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elite14eva
03-05-2007, 04:18 PM
Patriots | Welker update
Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:29:38 -0800
Dan Pires, of The Standard-Times, reports the offer sheet the New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) signed restricted free agent WR Wes Welker (http://www.kffl.com/player/10224/nfl) (Dolphins) is a seven-year, $38 million offer, according to sources close to the situation. The Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) would have to give up a second-round draft pick to the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) should the Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) decline to match the offer

CCMiamiDolphins
03-05-2007, 04:29 PM
Bye Wes

dominizzo
03-05-2007, 05:06 PM
Bye Wesley Welker

tmny99
03-05-2007, 05:09 PM
The day you can get any draft compensation (let alone a 2nd round pick) for a guy that went undrafted is a good day. Welker will be missed because of his contribution and his heart.

Mindwarp
03-05-2007, 05:32 PM
love ya wes, make sure to drop a couple balls against the team that gave you th WR shot :)

Mike13
03-05-2007, 05:43 PM
Poor Wes, he's gonna get Jacked up worse than that NE TE by Jason Allen.

playmaker1
03-05-2007, 07:46 PM
Hate to see him. Go. Wish him all the best.

In_Flames
03-05-2007, 08:07 PM
Patriots | Welker costs two draft choices
Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:55:06 -0800
Updating previous reports, Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, citing SI.com, reports the New England Patriots sent a second- and seventh-round draft pick to the Miami Dolphins in return for WR/KR Wes Welker

MR NFLFAN
03-05-2007, 10:59 PM
Patriots | Welker update
Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:29:38 -0800
Dan Pires, of The Standard-Times, reports the offer sheet the New England Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) signed restricted free agent WR Wes Welker (http://www.kffl.com/player/10224/nfl) (Dolphins) is a seven-year, $38 million offer, according to sources close to the situation. The Patriots (http://www.kffl.com/team/24/nfl) would have to give up a second-round draft pick to the Miami Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) should the Dolphins (http://www.kffl.com/team/22/nfl) decline to match the offer



That was a Bogus report by Pires


The Patriots (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots.bg) [team stats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=nfl/teams/077/team.aspx?id=077)] today swung a trade with Miami for restricted free agent wide receiver Wes Welker, sending Miami second- and seventh-round draft choices instead of going through a potentially contentious offer sheet process with the Dolphins.
Sources indicated that Welker and the Pats have come to terms on a new multi-year deal, one that is surely more Patriots-friendly than the reported five-year, $38.5 million offer sheet the Pats were preparing.
Welker is a lightning-quick, undersized (5-foot-9, 185 pounds) slot receiver who caught 67 passes last season while also leading the Dolphins in punt and kickoff returns. He’s essentially a very good role player, which is also what the Pats hope they’re getting with their other two offensive free agent signings - tight end Kyle Brady, who will play in a rotation with Ben Watson (http://www.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Ben+Watson&mode=score&sorting=pubdate) [stats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=nfl/teams/077/playeraaa.aspx?id=4346,team=077)] and David Thomas, and running back Sammy Morris, who will back up Laurence Maroney (http://www.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Laurence+Maroney&mode=score&sorting=pubdate) [stats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=nfl/teams/077/playeraaa.aspx?id=5869,team=077)].
Welker toured the Patriots’ facilities today and met with coach Bill Belichick (http://www.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Bill+Belichick&mode=score&sorting=pubdate), quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.bostonherald.com/search/?searchSite=true&keyword=Tom+Brady&mode=score&sorting=pubdate) [stats (http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=bostonherald&page=nfl/teams/077/playeraaa.aspx?id=678,team=077)] and others.
“He’s thrilled,” agent Van McElroy said. “It’s twofold. One, he gets to play with Tom Brady. Second, it’s all about this organization and this staff. Belichick is a grinder, and so is Wes.”
Sources said the Pats and Dolphins, in trying to maintain “relationships” and “continue to show respect for each other,” decided to work out a trade rather than go back and forth with offer sheets and poison pills. When the process gets to that point, hard feelings can emerge.


http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=186576

nyjunc
03-06-2007, 08:22 AM
The pats have gone absolutely mad in the last week, I love it. A 2nd and 7th rd pick for Wes Welker? Are you kidding me?:lol:

patriotspride
03-06-2007, 11:41 AM
The pats have gone absolutely mad in the last week, I love it. A 2nd and 7th rd pick for Wes Welker? Are you kidding me?:lol:are they or are they not better for it?you know they are better with welker thomas morris .lolololol now who is laughing ?not you lol

PatriotReign
03-06-2007, 12:19 PM
The pats have gone absolutely mad in the last week, I love it. A 2nd and 7th rd pick for Wes Welker? Are you kidding me?:lol:


I hope they manage to survive with their TWO 1st rounders and Thomas...:evil:

The Pats had both the $$$ and the picks to grab a known playmaker, an excellent move by the Lombardi Legends Pioli and Belichick!!! :cooldude:

Mike13
03-06-2007, 01:59 PM
Welker is not worth such an insane amount of cash.

Yes he is a good no.3 WR. and he's a good ST. He's very talented.
But to give him that amount of $$$ and to give up two draft picks is insane.

nyjunc
03-07-2007, 07:55 AM
I hope they manage to survive with their TWO 1st rounders and Thomas...:evil:

The Pats had both the $$$ and the picks to grab a known playmaker, an excellent move by the Lombardi Legends Pioli and Belichick!!! :cooldude:

So what? they have had plenty of cap room in the past as well and now they are spending huge $ ont he flavor of the month on D and at best a 3rd WR and below average return man. The pats have NOT had a good offeason so far. The 2 moves I like are typical Pats moves- getting Brady and Morris but the big $ moves were not good moves.

satz
03-07-2007, 09:40 AM
Wes was “a pain in the butt” to deal with when he was with the Dolphins. “We had to double-team him because no one could stick with him man-to-man,” Rodney Harrison


The contract is 10 million gaureented and its more like 18 million for 6 yrs.
so its more like wes for 1.5 million /yr

SpurzN703
03-07-2007, 10:39 AM
Face it, New England overpaid to get Wes on their squad, but you just KNOW he'll come back to haunt us somehow someway. That's just the way it is

trate121hb
03-07-2007, 10:42 AM
Face it, New England overpaid to get Wes on their squad, but you just KNOW he'll come back to haunt us somehow someway. That's just the way it is

i think the guy will be very good in new england....a 70 catch 900 yd 3-4 td guy.....but he aint worth what they gave...but new england can do that cause they are closer than we are....its a win win for both clubs

zach13
03-07-2007, 12:30 PM
New England definitely overpaid.

It seems to me that Belichick is trying to load up to win this year, which is the last year of his contract, and therefore does not mind overpaying for players.

satz
03-07-2007, 01:32 PM
New England definitely overpaid.

It seems to me that Belichick is trying to load up to win this year, which is the last year of his contract, and therefore does not mind overpaying for players.

Actually last year is the final year of his contract.he just brought a house here for 4.5 million after the end of the season and signed a new contract no details but i figure as he just brought a house i am hoping he will stay here.

Do you think 6 yr / 10 million gaureented/18 million contract avg 1.5 million/year is too much ? with veteran minimum is 900k.

zach13
03-07-2007, 02:24 PM
Actually last year is the final year of his contract.he just brought a house here for 4.5 million after the end of the season and signed a new contract no details but i figure as he just brought a house i am hoping he will stay here.

Do you think 6 yr / 10 million gaureented/18 million contract avg 1.5 million/year is too much ? with veteran minimum is 900k.


No, but a 2 and a 7 is way too much. Thomas Jones just went for a lot less. If Bill were concerned about the long term future of the Pats he would have used those picks to stockpile cheap talent.

Instead he is going the FA route which indicates a short term focus.

satz
03-07-2007, 02:35 PM
No, but a 2 and a 7 is way too much. Thomas Jones just went for a lot less. If Bill were concerned about the long term future of the Pats he would have used those picks to stockpile cheap talent.

