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phinaddict3423
02-09-2007, 03:27 PM
Just wanted to pass along an article from today's Miami Herald to those who may not have seen it. Im glad this guy isn't making our pick for us!

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/16657502.htm

playmaker1
02-09-2007, 03:37 PM
SR 7 posted this also. I thinks its interesting, but I don't agree

Pocoloco
02-09-2007, 03:42 PM
When I think about how a player would fit in to the existing offense (or defense), I can see how Ginn Jr. would make a tremendous impact from day 1, even if he doesn't produce right away. In fact, I believe he would make more of an impact for the Dolphins, right away, than any other player (although I still favor drafting Quinn if he is there).

His speed alone demands respect. That means safeties can't inch up and cheat against the run. The have to be conscious of Ginn Jr. flying up the sideline. That should open up the running game a little more, which is our strength at the moment. Ronnie Brown is our best offensive player, and drafting a burner on the outside would help him in many ways.

Drafting Ginn would probably moves Chambers to the slot, where he is more productive anyway. Now you got an all-purpose back, a deep threat, a few possession receivers, and Chambers free to find the seams.

The net result. The offense clicks better, stays on the field, and keeps the defense well-rested. The whole team improves.

And this is all without resorting to a discussion of how many times he catches the ball, or his contribution to special teams. His mere presence would make us better.

Dj Shoj
02-09-2007, 03:42 PM
I actually think that he is RIGHT, fear sometimes can be a powerful weapon(I mean in sports not in goverments) and GINN is all that, Once he's fully polished by our WR coaches the threat will be greater.:evil:

Motion
02-09-2007, 03:43 PM
If this were to happen I hope all the other players stay away from him when he scores. :D

VT Dolphan
02-09-2007, 03:45 PM
Considering he was off on Okoyes weight by almost thirty pounds, I wouldn't consider him the most credible source for draft info.

Dj Shoj
02-09-2007, 03:47 PM
When I think about how a player would fit in to the existing offense (or defense), I can see how Ginn Jr. would make a tremendous impact from day 1, even if he doesn't produce right away. In fact, I believe he would make more of an impact for the Dolphins, right away, than any other player (although I still favor drafting Quinn if he is there).

His speed alone demands respect. That means safeties can't inch up and cheat against the run. The have to be conscious of Ginn Jr. flying up the sideline. That should open up the running game a little more, which is our strength at the moment. Ronnie Brown is our best offensive player, and drafting a burner on the outside would help him in many ways.

Drafting Ginn would probably moves Chambers to the slot, where he is more productive anyway. Now you got an all-purpose back, a deep threat, a few possession receivers, and Chambers free to find the seams.

The net result. The offense clicks better, stays on the field, and keeps the defense well-rested. The whole team improves.

And this is all without resorting to a discussion of how many times he catches the ball, or his contribution to special teams. His mere presence would make us better.

I just want to say AMEN to this:tantrum: !!!!!!!

alen1
02-09-2007, 04:06 PM
I actually think that he is RIGHT, fear sometimes can be a powerful weapon(I mean in sports not in goverments) and GINN is all that, Once he's fully polished by our WR coaches the threat will be greater.:evil:

i agree... i luv ginn and i was on the bandwagon for drafting him but then i took it off. if jarrett was there i wood take him but if he isnt , ginn is the mann

DeDolfan
02-09-2007, 04:23 PM
Just wanted to pass along an article from today's Miami Herald to those who may not have seen it. Im glad this guy isn't making our pick for us!

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/1
6657502.htm

Actually, this is one of the few reports I agree with. I may not with his next story but that's beside the point. I don't agree with the BPA strategy either except later on in the draft perhaps. But, considering the cost to move up and such, I figure we stay put. If so and considering who is most likely to be available, IMO, our biggest need is LT and WR. after that, the DL/LB. With that said, then i would take Levi Brown first. IMO, 13th in rushing ain't quite good enough. What that tells me is that being in the midle of the road, we run well against lower tiered teams which we may beat anyway and probably not so good against better teams in which you need all the help you can get. Anyway, the line is what needs to get solid first. Without that, all the peytons, Harrisons and LTs will not be at their best potential. if brown is gone, then by all means, i would be happy with Ginn.

