don't feed the strikers... just no midfield. Will it improve with Beasley in there, I sure hope so, but it looks like it is a deeper problem than just one star player. Donovan is alright (in his own underachieving way, I mean he should be much better and much more of a problem than what he is) and this kid that you find interesting, I personally found that he was simply erased... vanished. By a defensive group that played awful (Marquez and Salcido where dissappointing and God knows why Hugo insists on playing Osorio out of position, he should switch salcido and Osorio).

To be honest we lost. But I would have a hard time saying that we played worse than you did, What I saw was two really mediocre teams. And I personally see your midfield as a bigger trouble than any of ours.

Mexico probably played better, yes (though the win is more important).

As for what made me feel good, how can you feel good about anything the US or Mexico is showing out there after we were put in our places after the WC!!

Both the US and Mexico really proved we are at best a 2nd round team (if you get into a good group) and getting there isn't even assured. So, there's not much to be happy about.

What's needed is simply a higher level of talent. I think Howard will do fine at goalkeeper. For a central defender, Onyewu should do fine, and I really have high hopes for Spector. Within the next 3-4 years, we'll probably finally see Adu make a mark. But, seriously, the problem with the US is we have mostly moderately good players (with depth in midfield and understaffed at forward) and almost none that could get on a higher-level team. Maybe those four are it as far as potential is concerned.

So, no there isn't much to be proud of. Seriously, winning a US-Mexico match doesn't say much at all anymore (it says far less for Mexico though, since you guys keep losing).

Prime Time
02-14-2007, 01:13 PM
Regardless of that it still was not a well played game... you know it and I know it. MExico needs a lot of work, but US needs even more, and hell do they need a new coach, Bradley seemed like a step back

(we need a new coach, but that ain't happening)

Oh without question US needs work. But they were missing DaMarcus Beasley, Oguchi Onyewu, Steve Cherundolo, Corey Gibbs and even Kasey Keller.

I agree about the US needing a new coach though....but again he is just an interim coach.

Like Ckb said..a lot of the guys out there had little or no caps and to win in that atmosphere was an amazing task. Bornstein (although he struggled in the 1st Half) showed off his skill and speed (damnnn he is fast) and that he could potentially be our future LB.

Prime Time
02-14-2007, 01:17 PM
Mexico probably played better, yes (though the win is more important).

As for what made me feel good, how can you feel good about anything the US or Mexico is showing out there after we were put in our places after the WC!!

Both the US and Mexico really proved we are at best a 2nd round team (if you get into a good group) and getting there isn't even assured. So, there's not much to be happy about.

What's needed is simply a higher level of talent. I think Howard will do fine at goalkeeper. For a central defender, Onyewu should do fine, and I really have high hopes for Spector. Within the next 3-4 years, we'll probably finally see Adu make a mark. But, seriously, the problem with the US is we have mostly moderately good players (with depth in midfield and understaffed at forward) and almost none that could get on a higher-level team. Maybe those four are it as far as potential is concerned.

So, no there isn't much to be proud of. Seriously, winning a US-Mexico match doesn't say much at all anymore (it says far less for Mexico though, since you guys keep losing).

We need more talent up front. Johnson looked like the solution to our problem when he first player for us but then he started to fall off. Hopefully he can regain his old form. Donovan, Beasley, Convey, Dempsey and Mastroeni seems like a dangerous Midfield to me. We just have to find a way to get them all out there and stop playing Donovan as a Forward.

ckb2001
02-14-2007, 06:10 PM
We need more talent up front. Johnson looked like the solution to our problem when he first player for us but then he started to fall off. Hopefully he can regain his old form. Donovan, Beasley, Convey, Dempsey and Mastroeni seems like a dangerous Midfield to me. We just have to find a way to get them all out there and stop playing Donovan as a Forward.

Those five plus a few more (including Johnson) are dangerous to 3rd tier and some 2nd tier teams. But, they just don't have the talent to seriously compete in the WC. Problem is, there aren't too many in the youth systems that even might have that talent I can think of.

However, if we're content with the level of a Donovan or Beasley, then I think we'll have many more such guys come 2010. Depth in midfield was achieved from 2002-2006, and depth at the few remaining weak positions (left back especially, target forward and in general at forward position, and maybe right back) can be achieved by 2010.

The problem is quality, not quantity now (one has to admit though, we DID have a quantity problem before Arena and now very little of one. Whatever Arena can be blamed for, his way of constantly changing the lineup but keeping the same system did give us depth we didn't have before).