Instead he is going the FA route which indicates a short term focus.

I understand what you are saying but pats have 10 picks this year.... and also historically WR development is slow.Even they pick a 1st rounder their no contribution for year 1. Also CJ the 2nd round pick last year has a torn ACL.Also, troy brown the slot receiver is 35.he is 25 yr old who is a younger version of troy brown slot receiver who can be used from today.The last 7th rounder to make the team was givens.

Also, you miss the fact that kraft stepped in and refused the pioson pill deal and threw the 7th for a trade for good relationship with dolphins.

I will wait till end of season and see if he was worth it or not.

zach13
03-07-2007, 03:19 PM
I understand what you are saying but pats have 10 picks this year.... and also historically WR development is slow.Even they pick a 1st rounder their no contribution for year 1. Also CJ the 2nd round pick last year has a torn ACL.Also, troy brown the slot receiver is 35.he is 25 yr old who is a younger version of troy brown slot receiver who can be used from today.The last 7th rounder to make the team was givens.

Also, you miss the fact that kraft stepped in and refused the pioson pill deal and threw the 7th for a trade for good relationship with dolphins.

I will wait till end of season and see if he was worth it or not.


It will be impossible to judge as you could not know who the Patriots would have picked with that 2nd round selection.

Last year they got Chad Jackson with a #2, in 2002 they got Deion Branch with a #2 and David Givens with a #7

satz
03-07-2007, 03:55 PM
It will be impossible to judge as you could not know who the Patriots would have picked with that 2nd round selection.

Last year they got Chad Jackson with a #2, in 2002 they got Deion Branch with a #2 and David Givens with a #7

thanks for seeing my point .With wes i atleast know what one is getting and not like chad jackson who was hyped and did not deliver.When in throw in that a 2nd rounder is signed for 4 yrs and takes times to deliver when you got a decent WR/KR/PR for this for 6 years.

nyjunc
03-08-2007, 09:47 AM
Wes was “a pain in the butt” to deal with when he was with the Dolphins. “We had to double-team him because no one could stick with him man-to-man,” Rodney Harrison


The contract is 10 million gaureented and its more like 18 million for 6 yrs.
so its more like wes for 1.5 million /yr

They must have been triple teaming him in Miami where he had 1 rec for -1 yards. In 4 career games he has had ONE good game against NE.

patriotspride
03-08-2007, 05:19 PM
They must have been triple teaming him in Miami where he had 1 rec for -1 yards. In 4 career games he has had ONE good game against NE.you have a severe case of denial .you just cant handle the thought of the patriots getting better .its your worst nightmare and its coming true .nobody with any credibility can deny the patriots are a better team than they were at the end of last season.

MR NFLFAN
03-09-2007, 01:13 AM
They must have been triple teaming him in Miami where he had 1 rec for -1 yards. In 4 career games he has had ONE good game against NE.

Well then he did better than the entire jets team has done since 2002.

NYJUNC that nick must be a tribute to your team.
P.S. junk is spelled with K

dominizzo
03-09-2007, 01:24 AM
Yo MR.NFL fan!! You Big shot cuz Ur HAted team won 3 Bowls!! You wont see anymore Thas Fo Shizzo!!

nyjunc
03-09-2007, 08:31 AM
you have a severe case of denial .you just cant handle the thought of the patriots getting better .its your worst nightmare and its coming true .nobody with any credibility can deny the patriots are a better team that they were at the end of last season.

How have the Pats won this decade? By overspending on FAs or signing mid-level FAs drafting well? They have a proven formula, they are straying from that. I have praised NE for years for doing it the right way but they aren't doing it that way now. I am HAPPY you have made these moves.

I bet you are one of the people who loved all the Pats moves in the past and made fun of other team's fans who overpaid for players but now since NE is doing it it's ok. You made good signings w/ Brady and Morris, Thomas is vastly overpaid off of 2 good years- he's NOT a great player and giving Welker $10 mil guaranteed AND giving up 2 picks is asinine. Welker is a #3 WR and a below average return man. You can get guys like that anywhere.


Well then he did better than the entire jets team has done since 2002.

NYJUNC that nick must be a tribute to your team.
P.S. junk is spelled with K

Since you are a big Pats fan you'd know since '02 we did keep you out of the playoffs in '02 by beating you at NE on a Sunday Night in Week 16 and we did beat you at your place last year.

satz
03-09-2007, 09:13 AM
How have the Pats won this decade? By overspending on FAs or signing mid-level FAs drafting well? They have a proven formula, they are straying from that. I have praised NE for years for doing it the right way but they aren't doing it that way now. I am HAPPY you have made these moves.

I bet you are one of the people who loved all the Pats moves in the past and made fun of other team's fans who overpaid for players but now since NE is doing it it's ok. You made good signings w/ Brady and Morris, Thomas is vastly overpaid off of 2 good years- he's NOT a great player and giving Welker $10 mil guaranteed AND giving up 2 picks is asinine. Welker is a #3 WR and a below average return man. You can get guys like that anywhere.



Since you are a big Pats fan you'd know since '02 we did keep you out of the playoffs in '02 by beating you at NE on a Sunday Night in Week 16 and we did beat you at your place last year.

What a dumb statement ....
1) Number of FA signed was in 2000 - 22 - 17 were starters who played .According to your logic this did not happen.
2)Biggest contract signed in 2003 for a LB was Colvins. His contract when taken % of the cap is still bigger than that of thomas. Again this did not happen and also according to you the 2003 and 2004 season they sucked due so siging a big contract when they won a back to back SB.
3)When you have 109 million for 53 players the walker deal of 1.5 million per year is lower than the team player avg and is 500,000$ more than the veteran minimum... yeah that is definitely bad.
4)Living in the past. You completely forgot to mention that the cap room increased by 6% in those years and we had a temp raiseof 27% this year and from next year it goes back to the 6% avg growth .so in this year every team will have a lot of cap room to offer bigger signing bonus and smaller salary deals like thomas.
5)Also forgot to mention the patriots have 10 draft picks even after the damn trade and they are going trade some way anyway as they do not have alot of open slot in the 53.

nyjunc
03-09-2007, 09:46 AM
What a dumb statement ....
1) Number of FA signed was in 2000 - 22 - 17 were starters who played .According to your logic this did not happen.


Where did i say anything about signing FAs? I am talking abou signing high priced FAs. NE has done a masterful job at signing mid-level FAs and managed the cap very well.


2)Biggest contract signed in 2003 for a LB was Colvins. His contract when taken % of the cap is still bigger than that of thomas. Again this did not happen and also according to you the 2003 and 2004 season they sucked due so siging a big contract when they won a back to back SB.


Colvin got $6 mil guaranteed, Takeo Spikes got $9 mil- 9 is highere than 6, right?

Don't use Peter king as your source for anything, that was a PK column on % of cap- any way you slice the $6 mil for a 25 yeard old player was nothing close to $20 mil for a 30 year old player. $6 mil was not a huge contarct even 4 years ago, yes they won but the first one they won WITHOUT Colvin as he was hurt.



3)When you have 109 million for 53 players the walker deal of 1.5 million per year is lower than the team player avg and is 500,000$ more than the veteran minimum... yeah that is definitely bad.


The contract itself is irrlevant, the important #s are the guaranteed money and he got a ridiclous $10 mil guaranteed.


4)Living in the past. You completely forgot to mention that the cap room increased by 6% in those years and we had a temp raiseof 27% this year and from next year it goes back to the 6% avg growth .so in this year every team will have a lot of cap room to offer bigger signing bonus and smaller salary deals like thomas.


Again the Pats have ALWAYS had cap room but they chosen to sign big $ FAs or extend their own players. Just b/c you have cap room doesn't mean you have to spend it, teams like NE have been the model b/c they haven't overspent.


