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uga3406
02-04-2007, 01:49 PM
:dolphins: i have thought about this for awhile and imo the phins should think about dealing the # 9 pick. one thing this team needs is young players and adding a extra draft pick maybe in the 2nd or 3rd rounds would be great.i think at the 9 pick u can get a lot of different players that r all great but none r really that slam dunk choice...i be happy with the phins drafting ginn but at 9 that is a reach to some degree...then u move on to okoye from l'ville, great player but does this need another dl when fred evansand manny and rod wright have not been given a fair shot...u can take hall there but im confident in daniels and will allen for now at cb plus jason allen might shift over to cb...u can take levi brown there, great pick not quite the sexy pick every 1 wants but it would help ,god knows the ol stinks..maybe jarrett or gaines adams r still there but what im getting at they r all great in there own right and most likely all of them can defintely help this team but who to pick out of these players for the 9 pick..such a hard decision i would say some 1 else get that headache and trade and move back to say anywhere from 15-20..i bet u get a extra pick wich in the end would help and maybe ricky is traded to for say 4th or 5th rd ..ever better ! this team has got to get young and better ..what better way of doing it then in the draft with your new coach and every 1 behind him all at the same time...

fastball83
02-04-2007, 01:58 PM
right with you on that ! collect maximum pick and take latter a solid LB and a solid center, we can improve our LT in FA (experience is a must at this position IMO).

Pocoloco
02-04-2007, 02:15 PM
Having another second would be wonderful. I think at least one good linebacker will slip that far, like a Pozlusky, Willis, Everett or Siler. There also should be very promising tackles there too, like Stanton, Ugoh and Free.

Question is, who would we trade down with is such an off year? Someone has really got to fall in love with a player that will be available at #9.

hellsapoppin
02-04-2007, 02:22 PM
:dolphins: i have thought about this for awhile and imo the phins should think about dealing the # 9 pick. one thing this team needs is young players and adding a extra draft pick maybe in the 2nd or 3rd rounds would be great.i think at the 9 pick u can get a lot of different players that r all great but none r really that slam dunk choice...i be happy with the phins drafting ginn but at 9 that is a reach to some degree...then u move on to okoye from l'ville, great player but does this need another dl when fred evansand manny and rod wright have not been given a fair shot...u can take hall there but im confident in daniels and will allen for now at cb plus jason allen might shift over to cb...u can take levi brown there, great pick not quite the sexy pick every 1 wants but it would help ,god knows the ol stinks..maybe jarrett or gaines adams r still there but what im getting at they r all great in there own right and most likely all of them can defintely help this team but who to pick out of these players for the 9 pick..such a hard decision i would say some 1 else get that headache and trade and move back to say anywhere from 15-20..i bet u get a extra pick wich in the end would help and maybe ricky is traded to for say 4th or 5th rd ..ever better ! this team has got to get young and better ..what better way of doing it then in the draft with your new coach and every 1 behind him all at the same time... I understand what you are saying but you say there is no guarantee that we would get a for sure thing with our first pick and your right, but there is no guarantee what we would get with our 2nd or 3rd pick either. And as far as Ricky Williams i just don't believe that the Dolphins are going to trade Ricky for a 4th or 5th pick. The value just don't match up. We know pretty much what we get with Ricky, "IF" he is on his game as far as his pass problems I believe he understands what will happen the next time he fails a test. I also believe that Ricky needs money just like we all do. So I have faith that Ricky will do alright when he comes back to the Dolphins. You have got to believe that if Ricky didn't want to come back to the Dolphins then all he has to do is sit back during the Super Bowl game and puff away. then he will fail his next weekly test and football is over with for Ricky. I believe he wants to come back with the Dolphins and he will do good and we Dolfans will be very happy to have him back. Just my Opinion.

JGray20
02-04-2007, 02:31 PM
I really think some teams picking in the teens and below will be enamored by some of the potential players at our level. Baltimore wanting a Jarrett. Carolina wanting either of the receivers. Teams wanting Hall such as New Orleans. Teams seeking the potential of Okoye. I would love to see a midround 14, 15, or 16 trade up to us and we would still be able to pick up Levi Brown and/or someone we like.

One of those linebackers that everyone covets will be at our number two pick, I gaurantee it.

Nick13
02-04-2007, 02:50 PM
i think it'd be a great move. and i also think that Arron Sears will be around in the second round and i think he'll be just as good as the kid from Penn St. if brady quinn falls, the phones will be ringing off the hook.

