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uga3406
02-11-2007, 02:10 AM
I have thought about this long and hard and have come to the conclussion that if Brady Quinn is still there at the 9 pick overall then Mueller and Co. must take him,no questions asked.I have been pulling for the Phins to draft Ted Ginn and Levi Brown in recent weeks and i have even bashed Quinn calling him a Rick Mirer mirror image but after looking at the bigger picture and seeing that what this team really needs is another leader,another franchise QB.Although im a huge Georgia fan i root for the irish and have seen Quinn play a lot and yes he has looked awfull in big games but let me say this for him,he is some who battles all game long and could be what this teams needs a qb with a clean slate.Look around the league there r plenty of young qbs who are already off to great professional careers such as Rivers and Roethsliberger and lets not forget Vince Young who many people including myself said this guy would be a bust and turned in a all-pro in 1 year and ressurrected the Titans season very quick.It would be a hard decision to cute or trade Culpepper since he really never got the chance but i look at it this way keep Cpep and let him start half the season if he stinks it up or isnt fully heathly then let Quinn start.I don't expect much from this team next year but i think if the chance to get Quinn is there why not.For starters in would be great excitement to the fans and organization and yes i know there r tons of people who say don't draft him but about 20 years ago when some 1 named Dan Marion was drafted people were angry.They said his release was awfull and that he would enver make it in the nfl.Well i guess we all know the answer to that.Lets face facts yes Quinn stunk in up in big games fine,sometimes that stuff happens but i remember in his last bowl game i beleive it was the cotton bowl and i remember Marino played Smu and he stunk that game up..i dont have stats here in front of me but the score was 7-3 and based on that i bet people wanted no part of him to.Im not trying to compare them but i think every 1 needs a clean slate in life and football,well what better to have a new coach and qb going at it together in the pros.You never what could materialize.

Elliott 1
02-11-2007, 02:33 AM
I'd rather take Zabransky in the 6th or 7th. His stats are just as good as Quinn's and he is a winner. He only lost something like 8 games his whole career at Boise. Not only that he is way better athlete and scrambler than Quinn will ever be. Quinn is too high risk at the #9, besides if Holiday goes we need to draft Okoye.

DonShula84
02-11-2007, 02:54 AM
I'd rather take Zabransky in the 6th or 7th. His stats are just as good as Quinn's and he is a winner. He only lost something like 8 games his whole career at Boise. Not only that he is way better athlete and scrambler than Quinn will ever be. Quinn is too high risk at the #9, besides if Holiday goes we need to draft Okoye.

You're insane.

You take the better scramble, I'll take the better passer.

And why does everyone have to start their own Quinn thread?

Roman529
02-11-2007, 03:09 AM
I saw Brady Quinn play against Air Force here in Colorado Springs, and he was making great passes all over the field. He made some throws to Jeff Samardzija (spelling?) that were right on the mark. I think all QB's can have some bad games, but Quinn has a great arm, nice mobility, size, and has played in Charlie Weiss's system. I think if he is there at the #9 spot we have to take him. If he gets past Cleveland on the board he might drop to us.

RoninFin4
02-11-2007, 03:23 AM
I'd take Quinn over every QB in this draft hands down. He was handicapped by the lack of overall talent that the Irish had in big games, and still had a Heisman-worthy campaign, I'm even a huge Buckeye fan and can admit that Quinn was righfully deserving of the Heisman just as well as Troy Smith. I also feel that Quinn will have the better pro career and we should do everything possible to ensure that we get him. It's high time we had ourselves a franchise Qb; we haven't had one since Marino.

Elliott 1
02-11-2007, 05:59 AM
You're insane.

You take the better scramble, I'll take the better passer.

And why does everyone have to start their own Quinn thread?


