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RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 02:19 PM
Warning…if you belong to the “Aint Chambers Fault” fan club NOW would be a good time to stop reading. For years the strategy for improving the passing game in the off season has remained the same. The assumption has been Miami is set at WR with Chambers and company while the problem has been at quarterback. While I am NOT arguing that we have had any elite quarterbacks since Marino retired our quarterbacks may not be as bad as Chamber fans claim. When I looked at the careers of the quarterbacks we have had in the past 5 years there is a disturbing trend…they mostly “SUCK” when they play for Miami. However, when they played elsewhere and had a decent #1 WR to throw to they were not all that bad. A look at the quarterbacks that played for Miami the past 5 years…

Jay Fiedler…
Career…
1008 comp 1717 attempts 11844 yards 69 TD 66 INT 77.1 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
936 comp 1603 attempts 11039 yards 66 TD 63 INT 76.78 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
72 comp 114 attempts 805 yards 3 TD 3 INT 81.84 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2005 NY Jets
8 comp 13 attempts 107 yards 1 TD 0 Int 113.3 QB rating

Ray Lucas…
Career…
280 comp 483 attempts 3029 yards 18 TD 17 INT 74.27 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
94 comp 163 attempts 1090 yards 4 TD 6 INT 70.84 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
186 comp 320 attempts 1939 yards 14 TD 11 INT 76.02 QB rating

Year Highest QB Rating…1999 NY Jets
161 comp 272 attempts 1678 yards 14 TD 6 Int 85.08 QB rating

Brian Griese…
Career…
1481 comp 2350 attempts 16564 yards 104 TD 80 Int 84.5 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
74 comp 130 attempts 813 yards 5 TD 6 Int 69.2 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
1407 comp 2220 attempts 15751 yards 99 TD 74 Int 85.44 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2000 Denver Broncos
216 comp 336 attempts 2688 yards 19 TD 4 Int 102.9 QB rating

AJ Feeley
Career…
313 comp 562 attempts 3389 yards 22 TD 21 INT 71.1 QB rating

As Miami Dolphin QB…
191 comp 356 attempts 1893 yards 11 TD 15 INT 61.7 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
122 comp 206 attempts 1496 yards 11 TD 6 INT 87.35 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2006 Philadelphia Eagles
26 comp 38 attempts 342 yards 3 TD 0 Int 122.9 QB rating

Sage Rosenfels…
Career…
81 comp 148 attempts 1041 yards 9 TD 7 Int 77.6 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
54 comp 109 attempts 776 yards 6 TD 6 Int 68.44 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
27 comp 39 attempts 265 yards 3 TD 1 Int 103 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2006 Houston Texans
27 comp 39 attempts 265 yards 3 TD 1 Int 103 QB rating

Gus Frerotte…
Career…
1427 comp 2638 attempts 18120 yards 95 TD 79 Int 75.3 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
257 comp 494 attempts 2996 yards 18 TD 13 Int 71.9 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
1170 comp 2144 attempts 15124 yards 77 TD 66 Int 76.10 QB rating

Year Highest QB Rating…2003 Minnesota Vikings
38 comp 65 attempts 690 yards 7 TD 2 Int 118.1 QB rating

Daunte Culpepper…
Career…
1759 comp 2741 attempts 21091 yards 137 TD 89 Int 90.8 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
81 comp 134 attempts 929 yards 2 TD 3 Int 77 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
1678 comp 2607 attempts 20162 yards 135 TD 86 Int 91.46 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2004 Minnesota Vikings
379 comp 548 attempts 4717 yards 39 TD 11 Int 110.9 QB rating

Joey Harrington…
Career…
1209 comp 2190 attempts 12478 yards 72 TD 77 Int 68.1 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
223 comp 388 attempts 2236 yards 12 TD 15 Int 68.2 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
986 comp 1802 attempts 10242 yards 60 TD 62 Int 68.12 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2004 Detroit Lions
274 comp 489 attempts 3047 yards 19 TD 12 Int 77.5 QB rating

So there is only “ONE” QB who has a higher passer rating as a Dolphin than when he played anywhere else and that was Harrington at 68.2 QB rating as a Dolphin vs. 68.1 QB rating for his career. However, Harrington probably had the worst OL and WR group in the NFL his first two years in Detroit. When Detroit drafted Roy Williams Harrington put up the following numbers the last two years there…

Joey Harrington…
Final two years with Detroit when had Roy Williams to throw to…
462 comp 819 attempts 5068 yards 31 TD 24 Int 75.28 QB rating

So this would be a more accurate comparison with Harrington of 68.2 QB rating as a Dolphin vs 75.28 not as Dolphin.

That would mean that every single QB we have had puts up the worst numbers of their career as a Miami Dolphin and not a single QB has had a career year with Miami. In fact, several of the QBs have had quite successful years playing elsewhere. So what is the common thread for all of the QBs…a WR group led by Chris Chambers. That is why I am under the belief that until we replace our current #1 WR with a legitimate #1 WR we will continue to have to go through a QB shuffle.

IMO improving the WR this offseason is as important as improving the QB position this offseason. I am hoping for a possible 1st and 2nd round draft that looks like Jarrett and Stanton or Quinn and Rice (if he drops this far). The time has come to replace our weakest position on our team.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 02:34 PM
let it go... your getting outta control with this...WR is not a problem... Qb is a big one tho, just look at your list, it proves a point your trying to ignore... your boy Joey is out the door for a reason... We've seen our offense when we can run effectively and we have a smart QB....... WR wasn't a problem at all. Perhaps for the future... drafting a Jarret or Ginn would help but i definetley know we have a more than adequate group of WRs.

Any team can win the SB with this group of WRs... what team can win the big one with a bum QB who can't get protection? I'm pretty sure replacing Harrington is already a top priority. That and our LT spot, we've been dying for consistency at those spots and you wanna REPLACE a pro-bowl caliber WR ????? :sidelol:

BTW MERGE !!!!!!

jdang307
02-28-2007, 02:39 PM
I know it's not April but is this an April Fools joke? I really can't believe you typed all this out and believe it to be valid. There are so many holes I don't even have to go past the first QB to point them out.

You compare Fiedler's 1600 attempts as a dolphin to 114 attempts as not a dolphin, and then include as his best year his 2005 season with 13 attempts? This has to be a joke.

According to your arguments a hypothetical QB would be worse off in Miami if during his career he played 10 years in a Phins uniform, and amassed roughly a 100 QBR, but in his rookie season he filled in a for a QB that got hurt on the 20 yard line, and this QB came in threw one pass and it was for a TD. Can you calculate the QBR for that? That's essentially what you are arguing. A bit more extreme, but similar.

PerfectTeam
02-28-2007, 02:40 PM
i dont see how this is a replace chambers article. your basically showing crappy qb numbers and nothing that specifically involves chambers but the offense as a whole. im not saying chambers is a number one or our receiving corp is dominant. fact of the matter is our offense under wanny was lousy. one guy doesnt make a receiving corp, so all this blame your passing to chambers isnt justified in my opinion. he deserves blame, not all of it.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 02:42 PM
what a huge waste of a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. pointless thread.

PhinsRock
02-28-2007, 02:51 PM
what a huge waste of a lot of words that say absolutely nothing. pointless thread.

Agree, this is just another Hate-Chambers thread, and the poorest one of them all IMO. 1 star is too good for this thread, what a waste of readers time.

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 02:51 PM
let it go... your getting outta control with this...WR is not a problem... Qb is a big one tho, just look at your list, it proves a point your trying to ignore... your boy Joey is out the door for a reason... We've seen our offense when we can run effectively and we have a smart QB....... WR wasn't a problem at all. Perhaps for the future... drafting a Jarret or Ginn would help but i definetley know we have a more than adequate group of WRs.

Any team can win the SB with this group of WRs... what team can win the big one with a bum QB who can't get protection?

BTW MERGE !!!!!!
Yeah...just another coincidence that every QB struggles when they come to Miami. I think you have Chris Chambers on John Madden confused with the Chris Chambers that actually suits up for the Miami Dolphins.

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 02:53 PM
Agree, this is just another Hate-Chambers thread, and the poorest one of them all IMO. 1 star is too good for this thread, what a waste of readers time.
:lol: Shocking all the "Aint Chambers Fault" fan club is coming out of the woodwork. Didn't you guys read the first sentence?

FinAtic8480
02-28-2007, 02:53 PM
If you guys look at the big picture , you might understand this thread. Chambers absolutely dissapears in games. He makes the circus catches but not the one he needs to make. He drops balls. He is overpaid and is not a number 1 reciever. Dont bring up his pro bowl year, he was stinking it up at the beginning of the season and then showed up, but aside from that he is not no Ocho Cinco, Steve Smith, T.O. or Marvin Harrison....... Shoot I'd take Reggie Wayne and Plaxico Buress over Chambers and most of you would too.....

I swear alot of the Fans have this homer thing with CC. I need a number 1 I love the whole time and not one who at teams I wish I could kill. Please dont get me started with Mcmichael.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 02:56 PM
Shocking all the "Aint Chambers Fault" fan club is coming out of the woodwork. Didn't you guys read the first sentence?

yea i did but you have no evidence that directly says the reason those qbs were bad was because of chambers. so basically its a hate chambers thread. again.

12MaN
02-28-2007, 02:57 PM
let it go... your getting outta control with this...WR is not a problem... Qb is a big one tho, just look at your list, it proves a point your trying to ignore... your boy Joey is out the door for a reason... We've seen our offense when we can run effectively and we have a smart QB....... WR wasn't a problem at all. Perhaps for the future... drafting a Jarret or Ginn would help but i definetley know we have a more than adequate group of WRs.

Any team can win the SB with this group of WRs... what team can win the big one with a bum QB who can't get protection? I'm pretty sure replacing Harrington is already a top priority.

BTW MERGE !!!!!!

Your thoughts make me wonder how bad your football IQ is if you think we don't have a problem at the WR position.