Pocoloco
02-04-2007, 03:06 PM
i think it'd be a great move. and i also think that Arron Sears will be around in the second round and i think he'll be just as good as the kid from Penn St. if brady quinn falls, the phones will be ringing off the hook.

Yeah, I agree about Quinn. But then again, I think we should ignore those phone calls and draft him ourselves if he slips to 9

JGray20
02-04-2007, 03:14 PM
Yes definitely, only take calls ONCE Quinn has been selected, if he gets to 6, we need to start calling. I hope he falls like Matt Leinart to the Cardinals.

utahphinsfan
02-04-2007, 03:26 PM
I hope that the Rams or Panthers get anxious for whatever reason and want to move up.

Personally, I'd feel better about moving down and drafting Willis or Brown. Getting Spencer (DE/OLB Purdue), an OT (Ugoh/Staley/Free), & Kalil in the 2nd, would be too sweet.

retarmyfinfan
02-04-2007, 03:31 PM
:dolphins: i have thought about this for awhile and imo the phins should think about dealing the # 9 pick. one thing this team needs is young players and adding a extra draft pick maybe in the 2nd or 3rd rounds would be great.i think at the 9 pick u can get a lot of different players that r all great but none r really that slam dunk choice...i be happy with the phins drafting ginn but at 9 that is a reach to some degree...then u move on to okoye from l'ville, great player but does this need another dl when fred evansand manny and rod wright have not been given a fair shot...u can take hall there but im confident in daniels and will allen for now at cb plus jason allen might shift over to cb...u can take levi brown there, great pick not quite the sexy pick every 1 wants but it would help ,god knows the ol stinks..maybe jarrett or gaines adams r still there but what im getting at they r all great in there own right and most likely all of them can defintely help this team but who to pick out of these players for the 9 pick..such a hard decision i would say some 1 else get that headache and trade and move back to say anywhere from 15-20..i bet u get a extra pick wich in the end would help and maybe ricky is traded to for say 4th or 5th rd ..ever better ! this team has got to get young and better ..what better way of doing it then in the draft with your new coach and every 1 behind him all at the same time...

Except for trading your pick is not that easily done. I agree that more picks would be better, but in order to trade somebody has to want what you can get at our spot. I don't think there is anybody that will be at #9 worth trading up for, unless Quinn, Thomas, Russell, or Johnson drop that far. Very unlikely to happen, but you never know.

retarmyfinfan
02-04-2007, 03:33 PM
Yeah, I agree about Quinn. But then again, I think we should ignore those phone calls and draft him ourselves if he slips to 9

Yes.

Jaj
02-04-2007, 03:45 PM
I think it's a terrible move because essentially Peterson, Thomas, Johnson, and probably Jamaal Anderson (or Gaines Adams but not both necessarily) are guaranteed top 8 picks no matter what happens at this point. The other guys even if they are rated higher or lower have scenarios where they could drop to 9.

All it really takes based on what the draft looks like right now is the Redskins taking a defensive end after the Cardinals. Boom, ready or not here comes Branch.

Sean
02-04-2007, 04:18 PM
:dolphins: i have thought about this for awhile and imo the phins should think about dealing the # 9 pick. one thing this team needs is young players and adding a extra draft pick maybe in the 2nd or 3rd rounds would be great.i think at the 9 pick u can get a lot of different players that r all great but none r really that slam dunk choice...i be happy with the phins drafting ginn but at 9 that is a reach to some degree...then u move on to okoye from l'ville, great player but does this need another dl when fred evansand manny and rod wright have not been given a fair shot...u can take hall there but im confident in daniels and will allen for now at cb plus jason allen might shift over to cb...u can take levi brown there, great pick not quite the sexy pick every 1 wants but it would help ,god knows the ol stinks..maybe jarrett or gaines adams r still there but what im getting at they r all great in there own right and most likely all of them can defintely help this team but who to pick out of these players for the 9 pick..such a hard decision i would say some 1 else get that headache and trade and move back to say anywhere from 15-20..i bet u get a extra pick wich in the end would help and maybe ricky is traded to for say 4th or 5th rd ..ever better ! this team has got to get young and better ..what better way of doing it then in the draft with your new coach and every 1 behind him all at the same time...

i agree 100%

Sean
02-04-2007, 04:20 PM
Yes.


yup i think we should draft quinn if he's there, but if someone wants to overpay in players/picks for him, then the fins should pull the trigger



ex like lets say the packers want another qb {i doubt this just an example}


fins give them


9th overall pick


pack give

16th overall

there 2nd rounder

and robert ferguson....


just an example really.