Actually Zabransky had a completion percentage of 67 and Quinn's was a mere 62. Z had 8 int and Q had 7. Z was sacked 19 times and Q 30 some.
Z went undefeated last year and Q lost three games. Q has 2 inches and 20 pounds on Z but Z runs a 4.6 40 and Q is closer to 5.0
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a better prospect than Z but the difference between spending the #9 and spending a 6th or 7th is huge. I want a sure thing who can make an impact right away with the 9th pick.

DonShula84
02-11-2007, 06:06 AM
Actually Zabransky had a completion percentage of 67 and Quinn's was a mere 62. Z had 8 int and Q had 7. Z was sacked 19 times and Q 30 some.
Z went undefeated last year and Q lost three games. Q has 2 inches and 20 pounds on Z but Z runs a 4.6 40 and Q is closer to 5.0
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a better prospect than Z but the difference between spending the #9 and spending a 6th or 7th is huge. I want a sure thing who can make an impact right away with the 9th pick.

A mere 62 :lol::rolleyes2 Quinn threw 179 more passes and only had 1 more int. And give ND BSU's regular season schedule and Quinn would have been undefeated also.

There is a reason why one guy is expected to be a top 10 pick and the other is a 5th rounder at best. I have no problem with you prefering that we take a QB later in the draft than with the 1st pick though.

jlfin
02-11-2007, 07:36 AM
I have thought about this long and hard and have come to the conclussion that if Brady Quinn is still there at the 9 pick overall then Mueller and Co. must take him,no questions asked.I have been pulling for the Phins to draft Ted Ginn and Levi Brown in recent weeks and i have even bashed Quinn calling him a Rick Mirer mirror image but after looking at the bigger picture and seeing that what this team really needs is another leader,another franchise QB.Although im a huge Georgia fan i root for the irish and have seen Quinn play a lot and yes he has looked awfull in big games but let me say this for him,he is some who battles all game long and could be what this teams needs a qb with a clean slate.Look around the league there r plenty of young qbs who are already off to great professional careers such as Rivers and Roethsliberger and lets not forget Vince Young who many people including myself said this guy would be a bust and turned in a all-pro in 1 year and ressurrected the Titans season very quick.It would be a hard decision to cute or trade Culpepper since he really never got the chance but i look at it this way keep Cpep and let him start half the season if he stinks it up or isnt fully heathly then let Quinn start.I don't expect much from this team next year but i think if the chance to get Quinn is there why not.For starters in would be great excitement to the fans and organization and yes i know there r tons of people who say don't draft him but about 20 years ago when some 1 named Dan Marion was drafted people were angry.They said his release was awfull and that he would enver make it in the nfl.Well i guess we all know the answer to that.Lets face facts yes Quinn stunk in up in big games fine,sometimes that stuff happens but i remember in his last bowl game i beleive it was the cotton bowl and i remember Marino played Smu and he stunk that game up..i dont have stats here in front of me but the score was 7-3 and based on that i bet people wanted no part of him to.Im not trying to compare them but i think every 1 needs a clean slate in life and football,well what better to have a new coach and qb going at it together in the pros.You never what could materialize.

Your argument lost a lot of validity when you compared Quinn to Mirer. The only similarity between the 2 players is the uniform they wore. Quinn has an NFL arm and is taller. He has also played in a pro style offense.
Does Palko remind you of Marino? They both played for Pitt. Did Gino Toretta remind you of Jim Kelly?

LarryFinFan
02-11-2007, 09:11 AM
I'm not sold that we HAVE to have a franchise QB just yet because DC needs the opportunity to comeback from the injury...something Saban and co failed at last year, and Quinn may be a good QB in the NFL. After all, the same things were said about some guy named Manning 9-10 yrs ago, so that argument against Quinn doesn't hold water. Zabransky may be a better risk since he'd come at a much cheaper price and we still could use a top-flite player (be that OT, OLB, DE, WR or whatever) along with a QB. Cam would have time to work with Zabransky since he wouldn't be expected to come in and start right away.