Lab3003
02-28-2007, 02:58 PM
I 100% agree with the post. Chris Chambers is terrible. In fact, he is the lowest rated WR in the ENTIRE league. See for yourself, www.footballoutsiders.com.

If Drew Brees came to the Dolphins, he would have not excelled either. The offensive skill positions on this team need upgrading before this team can win a SB.

12MaN
02-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Warning…if you belong to the “Aint Chambers Fault” fan club NOW would be a good time to stop reading. For years the strategy for improving the passing game in the off season has remained the same. The assumption has been Miami is set at WR with Chambers and company while the problem has been at quarterback. While I am NOT arguing that we have had any elite quarterbacks since Marino retired our quarterbacks may not be as bad as Chamber fans claim. When I looked at the careers of the quarterbacks we have had in the past 5 years there is a disturbing trend…they mostly “SUCK” when they play for Miami. However, when they played elsewhere and had a decent #1 WR to throw to they were not all that bad. A look at the quarterbacks that played for Miami the past 5 years…

Jay Fiedler…
Career…
1008 comp 1717 attempts 11844 yards 69 TD 66 INT 77.1 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
936 comp 1603 attempts 11039 yards 66 TD 63 INT 76.78 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
72 comp 114 attempts 805 yards 3 TD 3 INT 81.84 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2005 NY Jets
8 comp 13 attempts 107 yards 1 TD 0 Int 113.3 QB rating

Ray Lucas…
Career…
280 comp 483 attempts 3029 yards 18 TD 17 INT 74.27 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
94 comp 163 attempts 1090 yards 4 TD 6 INT 70.84 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
186 comp 320 attempts 1939 yards 14 TD 11 INT 76.02 QB rating

Year Highest QB Rating…1999 NY Jets
161 comp 272 attempts 1678 yards 14 TD 6 Int 85.08 QB rating

Brian Griese…
Career…
1481 comp 2350 attempts 16564 yards 104 TD 80 Int 84.5 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
74 comp 130 attempts 813 yards 5 TD 6 Int 69.2 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
1407 comp 2220 attempts 15751 yards 99 TD 74 Int 85.44 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2000 Denver Broncos
216 comp 336 attempts 2688 yards 19 TD 4 Int 102.9 QB rating

AJ Feeley
Career…
313 comp 562 attempts 3389 yards 22 TD 21 INT 71.1 QB rating

As Miami Dolphin QB…
191 comp 356 attempts 1893 yards 11 TD 15 INT 61.7 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
122 comp 206 attempts 1496 yards 11 TD 6 INT 87.35 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2006 Philadelphia Eagles
26 comp 38 attempts 342 yards 3 TD 0 Int 122.9 QB rating

Sage Rosenfels…
Career…
81 comp 148 attempts 1041 yards 9 TD 7 Int 77.6 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
54 comp 109 attempts 776 yards 6 TD 6 Int 68.44 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
27 comp 39 attempts 265 yards 3 TD 1 Int 103 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2006 Houston Texans
27 comp 39 attempts 265 yards 3 TD 1 Int 103 QB rating

Gus Frerotte…
Career…
1427 comp 2638 attempts 18120 yards 95 TD 79 Int 75.3 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
257 comp 494 attempts 2996 yards 18 TD 13 Int 71.9 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
1170 comp 2144 attempts 15124 yards 77 TD 66 Int 76.10 QB rating

Year Highest QB Rating…2003 Minnesota Vikings
38 comp 65 attempts 690 yards 7 TD 2 Int 118.1 QB rating

Daunte Culpepper…
Career…
1759 comp 2741 attempts 21091 yards 137 TD 89 Int 90.8 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
81 comp 134 attempts 929 yards 2 TD 3 Int 77 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
1678 comp 2607 attempts 20162 yards 135 TD 86 Int 91.46 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2004 Minnesota Vikings
379 comp 548 attempts 4717 yards 39 TD 11 Int 110.9 QB rating

Joey Harrington…
Career…
1209 comp 2190 attempts 12478 yards 72 TD 77 Int 68.1 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
223 comp 388 attempts 2236 yards 12 TD 15 Int 68.2 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
986 comp 1802 attempts 10242 yards 60 TD 62 Int 68.12 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2004 Detroit Lions
274 comp 489 attempts 3047 yards 19 TD 12 Int 77.5 QB rating

So there is only “ONE” QB who has a higher passer rating as a Dolphin than when he played anywhere else and that was Harrington at 68.2 QB rating as a Dolphin vs. 68.1 QB rating for his career. However, Harrington probably had the worst OL and WR group in the NFL his first two years in Detroit. When Detroit drafted Roy Williams Harrington put up the following numbers the last two years there…

Joey Harrington…
Final two years with Detroit when had Roy Williams to throw to…
462 comp 819 attempts 5068 yards 31 TD 24 Int 75.28 QB rating

So this would be a more accurate comparison with Harrington of 68.2 QB rating as a Dolphin vs 75.28 not as Dolphin.

That would mean that every single QB we have had puts up the worst numbers of their career as a Miami Dolphin and not a single QB has had a career year with Miami. In fact, several of the QBs have had quite successful years playing elsewhere. So what is the common thread for all of the QBs…a WR group led by Chris Chambers. That is why I am under the belief that until we replace our current #1 WR with a legitimate #1 WR we will continue to have to go through a QB shuffle.

IMO improving the WR this offseason is as important as improving the QB position this offseason. I am hoping for a possible 1st and 2nd round draft that looks like Jarrett and Stanton or Quinn and Rice (if he drops this far). The time has come to replace our weakest position on our team.

Awsome post you hit it right on the spot. I agree with you 100%. Chambers needs to be moved to a #2 or #3 spot.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 02:59 PM
Yeah...just another coincidence that every QB struggles when they come to Miami. I think you have Chris Chambers on John Madden confused with the Chris Chambers that actually suits up for the Miami Dolphins.

Right....................... cool response DUDE !!!

trate121hb
02-28-2007, 03:01 PM
i think another WR via FA or draft would be nice but all those QB's have been terrible before and Cpep was hurt last year......give me a healthy QB and what we got now and our pass offense would be much improved......but a burner opposite Chambers would be nice.....

As for your post, it kinda sucks cause its a bit deceiving

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 03:01 PM
Your thoughts make me wonder how bad your football IQ is if you think we don't have a problem at the WR position.


you dont know what your talking about then.......... is #1 WR the "top priority" ? Its clearly NOT. We have more than enough talent at WR to compete therefore it is not a problem IMO....... What thats says about my Football IQ to you, is dependant on your own Football IQ. So apparently you wouldn't understand then. So what's the problem in your eyes ? 2 former ProBowlers still playing at a high level..... a promising 3rd round pick who is the Pac10s all time leader.... a prototype slot WR who is elusive in the open field and returns kicks...... What more do you want ???? Who's your guy to replace Chambers right now ?? And you attack my knowledge for the game.Gimme a break....

tyson22
02-28-2007, 03:01 PM
Yeah...just another coincidence that every QB struggles when they come to Miami. I think you have Chris Chambers on John Madden confused with the Chris Chambers that actually suits up for the Miami Dolphins.


right, the QB struggles have nothing to do with the constant coaching changes or the poor o-line play, its all the fault of ONE WR:shakeno: we need help at reciever but its not 100% because of chambers. what this offense needs is consistency in its offensive scheme and a playbook that doesnt change every year. why didnt you take any of that into account when you were evaluating that list of all those superstar QBs? :rolleyes2

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 03:03 PM
yea i did but you have no evidence that directly says the reason those qbs were bad was because of chambers. so basically its a hate chambers thread. again.

Perhaps this will shed some light on who the real problem is...

Daunte Culpepper for season:

81 com 134 att 60.4% comp 929 yds 2 TD 3 INT 77 QB rating

Culpepper when throwing to Chambers:

16 comp 39 att 41% comp 181 yds 2 TD 1 INT 62 QB rating (2 TD were against soft defenses at end of games I might add)

Culpepper when throwing to everyone not named Chambers:

65 comp 95 att 68.4% comp 748 yds 0 TD 2 INT 83.1 QB rating

Cleo Lemon for season:

38 com 68 att 55.8% comp 412 yds 2 TD 1 INT 77.6 QB rating

Lemon when throwing to Chambers:

3 comp 14 att 21.4% comp 39 yds 0 TD 0 INT 39.58 QB rating

Lemon when throwing to everyone not named Chambers:

35 comp 57 att 64.8% comp 373 yds 2 TD 1 INT 86.41 QB rating

Joey Harrington for season:

223 comp 388 att 57.4% comp 2236 yds 12 TD 15 INT 68.2 QB rating

Harrington when throwing to Chambers:

40 comp 101 att 39.6% comp 457 yds 2 TD 8 INT 27.53 QB rating

Harrington when throwing to everyone not named Chambers:

183 comp 287 att 63.76% comp 1779 yds 10 TD 7 INT 82.49 QB rating

Total Culpepper / Harrington / Lemon for season:

342 comp 590 att 57.9% comp 3577 yds 16 TD 19 INT 71.27 QB rating

Total Culpepper / Harrington / Lemon when throwing to Chambers:

59 comp 154 att 38.3% comp 677 yds 4 TD 9 INT 36.63 QB rating

Total Culpepper / Harrington / Lemon when throwing to everyone not named

Although we do have a solid #2...what happens when throwing to a decent WR?
Joey Harrington when throwing to Booker:
40 comp 61 attempts 65.57% comp 525 yds (8.60 ypa) 5 TD 1 INT 113.08 QB rating

PhinsRock
02-28-2007, 03:04 PM
:lol: Shocking all the "Aint Chambers Fault" fan club is coming out of the woodwork. Didn't you guys read the first sentence?

You're just as wrong as this thread is poorly done, I actually want Chambers moved to the slot. As I have posted before. A lousy thread is a lousy thread, I call em like I see em. This is just another hate-Chambers thread, that statement in no way infers I am a part of any Chambers fan club. Why don't you think a minute before you post? Might not get so much criticism. And your only defense is wrong to boot.

tcdrover
02-28-2007, 03:04 PM
That's interesting, but I think that speaks more for our ENTIRE offensive system than just Chambers.