5)Also forgot to mention the patriots have 10 draft picks even after the damn trade and they are going trade some way anyway as they do not have alot of open slot in the 53.

According to NFL.com NE had 8 BEFORE the welker deal so that means they have 6 left and you don't throw away 2nd rd picks on players like we welker who can be found anywhere.

satz
03-09-2007, 11:20 AM
1) Nope patriots have won by singing FA that fit their system and not based on their salary.Then they could have gone cheaper. They value FA on performace not their salary.
2)You are confusing salary cap number and money spend my friend.signing bonus is prorated over the entire contract.His cap number hit was 5.2% of the buffalo cap compared to colvin`s 5.7% of cap.
3)The patriots cap room - please explain the big cap room they carried? 76 cents last year.
$397,907 OVER the cap -2001
$2.69 million Under the cap - 2002
$359,412 OVER the cap 2003
$2,632,529 UNDER the cap -2004
$38,500 under the cap -2005
under the cap by just 76 cents - 2006
4)You are forgetting the comp picks for adam,givens,willie mac and they got 1 more for gorin trade from arizona.Not including the
2 - 1st pick
1 - Round 3
1 - Round 4
1 - Round 5
1 - Rd 6
-- without walker 2nd and 7th
6 picks + 1 Goin trade in rd 6 + 3 comp picks = 10 picks.

nyjunc
03-09-2007, 11:26 AM
They ahve signed lower priced FAs for the most part, the only one they signed to any type of high bonus was a YOUNG Colvin and his bonus was not outrageous like Thomas'.

Provide the links for those cap #s, all we have heard about in the past is how well the pats managed their cap and to have only hunndreds of thousands in room is not managint he cap well. Please provde documentation.

Colvin got $6 mil in guaranteed money, Spikes got $9 mil in guaranteed money. 5.2% is lower than 5.7% though, right?

satz
03-09-2007, 11:35 AM
www.patscap.com (http://www.patscap.com)

also cap management is misunderstood by most.they think it carries over but truth it does not.Also having more cap room is also wrong.what cap management is put a good team and spending up to the cap and reducing residual effect.

49s have 50 million cap room and did not make it to the playoff - bad cap managment.colts - upto the cap - win the SB - good cap managment.

Also,spending real money in such way to have less cap hit is also cap managment. takeo spikes had a better deal from a cap point of view but thomas has a low cap hit so its better.A gain real money management to maximize cap room is critical.

patriots started 2006 with 22 million cap room and ended with 76 cents
in 2007 same they are starting with 30 million and i hope they finish with less than 2-3million.[again cap managment].But next year the cap number hit of seymour ,brady and koppen go down drastically and release more cap room to sign more fA.

nyjunc
03-10-2007, 08:29 AM
www.patscap.com (http://www.patscap.com)

also cap management is misunderstood by most.they think it carries over but truth it does not.Also having more cap room is also wrong.what cap management is put a good team and spending up to the cap and reducing residual effect.

49s have 50 million cap room and did not make it to the playoff - bad cap managment.colts - upto the cap - win the SB - good cap managment.

Also,spending real money in such way to have less cap hit is also cap managment. takeo spikes had a better deal from a cap point of view but thomas has a low cap hit so its better.A gain real money management to maximize cap room is critical.

patriots started 2006 with 22 million cap room and ended with 76 cents
in 2007 same they are starting with 30 million and i hope they finish with less than 2-3million.[again cap managment].But next year the cap number hit of seymour ,brady and koppen go down drastically and release more cap room to sign more fA.

Thank you, I stand corrected on the cap room BUT that just tells me NE isn't as smart as I thought they were(in regards to signing hig priced FAs) and it still doesn't change the way they built and maintained a Championship team. I still feel good about NE going the redskin route this offseason. We'll see what happens, obviously they'll be really good as long as #12 is there but I am happy they are spending like crazy. I know the other way works and so far teams that overspend have shown it hasn't worked so hopefully that trend continues.

patriotspride
03-10-2007, 10:20 AM
Thank you, I stand corrected on the cap room BUT that just tells me NE isn't as smart as I thought they were(in regards to signing hig priced FAs) and it still doesn't change the way they built and maintained a Championship team. I still feel good about NE going the redskin route this offseason. We'll see what happens, obviously they'll be really good as long as #12 is there but I am happy they are spending like crazy. I know the other way works and so far teams that overspend have shown it hasn't worked so hopefully that trend continues.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:sounds like spin to me

nyjunc
03-10-2007, 10:35 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:sounds like spin to me

Spin is what the pats fasn are doing, the last 6 years or so they have crowed about how they don't overpay for FAs and how they spend wisely and that's why they have eben succesful but now that they go the snyder route that's the correct way- which is it? or is it just that every move the pats make is great regardless of what they do?

Tailgater
03-10-2007, 10:50 AM
They must have been triple teaming him in Miami where he had 1 rec for -1 yards. In 4 career games he has had ONE good game against NE.

Nope. They only double-teamed him.

"After making nine catches in a game against the Patriots in October, Welker said he was double-teamed on almost every snap when the teams met again in December. It was the first time he had been double-teamed that much over his three-year career, and was also a reflection of the Patriots' respect for him."

If he can cause other teams to commit double coverage to stop him, he's well worth it.

I don't like giving up picks, but Welker will produce iimmediately, while it's rare a 2nd rd pick, never mind a late 2nd rd pick, does much of anything outside of special team duties.

THe Pats will pick up an additional 2-3 comp picks, maybe as high as the 4th rd. I still hate giving up picks as a rule, but my guess is Welker will perform closer to what Dillon gave them for a 2nd, rather than what they got using a 2nd for Duane Starks...yeech!

Tailgater
03-10-2007, 11:06 AM
Spin is what the pats fasn are doing, the last 6 years or so they have crowed about how they don't overpay for FAs and how they spend wisely and that's why they have eben succesful but now that they go the snyder route that's the correct way- which is it? or is it just that every move the pats make is great regardless of what they do?

In what way are the Pats acting 'snyderish'? By giving upfront money to a FA?

Pat fans may have spouted past activity as gospel. Thats what the Pats have done, and it's been successful. In 2005 & 2006 they used the same philosophy. They didn't get to the SB. Is that why they've 'changed' their philosophy? Maybe. The near future will show the Pats did not overpay for any of their pickups, at least in terms of cash or cap hits. (Is it true the Jets gave a JAG backup DE 6M guaranteed? Makes the Welker deal look reasonable to me:D).

Perhaps it's a matter of who was available when and at what position.

Their need at LB has been gaining critical mass since 2003. AT is the perfect fit at this time for the gap in the defense, better than any other possible choice over the past 3 years, by FAR. The money is a drop in their cap bucket, now and in the future.

They tried the draft for wr last year. They may again this year. To ensure they could get a guy who will no doubt have success with Brady and in this offense, they gave up picks to do so. No worries about if the rookie will adjust to the NFL, hit the rookie wall, etc.

They still have about 13M under the cap. Hope to see them get Samuel extended, but i doubt thats in their plans or Samuels. Most I hope for is he signs the tag and plays out the year, or signs and gets traded for a pick or 2. Maybe thats where they plan on recouping the 2nd used on Welker?

satz
03-10-2007, 12:02 PM
Again , as i said a few post back ...the cap number jumped 27% due the change in CBA and goes back to the 6% avg grown from next year.As these cap money cannot be carried over a organisation should use this influx of money to sign a signing bonus front laden contracts.

If you have extra money for a year which cannot be carried over would prefer to spend it or loss it for nothing ?

Mike13
03-10-2007, 12:08 PM
I don't see why they paid so much to Sammy Morris.

nyjunc
03-10-2007, 02:38 PM
Nope. They only double-teamed him.

