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fastball83
02-08-2007, 05:49 PM
I haven't much information on eligible player in france but with information I have it's my sleepers list on RB and WR position for 3 and later round.

RB :

ahmad bradshaw : 6,1 y/r and19 TD :I don't know his college level but that seems very solid

eldra buckley : average par run 5,6 and 7 TD

for back up role they seems correct.

now WR :(we know mueller want speed at this position)

chansi stuckey : 4,42 at 40
steve breaston :4,54
aaron fairooz : 4,54

and another sleepers not fast but seems very solid and could block very weel for a WR : matt trannon

opinions on them ?

SQuinn17
02-08-2007, 06:03 PM
i wouldnt mind stuckey

jdang307
02-08-2007, 06:07 PM
Is johnny lee higgins a sleeper? Isn't he a burner? To me like a poor man's ginn to be had later.

Stitches
02-08-2007, 06:20 PM
Wright, the RB from Fresno State could be a sleepr. Tony Hunt will likely be around in the 3rd, and he could be a very solid back.

Geforce
02-08-2007, 06:26 PM
I haven't much information on eligible player in france but with information I have it's my sleepers list on RB and WR position for 3 and later round.

RB :

ahmad bradshaw : 6,1 y/r and19 TD :I don't know his college level but that seems very solid

eldra buckley : average par run 5,6 and 7 TD

for back up role they seems correct.

now WR :(we know mueller want speed at this position)

chansi stuckey : 4,42 at 40
steve breaston :4,54
aaron fairooz : 4,54

and another sleepers not fast but seems very solid and could block very weel for a WR : matt trannon

opinions on them ?

If it's the one I'm thinking of, Ahmad Bradshaw played for Marshall. He's about 5'11" 190 lb and finished 6th in the nation in rushing. Scored 19 TD rushing and 2 more receiving.
Chansi Stuckley of Clemson cannot really be considered a sleeper because he's on so many people's radar.
Steve Breaston of Michigan will be an assest as a special teamer until he can refine his skills as a WR.

Pocoloco
02-08-2007, 06:41 PM
Germaine Race, the RB out of Pittsburgh St. is a definate sleeper who could do some damage in the NFL. He's a DII guy, but an animal. Late round or undrafted I think.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2007/prospects/germaine_race.html

Pocoloco
02-08-2007, 06:43 PM
David Ball, a 6'3" DII WR out of New Hampshire, has been getting a lot of press here too. Evidently he broke a lot of Jerry Rice's DII records. Wouldn't mind him at all.

I thinking he goes somewhere between round 4 and 6.

RockyMtnPhinfan
02-08-2007, 06:54 PM
Nice post, good to see the aqua and orange blood runs inside international people also. GO PHINS!

Da_Franchise
02-08-2007, 07:18 PM
Sorry there are no sleepers at RB this year. There is barely ANY talent at RB this year. Expect no more than 2 RB's in this draft to make any contributions in the NFL.

Geforce
02-08-2007, 07:19 PM
Sorry there are no sleepers at RB this year. There is barely ANY talent at RB this year. Expect no more than 2 RB's in this draft to make any contributions in the NFL.
No more than 2 to make ANY contributions? Okay.

Da_Franchise
02-08-2007, 07:21 PM
No more than 2 to make ANY contributions? Okay.

Significant contributions that is.

Geforce
02-08-2007, 07:26 PM
Significant contributions that is.
So you are saying that Michael Bush and Kenny Irons won't make any significant contributions to their teams at all? Or Lorenzo Booker cannot do as a 3rd down back what his former running mate is doing for the NYJ?

Da_Franchise
02-08-2007, 07:36 PM
So you are saying that Michael Bush and Kenny Irons won't make any significant contributions to their teams at all? Or Lorenzo Booker cannot do as a 3rd down back what his former running mate is doing for the NYJ?

Michael Bush is one of the few I expect to do much of anything. Even Adrian Peterson is more of a question mark than Bush. Seems all of the "somebody's" still show major question marks. Injuries being a big one. Adrian Peterson has fallen victim to so many freakish accidents, I would be surprised if he got hit be lightning on draft day.

Kenny Irons? This kid lacks just about everything. I'll admit, his vision is superb for a rookie. And he does a great job of changing direction, his cuts are some of the most respectable in this draft. But he is undersized, lacks the speed to be a scat back, has caught the injury bug as well. This guy fails to efficiently come out of the backfield and catch a pass, is below average at making blocks. The only plus on this kid is his natural ability (heart, agility, big-man presence).

Lorenzo Booker? This guy is the epitome of under-achiever. He has a load of physical tools, and should be a great scat back in the NFL. But being incapable at the college level usually translates to incapable at the pro level. Don't get me wrong, he's good. But he isn't great. Few teams in the NFL are seeking a scat back right now, especially one as undersized as he is. Few guys in his position make it in the pro's (Reggie Bush, Warrick Dunn).

This draft is ridiculously weak in the HB position, and because of that some players get more credit than they are worth (Adrian Peterson).

VT Dolphan
02-08-2007, 07:38 PM
Significant contributions that is.

I'm pretty sure that Adrian Peterson will immediately become at least an above average starter by the end of the year, if he were to be drafted by a team with a good o-line (like Addai was last year) I'd say he'd be a serious pro-bowl candidate. But chances are he'll go somewhere with a bad o-line and merely put up solid numbers.

Marshawn Lynch should be the second back taken, and he is just a playmaker pure and simple. Whoever drafts him will be adding a real jack-of-all trades type of back, who could be a poor-mans Marshall Faulk. I'd pencil those two in to make significant contributions next year.