However, I don't think I would be too disappointed if we did take a shot at Quinn if he were there, but I would be disappointed if we traded up for him.

jlfin
02-11-2007, 09:55 AM
I'm not sold that we HAVE to have a franchise QB just yet because DC needs the opportunity to comeback from the injury...something Saban and co failed at last year, and Quinn may be a good QB in the NFL. After all, the same things were said about some guy named Manning 9-10 yrs ago, so that argument against Quinn doesn't hold water. Zabransky may be a better risk since he'd come at a much cheaper price and we still could use a top-flite player (be that OT, OLB, DE, WR or whatever) along with a QB. Cam would have time to work with Zabransky since he wouldn't be expected to come in and start right away.

However, I don't think I would be too disappointed if we did take a shot at Quinn if he were there, but I would be disappointed if we traded up for him.

How many opportunities do you think the Phins will have in the next 5 yrs to draft a potential franchise QB?
Assuming DC comes back and plays well you have to think the Phins will be drafting in the lower half of the 1st rd for the next 5 yrs. Difficult to find a QB after the top 10-15 picks. Tom Brady is the exception to the rule as was Marino.

Lester
02-11-2007, 10:07 AM
I don't know how you can pass on a potential franchise qb when you get the chance. Its worth the risk.

Plus his name alone suggests greatness.

If you think about it most great qb's have great names (kinda like pornstars):lol:

Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer
Tom Brady
Dan Marino
John Elway
Joe Montana
Johnny Unitas
Brady Quinn

jlfin
02-11-2007, 10:16 AM
I don't know how you can pass on a potential franchise qb when you get the chance. Its worth the risk.

Plus his name alone suggests greatness.

If you think about it most great qb's have great names (kinda like pornstars):lol:

Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer
Tom Brady
Dan Marino
John Elway
Joe Montana
Johnny Unitas
Brady Quinn


Tom Brady is as vanilla as it gets :D

Phinman
02-11-2007, 12:00 PM
That is a no brainer guy!

rafael
02-11-2007, 01:05 PM
A LT is even harder to find than a QB. And our question marks at LT are greater than the question marks at QB. Specifically, I think there is a greater likelihood that Brown will become an elite LT than there is that Quinn will become an elite QB. I also think there's less downside for Brown than there is for Quinn.

jason8er
02-11-2007, 01:09 PM
I'd rather take Zabransky in the 6th or 7th. His stats are just as good as Quinn's and he is a winner. He only lost something like 8 games his whole career at Boise. Not only that he is way better athlete and scrambler than Quinn will ever be. Quinn is too high risk at the #9, besides if Holiday goes we need to draft Okoye.
I don't think Zabransky is the answer. But damn, that was the sweetest and smoothest sell to the "Statue" that I have ever seen.

jlfin
02-11-2007, 02:21 PM
A LT is even harder to find than a QB. And our question marks at LT are greater than the question marks at QB. Specifically, I think there is a greater likelihood that Brown will become an elite LT than there is that Quinn will become an elite QB. I also think there's less downside for Brown than there is for Quinn.

Simply untrue. You don't need a Walter Jones or Orlando Pace to win a SB, when a Matt Light will suffice. An upper echelon QB can compensate for other weaknesses on your team, whereas a LT cannot.

rafael
02-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Simply untrue. You don't need a Walter Jones or Orlando Pace to win a SB, when a Matt Light will suffice. An upper echelon QB can compensate for other weaknesses on your team, whereas a LT cannot.

But they still had a very good offensive line. There have been several avg. QBs that have made it to the SB as well. There are several examples (Dilfer, Ferragamo, Grossman, etc.) We already have a QB on the roster who is better than those guys. We don't have a LT on the roster who is even avg., unless you think that Alabi is ready.

phins3454
02-11-2007, 03:15 PM
If Brady Quinn is there at the 9th pick, then Miami WILL take him without thinking twice about it.

jlfin
02-11-2007, 04:41 PM
But they still had a very good offensive line. There have been several avg. QBs that have made it to the SB as well. There are several examples (Dilfer, Ferragamo, Grossman, etc.) We already have a QB on the roster who is better than those guys. We don't have a LT on the roster who is even avg., unless you think that Alabi is ready.