DeDolfan
02-09-2007, 04:28 PM
When I think about how a player would fit in to the existing offense (or defense), I can see how Ginn Jr. would make a tremendous impact from day 1, even if he doesn't produce right away. In fact, I believe he would make more of an impact for the Dolphins, right away, than any other player (although I still favor drafting Quinn if he is there).

His speed alone demands respect. That means safeties can't inch up and cheat against the run. The have to be conscious of Ginn Jr. flying up the sideline. That should open up the running game a little more, which is our strength at the moment. Ronnie Brown is our best offensive player, and drafting a burner on the outside would help him in many ways.

Drafting Ginn would probably moves Chambers to the slot, where he is more productive anyway. Now you got an all-purpose back, a deep threat, a few possession receivers, and Chambers free to find the seams.

The net result. The offense clicks better, stays on the field, and keeps the defense well-rested. The whole team improves.

And this is all without resorting to a discussion of how many times he catches the ball, or his contribution to special teams. His mere presence would make us better.

Excellent points about Ginn. i think it was CK that pointed these things out a few weeks back. We had forgotten about CC being much better in the slot which was his natural position. While not a true burner, CC is not a slouch either and with Ginn on the outside drawing, IMO, dbl coverage alot just with hopes of slowing him down, then that can only help CC and book on the other side as well. BUT that scenario can work much better with a solid OL tho.

donart
02-09-2007, 04:29 PM
SR 7 posted this also. I thinks its interesting, but I don't agree
Should be merged with SR7.

Pocoloco
02-09-2007, 04:38 PM
Excellent points about Ginn. i think it was CK that pointed these things out a few weeks back. We had forgotten about CC being much better in the slot which was his natural position. While not a true burner, CC is not a slouch either and with Ginn on the outside drawing, IMO, dbl coverage alot just with hopes of slowing him down, then that can only help CC and book on the other side as well. BUT that scenario can work much better with a solid OL tho.

I absolutely agree with you. I think if we can sign Dielman and draft a couple lineman, then we'll both be happy. At the moment, I think a guy like Ginn is better and more valuable than Levi Brown, but I reserve the right to change my hundred a hundred times between now and April :wink:

RonnieB23
02-09-2007, 04:40 PM
I wouldn't be suprised if Phins goes WR or QB, it seems that most team try to build there offense with a "big three", we already have a RB so if you have Quinn/Russell available take him, if not go Ginn/Jarret.
I must admit that the fact that Ginn jr. is the son of coach and have a lot of atheletic abilities is very enticing.

Motion
02-09-2007, 04:45 PM
I prefer Meachem, I think he's more of a total package. Not at 9 of course but if we were to take a WR he's the #2 guy to CJ IMO.

Stitches
02-09-2007, 04:45 PM
i agree... i luv ginn and i was on the bandwagon for drafting him but then i took it off. if jarrett was there i wood take him but if he isnt , ginn is the mann

Jarrett will be there at #9, unless he scores a 25+ on the wonderilic, and runs a 4.3 40 at the combine. Both of which are likely not to happen. Not even close.

Stitches
02-09-2007, 04:47 PM
I prefer Meachem, I think he's more of a total package.

Yea, me too(then again I prefer Meachem, Rice and Bowe over Ginn). Too bad he'll be picked between 17-27 most likely though. Of all the WRs to fall to the 2nd it looks like Rice would be most likely right now. And depending what OLBs are available in rd 2, I'd be all for him. Maybe if Craig Davis had good workouts, I'd be for taking him too.

Dj Shoj
02-09-2007, 04:58 PM
Ginn the Phin por fin !!!!!!!

