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PhinCanuck
02-15-2007, 07:30 PM
Within the last couple of weeks, we have been talking about FA. We have been discussing the players who could come to Miami or change the overall picture for the Dolphins. Well,some of them might not be coming to Miami, but they could change the way things playout in Miami thru FA and the draft. I am not sure if any of you are familiar with Sportsrumormill.com. In this site's Raiders' thread, one of the members proposed the following trade:
The Raiders would trade Moss to the Packers for a 3rd round pick + Bubba Franks. The Raiders would give the 3rd pick to the Texans for Carr. Thus,they can draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 overall pick.
That would be a great trade for them (And I would hate them even more after the trade). It would also be good for other teams. JaMarcus Russell would not be picked with the #1 pick. Thus, he would fall to another team with QB needs. That gives us a greater chance to draft Quinn at #9.
What are your thoughts about this? Do you think it is possible? Sounds crazy?

MofoPhin
02-15-2007, 08:10 PM
i would not want quinn here and that would still leave the raiders without a quality QB... which would make them idiots. calvin johnson would be a good pickup by them however. but im not gonna get all riled up about a trade proposed on a message board.

NJFINSFAN1
02-15-2007, 08:27 PM
Within the last couple of weeks, we have been talking about FA. We have been discussing the players who could come to Miami or change the overall picture for the Dolphins. Well,some of them might not be coming to Miami, but they could change the way things playout in Miami thru FA and the draft. I am not sure if any of you are familiar with Sportsrumormill.com. In this site's Raiders' thread, one of the members proposed the following trade:
The Raiders would trade Moss to the Packers for a 3rd round pick + Bubba Franks. The Raiders would give the 3rd pick to the Texans for Carr. Thus,they can draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 overall pick.
That would be a great trade for them (And I would hate them even more after the trade). It would also be good for other teams. JaMarcus Russell would not be picked with the #1 pick. Thus, he would fall to another team with QB needs. That gives us a greater chance to draft Quinn at #9.
What are your thoughts about this? Do you think it is possible? Sounds crazy?

Raiders may trade Moss, but won't trade for Carr.

MrEd
02-15-2007, 09:49 PM
Within the last couple of weeks, we have been talking about FA. We have been discussing the players who could come to Miami or change the overall picture for the Dolphins. Well,some of them might not be coming to Miami, but they could change the way things playout in Miami thru FA and the draft. I am not sure if any of you are familiar with Sportsrumormill.com. In this site's Raiders' thread, one of the members proposed the following trade:
The Raiders would trade Moss to the Packers for a 3rd round pick + Bubba Franks. The Raiders would give the 3rd pick to the Texans for Carr. Thus,they can draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 overall pick.
That would be a great trade for them (And I would hate them even more after the trade). It would also be good for other teams. JaMarcus Russell would not be picked with the #1 pick. Thus, he would fall to another team with QB needs. That gives us a greater chance to draft Quinn at #9.
What are your thoughts about this? Do you think it is possible? Sounds crazy?


Interesting scenario. But I see a team like Tampa Bay, Minny, or even Detroit trading for Carr. Also, dont sleep on KC trading for Carr too.

OAK is a possibility because then they can either draft Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas at #1. And to me, they really need Joe Thomas. Gallery is a B-U-S-T.

Delfin 22
02-15-2007, 10:12 PM
i would not want quinn here and that would still leave the raiders without a quality QB... which would make them idiots. calvin johnson would be a good pickup by them however. but im not gonna get all riled up about a trade proposed on a message board.

:shakeno:

first: quinn would fit here.....is more that just a good Qb.....
second: carr is better than brooks or anyone of the raiders.....so he have more Quality for them
third: if you dont want to get all riled up.......dont write here....!!

PS i want quinn in number 9 if he still last there.....so, that would be an excellent trade for us

PublixSubsRule
02-15-2007, 11:02 PM
a third rounder for carr... I doubt that, even if it did happen it would mean that we would have a lower shot at getting Brady Quinn because then the Texans would need a QB.

Caldolfan
02-15-2007, 11:24 PM
Say no to Quinn, we have too many other needs to fill.

Geforce
02-15-2007, 11:37 PM
The Packers give up their 3rd pick AND Bubba Franks for Moss? If the Raiders really want to get rid of Moss, Green Bay will not have to make Franks a part of the deal.

Mr772
02-16-2007, 12:09 AM
Say no to Quinn, we have too many other needs to fill.

you can say that about anyone. :rolleyes2 One of those needs just happens to be a QB. Yes we have more than one need but that is like saying don't draft Joe Thomas we have to many other needs........it just dosent make any sense.

dominizzo
02-16-2007, 12:24 AM
WOOW Favre would be happy!!