I don't like Chambers at all, but I don't think we should get rid of him. He should be our 2nd or 3rd wide-out.

Some guys just can't handle the load and all of the pressure of being the #1 guy, while other guys just feed of the pressure like that beast over with the Panthers, Steve Smith...

The real problem IMO is that they should never have given him that big contract. He isn't that calibre of receiver, that contract ruined him. Instead of trying to improve which is what he should have done, he is content to drop passes and blame the QB or Offensive game plan or anything else he can think of...

cornell
02-28-2007, 03:05 PM
I'm not a Chambers lover or hater. I think he can be a great WR and shows this with very acrobatic catches, but also seems to drop the easy ones WAY too often.

I think the QB's do have a lot of blame. Just thinking of Lucas makes me depressed. It is not the reciever's fault when a QB throws that many int's in a game (or several games). Yes there may be tips, but most of the int's that have plagued the team in the past few years were bad bad decisions by the QB to either not recognize the coverage, or forcing a pass when throwing it away would have been a better option. When we went 4-12 a few years ago, I believe we had about 6-10 ints that were returned for TDs. That cannot be blamed on the WR's. Yes we have had WAY too many drops that should have been caught which stall drives and lead to a losing effort. Does Chambers deserve criticism? Yes. Are all the offensive issues his fault?? Definitely not!. We need a QB that makes the right decisions, a coaching staff that makes logical play calling, and recievers ( WR's and TE's) that don't have so many easy drops.

That's just my opinion.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 03:08 PM
I 100% agree with the post. Chris Chambers is terrible. In fact, he is the lowest rated WR in the ENTIRE league. See for yourself, www.footballoutsiders.com (http://www.footballoutsiders.com).

If Drew Brees came to the Dolphins, he would have not excelled either. The offensive skill positions on this team need upgrading before this team can win a SB.

yet football outsiders says that a poor qb can affect a players ranking, and our qbs last year are towards the bottom. does it take into the account the bad passes and inaccurate passes thrown to chambers? point is as a whole the offense is terrible and wasnt completely chambers fault.

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 03:08 PM
Good post Reno, I have been saying this forever, Chambers is a QB Killer. When you've been through 5 or 6 different Qb's with the same set of recievers and every QB put up roughly the same pathetic numbers here and better numbers elsewhere it's obvious the recievers are the problem. I don't see why it's so hard for some folks to understand.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 03:09 PM
ill ask again.



what this offense needs is consistency in its offensive scheme and a playbook that doesnt change every year. why didnt you take any of that into account when you were evaluating that list of all those superstar QBs? :rolleyes2


this is definitely a hate chambers thread! how can you even argue that when you are placing the woes of an entire offense on the back of ONE receiver.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 03:12 PM
Perhaps this will shed some light on who the real problem is...

Daunte Culpepper for season:

81 com 134 att 60.4% comp 929 yds 2 TD 3 INT 77 QB rating

Culpepper when throwing to Chambers:

16 comp 39 att 41% comp 181 yds 2 TD 1 INT 62 QB rating (2 TD were against soft defenses at end of games I might add)

Culpepper when throwing to everyone not named Chambers:

65 comp 95 att 68.4% comp 748 yds 0 TD 2 INT 83.1 QB rating

Cleo Lemon for season:

38 com 68 att 55.8% comp 412 yds 2 TD 1 INT 77.6 QB rating

Lemon when throwing to Chambers:

3 comp 14 att 21.4% comp 39 yds 0 TD 0 INT 39.58 QB rating

Lemon when throwing to everyone not named Chambers:

35 comp 57 att 64.8% comp 373 yds 2 TD 1 INT 86.41 QB rating

Joey Harrington for season:

223 comp 388 att 57.4% comp 2236 yds 12 TD 15 INT 68.2 QB rating

Harrington when throwing to Chambers:

40 comp 101 att 39.6% comp 457 yds 2 TD 8 INT 27.53 QB rating

Harrington when throwing to everyone not named Chambers:

183 comp 287 att 63.76% comp 1779 yds 10 TD 7 INT 82.49 QB rating

Total Culpepper / Harrington / Lemon for season:

342 comp 590 att 57.9% comp 3577 yds 16 TD 19 INT 71.27 QB rating

Total Culpepper / Harrington / Lemon when throwing to Chambers:

59 comp 154 att 38.3% comp 677 yds 4 TD 9 INT 36.63 QB rating

Total Culpepper / Harrington / Lemon when throwing to everyone not named

Although we do have a solid #2...what happens when throwing to a decent WR?
Joey Harrington when throwing to Booker:
40 comp 61 attempts 65.57% comp 525 yds (8.60 ypa) 5 TD 1 INT 113.08 QB rating

show me where chambers is to blame for all of that because that is what you are infering. your saying chambers is to blame for the qbs struggle. period. its no one else's fault. ok so harrington had good chemistry to booker. i dont think harrington is going to be considered a good qb by any means. basically your re hasing your previous post of i hate chambers and not providing anything that says its completely chambers fault for the problems we had at qb.

FinAtic8480
02-28-2007, 03:14 PM
Chambers cant get open and can be shot down in games. When your number 1 reciever is only good in the slot you have a problem.....

tyson22
02-28-2007, 03:15 PM
basically your re hasing your previous post of i hate chambers and not providing anything that says its completely chambers fault for the problems we had at qb.


exactly and the thing is it takes so many less words to just type out, i hate chambers. you arent showing anything at all to prove your point.

Vertical Limit
02-28-2007, 03:15 PM
Great post, nice research.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 03:16 PM
comparing QBs stats on one team with their stats here in Miami and placing all the blame on a single WR is absolute inexcusable ignorance... is it not true that we've had too many OC's, QBs, and one of the worst 0-lines of late.. ?? How would that not matter ?

the only worthy statistical Chambers thread is the one in my sig.......... it is completley free of skewed stats....... all info has an actual source and the point is made well. No need for everyone to make their own attempt at making people look bad.... look how pathetic it is that people are trying like hell to come up with numbers to prove that CC isnt that good. If you have to try that hard.... your a hater by definition.

AC84 -over and out

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 03:18 PM
exactly and the thing is it takes so many less words to just type out, i hate chambers. you arent showing anything at all to prove your point.

yea its one thing to say the receivers are the reason the qbs we have had in the past were bad but its another reason to say that they were bad simply because of chambers.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Great post, nice research.


please tell me you are joking:confused: if anyone thinks that these statistics prove renos point well i just dont know what to say. the only thing those stats show is that we need to get better qbs and have some consistency in our playbook.

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 03:25 PM
yea its one thing to say the receivers are the reason the qbs we have had in the past were bad but its another reason to say that they were bad simply because of chambers.

Read it and weep:

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/gameday/chris_chambers_the_worst_wr_in_football.php

"It seems absolutely unfathomable to me that anyone who watches him on a regular basis could make a case that Chris Chambers is a star receiver. Chambers has had to deal with some poor quarterbacks, indeed, but if he were really a stud stuck with mediocre talent all around him, he wouldn't be this bad. There simply is not a wide receiver in our database (looking back to 1997) who has played this poorly in what should be the prime of his career and recovered to be an elite wide receiver. When Gregg Easterbrook was railing against the evils of SportsCenter several weeks ago, he didn't point out one of the real flaws that SportsCenter's introduced: false perception. You can watch a highlight package of Chris Chambers plays and think he's amazing. If you watched him for a season, you might be able to forget about the drops or the mistakes. You'd have to watch that highlight package quite a few times, though. Chris Chambers has a better chance of being out of football in three years than he does of appearing in a Pro Bowl. If that seems absurd to you, I'd reply by saying that nominating the worst wide receiver in the league to go to the Pro Bowl would be an equally absurd proposition."

Elliott 1
02-28-2007, 03:25 PM
To all you guys who want to keep Chambers and move him to the the slot or keep him as a #2: THE MONEY THE MONEY THE MONEY THE MONEY

Nobody pays 7mil to a slot receiver.

He should be traded while he can be traded. Next year he will be worth even less.

TRADE CHAMBERS

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 03:29 PM
Chris Chambers has a better chance of being out of football in three years than he does of appearing in a Pro Bowl.


cuz making the probowl is totally impossible for him right ???? He made it with one backup QB, this year it just didn't work out. I'm really sorry your boy Joey didnt pan out but your being rediculous with this. He's the one that's already a goner and that says enough for me. Had last offseason worked out the way we really wanted.... Gus would have been our backup and you guys would most likely have to take the hate fest elsewhere. I guess Moolarkey would still be calling the plays tho.... he did call for enought throws to Chambers, however 54.5 % of them were uncatchable. Ofcourse uncatchable doesn't totally get CC off the hook because his biggest knock is his routes/seperation.... But i watched every game, the chemistry was horrible and harrington couldn't make throws downfield AT ALL. CC is one of the best offensive perimeter players in the GAME IMO. He is like Chris Carter or Marvin Harrison and has great awareness in that respect. Unfortunatley i don't think those skills matched up well with a Joey Harrington who loves McMichaels and Bookers.:D

PerfectTeam
02-28-2007, 03:32 PM
Read it and weep:

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/gameday/chris_chambers_the_worst_wr_in_football.php

"It seems absolutely unfathomable to me that anyone who watches him on a regular basis could make a case that Chris Chambers is a star receiver. Chambers has had to deal with some poor quarterbacks, indeed, but if he were really a stud stuck with mediocre talent all around him, he wouldn't be this bad. There simply is not a wide receiver in our database (looking back to 1997) who has played this poorly in what should be the prime of his career and recovered to be an elite wide receiver. When Gregg Easterbrook was railing against the evils of SportsCenter several weeks ago, he didn't point out one of the real flaws that SportsCenter's introduced: false perception. You can watch a highlight package of Chris Chambers plays and think he's amazing. If you watched him for a season, you might be able to forget about the drops or the mistakes. You'd have to watch that highlight package quite a few times, though. Chris Chambers has a better chance of being out of football in three years than he does of appearing in a Pro Bowl. If that seems absurd to you, I'd reply by saying that nominating the worst wide receiver in the league to go to the Pro Bowl would be an equally absurd proposition."