Jaj
02-04-2007, 04:40 PM
yup i think we should draft quinn if he's there, but if someone wants to overpay in players/picks for him, then the fins should pull the trigger



ex like lets say the packers want another qb {i doubt this just an example}


fins give them


9th overall pick


pack give

16th overall

there 2nd rounder

and robert ferguson....


just an example really.

It's possible sure that a team would want to do it. Try the Panthers though, that's a possibility.

PhinGeneral
02-04-2007, 04:47 PM
Supposedly the Buccaneers feel there are 7 elite prospects in this draft. Miami may have more, or they may have less on their board.

I think Miami should let the draft dictate what it should do. Should one of their elite prospects happen to drop to the #9 spot, then they probably should pick him. Extra draft picks are nice, but great players can win you championships. But if those prime prospects aren't there, and their value board won't get drastically effected by moving down some, they should certainly explore that option.

Marino420TD
02-04-2007, 04:59 PM
Not that I necessarily disagree with trading down, if we think it can end up getting us 2-3 players that can contribute instead of just 1.

However, as the 1999 draft shows, trading down can just get you a bunch of bad players.

1999
Rd 2 Pick 8 James Johnson RB Mississippi State
Rd 2 Pick 12 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
Rd 3 Pick 11 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
Rd 5 Pick 1 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
Rd 5 Pick 9 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
Rd 6 Pick 23 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
Rd 7 Pick 26 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
Rd 7 Pick 38 Joe Wong OG BYU

ashraf-23
02-04-2007, 05:13 PM
I wouldn't mind having a pick 9 and drafting Ginn but if we could trade for a higher pick and get Quinn i wouldn't mind that either

Jaj
02-04-2007, 05:14 PM
Not that I necessarily disagree with trading down, if we think it can end up getting us 2-3 players that can contribute instead of just 1.

However, as the 1999 draft shows, trading down can just get you a bunch of bad players.

1999
Rd 2 Pick 8 James Johnson RB Mississippi State
Rd 2 Pick 12 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
Rd 3 Pick 11 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
Rd 5 Pick 1 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
Rd 5 Pick 9 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
Rd 6 Pick 23 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
Rd 7 Pick 26 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
Rd 7 Pick 38 Joe Wong OG BYU

Ya that was just a bunch of crap. Haley in fact turned out to be the only good player in there other than Konrad who had too many concussions:(

Crowder52
02-04-2007, 05:22 PM
Not that I necessarily disagree with trading down, if we think it can end up getting us 2-3 players that can contribute instead of just 1.

However, as the 1999 draft shows, trading down can just get you a bunch of bad players.

1999
Rd 2 Pick 8 James Johnson RB Mississippi State
Rd 2 Pick 12 Rob Konrad RB Syracuse
Rd 3 Pick 11 Grey Ruegamer C Arizona State
Rd 5 Pick 1 Cecil Collins RB McNeese State
Rd 5 Pick 9 Bryan Jones LB Oregon State
Rd 6 Pick 23 Brent Bartholomew P Ohio State
Rd 7 Pick 26 Jermaine Haley DT Butte J.C.
Rd 7 Pick 38 Joe Wong OG BYU

Ouch, that draft hurts my eyes!:boohoo:

uga3406
02-04-2007, 05:25 PM
what the main decision that mueller/cam will half to make come draft lets say quinn is gone by the time the # 9 pick comes and the only other thing to do is to draft your guy at 9 or trade..managment will half to ask themselves do they want quality with that 9 pic or quantity with multiple players...

IluvJuMiami
02-04-2007, 05:40 PM
Having another second would be wonderful. I think at least one good linebacker will slip that far, like a Pozlusky, Willis, Everett or Siler. There also should be very promising tackles there too, like Stanton, Ugoh and Free.

Question is, who would we trade down with is such an off year? Someone has really got to fall in love with a player that will be available at #9.

We've got to hope that Peterson falls to 9 for w/e reason. I think Peterson will be that player that teams in the mid-teens can fall in love with and make a move up for.

Green Bay, for instance, is in dire need of a starting RB and whats more, a star RB. With Favre coming back, Peterson may be the final piece in a puzzle that spells "Playoffs." I'd let Green Bay move up cheap, so as not to let the fish get away, and take a 2 & 5.

At 16 Levi Brown(OT) may still be available, possibly Ted Ginn(WR) or Dwayne Jarret(WR), Lawrence Timmons(OLB), Leon Hall(CB) and definetly several DE's. Though, taking a DE in the first with the other needs our squad has is crazy IMO.