Donald Driver, Randy Moss, Robert Ferguson, The two rooks also who showed Promise Favre will have a field day

PhinCanuck
02-16-2007, 09:26 AM
a third rounder for carr... I doubt that, even if it did happen it would mean that we would have a lower shot at getting Brady Quinn because then the Texans would need a QB.

Kubiak would bring Jake Plummer from the Broncos. That is what I have been hearing this week. If I was Kubiak, I would stick with Carr. He is not a bad QB. He just does nto ahve a decent OL.

IluvJuMiami
02-16-2007, 10:58 AM
Within the last couple of weeks, we have been talking about FA. We have been discussing the players who could come to Miami or change the overall picture for the Dolphins. Well,some of them might not be coming to Miami, but they could change the way things playout in Miami thru FA and the draft. I am not sure if any of you are familiar with Sportsrumormill.com. In this site's Raiders' thread, one of the members proposed the following trade:
The Raiders would trade Moss to the Packers for a 3rd round pick + Bubba Franks. The Raiders would give the 3rd pick to the Texans for Carr. Thus,they can draft Calvin Johnson with the #1 overall pick.
That would be a great trade for them (And I would hate them even more after the trade). It would also be good for other teams. JaMarcus Russell would not be picked with the #1 pick. Thus, he would fall to another team with QB needs. That gives us a greater chance to draft Quinn at #9.
What are your thoughts about this? Do you think it is possible? Sounds crazy?

I actually think that if Russell doesn't go to the Raiders, he'll be the QB to fall to Miami at 9 while Quinn goes ahead of him(Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, Minnesota, Houston).

While I'm excited about the prospect of Quinn, the prospect of Russell scares me. I think it's because Russell has already been compared to Daunte Culpepper albeit the comparison was size/strength and nothing to do with the ability to read defenses. Russell also appears to be more of a project than Quinn

Still, if Russell were to fall to us, I don't see how we can pass him up even on a trade down unless Mueller really likes some other QB in a later a round.

Dolfan11
02-16-2007, 10:58 AM
Carr could go to the Browns. No source, just an ideal scenario. Moss will be traded, but I think the Raiders end up taking a QB unless they have enough faith in Walters, who has shown a cannon arm and has strong upside, or they pick one up via trade or FA.

PhinCanuck
02-16-2007, 12:25 PM
I actually think that if Russell doesn't go to the Raiders, he'll be the QB to fall to Miami at 9 while Quinn goes ahead of him(Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, Minnesota, Houston).

While I'm excited about the prospect of Quinn, the prospect of Russell scares me. I think it's because Russell has already been compared to Daunte Culpepper albeit the comparison was size/strength and nothing to do with the ability to read defenses. Russell also appears to be more of a project than Quinn

Still, if Russell were to fall to us, I don't see how we can pass him up even on a trade down unless Mueller really likes some other QB in a later a round.
I am not a Russell Fan. He is compared to DC due to his size and bulk for the QB position. Scouts state that he might have the strongest arm and can make all the throws. He is mobile enough to hurt defenses with his feet. His release is somehow like Joey's, at least in how quick it is. I am not sure if he can throw well on the run, I would have to chk on that one.
I think he is a bit raw as a passer and needs improvement on his technique and throwing mechanics. I am not sure how accurate he is, I have not seen enough of his game. I watch the Sugar Bowl and he looked good enough. However, I rather have Quinn any day.

2413fanphins
02-16-2007, 12:39 PM
you would rather have quinn over russell any day because of what exactly?

I don't understand.

Geforce
02-16-2007, 12:53 PM
you would rather have quinn over russell any day because of what exactly?

I don't understand.

I think several have already answered that question. Quinn is believed to be the more NFL ready of the two having played in a pro-style offense under Charlie Weiss. Some here also don't want/like Russell because of the comparisons to Daunte Culpepper.

kashbo
02-16-2007, 01:24 PM
How bout this scenario trade the 9th pick overall and a 4th rounder for the raiders 1st pick, jerry porter and moss lol,

Motion
02-16-2007, 01:33 PM
I think the Raiders are more likely to go after Leftwich than Carr. Then they can still draft Johnson and have a more successful Qb.

IluvJuMiami
02-16-2007, 03:24 PM
you would rather have quinn over russell any day because of what exactly?

I don't understand.