yea i read it and just like football outsiders say themselves, they cannot fully take into account the poor qb play. do you think guys like steve smith and chad johnson would have had good years in our offense? like airchambers said, look in his sig and read the post that someone did and invalidates this article in my opinion. im not saying chambers is a number one but im saying the faults of our qbs past and present, arent on the shoulders of chambers himself but the offense as whole

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 03:34 PM
????????????????????? I really dont understand CC Hater logic.
Your telling me theres absolutley no chance he could every play as well as he did with Gus even if Cpep comes back fully healthy or Brady quinn is a phin and becomes the next Peyton.... How you could possibly say it's impossible for him to do what he's already done again, and again.... doesn't make sense to doubt him like that.
:lol: Just look at your avatar. It says it all. Notice that Chambers is not even close to looking the ball into his hands. That must be why he has to try and "chest catch" everything and why he drops so many balls when does try to use his hands. It is obviously the picture was taken during practice bc otherwise he would have a defender all over him bc he doesn't separation either.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 03:36 PM
Read it and weep:

http://www.bostonsportsmedia.com/archives/gameday/chris_chambers_the_worst_wr_in_football.php

"It seems absolutely unfathomable to me that anyone who watches him on a regular basis could make a case that Chris Chambers is a star receiver. Chambers has had to deal with some poor quarterbacks, indeed, but if he were really a stud stuck with mediocre talent all around him, he wouldn't be this bad. There simply is not a wide receiver in our database (looking back to 1997) who has played this poorly in what should be the prime of his career and recovered to be an elite wide receiver. When Gregg Easterbrook was railing against the evils of SportsCenter several weeks ago, he didn't point out one of the real flaws that SportsCenter's introduced: false perception. You can watch a highlight package of Chris Chambers plays and think he's amazing. If you watched him for a season, you might be able to forget about the drops or the mistakes. You'd have to watch that highlight package quite a few times, though. Chris Chambers has a better chance of being out of football in three years than he does of appearing in a Pro Bowl. If that seems absurd to you, I'd reply by saying that nominating the worst wide receiver in the league to go to the Pro Bowl would be an equally absurd proposition."

well ac84's sig article disclaims this one. chambers wasnt the sole reason this offense sucked. it was everyone's fault on offense from top to bottom

Tone_E
02-28-2007, 03:39 PM
I realize everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this one's argument is weak. I've read other Chambers bashing threads that brought up excellent points, and I still feel no need or desire to trade Chambers. I thread like this just makes me laugh.

Just curious though, who are you gonna replace Chambers with? Loud mouth Porter? Injury prone Stallworth who is one failed drug test away from a 4 gamer (not confirmed, dont ask for link), Randy I play when I want Moss?

And what, you think you are gonna save cap space this way? You think they will catch over/underthrown balls? Hell no!!! And guess what, they can't make the aerobic catches. Given, Chambers drops a few, but no one is perfect. Thats why there's erasers on the ends of pencils.

Would you prefer TO instead? Oh, just remembered, he had more drops than Chambers, AND Chambers' drops include the ones he got one finger nail on due to our pathetic QBs.

I guess this thread is good advertising for my Chambers support movement. CHECK MY SIG.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 03:39 PM
:lol: Just look at your avatar. It says it all. Notice that Chambers is not even close to looking the ball into his hands. That must be why he has to try and "chest catch" everything and why he drops so many balls when does try to use his hands. It is obviously the picture was taken during practice bc otherwise he would have a defender all over him bc he doesn't separation either.

seeing as how the avatar is a touchdown catch against the chargers. unless you mean the sig, where like your post you have no proof.

FinAtic8480
02-28-2007, 03:43 PM
Besides Chambers, this team has to replace Cpep and Mcmichael im kind of iffy on....

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 03:46 PM
seeing as how the avatar is a touchdown catch against the chargers. unless you mean the sig, where like your post you have no proof.
Yes...thanks for the correction. That TD was two years ago right? (rhetorical)

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 03:53 PM
Good post Reno, I have been saying this forever, Chambers is a QB Killer. When you've been through 5 or 6 different Qb's with the same set of recievers and every QB put up roughly the same pathetic numbers here and better numbers elsewhere it's obvious the recievers are the problem. I don't see why it's so hard for some folks to understand.
Yep, you have been right on. I thought this would dispel what basically was the last argument in support of Chambers and that was, "It is all the QBs fault."

What are thoughts on who to go after in FA / draft at WR?

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 03:59 PM
:lol: Just look at your avatar. It says it all. Notice that Chambers is not even close to looking the ball into his hands. That must be why he has to try and "chest catch" everything and why he drops so many balls when does try to use his hands. It is obviously the picture was taken during practice bc otherwise he would have a defender all over him bc he doesn't separation either.

:confused: not helping your case dude.
and i think you meant signature not avatar.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 04:00 PM
I thought this would dispel what basically was the last argument in support of Chambers and that was, "It is all the QBs fault."



:lol: you thought what would dispel that? your stellar research into a list of mediocre QBs that did (ahem) "better" when they werent on the phins? or your complete disregard for any other factors that would have caused them to play "worse" for the phins? YOU HAVE PROVED NOTHING WITH YOUR POSTS!:confused2

LeftCoastFinFan
02-28-2007, 04:00 PM
If you guys look at the big picture , you might understand this thread. Chambers absolutely dissapears in games. He makes the circus catches but not the one he needs to make. He drops balls. He is overpaid and is not a number 1 reciever. Dont bring up his pro bowl year, he was stinking it up at the beginning of the season and then showed up, but aside from that he is not no Ocho Cinco, Steve Smith, T.O. or Marvin Harrison....... Shoot I'd take Reggie Wayne and Plaxico Buress over Chambers and most of you would too.....

I swear alot of the Fans have this homer thing with CC. I need a number 1 I love the whole time and not one who at teams I wish I could kill. Please dont get me started with Mcmichael.


Couldn't have said it better myself. While I don't necessarily agree with the premise of this thread, I totally agree that Chambers is way to inconsistant to be a reliable #1, and I get awfully tired of people making excuses for all of the flat-out drops that Chambers had last year. Those are not the fault of anyone but his own hands.

And don't get me started on McMike. :tantrum:

:)

Kthurmus23
02-28-2007, 04:02 PM
right, the QB struggles have nothing to do with the constant coaching changes or the poor o-line play, its all the fault of ONE WR:shakeno: we need help at reciever but its not 100% because of chambers. what this offense needs is consistency in its offensive scheme and a playbook that doesnt change every year. why didnt you take any of that into account when you were evaluating that list of all those superstar QBs? :rolleyes2
Great response, totally agree.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 04:03 PM
Good post Reno, I have been saying this forever, Chambers is a QB Killer. When you've been through 5 or 6 different Qb's with the same set of recievers and every QB put up roughly the same pathetic numbers here and better numbers elsewhere it's obvious the recievers are the problem. I don't see why it's so hard for some folks to understand.


Helllo???.......................... offensive line anyone ????? HELLLOOOOOOOOOO??
and what exactly have Jay Fiedler, Griese ,Gus Frerrotte, Sage, Feeley, Ray Lucas etc. done elsewhere ? LOL
How much stupider can this argument get ??? There... i used the word stupider....
you guys make me laugh, i really enjoy this.



He drops balls. He is overpaid and is not a number 1 reciever. Dont bring up his pro bowl year, he was stinking it up at the beginning of the season and then showed up, but aside from that he is not no Ocho Cinco, Steve Smith, T.O. or Marvin Harrison....... Shoot I'd take Reggie Wayne and Plaxico Buress over Chambers and most of you would too.....

You cite dropping balls as his major flaw ?
News Flash : All WRs drop balls... and, Shocking news to You: more than half the WRs you listed dropped more balls than Chris Chambers in 2006 !!!! :sidelol:
Heck while we're at it.... I'd take any of those Wr's Qbs or Offensive lines over Chris Chambers' QB or 0-line...... :lol:

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 04:03 PM
Yep, you have been right on. I thought this would dispel what basically was the last argument in support of Chambers and that was, "It is all the QBs fault."

What are thoughts on who to go after in FA / draft at WR?

Haven't put alot of thought into it, I think this draft is so heavy on receivers that we could easily find a very good wideout in the second round but with so many roster changes coming who knows exactly what is going to happen. I like what i've seen so far though, especially if the rumors of Trent Green coming, Culpepper leaving and Quinn being drafted all come to fruition. It would seem next year is a rebuilding year and we will go to town in 08 with Quinn at QB and a fresh roster on offense.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 04:09 PM
Great response, totally agree.


thanks. im curious at what renos response to this post is though since he hasnt responded to it yet.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 04:09 PM
Yes...thanks for the correction. That TD was two years ago right? (rhetorical)

yea and it was last year so whats your point?

GRYPHONK
02-28-2007, 04:11 PM
Dolphin fans seem to always blame everyone else but the star players.

It isn't Chambers it is the QB'S
It wasn't the defense it was Fiedler
It was Mare's fault
It wasn't Surtain it was Madison
It wasn't Surtain or Madison it was the Safeties
It wasn't Marion or Walker it was Buckley
It wasn't Williams it the O-line, but yet it was Fiedler's fault not the O-line.

This isn't to say that Chambers isn't good, but how many excuses do people need to make for certain players.

The poster may not have had a solid point in this thread but there is relevance to it. Some of these QB'S have had solid years else where but can't seem to get it together here with, who some proclaim, to be the next Randy Moss.

It has always been the QB'S fault here since Marino retired. That is the common them.

But I have seen to many dropped TD passes, to many 50 yard receptions dropped by Chambers to put the blame on anyone else other then Chambers.

Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge I have seen Chambers open many a times and the QB just plainly over or underthrow him.

