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phinfan88
02-06-2007, 10:18 PM
I know our pick is too high in the 1st to probably pick up LB Patrick Willis but does anyone think we have a shot of gettin him in the 2nd wiht our pick or would our only shot of getting him at his value would be trading down in the 1st?

Caps
02-06-2007, 10:21 PM
No shot in the 2nd IMO. But you never know, I sure as hell didn't think Winston Justice would make it to the 2nd last year. So I guess there's a .1% chance he's there in the 2nd.

Stitches
02-06-2007, 10:28 PM
We'd have a much better chance at Puz or Beason in the 2nd.

VT Dolphan
02-06-2007, 10:28 PM
There is a very, very slim chance that he falls to us in the second. At this point, he grades out as a mid to late first rounder. It really depends on how he performs at the Combine, if he dissapoints then there is a small possibility he could be there. If I remember correctly, Willis isn't exactly a physical freak and probably won't wow scouts at the combine like Manny Lawson did last year. He is a very smart, tackling machine who I think will look better on film than in shorts at the Combine. I could easily see someone like Lawrence Timmons having a nice combine and raising his stock past Willis. If he is there at 40, I would be thrilled to get him...but I doubt it will happen.

Pocoloco
02-06-2007, 10:34 PM
There is a very, very slim chance that he falls to us in the second. At this point, he grades out as a mid to late first rounder. It really depends on how he performs at the Combine, if he dissapoints then there is a small possibility he could be there. If I remember correctly, Willis isn't exactly a physical freak and probably won't wow scouts at the combine like Manny Lawson did last year. He is a very smart, tackling machine who I think will look better on film than in shorts at the Combine. I could easily see someone like Lawrence Timmons having a nice combine and raising his stock past Willis. If he is there at 40, I would be thrilled to get him...but I doubt it will happen.

I see Pozlusky like this too. He might actually be around in the 2nd and I would be thrilled to get him on the team

Da_Franchise
02-06-2007, 10:36 PM
Probably not Willis, I don't see him sliding into the 20's. However it is suspected Posluszny's stock will drop after the combine. This kid is a heck of a player on the field, and some predict him to fall as far as the 3rd round. He could be another Crowder if we can snag him.

Elliott 1
02-06-2007, 10:58 PM
If we want Willis we will have to make a trade to get a mid 1st round pick.
Green Bay would probably be the most likely partner. Guess what it might cost us?

Crunkcore
02-06-2007, 11:06 PM
Most likely Willis won't be there in the 2nd.

SR 7
02-06-2007, 11:16 PM
We'd have a much better chance at Puz or Beason in the 2nd.

poz is a wolb materuial n rated much higher last yr so all this dont come out early talk so u can go higher n make more money is slowly becoming not so smart. many drop n jrs take there spot. kinda like a deja vu thing. i really like spencer tho if hes therree hopefully in the 2nd. we have the 39th or 41st in round 2?

FRESHNESS
02-06-2007, 11:24 PM
I've been an advocate of avoiding Levi in #1, but wouldn't mind seeing Puz in #2. Value-speaking, however, I think that both of our draft positions would be stretching for either player. Paul could have Zac-like stats. Thats how much that he's around the ball. Another work-a-holic. It would be perfect timing for "the changing of the guard" as well.

alen1
02-06-2007, 11:27 PM
poz is a wolb materuial n rated much higher last yr so all this dont come out early talk so u can go higher n make more money is slowly becoming not so smart. many drop n jrs take there spot. kinda like a deja vu thing. i really like spencer tho if hes therree hopefully in the 2nd. we have the 39th or 41st in round 2?

i think its forty

Stitches
02-06-2007, 11:34 PM
I've been an advocate of avoiding Levi in #1, but wouldn't mind seeing Puz in #2. Value-speaking, however, I think that both of our draft positions would be stretching for either player. Paul could have Zac-like stats. Thats how much that he's around the ball. Another work-a-holic. It would be perfect timing for "the changing of the guard" as well.

We have 39th in the 2nd (pick 7, since we picked 9 in round 1).

As for our picks right now of what I want:
1- Brown/Nelson/Landry
2- Puz/Spencer/Meachem/Rice(hope one of these WR slips)
3- An OLB if we don't get one in 2nd, or a CB of good value
4- BPA, hopefully DT unless we don't get WR in the 2nd
6- BPA
7- BPA

VT Dolphan
02-06-2007, 11:47 PM
I've been an advocate of avoiding Levi in #1, but wouldn't mind seeing Puz in #2. Value-speaking, however, I think that both of our draft positions would be stretching for either player. Paul could have Zac-like stats. Thats how much that he's around the ball. Another work-a-holic. It would be perfect timing for "the changing of the guard" as well.

