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Dolfan11
02-22-2007, 10:03 PM
Scenario 1

New England Patriots
Round 1 pick 24.....740
Round 1 pick 28.....660
Total...................1,400

Miami Dolphins
Round 1 pick 9......1,350
Round 6 pick 166...26
Total...................1,376

Scenario 2

New England Patriots
Round 1 pick 24.....740
Round 1 pick 28.....660
Total...................1,400

Miami Dolphins
Round 1 pick 9......1,350
Round 4 pick 104...86
Total...................1,436

My point is, whether it takes our 1st and 4th or our 1st and 6th (based on the NFL Value Point System) we could get two late 1st round picks. I'm all for getting Brady Quinn if he's there, but if he's gone (most likely) and we pull a deal like this (hypothetical), is it safe to say that the next best tackle in Levi Brown can fall to the 24th? If so we could draft him there, and take Kalil at the 28th. I highly doubt Kalil will make it to our pick in the 2nd given his recognition as the best center coming out this year. Same with Brown, not to optimistic about his chances falling that far, but I'm no draft guru, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Why the Patriots? Their 2nd round WR Chad Jackson, tore his ACL in the championship game, and suffice to say he's going to miss an ample amount of time next season. Can't rely on him to be much of an impact, and I would think their not counting on Gaffney and Caldwell after letting Branch go last season. The #9 pick gives the Patriots a SHOT at one of the big three at WR; Ginn Jr., Jarrett, or Calvin Johnson (highly unlikely but you never know).

One could argue they wouldn't take a WR in round 1 or even trade up for one since they took one in the 2nd last year. This is just a hypothecial scenario, that if it were available, would you make this deal?

phins3454
02-22-2007, 10:05 PM
That actually wouldnt be a bad idea, nice thread!

Stitches
02-22-2007, 10:09 PM
If it were only 50 points, and they were trying to trade into top 10, I think we could do 2-1sts for our first straight up. 2nd, NE has no reason to trade up with us. No reason at all. They'll get amazing value with both their current picks. They'll be able to get a cornerback and a WR. Even at 24, they still might have a chance at Jarrett. And if not there is Bowe or Meachem, who I would prefer over Jarrett anyways.

Stitches
02-22-2007, 10:10 PM
That actually wouldnt be a bad idea, nice thread!


It would be a bad idea for New England.

malzj
02-22-2007, 10:11 PM
I'm going to make a prediction. Because of the combine Levi Brown and J. Thomas will be neck and neck as who the best tackles are. We will do either two things. If quinn is drafted before us we will be taking Levi Brown. If Quinn makes it to us we'll draft him and use him for bate so that we can get some more picks. We then would still have a first round pick, high enough to take Brown and some additional picks as well.

I say this because I am not totally sold on Quinn and feel Culpepper will give us a better chance to win this year and the three yrs after that. Quinn will not need four years to become a pretty good Qb but he won't be making any strides within the next two. If Pep cannot get back to form then we will either play Cleo Lemon who has a ton of experience in our system and Cameron's or draft a Qb in the first next year. If Pep and Lemon cannot get it done, we will have a VERY high draft pick and scoring a qb that has fewer questions will be available.

I believe a Lemon today will be better then a rookie Quinn.

CitizenSnips
02-22-2007, 10:59 PM
New England would never make the trade with an AFC east opponent.

Ryan1973
02-22-2007, 11:14 PM
New England would never make the trade with an AFC east opponent.

Exactly. They are division rivals. I can't see them trading with the Dolphins or vice versa.

Dolfan11
02-22-2007, 11:17 PM
New England would never make the trade with an AFC east opponent.

They did deal Lawyer Milloy to the Bills right? Or was he cut and signed by the Bills?


If it were only 50 points, and they were trying to trade into top 10, I think we could do 2-1sts for our first straight up. 2nd, NE has no reason to trade up with us. No reason at all. They'll get amazing value with both their current picks. They'll be able to get a cornerback and a WR. Even at 24, they still might have a chance at Jarrett. And if not there is Bowe or Meachem, who I would prefer over Jarrett anyways.

Post combine maybe Bowe or Meachem aren't worth a 1st round pick and Jarrett elevates himself to a higher draft pick? It's all possible. Bowe soared into the 1st round after his performance in the Senior Bowl and it's practices.