But I am sick of the QB excuse

Hines Ward did it with Maddox and Kordel Stewart at QB. 1000 YARD SEASON and a Pro Bowl

Marty Booker did it with Kordell Stewart and Jim Miller at QB. 3 1000 yard seasons and Pro Bowls

Randy Moss did it with Jeff George and Cunningham. 1000 yard season and Pro Bowls

I can go on with other examples. But an elite WR makes his own magic. You think Terrel Owens is so great because he has a QB throwing him accurate passes every down?

I like Chambers and think he has plenty of potential. But how long are some of you gonna sit here and keep making excuses for him when he still, years into this league, TRIES to catch the ball with his body not his hands?

Yes I would trade him. It's not a matter of getting someone better. It's a matter of moving on. Harrington, Pepper, Lucas, Griese, Frerotte. None of them did any better for this team then Jay Fiedler did. However it was time to move on and go elsewhere.

If Chambers is willing to take a huge paycut I am all for keeping him. But the guy couldn't thrive when we obviously game planned to throw him the ball.

I will say this though. I love the guys character. He has a good attitude.

Tone_E
02-28-2007, 04:11 PM
Helllo.......................... offensive line anyone ????? HELLLOOOOOOOOOO
and what exactly have Jay Fiedler, Griese ,Gus Frerrotte, Sage, Feeley, Ray Lucas etc. done elsewhere ? LOL
How much stupider can this argument get ??? There... i used the word stupider....
you guys make me laugh, i really enjoy this.

:lol: Don't you know, those guys would've been Pro Bowlers if it wasn't for Chambers.

Well Said AirChambers....well said.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 04:15 PM
yea and it was last year so whats your point?

his point is simple. he hates chambers. he should have just said what the thread was about in the beginning. he absolutely refuses to admit that there are other factors for those qb's he listed that led to them being no good for the phins. its chambers fault. period.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 04:18 PM
Dolphin fans seem to always blame everyone else but the star players.

It isn't Chambers it is the QB'S
It wasn't the defense it was Fiedler
It was Mare's fault
It wasn't Surtain it was Madison
It wasn't Surtain or Madison it was the Safeties
It wasn't Marion or Walker it was Buckley
It wasn't Williams it the O-line, but yet it was Fiedler's fault not the O-line.

This isn't to say that Chambers isn't good, but how many excuses do people need to make for certain players.

The poster may not have had a solid point in this thread but there is relevance to it. Some of these QB'S have had solid years else where but can't seem to get it together here with, who some proclaim, to be the next Randy Moss.

It has always been the QB'S fault here since Marino retired. That is the common them.

But I have seen to many dropped TD passes, to many 50 yard receptions dropped by Chambers to put the blame on anyone else other then Chambers.

Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge I have seen Chambers open many a times and the QB just plainly over or underthrow him.

But I am sick of the QB excuse

Hines Ward did it with Maddox and Kordel Stewart at QB. 1000 YARD SEASON and a Pro Bowl

Marty Booker did it with Kordell Stewart and Jim Miller at QB. 3 1000 yard seasons and Pro Bowls

Randy Moss did it with Jeff George and Cunningham. 1000 yard season and Pro Bowls

I can go on with other examples. But an elite WR makes his own magic. You think Terrel Owens is so great because he has a QB throwing him accurate passes every down?

I like Chambers and think he has plenty of potential. But how long are some of you gonna sit here and keep making excuses for him when he still, years into this league, TRIES to catch the ball with his body not his hands?

Yes I would trade him. It's not a matter of getting someone better. It's a matter of moving on. Harrington, Pepper, Lucas, Griese, Frerotte. None of them did any better for this team then Jay Fiedler did. However it was time to move on and go elsewhere.

If Chambers is willing to take a huge paycut I am all for keeping him. But the guy couldn't thrive when we obviously game planned to throw him the ball.

I will say this though. I love the guys character. He has a good attitude.

the main problem i have had with this thread is the fact that he solely blames chambers for the offenses problems and no one else. he basically said the qbs would have put up better numbers if not for him which is completely absurd. do i think chambers is a #1? no, definitely not. is he a decent receiver? i think so. to say the offense was terrible because of him is a lame excuse for flat out hating the guy.

motioncityhifi
02-28-2007, 04:19 PM
his point is simple. he hates chambers. he should have just said what the thread was about in the beginning. he absolutely refuses to admit that there are other factors for those qb's he listed that led to them being no good for the phins. its chambers fault. period.

oh i know he hates chambers but id rather not keep stating the obvious.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 04:29 PM
Going straight to "replace" before even considering a "restructure" just says you dislike him and don't want him on the team IMO. To me... it says you don't appreciate the character guy he's always been, and all that he's done as a phin . 1st 1000 yard WR in a long time for us(OJ in 98), 1st Pro-Bowl WR in even longer i believe... Is already one of the Dolphins best WRs ever and should challenge Clayton for All-time leader in most significant catagories..all in less time, without Dan Marino, in a run-oriented offense. Almost always comes up big in big games even tho we havent had many. Has done it all with scraps of an offense minus some skill position players. Show some respect Dolphin fans.

GridIronKing34
02-28-2007, 04:32 PM
Quoting the stats the threadstarter presented us with...

What I do not understand is how people say that people in favor of not cutting/trading Chambers have no knowledge in football. It amazes me that some of you are unable to take criticism OR cannot deal with a different in opinion. To some of you, grow up. To start off with, those stats are unfair and twisted into your own manner. Culpepper's best season was before a horrible injury, we put him on the field when he shouldn't have been on there and you're trying to make a point? Harrington is crap, nothing more. Harrington has a chemistry with Williams, that MIGHT be why he played better with Roy. Harrington worked with the SECOND TEAM, ala Welker and Hagan. He probably worked with Booker more than he did Chambers. Chambers worked with Culpepper. Maybe that's why some of this occured. You're saying Fiedler has his best year when he threw a little over 10 times. I would love call that stupidity, but we'll just call it an irrational thought. You're saying how some of our QBs had their best season when they played just ONE game for another team. C'mon, don't be an idiot. I clearly think that this thread is one of the dumbest threads made in this week. I've seen a lot of dumb threads around here.


Shocking all the "Aint Chambers Fault" fan club is coming out of the woodwork. Didn't you guys read the first sentence?

Well smart one, you're the one who provoked us. No wonder why we took offense. We're going to read what we want no matter what you tell us to. If everyone agreed with you in this world, hell would freeze over... twice.


Your thoughts make me wonder how bad your football IQ is if you think we don't have a problem at the WR position.

Anyone whose response to someone's arguement is "you have no football knowledge" make me think that they have no real arguement, just disrespect the other guy by questioning his DIFFERENCE IN OPINION. No sir I do not question your football knowledge, but I do know that you're never going to be my lawyer.


I 100% agree with the post. Chris Chambers is terrible. In fact, he is the lowest rated WR in the ENTIRE league.

So what? Those stats mean absoluetly nothing. Go ahead, give Chambers to the Jets and put Tim Dwight as our #1, because he's ahead of Chambers in that stupid "rating system". The Jets would surely love you for it...


Good post Reno, I have been saying this forever, Chambers is a QB Killer. When you've been through 5 or 6 different Qb's with the same set of recievers and every QB put up roughly the same pathetic numbers here and better numbers elsewhere it's obvious the recievers are the problem. I don't see why it's so hard for some folks to understand.

Good post blue haze. Once you realize that chemistry with your QB means the world, then I may understand. Then once you bring in the fact that we've had a different o-line every year (not just one player either)... then Maybe... maybe I'll take you seriously.


To all you guys who want to keep Chambers and move him to the the slot or keep him as a #2: THE MONEY THE MONEY THE MONEY THE MONEY

Nobody pays 7mil to a slot receiver

I'll pay 7 mil to a slot receiver if he puts up the numbers he did the last 6 games of 2005 in the slot. Notice he puts up huge numbers when we line him up in the slot? I want him as our number one, but when 3 receiver sets come up, he goes in the slot. We don't LITERALLY mean he only plays on 3 receiver sets at the 3rd receiver. That's the way you're taking it and don't lie your way out of it.

That's it... I'm not going to sit here and post every single person's post I disagree with this. I will you with this. Anyone who says Chambers is a bad person (with the media, blaming QBs and O-line, etc..) Get an effin' clue. He wasn't named Dolphin of the Year for nothing. When I watched him in interviews, the one thing I loved was he didn't place any blame on anyone. He didn't complain about getting enough balls earlier this year, he said that He can't complain about his personal accomplishments when the team is winning! My god. And lastly, sure the WR is pretty loaded this year, but there's no gurantee who will be a for sure #1. I'd rather draft a WR to compliment Chambers, not overthrow him on his first year! I respect your opinions for the most part, but if anyone questions my football knowledge or says something of the sort... I'm gonna flip.

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Going straight to "replace" before even considering a "restructure" just says you dislike him and don't want him on the team IMO. To me... it says you don't appreciate the character guy he's always been, and all that he's done as a phin .

Why would you restructure a bad player? That just ensures your stuck with them for even longer. I suspect Cameron will trade Chambers long before he restructures his contract.

tyson22
02-28-2007, 04:45 PM
Why would you restructure a bad player?


:sidelol: you guys are hilarious! now chambers is bad? before he wasnt a #1 now hes just bad!:lol: you guys are ridiculous. my guess is there are a lot of other teams that would love to be "stuck" with chambers.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 04:53 PM
Why would you restructure a bad player? That just ensures your stuck with them for even longer. I suspect Cameron will trade Chambers long before he restructures his contract.