I would rather have Quinn because he comes from a Pro style offense and would be ready to go from day one. On top of which, I just finished reading Charlie Weiss' book No Excuses and Weiss see's a lot of Tom Brady in Quinn. As much as I hate our east rivals, w/e Tom Brady has, we certainly need some of.

Russell, IMO, is the type of QB who needs to come in and sit a year or 2 before handling the reigns.

2413fanphins
02-16-2007, 08:48 PM
Did you expect weiss to say he sees a lot of ryan leaf in brady quinn give me a break. A book is what helps in your decision to want this guy.

chances are if we draft a qb he will be sitting a year or two anyway, regardless of whether or not he played in a pro style offense or not.

I watched alot of his games last year, the three big ones stand out the most.
ND's defense aside, so I don't want to hear how quinn had no defense to help him win games.

against michigan, usc, and lsu, 50% or less completion percentage in each of the three. 8 Td's and 5 INTS.

He puts up outstanding numbers against teams that are absolutely worthless.


If we draft him I will support him 110%. I just want to know why he is ranked so highly by some fellow fin fans, when everyone else in the world has russell going before him in the draft.

I think there is no way we get russell obviously, but when he is above and beyond quinn on every single mock draft you see, how can you possibly want quinn over him.

I would rather trade #9 for more picks and somebody elses first rounder than take a chance on a kid who never won a game he wasn't supposed to win.
No bowl victories, no nothin.

Until someone gives me a more concrete argument other than just there opinion I won't understand the hard on for this guy.

DonShula84
02-16-2007, 08:59 PM
Did you expect weiss to say he sees a lot of ryan leaf in brady quinn give me a break. A book is what helps in your decision to want this guy.

chances are if we draft a qb he will be sitting a year or two anyway, regardless of whether or not he played in a pro style offense or not.

I watched alot of his games last year, the three big ones stand out the most.
ND's defense aside, so I don't want to hear how quinn had no defense to help him win games.

against michigan, usc, and lsu, 50% or less completion percentage in each of the three. 8 Td's and 5 INTS.

He puts up outstanding numbers against teams that are absolutely worthless.


If we draft him I will support him 110%. I just want to know why he is ranked so highly by some fellow fin fans, when everyone else in the world has russell going before him in the draft.

I think there is no way we get russell obviously, but when he is above and beyond quinn on every single mock draft you see, how can you possibly want quinn over him.

I would rather trade #9 for more picks and somebody elses first rounder than take a chance on a kid who never won a game he wasn't supposed to win.
No bowl victories, no nothin.

Until someone gives me a more concrete argument other than just there opinion I won't understand the hard on for this guy.

That's all you have though. People act like the only "big games" Quinn played in were this year. How'd he do against USC lat year? His team lost but he wasnt bad vs OSU last year either. Besides, what big games has Russell really won? Beating ND in a bowl game isnt exactly a title game. I still cant get over the irony of Dolphin fans of all people bashing Quinn this hard for not winning the "big game". And it is spelt WEIS.

IluvJuMiami
02-16-2007, 09:22 PM
Until someone gives me a more concrete argument other than just there opinion I won't understand the hard on for this guy.

You'll never understand because your mind has already been made up which makes your opinion bias. If someone were to waste their time and look up facts/stats, all you'd is go on the hunt for stats that suit your opinion for rebuttle.

Did you read Weis' book? Did you get a sense of Weis'personality who doesn't hesitate to tell it like it is with both his fomer HCs? But you want to speak intelligently on the matter anyways because you're 2413fanphins and you've made up your mind.:clap:

The difference between us is that I freely admit that I don't know a god damn thing, that all I have is opinions based on miniscule information.

But you, you know Brady Quinn is a bust. Why? Cuz your 2413fanphins. Bravo. :clap:

Regan21286
02-16-2007, 09:23 PM
Did you expect weiss to say he sees a lot of ryan leaf in brady quinn give me a break. A book is what helps in your decision to want this guy.

chances are if we draft a qb he will be sitting a year or two anyway, regardless of whether or not he played in a pro style offense or not.

I watched alot of his games last year, the three big ones stand out the most.
ND's defense aside, so I don't want to hear how quinn had no defense to help him win games.

against michigan, usc, and lsu, 50% or less completion percentage in each of the three. 8 Td's and 5 INTS.

He puts up outstanding numbers against teams that are absolutely worthless.


If we draft him I will support him 110%. I just want to know why he is ranked so highly by some fellow fin fans, when everyone else in the world has russell going before him in the draft.

I think there is no way we get russell obviously, but when he is above and beyond quinn on every single mock draft you see, how can you possibly want quinn over him.