How many SB's did those guys win? Dilfer, btw is not as bad as most people think. He was a top 5 pick for a reason. I would disagree that we have a QB who is better than all those guys. Ferragamo had a bad SB, but he was not a bad player. Dilfer had been a steady performer once he left the Bucs. Grossman is only in his 1st year as a starter. As you would expect he had highs and lows.

jlfin
02-11-2007, 04:43 PM
But they still had a very good offensive line. There have been several avg. QBs that have made it to the SB as well. There are several examples (Dilfer, Ferragamo, Grossman, etc.) We already have a QB on the roster who is better than those guys. We don't have a LT on the roster who is even avg., unless you think that Alabi is ready.


That's right a very good O-line. You need 5 solid starters not one superstar LT.
A great LT canot compensate for a poor line, but a great QB can compensate for a weak run game or suspect pass protection.

NJL52
02-11-2007, 05:07 PM
I'll take Okoye.

rafael
02-11-2007, 05:38 PM
How many SB's did those guys win? Dilfer, btw is not as bad as most people think. He was a top 5 pick for a reason. I would disagree that we have a QB who is better than all those guys. Ferragamo had a bad SB, but he was not a bad player. Dilfer had been a steady performer once he left the Bucs. Grossman is only in his 1st year as a starter. As you would expect he had highs and lows.

There were many more avg. QBs in the SB many of which won it. It would be ridiculous for you to try and explain away everyone of them. (especially with nonsensical arguments like he was a top 5 pick, so was Harrington) The point is that DC is better than avg. In other words he's good enough to get us there and win it. And he's already on the roster. He isn't a sure thing b/c he's coming off of an injury but he's no less of a sure thing now than he was a year ago. Anybody who would put QB as a priority over LT in last year's draft would have been laughed at. Nothing has changed except that some people forgot that he suffered a two year injury and were disappointed when he didn't come back in one.

The second point is that I don't think Quinn is that good. I do think Brown is that good.

rafael
02-11-2007, 05:41 PM
That's right a very good O-line. You need 5 solid starters not one superstar LT.
A great LT canot compensate for a poor line, but a great QB can compensate for a weak run game or suspect pass protection.

Our right side was decent by the end of the season. What we need is that anchor against the other team's best pass rusher so we don't have to stay in max protect or throw passes under 5 yards every play.

jlfin
02-11-2007, 10:44 PM
There were many more avg. QBs in the SB many of which won it. It would be ridiculous for you to try and explain away everyone of them. (especially with nonsensical arguments like he was a top 5 pick, so was Harrington) The point is that DC is better than avg. In other words he's good enough to get us there and win it. And he's already on the roster. He isn't a sure thing b/c he's coming off of an injury but he's no less of a sure thing now than he was a year ago. Anybody who would put QB as a priority over LT in last year's draft would have been laughed at. Nothing has changed except that some people forgot that he suffered a two year injury and were disappointed when he didn't come back in one.

The second point is that I don't think Quinn is that good. I do think Brown is that good.


First off, I don't think DC is better tha average and secondly keeping DC AND drafting BQ are not mutually exclusive. How many playoff victories do the Vikings have with DC under center? Not many, because he will struggle against the more sophisticated defenses in the league.
As to your professional assessment that BQ isn't that good, well that puts you in a minority position with respect to most NFL GM's.

Mike13
02-11-2007, 11:22 PM
I don't know how you can pass on a potential franchise qb when you get the chance. Its worth the risk.

Plus his name alone suggests greatness.