"After making nine catches in a game against the Patriots in October, Welker said he was double-teamed on almost every snap when the teams met again in December. It was the first time he had been double-teamed that much over his three-year career, and was also a reflection of the Patriots' respect for him."

If he can cause other teams to commit double coverage to stop him, he's well worth it.

I don't like giving up picks, but Welker will produce iimmediately, while it's rare a 2nd rd pick, never mind a late 2nd rd pick, does much of anything outside of special team duties.

THe Pats will pick up an additional 2-3 comp picks, maybe as high as the 4th rd. I still hate giving up picks as a rule, but my guess is Welker will perform closer to what Dillon gave them for a 2nd, rather than what they got using a 2nd for Duane Starks...yeech!

1 rec, -1 yards and I highl doubt NE was double teaming him all game despite what HE said.


In what way are the Pats acting 'snyderish'? By giving upfront money to a FA?


Overpaying for a good not great Lb and severely overpaying for a #3 WR- that's classic snyder.


(Is it true the Jets gave a JAG backup DE 6M guaranteed? Makes the Welker deal look reasonable to me).

yep, we overpaid a little for Coleman but I'd rather overpay at $6 mil than $22 for Thomas and $10 for Welker.


They still have about 13M under the cap. Hope to see them get Samuel extended

Don't hold your breath, after they wouldn't sing a top corner who has been apart of their Championship past you think he'll settle for anything less than what Clements and Thomas got?

Tailgater
03-10-2007, 10:05 PM
Right. He lied about being doubled. That explains it! BB is just an idiot, as you suspected all along, thwoing away millions on jag.

Psst. closer....The Pats are paying for PRODUCTION, known entities. Maybe even paying...shudder...too much. Again, from the little I've seen so far, that isn't true either. Deon Grant gets 30m, 13M up front?!? JAG guards getting 49M, w/ 10+M upfront? AT is a deal.

What is your projection for Welker with the Pats this year? What number could begin to justify the huge 3M cap hit, right? Not 50 rec? 60? 70?

I'll go out on a limb on Coleman and say he may get 4 sacks, playing about 25%-30% of the defensive snaps. Limited player that will take awhile to get used to the Jets scheme. May have more value in yr 2, may not. At best, becomes another Greg Spires.

CCMiamiDolphins
03-10-2007, 10:53 PM
Any pics of Welker with a Patriots jersey?

nyjunc
03-11-2007, 08:52 AM
Right. He lied about being doubled. That explains it! BB is just an idiot, as you suspected all along, thwoing away millions on jag.

Psst. closer....The Pats are paying for PRODUCTION, known entities. Maybe even paying...shudder...too much. Again, from the little I've seen so far, that isn't true either. Deon Grant gets 30m, 13M up front?!? JAG guards getting 49M, w/ 10+M upfront? AT is a deal.

What is your projection for Welker with the Pats this year? What number could begin to justify the huge 3M cap hit, right? Not 50 rec? 60? 70?

I'll go out on a limb on Coleman and say he may get 4 sacks, playing about 25%-30% of the defensive snaps. Limited player that will take awhile to get used to the Jets scheme. May have more value in yr 2, may not. At best, becomes another Greg Spires.


The pats are paying for production? themn explain giving up a 2nd and 7th rd pick plus $10 mil guaranteed for Wes Welker? What has he done in this league to warrant that compensation?

Why would NE doub;e Welker when he's Miami's 3rd best WR? he had 1 decent game against them and all of a sudden they are gameplanning for him? Come on. I am sure NE was concerned w/ jerricho Cotchery after he had a bg agme against them in Week 2 then he went out and had a very good game at NE then in the playoffs had a 100 yd receiving game. I am 100% sure Ne was more worried about Jerricho Cotchery and yet he kept producing against NE while Wes after 1 good game in his first 3 was held to 1 rec for -1 yds in his next game against NE.

Questfor31
03-11-2007, 09:59 PM
I can't imagine you guys are all that choked up about losing Wes Welker to NE for a ridiculously lucrative contract. Why NE is willing to pay big dollars for an average wide receiver is beyond me.

Mcduffinator
03-12-2007, 02:18 AM
To all the pats fans. I bought a welker jersey and its on sale for a whopping 20 bucks! Any takers?

MR NFLFAN
03-12-2007, 10:13 AM
The pats are paying for production? themn explain giving up a 2nd and 7th rd pick plus $10 mil guaranteed for Wes Welker? What has he done in this league to warrant that compensation?

Why would NE doub;e Welker when he's Miami's 3rd best WR? he had 1 decent game against them and all of a sudden they are gameplanning for him? Come on. I am sure NE was concerned w/ jerricho Cotchery after he had a bg agme against them in Week 2 then he went out and had a very good game at NE then in the playoffs had a 100 yd receiving game. I am 100% sure Ne was more worried about Jerricho Cotchery and yet he kept producing against NE while Wes after 1 good game in his first 3 was held to 1 rec for -1 yds in his next game against NE.


Funny we could have asked the same What had Eric Mangina done to warrent his compensation? I believe the jets would sign the guy that cleans the ***t houses at Gilette stadium. For a fan of a team thats been looking to aquire anything Bill Belichick you ask some very stupid questions. The reason NE didn't double cotchery is because they knew with old noodle arm throwing what ever cotchery got would be short yardage seeing chad can't throw anything deeper than 20 yrds.

MR NFLFAN
03-12-2007, 10:15 AM
To all the pats fans. I bought a welker jersey and its on sale for a whopping 20 bucks! Any takers?

$20 is too much money for a rag to wash my truck with. :D

nyjunc
03-12-2007, 10:28 AM
Funny we could have asked the same What had Eric Mangina done to warrent his compensation? I believe the jets would sign the guy that cleans the ***t houses at Gilette stadium. For a fan of a team thats been looking to aquire anything Bill Belichick you ask some very stupid questions. The reason NE didn't double cotchery is because they knew with old noodle arm throwing what ever cotchery got would be short yardage seeing chad can't throw anything deeper than 20 yrds.

Mangini had only risen from ballboy to DC by the time he was about 32 years old but what had he done to eanr any praise?

Old noodle arm managed to beat keep you guys out of the playoffs in '02 and beat you last year at your house so maybe you should respect him a little more? he is 2-4 in the reg season against NE which isn't bad.

Mr772
03-12-2007, 10:46 AM
Nope. They only double-teamed him.

"After making nine catches in a game against the Patriots in October, Welker said he was double-teamed on almost every snap when the teams met again in December. It was the first time he had been double-teamed that much over his three-year career, and was also a reflection of the Patriots' respect for him."

If he can cause other teams to commit double coverage to stop him, he's well worth it.

I don't like giving up picks, but Welker will produce iimmediately, while it's rare a 2nd rd pick, never mind a late 2nd rd pick, does much of anything outside of special team duties.

THe Pats will pick up an additional 2-3 comp picks, maybe as high as the 4th rd. I still hate giving up picks as a rule, but my guess is Welker will perform closer to what Dillon gave them for a 2nd, rather than what they got using a 2nd for Duane Starks...yeech!

Your kidding right? You don't think a 2nd round pick can contribute?

patriotspride
03-12-2007, 11:17 AM
Mangini had only risen from ballboy to DC by the time he was about 32 years old but what had he done to eanr any praise?

Old noodle arm managed to beat keep you guys out of the playoffs in '02 and beat you last year at your house so maybe you should respect him a little more? he is 2-4 in the reg season against NE which isn't bad.its really pathetic and sad that you have to go back to 2002 :sidelol: :sidelol: how many surgeries has old noodle are had since 02?

nyjunc
03-12-2007, 11:20 AM
its really pathetic and sad that you have to go back to 2002 :sidelol: :sidelol: how many surgeries has old noodle are had since 02?

2002 is probably just a year after you became a Pats fan.


Chad has had some injury problems but when he's healthy we have been a playoff team. He's a top QB when healthy.