I would rather trade #9 for more picks and somebody elses first rounder than take a chance on a kid who never won a game he wasn't supposed to win.
No bowl victories, no nothin.

Until someone gives me a more concrete argument other than just there opinion I won't understand the hard on for this guy.

1. We have no shot at Russell unless he really tanks. And I have rarely seen a mock draft where Russell is ranked lower than Quinn.
2. Joey Harrington won a lot of Bowl Games and so did Ken Dorsey, college team records don't count that much in the pros. Just ask Jay Cutler
3. 50% completion or less is pretty much expected when you're behind by a lot and have to keep throwing it when the D knows you're going to throw.
4. Ryan Leaf is in a category of his own. Brady Quinn does not have anything in common with Leaf.
5. Keep in mind, ND was pretty much in the gutter when Weis arrived. Together, they made Irish football respectable again. If Brady had another year or two and a decent developing D and OL that USC has, they could've been bona-fide contenders (which in fact they were for the most part).

2413fanphins
02-17-2007, 12:30 PM
Well if were going to switch the argument from why brady quinn to proper grammar and spelling you may want to make sure you are right as well.

It is spelled Weis. not spelt. what is spelt exactly. How does this turn into a english lesson. It was about brady quinn, and why some ppl on here would rather have him than russell. I was evidently wrong because I stated my bias opinion because I am 2413fanphins:cooldude: So I guess we don't get to have our opinions.

However, for the record I never said quinn would be a bust, I never said absolutely do not draft quinn. This would be other peoples ignorance putting words in my mouth while trying to be a smartass.

I only said that I haven't seen anything from quinn other than he can really take it to lower level teams and struggles against anyone who has equal or better talent on the other side of the ball. He has skipped the senior bowl, skipped the all star challenges, leaving me with no way to evaluate him.
Stanton, smith and leak have all been seen in DIRECT competition with other qb's who will be part of the draft. Is this a surefire way to evaluate them, no but it's something to start with on top of there college careers.

Regan21286, your #1 and #4 points were exactly what I was saying so I don't know where you were going with them but I agree.
You don't see russell ranked lower than quinn by anyone, so why would we want him over russell. Strictly on one's opinion. Not allowed!! So I ask why, just a simple show me why you would rather. Most on here still haven't done that.
Ryan leaf IS in a category of his own. Exactly my point again. Weis wouldn't compare quinn to him. Conversely, brady IS in a category of his own, and also doesn't even come close to a comparison to quinn.

This guy plays amazing against navy, army, airforce, stanford etc.. and plays completely different against upper level competition.
I was just looking for a good debate and some intelligent facts on the guy on why we would want him so bad, especially over russell.
All I got was 1 smartass, and 1 guy who dissected my thread. Nothing on WHY WE SHOULD WANT QUINN.

So I ask again, with full hopes of actually getting somewhere, why quinn?

wazzy
02-17-2007, 12:34 PM
a third rounder for carr... I doubt that, even if it did happen it would mean that we would have a lower shot at getting Brady Quinn because then the Texans would need a QB.


Reports our saying there shopping Carr for a third! So I think its very possible:wink:

wazzy
02-17-2007, 12:38 PM
Well if were going to switch the argument from why brady quinn to proper grammar and spelling you may want to make sure you are right as well.

It is spelled Weis. not spelt. what is spelt exactly. How does this turn into a english lesson. It was about brady quinn, and why some ppl on here would rather have him than russell. I was evidently wrong because I stated my bias opinion because I am 2413fanphins:cooldude: So I guess we don't get to have our opinions.

However, for the record I never said quinn would be a bust, I never said absolutely do not draft quinn. This would be other peoples ignorance putting words in my mouth while trying to be a smartass.

I only said that I haven't seen anything from quinn other than he can really take it to lower level teams and struggles against anyone who has equal or better talent on the other side of the ball. He has skipped the senior bowl, skipped the all star challenges, leaving me with no way to evaluate him.
Stanton, smith and leak have all been seen in DIRECT competition with other qb's who will be part of the draft. Is this a surefire way to evaluate them, no but it's something to start with on top of there college careers.

Regan21286, your #1 and #4 points were exactly what I was saying so I don't know where you were going with them but I agree.
You don't see russell ranked lower than quinn by anyone, so why would we want him over russell. Strictly on one's opinion. Not allowed!! So I ask why, just a simple show me why you would rather. Most on here still haven't done that.
Ryan leaf IS in a category of his own. Exactly my point again. Weis wouldn't compare quinn to him. Conversely, brady IS in a category of his own, and also doesn't even come close to a comparison to quinn.