Tureo
02-22-2007, 11:42 PM
Scenario 1

New England Patriots
Round 1 pick 24.....740
Round 1 pick 28.....660
Total...................1,400

Miami Dolphins
Round 1 pick 9......1,350
Round 6 pick 166...26
Total...................1,376

Scenario 2

New England Patriots
Round 1 pick 24.....740
Round 1 pick 28.....660
Total...................1,400

Miami Dolphins
Round 1 pick 9......1,350
Round 4 pick 104...86
Total...................1,436

My point is, whether it takes our 1st and 4th or our 1st and 6th (based on the NFL Value Point System) we could get two late 1st round picks. I'm all for getting Brady Quinn if he's there, but if he's gone (most likely) and we pull a deal like this (hypothetical), is it safe to say that the next best tackle in Levi Brown can fall to the 24th? If so we could draft him there, and take Kalil at the 28th. I highly doubt Kalil will make it to our pick in the 2nd given his recognition as the best center coming out this year. Same with Brown, not to optimistic about his chances falling that far, but I'm no draft guru, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Why the Patriots? Their 2nd round WR Chad Jackson, tore his ACL in the championship game, and suffice to say he's going to miss an ample amount of time next season. Can't rely on him to be much of an impact, and I would think their not counting on Gaffney and Caldwell after letting Branch go last season. The #9 pick gives the Patriots a SHOT at one of the big three at WR; Ginn Jr., Jarrett, or Calvin Johnson (highly unlikely but you never know).

One could argue they wouldn't take a WR in round 1 or even trade up for one since they took one in the 2nd last year. This is just a hypothecial scenario, that if it were available, would you make this deal?
Can we trade with another team besides NE. I would hate to see Brady throwing the ball to Ginn for the next few seasons at our expense.

VT Dolphan
02-22-2007, 11:49 PM
New England always seems to value their picks, so I would kind of be surprised if they would trade up. Who would they want so much that they would need to trade up to get? They seem set at offense with the exception of receivers, and with the depth at wideout they surely could get a good one where they are. The only players I could think of were Laron Landry and Reggie Nelson considering they had Artrell Hawkins starting for them at safety last season and how Rodney Harrison is always injured/getting old. If we were to trade down, I doubt it would be with New England.

Geforce
02-23-2007, 12:01 AM
New England would never make the trade with an AFC east opponent.

They traded Drew Bledsoe to the Bills so they do trade within the division.

Elliott 1
02-23-2007, 12:06 AM
The Pats have a lot of needs, I don't see them trading up unless they go way up for Johnson.

Other more likely trading partners are teams who don't really need a lot of roster spots filled. For example:

Pittsburgh has almost no holes in their lineup but could use a guy like Levi Brown if Max Starks goes as a RFA.

Cinncinatti is desperate for interior defensive linemen. If Branch slides to us they might be interested in trading.

The Ravens are letting Jamal Lewis go. If Adrian Petersen falls to us they would be very likely trading partners.

The Colts have almost no holes in their roster but with Rhodes and June probably gone as FA's they might trade to get the first shot at Marshawn Lynch or Willis or Poluzny, if they really like one of those guys.

Green Bay may also want first shot at Lynch or they may want Ginn and not want to risk him sliding, but they have a lot of needs as well. They would be more likely trade partners for a deal involving one of our veteran receivers or Ricky Williams.

Crunkcore
02-23-2007, 12:07 AM
I doubt the patriots trade their draft picks.

jlfin
02-23-2007, 12:29 AM
Can we trade with another team besides NE. I would hate to see Brady throwing the ball to Ginn for the next few seasons at our expense.


Not to worry. Brady doesn't punt or kickoff, therefore, Ginn wouldn't be catching anything delivered by Brady. :lol:

cowtowndick
02-23-2007, 01:08 AM
while trading down is a nice option, trading with the pats won't happen - and not because we're in their division. if the pats want to draft a wr, they can wait for bowe or meachem or rice. all would be great options, one of them will undoubtedly be available when they draft in the first. as someone already pointed out, they have multiple needs, so they need the draft picks. they can take a wr and (most likely) a lb with their picks in round one.

CANDolphan
02-23-2007, 01:28 AM
Gaffney and Caldwell have proven to be solid receivers. Caldwell had those two big drops, but before that he was having a great year with the Patriots. He had the best receiving stats Post Season..

Now the Gaffney has learned the system, I look for him to be the Patriots number 1 receiver. He's exactly what they need.. a guy above 6 feet with good hands that runs great routes.. and will block.