MR NFLFAN
03-12-2007, 11:48 AM
Mangini had only risen from ballboy to DC by the time he was about 32 years old but what had he done to eanr any praise?

He had 1 season as DC and according to the defensive players they couldn't tell the difference from when he was the DB coach. The 1 season he was DC was one of the least productive "D" we fielded.






Old noodle arm managed to beat keep you guys out of the playoffs in '02 and beat you last year at your house so maybe you should respect him a little more? he is 2-4 in the reg season against NE which isn't bad.

Since 02 Noodle arms, arm had to be reconstructed twice and it wasn't great to begin with, It's even worse now. You're on here regularly slamming anything and everything the Pats do yet your owner would lick Belichicks shorts to get more from the pats.
You know it, I know it and so does the rest of the league. If all his moves are so bad as you say then why would the jets want anything to do with him or his players? Mangina the great learned everything he knows from Belichick and the remainder of it he stole on his way out the door. F'n jets fans all talk out their "A" holes.

nyjunc
03-12-2007, 12:01 PM
He had 1 season as DC and according to the defensive players they couldn't tell the difference from when he was the DB coach. The 1 season he was DC was one of the least productive "D" we fielded.


of course it had little to do w/ the players you lost and the injuries you had- it was all mangini's fualt. was it EM's fault you gave up 35 int he 2nd half against Indy? The players were very high on EM if I recall and the biggest reason BB hates him and is a jerk to him is b/c he knew what he could do w/ the team he hates the most- which would be the Jets, the team that gave him a 2nd chance aftre he was a complete failure in Cle and the team that gave him $1mil to stay as DC in '99 even though no team was looking to interview him.


mangini did learn everything from BB which is why we are doing things in ways the old Pats did them not the current Snyder like Pats.

MR NFLFAN
03-12-2007, 02:47 PM
of course it had little to do w/ the players you lost and the injuries you had- it was all mangini's fualt. was it EM's fault you gave up 35 int he 2nd half against Indy? The players were very high on EM if I recall and the biggest reason BB hates him and is a jerk to him is b/c he knew what he could do w/ the team he hates the most- which would be the Jets, the team that gave him a 2nd chance aftre he was a complete failure in Cle and the team that gave him $1mil to stay as DC in '99 even though no team was looking to interview him.


mangini did learn everything from BB which is why we are doing things in ways the old Pats did them not the current Snyder like Pats.

No Belichick doesn't like him because Mangina the great stole scouting reports from the Patriots before running out the back door. Think about it if you were a HC and mentored one of your coaches and in return he stole from you. Talk about the snyder like Patriots how many players did Mangina bring along with him to NJ and we won't even mention his tampering with Branch whom Mangina was willing to give the house to get. Sounds to me like the pots calling the kettle black. Hell your team was after anything Pats back in 96 tampering with Parcells who in turn raided the pats team for players back then. Tell me more about the snyder like pats. How soon we forget.

patriotspride
03-12-2007, 04:34 PM
2002 is probably just a year after you became a Pats fan.


Chad has had some injury problems but when he's healthy we have been a playoff team. He's a top QB when healthy.ive been a pats fan for many many years but i dont see what that has to do with noodle arm :sidelol: your in full spin and desperation mode :sidelol: :sidelol:

nyjunc
03-12-2007, 05:15 PM
No Belichick doesn't like him because Mangina the great stole scouting reports from the Patriots before running out the back door. Think about it if you were a HC and mentored one of your coaches and in return he stole from you. Talk about the snyder like Patriots how many players did Mangina bring along with him to NJ and we won't even mention his tampering with Branch whom Mangina was willing to give the house to get. Sounds to me like the pots calling the kettle black. Hell your team was after anything Pats back in 96 tampering with Parcells who in turn raided the pats team for players back then. Tell me more about the snyder like pats. How soon we forget.

Being such a big pats fan you'd remember how many ex-Jets BB took w/ him to NE that playd a key role in your 1st SB. When assistants leave they look for former players to help them.

patriotspride
03-12-2007, 07:18 PM
the patriots are better after there fa signings and you know it .it just hurts to much for you to admit it .:boohoo:

nyjunc
03-13-2007, 07:20 AM
the patriots are better after there fa signings and you know it .it just hurts to much for you to admit it .:boohoo:

More talented? Yep, better? that remains to be seen. if it was so easy to just plug FAs in and have success don't you think Washington would have more than 1 playoff win this decade?

shastz
03-15-2007, 01:45 PM
More talented? Yep, better? that remains to be seen. if it was so easy to just plug FAs in and have success don't you think Washington would have more than 1 playoff win this decade?


Son, Washington didn't pick the players the Pats just signed now did they? Pioli and Belichick did, and that should send shivers up and down Jets, phins, and Bills fans spines. They don't miss often and you can bet they didn't miss on all the players they just signed. As for Welkier, lets see how well you remember how much he cost when the Jets pathetic db's are trying to cover him out of the slot next season. Something tells me you won't remembering what he cost, just that it wasn't enough. :lol:

nyjunc
03-15-2007, 01:52 PM
Son, Washington didn't pick the players the Pats just signed now did they? Pioli and Belichick did, and that should send shivers up and down Jets, phins, and Bills fans spines. They don't miss often and you can bet they didn't miss on all the players they just signed. As for Welkier, lets see how well you remember how much he cost when the Jets pathetic db's are trying to cover him out of the slot next season. Something tells me you won't remembering what he cost, just that it wasn't enough. :lol:

No they picked up all crap. no one can pick up the type of players NE is picking up. Adalius Thomas the gerat wes welker, the always reliable Donte Stallworht, the great kelley washington, kyle brady, smokin' sammy morris. This just might be the greatest collection of talehnt EVER assembled.:lol:

MR NFLFAN
03-15-2007, 06:47 PM
Son, Washington didn't pick the players the Pats just signed now did they? Pioli and Belichick did, and that should send shivers up and down Jets, phins, and Bills fans spines. They don't miss often and you can bet they didn't miss on all the players they just signed. As for Welkier, lets see how well you remember how much he cost when the Jets pathetic db's are trying to cover him out of the slot next season. Something tells me you won't remembering what he cost, just that it wasn't enough. :lol:

Shastz you might as well try having a debate with a box of rocks. Just let the cards play out and nyjunc will be hiding in his closet by week 4.

patriotspride
03-15-2007, 09:53 PM
No they picked up all crap. no one can pick up the type of players NE is picking up. Adalius Thomas the gerat wes welker, the always reliable Donte Stallworht, the great kelley washington, kyle brady, smokin' sammy morris. This just might be the greatest collection of talehnt EVER assembled.:lol:
somebody is in full panic mode :sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

FIUDolphinsFan
03-15-2007, 10:01 PM
somebody is in full panic mode :sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

i RARELY agree with jets fans, but he is right, maybe he is exaggerating a bit, but the only real big player they got was adalius thomas. stallworth is too inconsistent to be considered a great player. and everyone else is really just filling a void. dont get me wrong, they are good players. but thats it. GOOD not GREAT.

shastz
03-16-2007, 09:18 AM
Shastz you might as well try having a debate with a box of rocks. Just let the cards play out and nyjunc will be hiding in his closet by week 4.


