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icephinfan
02-11-2007, 03:39 AM
There are rumblings that Daniel Graham wants out of New England, but neither he nor his agent, Jack Mills, have said anything publicly about his contract.
-- Providence Journal

ih8brady
02-11-2007, 03:47 AM
As much as I hate the Patriots and would love to see them lose their key players, I fail to see how this would be much of a blow to them. The quality of recievers has never been much for them, but so long as Brady is at the top of his game, he does very well regardless.

Dolfan984
02-11-2007, 04:05 AM
Graham isn't bad and he deserves to be starter somewhere. He won't be a starter in NE.

satz
02-11-2007, 10:04 AM
Graham is a very important part of the offence and he is also the only person who was made an exception and made into a captain in the middle of the season by the players+coaches.

He is also brady`s security blanket and against blitzing fronts he is a very important in the protection scheme.Also , to run a 2 TE offence you need 3/4 TE`s.Also , TE avg sal is 3.5 million and i think with 30 million cap room i hope they cannot loose this key guy.

He is seldom used as the FB against DL in running games.

54Fins
02-11-2007, 10:27 AM
I'm not going to cry if they lose a good player.No matter what anyway,these things never seem to hurt them.

satz
02-11-2007, 03:03 PM
Graham isn't bad and he deserves to be starter somewhere. He won't be a starter in NE.
he has been a starter everygame he has played in the last 2 yrs.

Vertical Limit
02-11-2007, 04:12 PM
Graham is a very important part of the offence and he is also the only person who was made an exception and made into a captain in the middle of the season by the players+coaches.

He is also brady`s security blanket and against blitzing fronts he is a very important in the protection scheme.Also , to run a 2 TE offence you need 3/4 TE`s.Also , TE avg sal is 3.5 million and i think with 30 million cap room i hope they cannot loose this key guy.

He is seldom used as the FB against DL in running games.
Not really as important as you make him out to be. The Patriots pass to about 9 different players a game.

MelbournePhin
02-11-2007, 04:23 PM
david thomas will step up. hes gonna be good

Vertical Limit
02-11-2007, 04:33 PM
david thomas will step up. hes gonna be good
Yeah, I think he has the best hands out of the three Tight Ends.

ChambersWI
02-11-2007, 04:37 PM
it's funny, Ben Watson has all this big play potential and got a lot of preseason hype, but he's got horrible hands. Watson is the reason Graham will probably leave.

BG was huge for the Pats on TE screens the last couple of years, and is a great blocker.

I bet he goes to to Denver if he leaves NE. 1)He grew up in Colorado 2)Schaeffer is a receiving TE and not much more 3)Alexander sucks

Dolfan984
02-11-2007, 05:03 PM
he has been a starter everygame he has played in the last 2 yrs.

Hmm, thought their #1 TE was Ben Watson. I mean I know they run 2 TEs, but still I figured he'd be the #2 guy.

LOL I just looked at the stats

Watson 49 catches 643 yards 3 tds

Graham 21 catches 235 yards 2 tds

doesn't sound like starting TE status to me. He might start....but not really.

shabby correction

satz
02-11-2007, 05:51 PM
Hmm, thought their #1 TE was Ben Watson. I mean I know they run 2 TEs, but still I figured he'd be the #2 guy.

LOL I just looked at the stats

Watson 49 catches 643 yards 3 tds

Graham 21 catches 235 yards 2 tds

doesn't sound like starting TE status to me. He might start....but not really.

shabby correction

When the OL went down if you notice scholbel,mathis and freeney were kept at bay by him.He is the only TE who bb sends against DL.Its even more impresive considering when he is injured the running games produces less and brady gets sacked more.watson is a nightmare to be left to block big OLB and DL .He is not a blocking TE.watson is the receiving TE ,thomas the new TE is going to have better numbers and had a 100yrd game but when in blitz package like against the Jets you will see graham in on every play.
BB and tom compare him to a extra OL who they can send underneath as a receiver.

I am not suprised the patriots rarely have good stats .I think he might goto the bronco`s as he is from their and also his father played for the bronco`s.

dominizzo
02-11-2007, 09:13 PM
bring him in... compete with Randy perhaps

Mike13
02-11-2007, 11:35 PM
I wouldn't mind getting him. Nothing wrong with using two TEs.

But he'll probbaly ask for a big pay day or the Pats will trade him for high round picks.

And for some reason I see him ending up with Oakland.

satz
02-12-2007, 09:22 AM
I wouldn't mind getting him. Nothing wrong with using two TEs.

But he'll probbaly ask for a big pay day or the Pats will trade him for high round picks.

And for some reason I see him ending up with Oakland.
He is a UFA so they cannot trade unless they franchise him.

also , the cap with the nfl minimu rookie pool is around 13.1 million and after a few cuts it might go up to 18 million and the need to fill about 20 players for rooster.DO you think spending 1/4 th of that money 1 player to compete for a starting job is wise ? leaving around 12-13million for 19 starters and about 20 players for minicamp.

JPhinfan86
02-12-2007, 01:18 PM
"Where exactly did Mr. Belichick touch you?"

"In my pee pee area"

patriotspride
02-13-2007, 10:09 AM
Hmm, thought their #1 TE was Ben Watson. I mean I know they run 2 TEs, but still I figured he'd be the #2 guy.

LOL I just looked at the stats

Watson 49 catches 643 yards 3 tds

Graham 21 catches 235 yards 2 tds

doesn't sound like starting TE status to me. He might start....but not really.

shabby correctionthose stats are very misleading .graham has been injured alot over his career with the pats.

Dolfan984
02-13-2007, 06:26 PM
those stats are very misleading .graham has been injured alot over his career with the pats.

Those were 06 stats. I know Graham can block, but he's still the #2 TE on the Pats. You can call it starting.....but 200+ yards from a starting TE is very blah.

patriotspride
02-13-2007, 06:30 PM
Those were 06 stats. I know Graham can block, but he's still the #2 TE on the Pats. You can call it starting.....but 200+ yards from a starting TE is very blah.blah yes.but thats because he misses alot of games every year .hes very injury prone .i believe he missed between four to six games this year .

Dolfan984
02-13-2007, 06:54 PM
blah yes.but thats because he misses alot of games every year .hes very injury prone .i believe he missed between four to six games this year .

Well that's not exactly a great reason to make someone a starter. Like someone said before that Thomas guy looks like the real deal.

patriotspride
02-14-2007, 09:58 AM
Well that's not exactly a great reason to make someone a starter. Like someone said before that Thomas guy looks like the real deal.Thomas looks great i agree .he would make a excellent number 2 .for me its tough to choose between Watson and graham but if i had to choose between the two i would go with graham. Watson is faster jumps higher and has great all around athletic skills .but graham is a better blocker and receiver and he doesn't fumble the ball like Watson does .

satz
02-14-2007, 10:22 AM
actually , thomas / graham will have more plays as watson/graham but watson/thomas will lag in blocking which will be bad against heavy blitz package teams like steelers and broncos.
thomas can be a great slot receiver and can use watson split outside in 3 TE package as he is damn fast.

Disgustipate
02-14-2007, 11:01 AM
Graham isnt a very good recieving tight end. He's an excellent blocker, but that's not worth the money he is going to try and get in FA. You can get good blocking tight ends cheaply, or you can even convert a linemen like Atlanta did with Eric Beverly.

I dont think it's really worth Miami messing with Graham. A 2nd, blocking oriented TE will probabaly be a target, but that is secondary to a fullback.