Then there are always guys taken in the later rounds who immediately contribute, even if its just on special teams. Nobody expected Maurice Jones Drew to put up the numbers he did. Running Back is probably the easiest position for college players to make the transition to the NFL, every year there are several rookie RB's who make immediate impacts. I'd be shocked if there weren't this year as well.

Da_Franchise
02-08-2007, 07:47 PM
I'm pretty sure that Adrian Peterson will immediately become at least an above average starter by the end of the year, if he were to be drafted by a team with a good o-line (like Addai was last year) I'd say he'd be a serious pro-bowl candidate. But chances are he'll go somewhere with a bad o-line and merely put up solid numbers.

Marshawn Lynch should be the second back taken, and he is just a playmaker pure and simple. Whoever drafts him will be adding a real jack-of-all trades type of back, who could be a poor-mans Marshall Faulk. I'd pencil those two in to make significant contributions next year.

Then there are always guys taken in the later rounds who immediately contribute, even if its just on special teams. Nobody expected Maurice Jones Drew to put up the numbers he did. Running Back is probably the easiest position for college players to make the transition to the NFL, every year there are several rookie RB's who make immediate impacts. I'd be shocked if there weren't this year as well.

I'd let it slip and say maybe three. But I am under the impression all of the top guys expected to be great, won't be. Lynch, Peterson, or Bush will be a bust. One of them will achieve nothing in the NFL.

VT Dolphan
02-08-2007, 08:10 PM
I'd let it slip and say maybe three. But I am under the impression all of the top guys expected to be great, won't be. Lynch, Peterson, or Bush will be a bust. One of them will achieve nothing in the NFL.

Running back is kind of a different position because I'd say that about 90% of their success is because of the offensive line. I really don't think there is much of a difference between most pro-bowl running backs and your "average" running back (with the exception of LT, he is just a beast). Look at Priest Holmes, he wasn't anything special in Baltimore, comes to Kansas City with Willie Roaf, Brian Waters and co. and took the league by storm a few years back. The opposite happened to Edgerrin James last year. If there are no holes to run through, its hard to pick up yards.

So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those top three backs is considered a bust at first, but if they get a shot on a team with a good o-line then they suddenly won't be busts anymore. Thomas Jones was a bust in Arizona, came to Chicago and has put a few thousand plus yard seasons. So its kind of hard to judge running backs IMO.

Mr772
02-08-2007, 09:28 PM
Is johnny lee higgins a sleeper? Isn't he a burner? To me like a poor man's ginn to be had later.

I'm a big Higgins fan. I think he is a better WR than Ted Ginn but didn't get as much hype as the OSU player. Higgins is not as good as a return man but i think he would be more valuable as a WR than Ginn.

Mr772
02-08-2007, 09:34 PM
Running back is kind of a different position because I'd say that about 90% of their success is because of the offensive line. I really don't think there is much of a difference between most pro-bowl running backs and your "average" running back (with the exception of LT, he is just a beast). Look at Priest Holmes, he wasn't anything special in Baltimore, comes to Kansas City with Willie Roaf, Brian Waters and co. and took the league by storm a few years back. The opposite happened to Edgerrin James last year. If there are no holes to run through, its hard to pick up yards.

So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if one of those top three backs is considered a bust at first, but if they get a shot on a team with a good o-line then they suddenly won't be busts anymore. Thomas Jones was a bust in Arizona, came to Chicago and has put a few thousand plus yard seasons. So its kind of hard to judge running backs IMO.

I don't know if it can all be laid on the shoulders of the O-Line. Look what Ricky did when he came here. He made our lousy O-Line look like super stars.

VT Dolphan
02-08-2007, 10:19 PM
I don't know if it can all be laid on the shoulders of the O-Line. Look what Ricky did when he came here. He made our lousy O-Line look like super stars.

Eh, I think that was more a product of giving him the ball thirty times a game than anything else. But you are right, he did have success behind a pretty bad o-line.

AirMarino83
02-09-2007, 12:42 AM
i dont think higgins will be a sleeper pick. i hear he should go 2nd/3rd round... but, yes i too am high on him and hope he gets picked to be a fin, but theres quite a few more needs than a wr in the 2nd/3rd round.

305finforlife
02-09-2007, 01:31 AM
tyrone moss, dallas baker, & ryan moore

FinNasty
02-09-2007, 01:36 AM
Mike Walker - WR - UCF

The kid is 6'2 200lbs with a frame to add more. And, apparently has been working on his speed... so he might run in the low 4.4s...

The kid just catches the ball... everytime...

playmaker1
02-09-2007, 01:26 PM
Jason Hill WR Washington State. Was projected as a first round pick for part of the seaso. He missed a few games due to injury, but had a good senior bowl. I think he is looked over due to the school, Not sure if he is a "sleeper" but he could be in the 3rd or 4th according to some mocks

Motion
02-09-2007, 02:11 PM
Sorry there are no sleepers at RB this year. There is barely ANY talent at RB this year. Expect no more than 2 RB's in this draft to make any contributions in the NFL.

Thats a pretty ridiculous statement to make. Especially at this point. Sleepers are not predictable for the most part. That statement has no basis.

Crowder52
02-09-2007, 03:06 PM
I'd say Lorenzo Booker could be a sleeper. Not sleeper in the sense that he will become a great RB in the NFL, but I could see him as a nice change of pace back for a team like the NY Giants now that Tiki is gone.

Stitches
02-09-2007, 03:07 PM
I'd say Lorenzo Booker could be a sleeper. Not sleeper in the sense that he will become a great RB in the NFL, but I could see him as a nice change of pace back for a team like the NY Giants now that Tiki is gone.

Wright from Fresno State could end up being solid, and probably won't go until day two or very very late round 3.