:sidelol: You can't even hide it anymore !!!!
Sad Really. You sound so much like that Ronnie Hater that apparently doesn't use that username anymore. That's what happens.:D

PerfectTeam
02-28-2007, 04:55 PM
:sidelol: you guys are hilarious! now chambers is bad? before he wasnt a #1 now hes just bad!:lol: you guys are ridiculous. my guess is there are a lot of other teams that would love to be "stuck" with chambers.

yea i mean look at the guys avatar, of course he doesnt like the guy. the point is the stats presented are extremely skewed and not factual.

finserg
02-28-2007, 04:58 PM
I in no way hate chambers but the go sure deserves a pay cut and I mean now.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 04:59 PM
yea i mean look at the guys avatar, of course he doesnt like the guy. the point is the stats presented are extremely skewed and not factual.


the biggest Joey Harrington fans i can remember from the regular season, a few in this thread... actually went threw the trouble of makings .gifs of Chambers dropping the football to either pass blame or make public how much they depise him. So Sad. :boohoo:

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 05:12 PM
:sidelol: you guys are hilarious! now chambers is bad? before he wasnt a #1 now hes just bad!:lol: you guys are ridiculous. my guess is there are a lot of other teams that would love to be "stuck" with chambers.


Don't be so sure, rumor was that the Phins had been shopping Chambers around last month. Apparently there were no takers though.

http://www.mytvisonfire.com/packersnation/?cat=16

djavelin
02-28-2007, 05:16 PM
It just shows how ****y we have been at QB .I could throw better than lucas.**** when we do get are team rollin Chambers is one of the good receivers.That was one of the pardon my words.

THe gayest thread ive read.

I really see no freakn point in there on Chambers.

2000-2003 we lost because of play calling or inability at QB


Granted Chambers might not be a true #!

But i rather have him then alot of other jokers.
Wait and see.

What has **** Moss done in oak.THAT punk has done nothing.

In comparison.

Chambers over the last 2 yrs is better than Moss.



Oak is great with Moss i keep hearing.........Yeah right.



Get a clue.


GO DOLPHINS...........#! WE NEED 1 MORE WR AND WE ARE DONE THERE .


I say we put receivers in on downs they are comfortable with.And put them where they are utilized best.


05 Frerotte did fine throwing to CC.


ProBowl........Gus actually has a connon and probly the only QB since that guy in #13 with deep ball streangth.


Quit knockin are boy.When we see a real Qb out there CC will surprise.

djavelin
02-28-2007, 05:20 PM
It just shows how ****y we have been at QB .I could throw better than lucas.**** when we do get are team rollin Chambers is one of the good receivers.That was one of the pardon my words.

THe gayest thread ive read.

I really see no freakn point in there on Chambers.

2000-2003 we lost because of play calling or inability at QB


Granted Chambers might not be a true #!

But i rather have him then alot of other jokers.
Wait and see.

What has **** Moss done in oak.THAT punk has done nothing.

In comparison.

Chambers over the last 2 yrs is better than Moss.



Oak is great with Moss i keep hearing.........Yeah right.



Get a clue.


GO DOLPHINS...........#! WE NEED 1 MORE WR AND WE ARE DONE THERE .


I say we put receivers in on downs they are comfortable with.And put them where they are utilized best.


05 Frerotte did fine throwing to CC.


ProBowl........Gus actually has a connon and probly the only QB since that guy in #13 with deep ball streangth.


Quit knockin are boy.When we see a real Qb out there CC will surprise.

Aqua4Ever04
02-28-2007, 05:51 PM
Agree, this is just another Hate-Chambers thread, and the poorest one of them all IMO. 1 star is too good for this thread, what a waste of readers time.

On posts like this, I just read the responses to see if it's worth my time. From the title, I already knew it wasn't, just another attempt to take shots at Chambers.

EDIT: Notice that just about all of the QBs have thrown a signifcantly more amount of passes with the Dolphins than with the other teams. What does this tell us? It says that these guys are just scrubs that can't cut it any where else, but we still give them a chance.

GridIronKing34
02-28-2007, 06:15 PM
No name calling!


On posts like this, I just read the responses to see if it's worth my time. From the title, I already knew it wasn't, just another attempt to take shots at Chambers.

EDIT: Notice that just about all of the QBs have thrown a signifcantly more amount of passes with the Dolphins than with the other teams. What does this tell us? It says that these guys are just scrubs that can't cut it any where else, but we still give them a chance.

Pffft, didn't even compliment me on my speech I did on page four. So unlike you. :lol:

rob19
02-28-2007, 06:19 PM
*poof* i have replaced Chambers with the Jerry Rice reincarnate.

I mean c'mon guys, we all know the Dolphins obviously dont have any other needs. I mean, we all know the rest of our team is sure fire HOF's, we should totally replace this guy. Didnt you guys know that the cap no longer applies to us, and teams will willingly trade up or down or whatever we fancy to grab the player we all want, did no one else get the memo?

I recommend everyone to VIP, its well worth it.

NorFlaFin
02-28-2007, 06:32 PM
Aside from R.Brown and V.Carey no starter on last seasons entire "O" would start for a top tier NFL team.

dcm
02-28-2007, 06:34 PM
Good post Reno, I have been saying this forever, Chambers is a QB Killer. When you've been through 5 or 6 different Qb's with the same set of recievers and every QB put up roughly the same pathetic numbers here and better numbers elsewhere it's obvious the recievers are the problem. I don't see why it's so hard for some folks to understand.

Yeah.....those 5 or 6 guys are really lighting up the league right now, Griese is so damn good he can't beat out Rex Grossman!

Feeley? Feeley? I've seen baseball pitchers with quicker deliveries! .......Fiedler? Fiedler? Frerrotte?.....Lucas? The guy that was crying in Buffalo on national T.V.?

I suppose the next thing your going to say is that "Not only did Chambers make these Future Hall of Famers play like crap on the Fins....but, he wrecked their whole future too, because I don't see any of them leading their teams onto the field on Sundays.....

I can't believe someone wasted all that time on useless research....to make a claim like this is wrong in so many ways....how friggin' stupid must our coaches and personnel guys in the front office be if in fact what you are claiming is remotely true?:rolleyes:

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 06:50 PM
I can't believe someone wasted all that time on useless research....to make a claim like this is wrong in so many ways....how friggin' stupid must our coaches and personnel guys in the front office be if in fact what you are claiming is remotely true?:rolleyes:

I wouldn't think it requires much intelligence to pull off 4-12 and 6-10 seasons. The offense obviously needs to be rebuilt, if the last 10 years have proven anything it's that just plugging in QB's isn't going to fix the problem. Cameron and Mueller are already shopping Chambers so they are obviously aware of the situaion. There is no point arguing about it, it will work itself out in the end.

jdang307
02-28-2007, 07:00 PM
I know it's not April but is this an April Fools joke? I really can't believe you typed all this out and believe it to be valid. There are so many holes I don't even have to go past the first QB to point them out.

You compare Fiedler's 1600 attempts as a dolphin to 114 attempts as not a dolphin, and then include as his best year his 2005 season with 13 attempts? This has to be a joke.

According to your arguments a hypothetical QB would be worse off in Miami if during his career he played 10 years in a Phins uniform, and amassed roughly a 100 QBR, but in his rookie season he filled in a for a QB that got hurt on the 20 yard line, and this QB came in threw one pass and it was for a TD. Can you calculate the QBR for that? That's essentially what you are arguing. A bit more extreme, but similar.

Any reason why you replied to every post above and below mine yet didn't address mine? Is it the fact that I exposed your faulty reasoning on your very first example? Comparing 1600 attempts vs. 114 and even going to the extreme by illustrating a "best" season that had 13 attempts; and with that comparison coming to some sort of conclusion?

Please don't ignore this the second time around.

12MaN
02-28-2007, 07:02 PM
you dont know what your talking about then.......... is #1 WR the "top priority" ? Its clearly NOT. We have more than enough talent at WR to compete therefore it is not a problem IMO....... What thats says about my Football IQ to you, is dependant on your own Football IQ. So apparently you wouldn't understand then. So what's the problem in your eyes ? 2 former ProBowlers still playing at a high level..... a promising 3rd round pick who is the Pac10s all time leader.... a prototype slot WR who is elusive in the open field and returns kicks...... What more do you want ???? Who's your guy to replace Chambers right now ?? And you attack my knowledge for the game.Gimme a break....

I like the we have more than enough talent at WR quote. It again shows me the lack of football IQ you posses.

Did you forget about all the games we lost due to the lack of concentration by our WR's who get paid to catch balls and not drop them(those drops kill drives but someone with your football IQ would say it's the QB's fault when the truth of the matter is is that is all on the WR if the balls hit them in the hands and they drop them). Or how about Chambers not being able to create any seperation from DB's thus not giving the QB space to be able to put the ball where it needs to be Ect...

I can sit here all day and tell you why WR is one of the spots the Dolphins need to upgrade but i'm not to sure you maturity will allow you to accept some constructive critism of the team.

So therefore i will not waste my time trying to help you gain some more football IQ.

jdang307
02-28-2007, 07:03 PM
I wouldn't think it requires much intelligence to pull off 4-12 and 6-10 seasons. The offense obviously needs to be rebuilt, if the last 10 years have proven anything it's that just plugging in QB's isn't going to fix the problem. Cameron and Mueller are already shopping Chambers so they are obviously aware of the situaion. There is no point arguing about it, it will work itself out in the end.
I think you slightly underestimate the difficulties of the NFL. :lol: I think it is very hard to even win 4 games. It's easy for all of us to sit here and armchair-coach teams, but in real life I think most of us if not all of us would go 0-16 or damn near it in the league.

FinfanDuda
02-28-2007, 07:08 PM
Just for the record, I laughed my head off about the QB ratings. It was great to see all of that information put together, but in that situation numbers don't always tell the story. I agree that we need to have a good QB to be able to compete, and hope that that man will be DC this year. However, I would never even think of getting rid of Chambers. I would definately bring in as much talent at WR as we could afford, but getting rid of Chambers would be the last thing I would ever think of doing. We need to be patient with him, and give him sometime with the new offense, new coaches, and new QB. One season does not make a WR. I would talk to him about possibly taking a pay cut, but keep him on board.

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 07:16 PM
I like the we have more than enough talent at WR quote. It again shows me the lack of football IQ you posses.