This guy plays amazing against navy, army, airforce, stanford etc.. and plays completely different against upper level competition.
I was just looking for a good debate and some intelligent facts on the guy on why we would want him so bad, especially over russell.
All I got was 1 smartass, and 1 guy who dissected my thread. Nothing on WHY WE SHOULD WANT QUINN.

So I ask again, with full hopes of actually getting somewhere, why quinn?


I like Quinn because he is the most NFL ready QB coming out the draft and even though he struggled against some tough Defenses and had a crap Bowl game I think he is still a very talented QB with a lot of potential! Also he is more of a pocket passer which Cam Cameron has developed pocket passers really well (Rivers... helped with Brees developement). However he also did coach Randle-El but he made him look like a superstar in college!

PhinCanuck
02-17-2007, 01:28 PM
That's all you have though. People act like the only "big games" Quinn played in were this year. How'd he do against USC lat year? His team lost but he wasnt bad vs OSU last year either. Besides, what big games has Russell really won? Beating ND in a bowl game isnt exactly a title game. I still cant get over the irony of Dolphin fans of all people bashing Quinn this hard for not winning the "big game". And it is spelt WEIS.

I agree. Is not this the case we always make about Marino not winning the Big Game, due to the team around him. Was not the same said about Manning until two weeks ago. I think Quinn is better prepared for the NFL.

DonShula84
02-17-2007, 05:00 PM
No one said you cant have an opinion, but you said all Quinn supports have is their opinion as though you had something more than that, so you can drop the victim act.

A few of the reasons for Quinn is he's been a 4 year starter, and has been really good for more than 1 season. People say he didnt play well in NDs big games this year, neither did Russell. He had 5 td and 6 ints in 4 big SEC games. This guy jumped to the top of the rankings by beating ND, something that isnt hard to do when your team is far better. Quinn is as tough as any QB I've seen in recent memory, guy gets pounded every game and always gets up. He has the leadership to lead his team to 4th quarter comebacks. Was coached in an NFL system by a proven NFL coach. Has enough arm strength to make all the throws and is accurate enough. Off the field he is an alter boy and you wont have to worry about your franchise player getting into trouble. Plenty more reasons but that's the quick list I came up with. My opinion, yours is different fine.

IluvJuMiami
02-17-2007, 07:52 PM
Well if were going to switch the argument from why brady quinn to proper grammar and spelling you may want to make sure you are right as well.

It is spelled Weis. not spelt. what is spelt exactly. How does this turn into a english lesson. It was about brady quinn, and why some ppl on here would rather have him than russell. I was evidently wrong because I stated my bias opinion because I am 2413fanphins:cooldude: So I guess we don't get to have our opinions.

However, for the record I never said quinn would be a bust, I never said absolutely do not draft quinn. This would be other peoples ignorance putting words in my mouth while trying to be a smartass.

I only said that I haven't seen anything from quinn other than he can really take it to lower level teams and struggles against anyone who has equal or better talent on the other side of the ball. He has skipped the senior bowl, skipped the all star challenges, leaving me with no way to evaluate him.
Stanton, smith and leak have all been seen in DIRECT competition with other qb's who will be part of the draft. Is this a surefire way to evaluate them, no but it's something to start with on top of there college careers.

Regan21286, your #1 and #4 points were exactly what I was saying so I don't know where you were going with them but I agree.
You don't see russell ranked lower than quinn by anyone, so why would we want him over russell. Strictly on one's opinion. Not allowed!! So I ask why, just a simple show me why you would rather. Most on here still haven't done that.
Ryan leaf IS in a category of his own. Exactly my point again. Weis wouldn't compare quinn to him. Conversely, brady IS in a category of his own, and also doesn't even come close to a comparison to quinn.

This guy plays amazing against navy, army, airforce, stanford etc.. and plays completely different against upper level competition.
I was just looking for a good debate and some intelligent facts on the guy on why we would want him so bad, especially over russell.
All I got was 1 smartass, and 1 guy who dissected my thread. Nothing on WHY WE SHOULD WANT QUINN.

So I ask again, with full hopes of actually getting somewhere, why quinn?

I answered your question already, but Im a smartass? By that logic, your a *******.

"I would rather have Quinn because he comes from a pro style offense and would be ready to go from day one." <-- The offense he lead was an NFL based offense. That is a FACT. He performed admirably in a scheme that is used at the next level.

But again that won't satisfy you because you've already made up your mind. You want a "good debate." You are a master debater. I can tell.