If you think about it most great qb's have great names (kinda like pornstars):lol:

Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer
Tom Brady
Dan Marino
John Elway
Joe Montana
Johnny Unitas
Brady Quinn

lol I've noticed that too.

DC has a cool name too.

I would love to get Quinn.
He is a very good overall QB.

rafael
02-11-2007, 11:57 PM
First off, I don't think DC is better tha average and secondly keeping DC AND drafting BQ are not mutually exclusive. How many playoff victories do the Vikings have with DC under center? Not many, because he will struggle against the more sophisticated defenses in the league.
As to your professional assessment that BQ isn't that good, well that puts you in a minority position with respect to most NFL GM's.

No, but drafting Quinn and getting a legit LT are mutually exclusive.

And I was also in the minority when I said that Harrington and Couch weren't worth 1st round picks. The majority opinion is what makes everybody think that picking QBs is just a crapshoot. It isn't.

rafael
02-12-2007, 11:50 AM
First off, I don't think DC is better tha average and secondly keeping DC AND drafting BQ are not mutually exclusive. How many playoff victories do the Vikings have with DC under center? Not many, because he will struggle against the more sophisticated defenses in the league.
As to your professional assessment that BQ isn't that good, well that puts you in a minority position with respect to most NFL GM's.

I just saw this and thought it was applicable to our discussion.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...=tsn&type=lgns


Quote:
The words couldn't be harsher. "He's the biggest fraud in the draft," an NFL scout says of Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn. The scout is not a lone wolf howling into the wind

Crunkcore
02-12-2007, 02:47 PM
If Brady Quinn is there at the 9th pick, then Miami WILL take him without thinking twice about it.

:yeahthat:

Finfanforever
02-12-2007, 03:02 PM
Actually Zabransky had a completion percentage of 67 and Quinn's was a mere 62. Z had 8 int and Q had 7. Z was sacked 19 times and Q 30 some.
Z went undefeated last year and Q lost three games. Q has 2 inches and 20 pounds on Z but Z runs a 4.6 40 and Q is closer to 5.0
I'm not saying Quinn isn't a better prospect than Z but the difference between spending the #9 and spending a 6th or 7th is huge. I want a sure thing who can make an impact right away with the 9th pick.

Wow! Both Ken O'Bien and Tony Eason had better Senior stats than Marino. So...what's your point?

FINdestructible
02-12-2007, 04:40 PM
If you have a potential franchise QB waiting to be drafted when your turn comes up, you have to take him. I know a lot of people (including myself) have been skeptical about drafting Brady, but i've come to the conclusion that we need to pick him up if he's there. I think that the positives, especially the long term one's, outnumber the negatives.


Of course i could be wrong & he ends up being a major bust, but if he doesn't & becomes a great QB, we will kick ourselves in the butts until the day he retires.

satz
02-12-2007, 04:47 PM
NO LT or OL is going to work as once DC steps in the 2 step drop throw which harrington did is gone.Its not the way he plays look for 7 up blitz package all day.No OL work is going to keep a 7 up blitz off with a QB who cannot read and exploits blitzes ,a thing DC was not good even in his prime.Also ,after playing all this mobile qb containment of qb is become a normal activity than a exoit thing of the 04 seasons.

Brady may not be dan but he might be a fresh way to start builting a team around.It will take 2 - 3 yrs to rebuild better go with a young QB.look at the cardinals ,they are going to so much better next year and will improve.titans too as the team is build around their young qb.

marino1348
02-12-2007, 10:39 PM
Did u see the interception Zabransky threw with a minute left? If brady or anyother qb threw that you all would cringe if the fins drafted him.

uga3406
02-14-2007, 01:55 PM
i think with al lthe rumored talk about the phins moving up is a possibilty..the fact is c-pep may not be heathly by '07 so why take a chance again and have a so-so backup...i think we need a frnachise qb in here and we cant pass on quinn...i know u c-pep lovers r gonna be mad but if getting quinn is going to help the team then every 1 should be behind this and support it