I agree about Puz in the second depending on who is still available. If a guy like Meachem or Rice, or some other highly rated player is still there in the second, i would prefer to go that route but if that isn't the case, I'd be fine with Puz. Injuries have been a problem for him, but when he is healthy he is all over the field. A guy whos play on the field is more impressive than he combine numbers will be.

Stitches
02-06-2007, 11:49 PM
I agree about Puz in the second depending on who is still available. If a guy like Meachem or Rice, or some other highly rated player is still there in the second, i would prefer to go that route but if that isn't the case, I'd be fine with Puz. Injuries have been a problem for him, but when he is healthy he is all over the field. A guy whos play on the field is more impressive than he combine numbers will be.

Actually injuries haven't really been a problem for him. I don't think he's ever missed a start because of injury. He partailly tore his ACL(I think that was the only ligament) in the Sugar Bowl, but he didin't even need surgery for that. The trainers just made him wear the brace for a good amount of games to be safe. That's really the only injury he has had. I wouldn't call that an injury problem.

dominizzo
02-06-2007, 11:51 PM
Probably not Willis, I don't see him sliding into the 20's. However it is suspected Posluszny's stock will drop after the combine. This kid is a heck of a player on the field, and some predict him to fall as far as the 3rd round. He could be another Crowder if we can snag him.


Agree!! i think Pozlusny would be great pick -up!! hed Make ou Lb Core great and Young

colmax
02-07-2007, 12:40 AM
I know our pick is too high in the 1st to probably pick up LB Patrick Willis but does anyone think we have a shot of gettin him in the 2nd wiht our pick or would our only shot of getting him at his value would be trading down in the 1st?

There is no chance that Willis falls into the 2nd, even if he does do poorly at the combines. He had a very good week at the Senior Bowl in practices and in the game by registering 11.5 tackles. The next best on either team had 5. Mike Nolan (49ers HC) said Willis looked better than from what he saw from DeMeco Ryans last year at the Senior Bowl. I have read that Singletary was praising him during practices. Willis also showed very capable skills in coverage that week, which was surprising because he was not asked to do much of that at Ole Miss.

As far as the combines, Willis will probably not wow, but he will not disappoint. I think he will probably rank better than average in most categories. He did weigh in at 240, which means he gained weight (Weighed around 230 during the season) and still played lights out in the Senior Bowl. Posluszny weighed in at 232.

If Willis were to play in a true 4-3 like in college, he will need to gain weight. But Willis is very athletic. He played all 3 LB positions in the Senior Bowl and did well in all. He could keep relatively the same weight and play outside in a 3-4 no problem. Although, most (including myself) think he is a stretch at 9, he would no doubt be a very safe pick there, if not a boring one. Not to say that he would not produce, but there will be "bigger names" on the board at 9. I wish Miami picked around 12+ because I feel that LB is a very high priority need on this team and Willis would be a great pick around those spots.

Kev83
02-07-2007, 03:56 AM
Willis is a LOT like Demeco Ryans, except Willis was a better college LB. He could fall a tad, but not to the 39/40 slot. May sound crazy, but my dream scenario is a stud player dropping to 9 and us trading back a few slots and picking up Willis and an extra 2nd round pick.

Elliott 1
02-07-2007, 04:46 AM
The Colts are going to take Poluzny if the Patriots don't,especially if the colts don't resign Cato June. He won't make it to the second round. If we want one of these top players it's going to cost us, we'll have to take a risk and trade for a higher pick.

South Florida
02-07-2007, 08:59 AM
The combine will put Willis in the top 8-12 picks. Watch.

We should realistically have a shot at one of the following 3 linebackers with our second round pick.

Paul Poluszny (sp?)
Buster Davis
Jon Beason


I'll be honest, I love Patrick Willis and wouldn't be pissed if we used our 9 on him, but landing one of those 3 in the second IS the equivalent of getting a 1st round linebacker in round 2 (maybe with the exception of Beason...he may be worth a two, who knows?)

Stitches
02-07-2007, 09:03 AM
The combine will put Willis in the top 8-12 picks. Watch.

We should realistically have a shot at one of the following 3 linebackers with our second round pick.

Paul Poluszny (sp?)
Buster Davis
Jon Beason


I'll be honest, I love Patrick Willis and wouldn't be pissed if we used our 9 on him, but landing one of those 3 in the second IS the equivalent of getting a 1st round linebacker in round 2 (maybe with the exception of Beason...he may be worth a two, who knows?)