Did you forget about all the games we lost due to the lack of concentration by our WR's who get paid to catch balls and not drop them(those drops kill drives but someone with your football IQ would say it's the QB's fault when the truth of the matter is is that is all on the WR if the balls hit them in the hands and they drop them). Or how about Chambers not being able to create any seperation from DB's thus not giving the QB space to be able to put the ball where it needs to be Ect...

I can sit here all day and tell you why WR is one of the spots the Dolphins need to upgrade but i'm not to sure you maturity will allow you to accept some constructive critism of the team.

So therefore i will not waste my time trying to help you gain some more football IQ.

Your personal attacks are irrellevant to this thread and totally uncalled for......... I have no interest in debating in such a childish way. Get a Clue son.... All i include is facts with a spice of opinion while you attack my maturity and Football IQ with unfounded, rash opinions.Who the hell are you ?? What does my IQ or maturity have to do with any of the facts i've stated... did you even read anything ? Do you know what constructive criticism is ?? I havent seen much vc. CC.... Like i've said..... it's Sad.

wazzy
02-28-2007, 07:16 PM
Ok for everyone who says Chambers is not a #1 reciever I want you to ask yourself one question is there 31 WR better then him! I say no so that means he is a number 1 reciever and we deserve to get a solid QB and a consistant O-line and the rest will take care of itself on offense!

HybridPHIN 23
02-28-2007, 07:20 PM
how about a legitimate #1 QB ???? Or offensive line....... priorities people.... i know the QB issue is getting old but it's a big problem that you apparently gave up on.......

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 07:31 PM
I think you slightly underestimate the difficulties of the NFL. :lol: I think it is very hard to even win 4 games. It's easy for all of us to sit here and armchair-coach teams, but in real life I think most of us if not all of us would go 0-16 or damn near it in the league.

Indeed, I doubt many of us get paid millions of dollars to do so though :lol: And in comparison to other coaches that do get paid the millions, our coaches have certainly been incompetent at best.

jdang307
02-28-2007, 07:34 PM
Indeed, I doubt many of us get paid millions of dollars to do so though :lol: And in comparison to other coaches that do get paid the millions, our coaches have certainly been incompetent at best.
Don't get me wrong. Everything I just said doesn't preclude me from calling Wanny/Spielman idiots! And Saban a quitter!!!!!!

RenoFinFan
02-28-2007, 08:11 PM
how about a legitimate #1 QB ???? Or offensive line....... priorities people.... i know the QB issue is getting old but it's a big problem that you apparently gave up on.......
I totally agree with getting a legit #1 QB and improving our OL, but that does not mean Chambers is not our "BIGGEST" problem on offense. Look at post #18 to see how "AWFUL" he is.

bgbdwolf31313
02-28-2007, 08:28 PM
Hmmmm, I am almost at a loss for words...
Lotta work went into putting those stats together. Bothe sets.
However, neither proves or disproves that Chambers is the biggest problem on offense. I have to admit, when I first looked at Reno's break down my draw dropped. But then I started thinking, does this really prove anything?
I submit not, for the main reason of Chambers being the deep threat. Plays take a little longer to develope, lineman have to sustain their blocks longer,
more pressure on the QB if protection breaks down, etc, etc. You see my point?
Its a team game everyone has to do their part or the machine breaks down.
That being said, I think we need a speedster, Chambers does have a little bit of a problem with getting seperation, plus he doesnt fight for the ball when its in the air. But thats just my opinion. Not a hater or a lover, just a phin fan who wants to see us win.

Aqua4Ever04
02-28-2007, 09:04 PM
Good post Reno, I have been saying this forever, Chambers is a QB Killer. When you've been through 5 or 6 different Qb's with the same set of recievers and every QB put up roughly the same pathetic numbers here and better numbers elsewhere it's obvious the recievers are the problem. I don't see why it's so hard for some folks to understand.


You're right, it is odd how we can't understand that Chambers is the reason Fiedler, Feely, Frerotte and Harrington were all so bad. What have those guys done outside of Miami? NOTHING! He's not killing the QBs, the QBs are killing our team.

Aqua4Ever04
02-28-2007, 09:09 PM
Damn, I just went back and read that. It's safe to say you owned about 6 or 7 people on that post. Oh funk it, you owned this WHOLE THREAD!

GridIronKing34 is the king of OWNAGE!:0wned:

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 09:41 PM
You're right, it is odd how we can't understand that Chambers is the reason Fiedler, Feely, Frerotte and Harrington were all so bad. What have those guys done outside of Miami? NOTHING! He's not killing the QBs, the QBs are killing our team.

See post #1 and Post #18. If you still can't understand it, then theres nothing I can say to help you :lol:

Aqua4Ever04
02-28-2007, 09:54 PM
See post #1 and Post #18. If you still can't understand it, then theres nothing I can say to help you :lol:

If that's the only evidence you can give me, then I'm afraid I can't help you either. Stop trying to prove our garbage QBs worth at the expense of Chambers, because it's not going to work. Trying to say that Chambers is the downfall of all those QBs is just ignorant.

CRAZYDOLFAN305
02-28-2007, 10:07 PM
Why would you restructure a bad player? That just ensures your stuck with them for even longer. I suspect Cameron will trade Chambers long before he restructures his contract.

A bad player ? Chambers a bad player! Now, if that's not pure hatred I don't know what is..:confused:

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 10:16 PM
This is not the pofo forum, not politiical comments needed!



If that's the only evidence you can give me, then I'm afraid I can't help you either. Stop trying to prove our garbage QBs worth at the expense of Chambers, because it's not going to work. Trying to say that Chambers is the downfall of all those QBs is just ignorant.

bgbdwolf31313
02-28-2007, 10:22 PM
So what your saying is, if we don't agree that it is all Chambers' fault, then we must be ignorant? Well gee whiz, what you must also be saying is if we get rid of Chambers we will win the SuperBowl.
Wonder why noone has thought of that before?

Fin Fan in Cali
02-28-2007, 10:30 PM
Please stay on topic. No more name calling, or political references. If there is points will be given. Thanks.:wink:

bluehaze
02-28-2007, 10:44 PM
Please stay on topic. No more name calling, or political references. If there is points will be given. Thanks.:wink:

Didn't know O.J. was political, my bad! :lol:

Fin Fan in Cali
02-28-2007, 10:46 PM
Didn't know O.J. was political, my bad! :lol:
This is Dolphin football talk, not talk about OJ's glove!:tantrum:

PhinsRock
02-28-2007, 11:20 PM
I want to nominate this thread for the "Most Entertaining" thread of the month. The premise is sad, the supportive data is ludicrous, the name calling is moronic, the personal attacks are rampant, heck this is one VERY entertaining thread! Stupid, and hateful, but damn entertaining! :lol:

Aqua4Ever04
02-28-2007, 11:28 PM
I want to nominate this thread for the "Most Entertaining" thread of the month. The premise is sad, the supportive data is ludicrous, the name calling is moronic, the personal attacks are rampant, heck this is one VERY entertaining thread! Stupid, and hateful, but damn entertaining! :lol:

May I nominate your opinion for post of the month? :lol:

GridIronKing34
03-01-2007, 12:04 AM
May I nominate your opinion for post of the month? :lol:

Indeed. I apologize for doing name calling myself. Aqua, I apologize for calling you a jerk in my joking manner... In reality, you my friend, are a genious, next to moi. :cooldude:

Aqua4Ever04
03-01-2007, 12:15 AM
Indeed. I apologize for doing name calling myself. Aqua, I apologize for calling you a jerk in my joking manner... In reality, you my friend, are a genious, next to moi. :cooldude:


No worries man, I knew you were just messing around because friends don't clown on friends right? :lol: Good stuff man.

Phanatical
03-01-2007, 07:49 AM
I would say QB and OL is a bigger priority that WR, but yeah, Chambers needs upgraded too.

Shamboubou
03-01-2007, 08:01 AM
The only thing I really took from that first post is that, Daunte had a 90 QB rating?? That is pretty amazing to me seeing how many times he had people in his grill. I'm still not really sure what people's deal is with Daunte. He had a 90 QB rating on a bum knee and a horrible O-Line.

Granted he hung onto the ball too long in some cases, but can you not consider that was just some rust from not playing in a year? Getting back into the speed of the game.

I haven't been a huge fan of Daunte, I was against us really getting him. I do think though he will be our starting QB next year and he will succeed. He has nothing to lose at this point.

Enforcerfin33
03-01-2007, 09:31 AM
Some of you guys worry way too much about Chambers, he's a decent Wr. I dont think he's the best no. 1 option. But hes got talent. With that being said remember who our new coach is, remember what he had in S.D. Keenan, who is well passed his prime and Erik Parker were the mainstays, on the O. On paper this was not a very talented mixture, but he made it work. Canning Chambers is not one of the highlights I want to see this year.

juniorseau55
04-21-2007, 02:28 AM
Some of you guys worry way too much about Chambers, he's a decent Wr. I dont think he's the best no. 1 option. But hes got talent. With that being said remember who our new coach is, remember what he had in S.D. Keenan, who is well passed his prime and Erik Parker were the mainstays, on the O. On paper this was not a very talented mixture, but he made it work. Canning Chambers is not one of the highlights I want to see this year.