Your right of course, I find that the average Jets fans I.Q. is a bit below the curve and judging from the response I got, :lol: well it speaks for itself. :lol: In any case the Patriots have added more talent than they had when they where one play away from their fourth Super Bowl in 6 years. Now all Jet, Phin and Bills fans can do is try and down play every move the Pats make, heck last offseason they all cried and laughed about how cheap the Pats where and how they would fall apart. The Bottom line is the offseason is like clock work, "The Patriots don't know what their doing in FA or the Draft and it's the END FOR THEM!!!!" Then of course the season starts and the Pats leave them all in the dust. Seems like old times to me. :cooldude:

nyjunc
03-16-2007, 10:04 AM
Your right of course, I find that the average Jets fans I.Q. is a bit below the curve and judging from the response I got, :lol: well it speaks for itself. :lol: In any case the Patriots have added more talent than they had when they where one play away from their fourth Super Bowl in 6 years. Now all Jet, Phin and Bills fans can do is try and down play every move the Pats make, heck last offseason they all cried and laughed about how cheap the Pats where and how they would fall apart. The Bottom line is the offseason is like clock work, "The Patriots don't know what their doing in FA or the Draft and it's the END FOR THEM!!!!" Then of course the season starts and the Pats leave them all in the dust. Seems like old times to me. :cooldude:

Such a knowledgable Pats fan like yourself would know the pats built their team through the draft and through lower price FAs and good character guys. This offseason they have overpaid for players and brought in questionable character guys. The pats won 3 SBs b/c they were a great TEAM, great teams are not built through FA like NE is trying to do. I prasied NE in the past when they were doing things the right way, the abandoned that formula and I am very happy about it.

shastz
03-16-2007, 11:42 AM
Such a knowledgable Pats fan like yourself would know the pats built their team through the draft and through lower price FAs and good character guys. This offseason they have overpaid for players and brought in questionable character guys. The pats won 3 SBs b/c they were a great TEAM, great teams are not built through FA like NE is trying to do. I prasied NE in the past when they were doing things the right way, the abandoned that formula and I am very happy about it.


More foolish spin. The Patriots have done exactly what they do every year, that is make the best possible moves given the situation to make the team better. With the cap going up nearly 20mil did you really thing they weren't going to use it? How foolish would that be? Questionable character guys? Who? Stallworth? Any different than Corey Dillion or Brian Cox? Please I'll bet you don't even realize that since being drafted in the same year as Deon Branch that Stollworth has been every bit as productive as Branch, and get this, he had A. Brooks throwing him the ball. Now I guess you'll hit me with "but Stallworth is an injury problem!!!" Well Branch has yet to play a full NFL season so there goes that argument. Look you can stick your head in the sand all you like, but the reality is the team that gave the Jets their worst play-off beating in the history of their sad little franchise just got better in Free Agency. Add to that the Patriots have two 1st round picks a could have as many as 6 over all day one picks, and well it's not over yet. :lol: Jet fans can still look at the bright side however, it's the off-season, it's their time to dream. :sidelol: 38 consecutive off-season championships and still counting, Jet fans should be thrilled. :sidelol:

nyjunc
03-16-2007, 12:20 PM
They throw around $20 mil SB's every year? they trade 2nd and 7th rd picks for medicore players and give $10 mil guaranteed? they bring in guys who are in the substance abuse program and guys that have been suspended for drugs? they bering in questionable character guys? I must have been sleeping whil all this was going on the last 6-7 years.

By the way, Philly signed kevin Curtis to $9.5 mil guaranteed, he's a better WR than Welker, came cheaper $ wise and didn't cost them picks.

shastz
03-16-2007, 01:09 PM
They throw around $20 mil SB's every year? they trade 2nd and 7th rd picks for medicore players and give $10 mil guaranteed? they bring in guys who are in the substance abuse program and guys that have been suspended for drugs? they bering in questionable character guys? I must have been sleeping whil all this was going on the last 6-7 years.

By the way, Philly signed kevin Curtis to $9.5 mil guaranteed, he's a better WR than Welker, came cheaper $ wise and didn't cost them picks.

1. They have never had $20mil in free cap space to put into Free agency until this year.
2. They gave up 2nd round picks for both Bethel Johnson and Tony Simmons in past drafts, wanna bet Weilker is more productive in a Patriots Uni then either of thoses guys? Point being, cost is a subjective thing, but of course you have no idea what I'm talking about.
3. Who exactlly has been suspended? Stallorth is in the substance abuse program, he's never once been suspended for anything. (Do you have any clue at all??)

Finally I'm not sure if what you've been doing for the last 6-7 years but I'll bet it had little to do with reading, writing, or spelling. :sidelol:

FanMarino
03-16-2007, 01:33 PM
i RARELY agree with jets fans, but he is right, maybe he is exaggerating a bit, but the only real big player they got was adalius thomas. stallworth is too inconsistent to be considered a great player. and everyone else is really just filling a void. dont get me wrong, they are good players. but thats it. GOOD not GREAT.

Colts hardly had stars apart from Manning and Harrison did they? They filled the jigsaw and they got the reward. NE are doing the right thing IMO. Tho it hurts to say it. Rags me off to be honest. When do we have to realise we have to be top of AFC East to go forward!!! We have to compete at Conference level to compete at NFL level. NE have improved, 3 new WR's they got thru FA. We have improved slightly with Porter on D but look at our DB backfield! Nothing new and no new prospects coming. Fins need to sort it.O-Line is a flippin mystery. Scooby Doo would have a problem sorting out our O-Line.

FIUDolphinsFan
03-16-2007, 02:10 PM
Colts hardly had stars apart from Manning and Harrison did they? They filled the jigsaw and they got the reward. NE are doing the right thing IMO. Tho it hurts to say it. Rags me off to be honest. When do we have to realise we have to be top of AFC East to go forward!!! We have to compete at Conference level to compete at NFL level. NE have improved, 3 new WR's they got thru FA. We have improved slightly with Porter on D but look at our DB backfield! Nothing new and no new prospects coming. Fins need to sort it.O-Line is a flippin mystery. Scooby Doo would have a problem sorting out our O-Line.

all im saying is that they are GOOD players not GREAT with the exception of thomas. by saying they are good, they are not hard to replace. they are all very expendable

nyjunc
03-16-2007, 03:51 PM
1. They have never had $20mil in free cap space to put into Free agency until this year.
2. They gave up 2nd round picks for both Bethel Johnson and Tony Simmons in past drafts, wanna bet Weilker is more productive in a Patriots Uni then either of thoses guys? Point being, cost is a subjective thing, but of course you have no idea what I'm talking about.
3. Who exactlly has been suspended? Stallorth is in the substance abuse program, he's never once been suspended for anything. (Do you have any clue at all??)

Finally I'm not sure if what you've been doing for the last 6-7 years but I'll bet it had little to do with reading, writing, or spelling. :sidelol:

1)Just b/c you have room doesn;'t mean you have to waste money.

2)just b/c they haven't hit on all 2nd rd picks doesn't mean they should give them up. Tony Simmons was in 1998 under a different regime- what does he have to do w/ anything? NE has hit on a few 2nd rd picks this decade- Matt Light, Deion Branch, Eugene Wilson- all are better players than Welker drafted w/ 2nd rd picks.

3) sammy Morris was suspended 4 games last year and Stallowrth currently has a strike against him as he's in the drug rehab program so before you ask someone esle if they have a clue you might want to get one yourself.

MR NFLFAN
03-16-2007, 06:09 PM
1)Just b/c you have room doesn;'t mean you have to waste money.

2)just b/c they haven't hit on all 2nd rd picks doesn't mean they should give them up. Tony Simmons was in 1998 under a different regime- what does he have to do w/ anything? NE has hit on a few 2nd rd picks this decade- Matt Light, Deion Branch, Eugene Wilson- all are better players than Welker drafted w/ 2nd rd picks.

3) sammy Morris was suspended 4 games last year and Stallowrth currently has a strike against him as he's in the drug rehab program so before you ask someone esle if they have a clue you might want to get one yourself.


1) Just b/c you stumble around a keyboard doesn't make you a talent scout.



Like I said shastz by week 4 the junk man from NY will be hiding in his closet.

Dolfan984
03-16-2007, 06:14 PM
The Jets always owned Welker. Especially Brad Smith.

nyjunc
03-16-2007, 09:28 PM
1) Just b/c you stumble around a keyboard doesn't make you a talent scout.



Like I said shastz by week 4 the junk man from NY will be hiding in his closet.