CANDolphan
02-09-2007, 04:58 PM
Yea, me too(then again I prefer Meachem, Rice and Bowe over Ginn). Too bad he'll be picked between 17-27 most likely though. Of all the WRs to fall to the 2nd it looks like Rice would be most likely right now. And depending what OLBs are available in rd 2, I'd be all for him. Maybe if Craig Davis had good workouts, I'd be for taking him too.

Thats pretty much opposite of what most GMs have.

Rice is the #1 receiver out of Meachem, Bowe, Rice, and Ball

Stitches
02-09-2007, 05:00 PM
Thats pretty much opposite of what most GMs have.

Rice is the #1 receiver out of Meachem, Bowe, Rice, and Ball

Ball? The D-II guy?

And in most of teh power rankings I have seen, Rice is below Meachem and Bowe. Most Mocks I've seen play out representing as much too(maybe Meachem after Rice, but Bowe before both in most).

kashbo
02-09-2007, 05:02 PM
I believe him we need Gin JR

Stitches
02-09-2007, 05:04 PM
I believe him we need Gin JR

No one needs Ginn Jr. Ohio State didn't even need him.

Dj Shoj
02-09-2007, 05:07 PM
No one needs Ginn Jr. Ohio State didn't even need him.

Wow:eek: I dont even to how to respond to this insanity:shakeno:

Stitches
02-09-2007, 05:11 PM
Wow:eek: I dont even to how to respond to this insanity:shakeno:

I don't know, it surely looked like Ohio State was perfectly capable of losing by 30 without him. :sidelol:

Plus, he doesn't run very clean routes, he's not very big, his hands are questionable, his ability to go over the middle is questionable at best, he likely can't handle a jam well, and his true passion isn't even WR.

Dj Shoj
02-09-2007, 05:22 PM
I don't know, it surely looked like Ohio State was perfectly capable of losing by 30 without him. :sidelol:

Plus, he doesn't run very clean routes, he's not very big, his hands are questionable, his ability to go over the middle is questionable at best, he likely can't handle a jam well, and his true passion isn't even WR.

Like I said..............can't respond to this insanity:shakeno:

Stitches
02-09-2007, 05:26 PM
Like I said..............can't respond to this insanity:shakeno:

Other than me ripping on Ohio State, there was nothing innaccurate about what I said. I stated numerous flaws in Ginn's game, all of which would be extremely tough to overcome in the NFL for anyone. It's especially bad considering how many fans seem to want us to draft Ginn at #9, so he can "save" our offense(at least our passing offense).

IluvJuMiami
02-09-2007, 06:02 PM
When I think about how a player would fit in to the existing offense (or defense), I can see how Ginn Jr. would make a tremendous impact from day 1, even if he doesn't produce right away. In fact, I believe he would make more of an impact for the Dolphins, right away, than any other player (although I still favor drafting Quinn if he is there).

His speed alone demands respect. That means safeties can't inch up and cheat against the run. The have to be conscious of Ginn Jr. flying up the sideline. That should open up the running game a little more, which is our strength at the moment. Ronnie Brown is our best offensive player, and drafting a burner on the outside would help him in many ways.

Drafting Ginn would probably moves Chambers to the slot, where he is more productive anyway. Now you got an all-purpose back, a deep threat, a few possession receivers, and Chambers free to find the seams.

The net result. The offense clicks better, stays on the field, and keeps the defense well-rested. The whole team improves.

And this is all without resorting to a discussion of how many times he catches the ball, or his contribution to special teams. His mere presence would make us better.

Great post.

LeftCoastFinFan
02-09-2007, 06:17 PM
Ginn is listed at 6'0", 180lbs. He is light... I'll give you that, but he is an inch taller than Chambers.
:dolphins:

JFoxx
02-09-2007, 06:32 PM
Sorry, but I think the title of the thread says it all. Ginn Jr. as our pick would be VERY Dangerous. I can see flashes of brilliance in some of his play and I can see him being a total bust. Only one WR taken in the 1st last year and with highly touted WR's like T.Williamson and M.Williams being relative busts (so far), I think a lot of teams are cautious against WR's in the 1st unless they are a lock. I don't see Ginn as a lock. I think he's a risk and we're going to be looking for a our 1st and 2nd round guys to be a little more of a sure thing that some have been.