The Patriots might draft a 3rd round speedster type at WR, but I dont think Bill has given up on Chad Jackson. He'll be back for most of the next season and he'll have a lot of time to learn the playbook. He'll still struggle to get timing down but he'd be a great slot receiver with his speed.

umpalu
02-23-2007, 01:57 AM
New England would never make the trade with an AFC east opponent.

awesome research into this trade value chart, but this is way out of character for NE to make this trade, division rival or not. They build through the draft, that is how they work. Would I love for this trade, yes. But it is a pipe dream. Good post though.

PS: brown def not there in the late round and prob not in the mid round either.

Aussiefinfan54
02-23-2007, 04:02 AM
i dont see new england doing this they dont need top class recievers to still put up great numbers with brady.

Roman529
02-23-2007, 04:53 AM
Scenario 1

New England Patriots
Round 1 pick 24.....740
Round 1 pick 28.....660
Total...................1,400

Miami Dolphins
Round 1 pick 9......1,350
Round 6 pick 166...26
Total...................1,376

Scenario 2

New England Patriots
Round 1 pick 24.....740
Round 1 pick 28.....660
Total...................1,400

Miami Dolphins
Round 1 pick 9......1,350
Round 4 pick 104...86
Total...................1,436

My point is, whether it takes our 1st and 4th or our 1st and 6th (based on the NFL Value Point System) we could get two late 1st round picks. I'm all for getting Brady Quinn if he's there, but if he's gone (most likely) and we pull a deal like this (hypothetical), is it safe to say that the next best tackle in Levi Brown can fall to the 24th? If so we could draft him there, and take Kalil at the 28th. I highly doubt Kalil will make it to our pick in the 2nd given his recognition as the best center coming out this year. Same with Brown, not to optimistic about his chances falling that far, but I'm no draft guru, so correct me if I'm wrong.

Why the Patriots? Their 2nd round WR Chad Jackson, tore his ACL in the championship game, and suffice to say he's going to miss an ample amount of time next season. Can't rely on him to be much of an impact, and I would think their not counting on Gaffney and Caldwell after letting Branch go last season. The #9 pick gives the Patriots a SHOT at one of the big three at WR; Ginn Jr., Jarrett, or Calvin Johnson (highly unlikely but you never know).

One could argue they wouldn't take a WR in round 1 or even trade up for one since they took one in the 2nd last year. This is just a hypothecial scenario, that if it were available, would you make this deal?


YOU REALLY THINK THE PATRIOTS WOULD WORK A DEAL LIKE THIS WITH US? NOOOOOOO WAY. There is a better chance that Michael Jackson will start liking adults before this happens.

NorFlaFin
02-23-2007, 07:35 AM
This trade could happen. Bill needs to keep Tom Brady happy and none of the Pats WR's are true No.1s. Their other concern is DT, lots of bodies not lots of talent.

Dolfan11
02-23-2007, 11:06 AM
YOU REALLY THINK THE PATRIOTS WOULD WORK A DEAL LIKE THIS WITH US? NOOOOOOO WAY. There is a better chance that Michael Jackson will start liking adults before this happens.

:lol:

It's really not that I think this trade could happen, but more that if we were to get the most value for trading down out of our 9 spot, what better than picking up two 1st round picks.

JFoxx
02-23-2007, 11:47 AM
I don't dislike the idea of trading down. I'd even consider trading with the Pats if it suited our purpose. Problem is though 1) conf rival don't like doing deals with each other, esp in the draft, because of the fear of deal coming back to haunt them. 2) NE isn't a team who moves up in the draft. They usually try to get as many picks as they can. But hey, stranger things have happened. It more likely will be a team that is really wanting a DE or DT, as some of the best are likely to go in the top 12 spots. I think we will zero in on a couple of people we really want at #9 and if they are both gone, have a plan in place where we trade down with someone and get some more 1st day picks.

satz
02-23-2007, 12:36 PM
I have listened to kraft speak and he belives in draft one makes good choice in the later round for 2 reason.Less salary and they get to sign a 5-6 year deal.long cheap very good starterd
Look at the +20 draft for NE
Seymour DL
Ty Warran DL
graham TE
vince wilfork NT
watson TE
maroney RB

with the above success NE will never trade 2 low cheap #1 which has worked wonders for them for high cap number pick.

do you see a trend , the DL is all first rounders .

deion branch was 2 nd rounder and givens was a 7th round pick.The funny stat is jabbar and reche were ranked higher then deion on the 2002 WR draft class.
jabbar and reche btw led the NFL is post season WR numbers in this post season.chad jackson is out in a torn acl so look for a 3rd round pick spend on a WR [ adam`s compensation pick maybe]