Do me a favor and look up my posts from the season. I was nothing but complimentary of NE. I praise when deserve and criticize when deservd and NE's offseason deserves to be criticized. To the less knowledgable they see big names and think they had a great offseason but there are people that can see through that and know that adding highprriced guys and questionable character guys does not work.

MR NFLFAN
03-17-2007, 12:45 AM
Do me a favor and look up my posts from the season. I was nothing but complimentary of NE. I praise when deserve and criticize when deservd and NE's offseason deserves to be criticized. To the less knowledgable they see big names and think they had a great offseason but there are people that can see through that and know that adding highprriced guys and questionable character guys does not work.



Deserves to be criticized? Questionable character guys? You really are full of your self. So far the whole world are the less knowledgable..except for you that is. At this point even though it makes no sense to reason with you I'll just add this NE has 3 Lombardi's which Belichick is responsible for plus two trips to the playoffs in 6 years. Who do you think is more knowledgable about the type of players NE signed him or you. I already know what your answer will be but I'm putting my trust in the man in charge of the team who has forgotten more about the NFL than you ever knew. You can type all the BS you want it doesn't make it true or you knowledgable.

MR NFLFAN
03-17-2007, 12:55 AM
Here is your questionable character player.

Stallworth transcript

A transcript of today's media conference call with new Patriots receiver Donte' Stallworth, courtesy of the Patriots:
Q: I heard that when you and Kelley Washington were together at Tennessee, you guys had a little bit of an intense rivalry and competed against each other. Do you feel like that maybe pushed both of you to be better players?

DS: The competitiveness between both of us was strictly business. There was a situation where we went skydiving together and he tried to hide my parachute from me when we were jumping off the plane at 30,000 feet. I'm just playing. [Laughter] He's a competitive guy and I'm a competitive guy. We got along fine. When he first got there, he was just trying to get acclimated to everything and once we started communicating more, that competitiveness between us made us better and it was all better for the team.

Q: Can you just outline the whole draft situation with Kelley? I know it’s been pretty well documented.

DS: He and I talked during the draft [process]. He was trying to decide if he was going to leave school or not. I had pretty much made up my mind. I felt like I was ready to play in the NFL and we pretty much talked throughout the whole process. He basically came to me asking me for advice on what I would do if I were in his shoes. I told him that I thought he ought to stay in school. He ended up staying, which I thought was a good decision for him, but he ended up getting hurt. During that whole process, things got really overblown with the fact that… I don't remember exactly what the story was, but the bottom line was things got overblown and there is no rivalry between he and I. I was hanging out with him a few months ago down here in Miami. He’s an ex-teammate of mine. We've hung out. There's definitely no problem. We communicate every so often, and obviously we will be doing a lot more communicating now that we are teammates again.

Q: There was a report last week that you are in the league substance abuse program. Can you comment on that at all and how it would affect your status with the Patriots for the season?

DS: All of that stuff is in the past. There was a situation a couple of years ago, but there's nothing that's going on now that will affect me in preparing to help this team win ballgames.

Q: Can you talk about the level of interest from Philadelphia? When you spoke to them this offseason, what were your feelings about your chances of coming back there?

DS: I thought my chances were pretty good. I had a productive year there and I felt like I could help the team. Before we finished with the season, I was told by pretty much everyone in the organization that they wanted me back and they wanted to get things worked out.

Q: Do you feel like you weren’t wanted back?

DS: No, I don't feel like I was wanted. All in all, I know that I was able to produce on the field and at the end of the day this is a business. They have to make the best business decision that they think is best for them and the same thing with myself.

Q: How do you look at the contract that you signed with the Patriots? Do you look at it as a one year deal or as a long-term deal?

DS: I don't usually get caught up in any of that stuff. Obviously, I'd like to be here for a very long time. My main objective is getting myself ready for the season and being able to up my game and get myself better, physically and mentally and all that good stuff, and getting ready for the season. I usually don't get too caught up into anything that's not productive in helping me play. Like I said, I definitely want to be in New England for a long time. As of right now, that's really in the back of my mind.

Q: Was there something that maybe pushed New England over the top versus Miami and Tennessee?

DS: Yes. If you look at the history, not even considering Tennessee and Miami, but if you look at New England’s history, compared to anyone’s history, all in all, you have people who want to make money, some people want some individual accolades and all of that, but at the end of the day it's all about winning and obviously this organization has had a lot of success. With me, I've played five seasons already and my first year making the playoffs was last year. I’ll tell you, not making the playoffs is not a fun thing at all because we all play for one common goal. At the end of the day, everyone wants to win. This organization has a great history of winning and I definitely wanted to be a part of that.

Q: Did you feel like playing in Philadelphia maybe gave you a little taste of what it felt like to be around a winning organization and you wanted more of it?

DS: Yes, I think so because the thing that I always tell people is ever since I've been playing football, back to when I was 11 years old, I’ve won a championship on every level that I’ve been on, except for the pros obviously. There's no greater feeling in sports than winning a championship. I was talking to Tom Brady the other day and I told him I couldn’t even imagine how it feels to win a Super Bowl. I won a national championship in college, and that was one of the greatest feelings ever. I told him I could only imagine how it feels to win a championship.

Q: Could you expand upon when you first met Tom and how much of that played a factor into your decision to sign with the Patriots?

DS: I’ve known Tom for a couple of years. It wasn’t just during this process that I first started talking to him. I’ve known him for a couple of years. It's interesting now that we'll have a chance to work together. He's definitely one of the best quarterbacks of the modern era. It's kind of a no-brainer. I was fortunate enough to play with a great quarterback down in Philadelphia in Donovan McNabb, and obviously Jeff Garcia did really well down there as well. At the same time, you have Tom Brady who is one of the best quarterbacks in this era. Anytime you can play with a guy of that caliber, who is throwing you the ball, that definitely helps a lot.

Q: Did he make a strong pitch for you when you came up to visit the Patriots? Was he at the stadium? Is that when you spoke with him and was that sort of part of the sales pitch from the Patriots?

DS: I don't want to necessarily say their sales pitch because like I said, I've known Tom a couple of years and once the free agency thing started, we had been talking, but it wasn't all about football.

Q: How did you first meet Tom?

DS: I think it was back in 2004, maybe during the ESPY’s. He's a Northern California guy. I'm a Northern California guy. So that’s pretty much how it all started.

Q: You crossed paths out in Northern California, is that right? Just being from the same area?

DS: Well, the same part of the state, I won't say the same area because he was still a few hours away from me distance wise. California is a pretty big state. We’re not too far from each other as far as where we grew up.

Q: So, would be accurate just to say that through that connection that is how you guys first met?

DS: Yes and me obviously respecting what he does and vice versa, I think that's pretty much how everything started. We've communicated in the past. Not being too much about football, just more in [terms] of, ‘How are you doing? Are you healthy? Where do you plan on going this offseason? What trips are you taking?’ Things like that, mostly general questions that weren't pertaining to football.

Q: Can you talk about where you see yourself in this offense? You come in as a number one receiver, but it’s an offense that likes to spread the ball around a lot and you might not get as many passes as other number one receivers would. Can you talk about what you see your role as?

DS: The same thing like I said when I came to Philadelphia, I don't see myself as a number one receiver. I’m just coming in looking at it as just another guy that can help make plays for the team to win ballgames. It all boils down to, and at the end of the day, everybody putting in their part of the work in the system and really just doing what you're able to do to make plays to help the team win. That's pretty much my whole thought process. I'm not worried about making Pro Bowls and all of that stuff. My main objective, like it's always been my whole career, has been to come in and help the team win ballgames. However that turns out, it's fine with me. I'm just here to help the team win ballgames. That's all that matters really.

Q: Do you see yourself playing any particular role? Obviously you’re going to stretch the defense. Have you talked about what role you’ll be playing in this offense?