I have a question, how sick are you to put that greasy wrestler in our fin uniform. That is very disgusting and in many ways disturbing.

akfinfan
04-21-2007, 03:05 AM
Warning…if you belong to the “Aint Chambers Fault” fan club NOW would be a good time to stop reading. For years the strategy for improving the passing game in the off season has remained the same. The assumption has been Miami is set at WR with Chambers and company while the problem has been at quarterback. While I am NOT arguing that we have had any elite quarterbacks since Marino retired our quarterbacks may not be as bad as Chamber fans claim. When I looked at the careers of the quarterbacks we have had in the past 5 years there is a disturbing trend…they mostly “SUCK” when they play for Miami. However, when they played elsewhere and had a decent #1 WR to throw to they were not all that bad. A look at the quarterbacks that played for Miami the past 5 years…

Jay Fiedler…
Career…
1008 comp 1717 attempts 11844 yards 69 TD 66 INT 77.1 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
936 comp 1603 attempts 11039 yards 66 TD 63 INT 76.78 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
72 comp 114 attempts 805 yards 3 TD 3 INT 81.84 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2005 NY Jets
8 comp 13 attempts 107 yards 1 TD 0 Int 113.3 QB rating

Ray Lucas…
Career…
280 comp 483 attempts 3029 yards 18 TD 17 INT 74.27 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
94 comp 163 attempts 1090 yards 4 TD 6 INT 70.84 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
186 comp 320 attempts 1939 yards 14 TD 11 INT 76.02 QB rating

Year Highest QB Rating…1999 NY Jets
161 comp 272 attempts 1678 yards 14 TD 6 Int 85.08 QB rating

Brian Griese…
Career…
1481 comp 2350 attempts 16564 yards 104 TD 80 Int 84.5 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
74 comp 130 attempts 813 yards 5 TD 6 Int 69.2 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
1407 comp 2220 attempts 15751 yards 99 TD 74 Int 85.44 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2000 Denver Broncos
216 comp 336 attempts 2688 yards 19 TD 4 Int 102.9 QB rating

AJ Feeley
Career…
313 comp 562 attempts 3389 yards 22 TD 21 INT 71.1 QB rating

As Miami Dolphin QB…
191 comp 356 attempts 1893 yards 11 TD 15 INT 61.7 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
122 comp 206 attempts 1496 yards 11 TD 6 INT 87.35 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2006 Philadelphia Eagles
26 comp 38 attempts 342 yards 3 TD 0 Int 122.9 QB rating

Sage Rosenfels…
Career…
81 comp 148 attempts 1041 yards 9 TD 7 Int 77.6 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
54 comp 109 attempts 776 yards 6 TD 6 Int 68.44 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
27 comp 39 attempts 265 yards 3 TD 1 Int 103 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2006 Houston Texans
27 comp 39 attempts 265 yards 3 TD 1 Int 103 QB rating

Gus Frerotte…
Career…
1427 comp 2638 attempts 18120 yards 95 TD 79 Int 75.3 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
257 comp 494 attempts 2996 yards 18 TD 13 Int 71.9 QB rating

Not Miami Dolphin QB…
1170 comp 2144 attempts 15124 yards 77 TD 66 Int 76.10 QB rating

Year Highest QB Rating…2003 Minnesota Vikings
38 comp 65 attempts 690 yards 7 TD 2 Int 118.1 QB rating

Daunte Culpepper…
Career…
1759 comp 2741 attempts 21091 yards 137 TD 89 Int 90.8 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
81 comp 134 attempts 929 yards 2 TD 3 Int 77 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
1678 comp 2607 attempts 20162 yards 135 TD 86 Int 91.46 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2004 Minnesota Vikings
379 comp 548 attempts 4717 yards 39 TD 11 Int 110.9 QB rating

Joey Harrington…
Career…
1209 comp 2190 attempts 12478 yards 72 TD 77 Int 68.1 QB rating

As Dolphin QB…
223 comp 388 attempts 2236 yards 12 TD 15 Int 68.2 QB rating

Not Dolphin QB…
986 comp 1802 attempts 10242 yards 60 TD 62 Int 68.12 QB rating

Year Highest QB rating…2004 Detroit Lions
274 comp 489 attempts 3047 yards 19 TD 12 Int 77.5 QB rating

So there is only “ONE” QB who has a higher passer rating as a Dolphin than when he played anywhere else and that was Harrington at 68.2 QB rating as a Dolphin vs. 68.1 QB rating for his career. However, Harrington probably had the worst OL and WR group in the NFL his first two years in Detroit. When Detroit drafted Roy Williams Harrington put up the following numbers the last two years there…

Joey Harrington…
Final two years with Detroit when had Roy Williams to throw to…
462 comp 819 attempts 5068 yards 31 TD 24 Int 75.28 QB rating

So this would be a more accurate comparison with Harrington of 68.2 QB rating as a Dolphin vs 75.28 not as Dolphin.

That would mean that every single QB we have had puts up the worst numbers of their career as a Miami Dolphin and not a single QB has had a career year with Miami. In fact, several of the QBs have had quite successful years playing elsewhere. So what is the common thread for all of the QBs…a WR group led by Chris Chambers. That is why I am under the belief that until we replace our current #1 WR with a legitimate #1 WR we will continue to have to go through a QB shuffle.

IMO improving the WR this offseason is as important as improving the QB position this offseason. I am hoping for a possible 1st and 2nd round draft that looks like Jarrett and Stanton or Quinn and Rice (if he drops this far). The time has come to replace our weakest position on our team.


This is the dumbest thread ever!! YOU HAVE NO POINT!!! All those QBs you listed are not starting QBs ANYWHERE except Culpepper and most of those QBs are even in the league anymore!! Make sense of what you post before trying to convince others of your lack of wisdom about former Miami QBs.....

Also.........Chambers was in the PRO BOWL just 2 years ago!!!!!! Everyone deserves an off year!!!

juniorseau55
04-21-2007, 11:11 AM
This is the dumbest thread ever!! YOU HAVE NO POINT!!! All those QBs you listed are not starting QBs ANYWHERE except Culpepper and most of those QBs are even in the league anymore!! Make sense of what you post before trying to convince others of your lack of wisdom about former Miami QBs.....

Also.........Chambers was in the PRO BOWL just 2 years ago!!!!!! Everyone deserves an off year!!!

Brian Griese Played well for the bucs for two seasons after her left miami.

retired opfinistic
04-21-2007, 11:15 AM
Some of you guys worry way too much about Chambers, he's a decent Wr. I dont think he's the best no. 1 option. But hes got talent. With that being said remember who our new coach is, remember what he had in S.D. Keenan, who is well passed his prime and Erik Parker were the mainstays, on the O. On paper this was not a very talented mixture, but he made it work. Canning Chambers is not one of the highlights I want to see this year.
Me either, we need an upgrade at WR for sure, at least until Chambers decides to catch the GD ball more often. He's 'decent' and may turn out to be a great #2. I'm done waiting for his 'breakout' season.:rolleyes2

retired opfinistic
04-21-2007, 11:17 AM
Everyone deserves an off year!!!

An off year is unacceptable. I can see an off game, maybe you're not up to par for whatever reason, but an off year? Explain that to your boss as you get your pink slip. I don't want CC burned at the stake, but he needs to **** or get off the pot.

Mike13
04-21-2007, 11:26 AM
So its all Chamber's fault that the offense has been ****y?

It has nothing to do with the lack of an OL and the lack of a QB?
This is by far the dumbest arguement one can make.

retired opfinistic
04-21-2007, 12:04 PM
So its all Chamber's fault that the offense has been ****y?

It has nothing to do with the lack of an OL and the lack of a QB?
This is by far the dumbest arguement one can make.

He and McMike were definitely part of the reason the offense was so....offensive, but the OL and poor QB play definitely helped the offense be consistently inconsistent.

juniorseau55
04-22-2007, 12:27 AM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-spmarvez22apr22,0,7672766.column


Chambers Benched from the first team for "LACK OF PERFORMANCE"



Wide receiver Chris Chambers was yanked from the first-team offense at one point during minicamp because Cameron was unhappy with his per-formance. That was an eye-opener for Chambers, who should be better utilized by Cameron. The Dolphins already are trying to find mismatches by calling plays with Chambers in the slot, which is something former offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey didn't do last season.

Mike13
04-22-2007, 11:02 AM
He and McMike were definitely part of the reason the offense was so....offensive, but the OL and poor QB play definitely helped the offense be consistently inconsistent.

I know they are big time under achievers you can't deny that, this is why Mc Mierda is gone.

His arguement is just incredibly flawed.

Enforcerfin33
04-22-2007, 03:39 PM
I have a question, how sick are you to put that greasy wrestler in our fin uniform. That is very disgusting and in many ways disturbing.
its called expressive freedom, if you dont like it fuk off!

Enforcerfin33
04-22-2007, 03:45 PM
I have a question, how sick are you to put that greasy wrestler in our fin uniform. That is very disgusting and in many ways disturbing.
And another thing who are you to decide whats disturbing or disgusting etc.? Dude I have never even seen you on this site before, and this is a really ****ty way to meet you......since you have questions heres one for you...how sick are you to randomnly attack a fellow fin fan for liking something you dont?

juniorseau55
04-22-2007, 04:41 PM
And another thing who are you to decide whats disturbing or disgusting etc.? Dude I have never even seen you on this site before, and this is a really ****ty way to meet you......since you have questions heres one for you...how sick are you to randomnly attack a fellow fin fan for liking something you dont?

Arn anderson is slow, you are truly obsessed with him. I been in this site for a while and I'm well known. You anal enforcer.

Enforcerfin33
04-22-2007, 11:45 PM
Arn anderson is slow, you are truly obsessed with him. I been in this site for a while and I'm well known. You anal enforcer.
of course he's slow a$$hole...he's like 55 years old! And I am not obsessed with any man.....sorry not my thing, and I wasn't implying that you hadn't been a member of this site for along time, I was implying that I had never seen you before and your first impression was rude and uncalled for. And the only thing anal about anything here,,,is again,,,you being an a$$hole. I am here to talk football.....stick to football. I really dont care about how you feel about wrestling, if you want to talk smack about the Bills or the Jets, I would be happy to discuss it with you, but if you want to talk down about something I like that you dont I will ignore you......and I'm guessing you'll pick the latter, seeing how I never provoked you to begin with.

Mike13
04-26-2007, 09:41 PM
Arn anderson is slow, you are truly obsessed with him. I been in this site for a while and I'm well known. You anal enforcer.

You didn't answer his question, so who the **** do you think you are?

Enforcerfin33
04-26-2007, 11:51 PM
You didn't answer his question, so who the **** do you think you are?
bro....its cool....we handled it....water under the bridge....