Prime Time
02-14-2007, 08:34 PM
Those five plus a few more (including Johnson) are dangerous to 3rd tier and some 2nd tier teams. But, they just don't have the talent to seriously compete in the WC. Problem is, there aren't too many in the youth systems that even might have that talent I can think of.

However, if we're content with the level of a Donovan or Beasley, then I think we'll have many more such guys come 2010. Depth in midfield was achieved from 2002-2006, and depth at the few remaining weak positions (left back especially, target forward and in general at forward position, and maybe right back) can be achieved by 2010.

The problem is quality, not quantity now (one has to admit though, we DID have a quantity problem before Arena and now very little of one. Whatever Arena can be blamed for, his way of constantly changing the lineup but keeping the same system did give us depth we didn't have before).

Well If you are expecting us to get a Zidane, Ronaldo, Cannavaro etc. then don't expect us to be getting one any time soon. I do believe that sooner or later we will eventually get a couple of those star caliber players but not yet. However, in 2002 we didn't have amazing stars but we where a goal away from playing in The Final Four against a Korean team which we tied earlier in the tourney and had we beaten them we would have been in the finals. We have the talent to go far..we just have to have the lucky bounces as well.

TotoreMexico
02-14-2007, 08:41 PM
Yes, they could, but if you want the ref on your side, I'd recommend not doing that. I ref'd for about 12 years and the official is considered part of the field and balls off the ref are live and there are plenty of players that use the ref as a screen too.

The ref could have avoided the ball, he was just too damn slow...

Prime Time
02-14-2007, 09:45 PM
The ref could have avoided the ball, he was just too damn slow...

Oh please. It isn't the first time a ball hits the ref and it won't be the last.

TotoreMexico
02-14-2007, 09:51 PM
Oh please. It isn't the first time a ball hits the ref and it won't be the last.

Talk about luck:rolleyes:

ckb2001
02-15-2007, 01:09 AM
Talk about luck:rolleyes:

Is luck a bad thing? :tongue: (besides we would have almost certainly won anyway without that - in fact don't you realize that last goal was done FOR Mexican fans? This way you can blame the ref!! :wink:)

ckb2001
02-15-2007, 01:13 AM
Well If you are expecting us to get a Zidane, Ronaldo, Cannavaro etc. then don't expect us to be getting one any time soon. I do believe that sooner or later we will eventually get a couple of those star caliber players but not yet. However, in 2002 we didn't have amazing stars but we where a goal away from playing in The Final Four against a Korean team which we tied earlier in the tourney and had we beaten them we would have been in the finals. We have the talent to go far..we just have to have the lucky bounces as well.

One good thing in 2010 is it's NOT in Europe! I don't know what the psychological factor is, but we simply don't play well there. And the probability we end up in another group of death (or near-death) is obviously low.

So, all in all, we should have a better Cup (but it still looks like a 2nd round at best team realistically speaking until we have the talent, though of course that doesn't mean we don't get lucky :wink: ).

Quelonio
02-15-2007, 01:56 AM
One good thing in 2010 is it's NOT in Europe! I don't know what the psychological factor is, but we simply don't play well there. And the probability we end up in another group of death (or near-death) is obviously low.

So, all in all, we should have a better Cup (but it still looks like a 2nd round at best team realistically speaking until we have the talent, though of course that doesn't mean we don't get lucky :wink: ).

2012 and it still might get done in Europe, dunno how the south africans are doing in the getting ready but I remember reading that if they are not ready they could move the cup somewhere else, obviously a European country would get a faster look at since they are better prepared stadium wise than any other country out there.

ckb2001
02-15-2007, 02:08 AM
2012 and it still might get done in Europe, dunno how the south africans are doing in the getting ready but I remember reading that if they are not ready they could move the cup somewhere else, obviously a European country would get a faster look at since they are better prepared stadium wise than any other country out there.

IF S. Africa can't get its act together, then it's likely the US will be a frontrunner. I think there's a tacit agreement that Europe holds the WC every other time, and the US is probably the only country that could host that on the fly.

Prime Time
02-15-2007, 04:28 AM
I'd love for it to be in the US. But I definately think it will be in South Africa.

In other news...US has been drawn in a Group with Argentina, Paraguay and Colombia for the Copa America.

Mexico is with Brazil, Ecuador and Chile.

The other group consists of the home team Venezuela, Uruguay, Bolivia and Peru :woot:

TotoreMexico
02-15-2007, 11:38 AM
Is luck a bad thing? :tongue: (besides we would have almost certainly won anyway without that - in fact don't you realize that last goal was done FOR Mexican fans? This way you can blame the ref!! :wink:)

I'm not blaming the ref for the loss, I'm blaming him for that particular goal