IluvJuMiami
02-09-2007, 06:57 PM
Sorry, but I think the title of the thread says it all. Ginn Jr. as our pick would be VERY Dangerous. I can see flashes of brilliance in some of his play and I can see him being a total bust. Only one WR taken in the 1st last year and with highly touted WR's like T.Williamson and M.Williams being relative busts (so far), I think a lot of teams are cautious against WR's in the 1st unless they are a lock. I don't see Ginn as a lock. I think he's a risk and we're going to be looking for a our 1st and 2nd round guys to be a little more of a sure thing that some have been.

All draft players are dangerous. Thats's the nature of the draft. Hell, that's nature PERIOD. Life's a gamble no matter how you play it, safe or otherwise.

Ted Ginn Jr has the biggest potential upside of any player in this years draft.

Does anyone have the capacity to envision a Steve Smith/Devin Hester mix? Yes... I might be deaming but it's a beautiful dream.

romio
02-09-2007, 08:13 PM
tedd Ginn is the best pick we could ever wish for at 9!

Vegas dolfan
02-09-2007, 08:21 PM
I agree with the post, This is what I have been saying for about 3 weeks. Ginn will make the entire team better because the Defense will have to always make sure where he is at. Thus helping the other playmakers. I also agree when he scores (which will be often) DONT TACKLE HIM.

VT Dolphan
02-09-2007, 08:26 PM
I don't know, it surely looked like Ohio State was perfectly capable of losing by 30 without him. :sidelol:

Plus, he doesn't run very clean routes, he's not very big, his hands are questionable, his ability to go over the middle is questionable at best, he likely can't handle a jam well, and his true passion isn't even WR.

Ha, I love it.

phinaddict3423
02-09-2007, 08:51 PM
I don't know, it surely looked like Ohio State was perfectly capable of losing by 30 without him. :sidelol:

Plus, he doesn't run very clean routes, he's not very big, his hands are questionable, his ability to go over the middle is questionable at best, he likely can't handle a jam well, and his true passion isn't even WR.


I agree totally! looks like i sparked some debate here! his skill set will not translate well in the NFL game. In college his speed covered up alot of deficiencies in his game particularly technique like my man stitches stated above. I hope we steer clear from this guy!

CANDolphan
02-09-2007, 09:05 PM
Ted Ginn Jr has the biggest potential upside of any player in this years draft.


Thats the stupidest thing Ive read all day.

Congrats!

wazzy
02-09-2007, 09:15 PM
When I think about how a player would fit in to the existing offense (or defense), I can see how Ginn Jr. would make a tremendous impact from day 1, even if he doesn't produce right away. In fact, I believe he would make more of an impact for the Dolphins, right away, than any other player (although I still favor drafting Quinn if he is there).

His speed alone demands respect. That means safeties can't inch up and cheat against the run. The have to be conscious of Ginn Jr. flying up the sideline. That should open up the running game a little more, which is our strength at the moment. Ronnie Brown is our best offensive player, and drafting a burner on the outside would help him in many ways.

Drafting Ginn would probably moves Chambers to the slot, where he is more productive anyway. Now you got an all-purpose back, a deep threat, a few possession receivers, and Chambers free to find the seams.

The net result. The offense clicks better, stays on the field, and keeps the defense well-rested. The whole team improves.

And this is all without resorting to a discussion of how many times he catches the ball, or his contribution to special teams. His mere presence would make us better.


THat was a very convincing argument but if we havre an inconsistancy at QB then safeties willl still cheat because it will make our QB win the game! So even though it has the potential to get this offense clicking and make big plays it can also break us if we have inconsistancy at qb!