Picking Davis at pick 39 is a bit of an overvalue IMO. He won't be able to play OLB for us. He's smaller than Zach even is, and merely a MLB. The other two would be great picks though (assuming someone like Meachem doesn't fal to 39). You should replace Buster Davis with Anthony Spencer, and that'd be great.

TampaFinsFan01
02-07-2007, 10:19 AM
No shot in the 2nd IMO. But you never know, I sure as hell didn't think Winston Justice would make it to the 2nd last year. So I guess there's a .1% chance he's there in the 2nd.

There is always a player that drops way lower than projected. It happened to W. Justice and Lendale White both were projected first round picks and dropped to the second round.

This is one reason I would be in favor of trading down. I think it would benefit this team to pick have a later first round pick, plus two seconds and two thirds than it would to have the #9 pick, one second and third.

colmax
02-07-2007, 10:35 AM
There is always a player that drops way lower than projected. It happened to W. Justice and Lendale White both were projected first round picks and dropped to the second round.

This is one reason I would be in favor of trading down. I think it would benefit this team to pick have a later first round pick, plus two seconds and two thirds than it would to have the #9 pick, one second and third.

Here is the draft order from NFL.com (don't shoot if it's out of order):

10 Atlanta Falcons 7-9 .457
11 San Francisco 49ers 7-9 .500
12 Buffalo Bills 7-9 .574
13 St. Louis Rams 8-8 .465
14 Carolina Panthers 8-8 .473
15 Pittsburgh Steelers 8-8 .496
16 Green Bay Packers 8-8 .500
17 Jacksonville Jaguars 8-8 .531


I figure that IF Brady Quinn falls to #9, Miami may have a little firepower to work with. I, for one, am not a big Brady Quinn fan, though I am not opposed to picking him. BTW, just heard Quinn may not even make it past #7 on Sportscenter.

Anyway, I believe out of these eight teams, the Panthers and Packers could possibly be candidates for trading down? I really do not know much about other teams' needs. Maybe someone else here could fill us in. But other than Quinn falling to 9, I do not know if any of the other draft picks will garner that much attention.

PewterKrew
02-07-2007, 01:11 PM
Their is no way that Wills will fall out of the top 15 to 20 picks he is the best linebacker in this draft, not to mention a tackling machine that can play both the run and the pass

finfan54
02-07-2007, 01:46 PM
There is no chance that Willis falls into the 2nd, even if he does do poorly at the combines. He had a very good week at the Senior Bowl in practices and in the game by registering 11.5 tackles. The next best on either team had 5. Mike Nolan (49ers HC) said Willis looked better than from what he saw from DeMeco Ryans last year at the Senior Bowl. I have read that Singletary was praising him during practices. Willis also showed very capable skills in coverage that week, which was surprising because he was not asked to do much of that at Ole Miss.

As far as the combines, Willis will probably not wow, but he will not disappoint. I think he will probably rank better than average in most categories. He did weigh in at 240, which means he gained weight (Weighed around 230 during the season) and still played lights out in the Senior Bowl. Posluszny weighed in at 232.

If Willis were to play in a true 4-3 like in college, he will need to gain weight. But Willis is very athletic. He played all 3 LB positions in the Senior Bowl and did well in all. He could keep relatively the same weight and play outside in a 3-4 no problem. Although, most (including myself) think he is a stretch at 9, he would no doubt be a very safe pick there, if not a boring one. Not to say that he would not produce, but there will be "bigger names" on the board at 9. I wish Miami picked around 12+ because I feel that LB is a very high priority need on this team and Willis would be a great pick around those spots.


In the words of Jimma Johnson, hes a football player. Another drop down candidate for us IMO. He could easily play our outside until Zach is gone for good. We need LB's more than any other position on defense IMO if we truly will run a 3-4 most of the time.

colmax
02-07-2007, 03:17 PM
Watch out for Willis' teammate in college, Rory Johnson. He is coming out as a Jr. Had a pretty productive year with 94 tackles playing alongside Willis. Little small for OLB at 6'1"/235. Was a JUCO transfer and only played one year of Div. I. Would probably have been the star MLB for Ole Miss if he decided to stay for his Sr. year. Had 6 games of 10+ tackles. I think he had a sick 16 tackles at Alabama. Could be a steal in the 3rd or 4th with a good combine. Will be in Group 9 (Linebackers) at the combine.

tay0365
02-07-2007, 03:25 PM
If we want Willis we will have to make a trade to get a mid 1st round pick.
Green Bay would probably be the most likely partner. Guess what it might cost us?

:confused: Cost us? Wouldn't it be Greenbay that would have to give us soemthing to move up so high? Not going to happen anyway, but you never know.