DS: Not necessarily. All of that stuff will come down the road. Right now, I'm just trying to make sure that I'm getting myself better mentally and physically and being prepared once we do get started with the offseason workouts and all of that good stuff. However it turns out, that's what it will be.

Q: Did you talk to anyone else on the Patriots before you came? Was there anyone that really counseled you a little bit about how things are here?

DS: Yes, weird as it is, and I say weird because usually you know a few guys on a few teams, but there were a number of guys that I knew, former players and present players, that have played with the New England organization. A lot of the guys, I didn’t hear one thing negative about the organization. Everybody spoke highly of everyone, from the coach to the owner Mr. [Robert] Kraft. I'm really looking forward to getting up there and helping this team win. I talked with Ty Law. I talked with Deion Branch. Tebucky Jones. Mel Mitchell. I just talked with Artrell Hawkins a couple of days ago. Everyone spoke highly of the whole organization, so I'm looking forward to getting up there and doing my part.

Q: Was that an awkward conversation with Deion Branch knowing the situation that he went through in New England?

DS: Not at all. Like I said, you play football on the football field. At the end of the day, this is a business. Deion is a good friend of mine. We came out together and he had nothing but great things to say about the organization, nothing negative, because he understands it's a business and we both been in this game long enough to understand that things do happen and it's a business at the end of the day. He had nothing but great things to say about the coaches, players and the organization as a whole.

Q: Were you surprised that Deion would be so complimentary of everyone here considering the situation last year?

DS: What situation?

Q: Just with his holdout, the trade that wound up happening. Were you surprised that he would be so complimentary of everyone up here considering all that he had just gone through?

DS: Well, like I said it’s a business. You can't take anything personal that happens in this business. He is an intelligent young man and he understands the business aspect of the things, like I said, at the end of the day it is a business. Everyone's objective is winning and from that standpoint, I heard nothing but good things about the whole organization – players, coaches and everyone upstairs.

Q: Can you talk about your off the field approach or your maturity level and how things are different for you now versus when you came in?

DS: When I first came into the league, I made some immature decisions and it came back to really haunt me in the past couple of years. Just really looking at it, it’s knowing your responsibility. Not only is it your job to take care of your business and things of that nature, but you look at it and your teammates are putting in the hard work. They're making sure that they’re there on time and all of that and obviously the coaches are doing the same. You have to do the same. You can't be different from everyone else. Anyone that is working hard, you have to make sure that you're doing that as well. Not that I wasn't working hard, but it was just a perception, from myself looking at it, being late and things like that really doesn't sit well with your teammates. I had a couple of the older guys come and talk to me and explain to me that they knew that I cared and they knew how much I loved to play and how much I loved my teammates, but they were just telling me from a professional standpoint that it makes others that don't know me, or people on the outside looking in, it makes it looks like I really don't care too much. Once I heard that, it kind of hurt me because I want to be a team player. I want to work hard and things like that. I think that kind of made me wake up a little bit, having one of the older guys come and talk to me about that about a year or two ago.

Q: Is that an effect of getting older and more mature as a person more or less?

DS: Yes. I'm getting old. I'm 26. I only have a few years left in this game. You just realize the opportunities. As the years go by, that window gets smaller and smaller. The ultimate goal of everyone that has ever played this game, about 99 percent of the guys, their ultimate goal is to win a championship and hopefully before my time is up in this game, I will have won one hopefully.

Q: When you were asked about that Philadelphia Inquirer report about being in that NFL program, I just want to make sure that there is nothing there that will affect your playing with the Patriots?

DS: Not at all. Not at all. There are not too many things that will affect me as far as playing on the football field and being able to do my job. I've always took pride in the fact that I’ve been able to handle things off the field personally and dealing with family and so many other things that the average person deals with. I feel like it’s my job to play football and I love it. There’s not too many things that would be able to distract me. I don’t want to jinx anybody, but anything less than someone close to me being hurt, other than that, I'm perfectly fine. There are not too many things that can distract me from doing my job. I love doing it and I can't wait to get this thing started.

nyjunc
03-17-2007, 08:54 AM
Deserves to be criticized? Questionable character guys? You really are full of your self. So far the whole world are the less knowledgable..except for you that is. At this point even though it makes no sense to reason with you I'll just add this NE has 3 Lombardi's which Belichick is responsible for plus two trips to the playoffs in 6 years. Who do you think is more knowledgable about the type of players NE signed him or you. I already know what your answer will be but I'm putting my trust in the man in charge of the team who has forgotten more about the NFL than you ever knew. You can type all the BS you want it doesn't make it true or you knowledgable.

As we all know everything Belichick does turns to gold:rolleyes2 when he signs cheaper, good character guys it's the best move, when he signs expensive, questionable charcter guys it's the best move. So NE will win the next 4 SBs and this debate will be pointless.

The facts are signing multiple big $ FAs has proven NOT to work, the way NE did it previously has been proven TO work. I know as a pats fan no matter what they do you will say it's the greatest move ever but that's not the case.

A sepcific example is why did they give up 2nd and 7th rd picks for Wes Welker when they could have gotten kevin Curtis, a better WR, for LESS guaranteed money and no draft pick compensation?

MR NFLFAN
03-17-2007, 10:39 AM
As we all know everything Belichick does turns to gold:rolleyes2 when he signs cheaper, good character guys it's the best move, when he signs expensive, questionable charcter guys it's the best move. So NE will win the next 4 SBs and this debate will be pointless.

The facts are signing multiple big $ FAs has proven NOT to work, the way NE did it previously has been proven TO work. I know as a pats fan no matter what they do you will say it's the greatest move ever but that's not the case.

A sepcific example is why did they give up 2nd and 7th rd picks for Wes Welker when they could have gotten kevin Curtis, a better WR, for LESS guaranteed money and no draft pick compensation?

Maybe you should send your phone number to the Pats FO. That way Belichick could check in with you before he makes any more stupid FA signings. Since the Pats are already doomed is Mangina aware that the most knowledgable NFL personell man in the world is a jets fan? Maybe he is the man to send your phone number to.

nyjunc
03-18-2007, 09:43 AM
Maybe you should send your phone number to the Pats FO. That way Belichick could check in with you before he makes any more stupid FA signings. Since the Pats are already doomed is Mangina aware that the most knowledgable NFL personell man in the world is a jets fan? Maybe he is the man to send your phone number to.

good comeback:rolleyes:

shastz
03-19-2007, 09:45 AM
Maybe you should send your phone number to the Pats FO. That way Belichick could check in with you before he makes any more stupid FA signings. Since the Pats are already doomed is Mangina aware that the most knowledgable NFL personell man in the world is a jets fan? Maybe he is the man to send your phone number to.


I see what your saying about junc, it's like what my father used to say, he'd say "Never waste your time arguing with a stupid person, because being stupid isn't a choice." Let him have his fun, it's the off-season, it's the only time the Jet fans have. :lol:

patriotspride
03-19-2007, 08:11 PM
I see what your saying about junc, it's like what my father used to say, he'd say "Never waste your time arguing with a stupid person, because being stupid isn't a choice." Let him have his fun, it's the off-season, it's the only time the Jet fans have. :lol::sidelol: i figured out awhile ago not to waste my time with junc.he needs a drug treatment program .he actually believes his own bs

nyjunc
03-20-2007, 08:04 AM
It's funny when 2 know nothings are patting themselves on the back:sidelol: pay attention and you might learn something then in the future you might be able to have an intelligent chat w/ someone.

shastz
03-20-2007, 09:11 AM
It's funny when 2 know nothings are patting themselves on the back:sidelol: pay attention and you might learn something then in the future you might be able to have an intelligent chat w/ someone.


Sorry son but you would be better off just coming out and saying "I hate the Patriots and hope everything they do blows up in their face!!!". At least you would be respected as a honest rival fan. As it is you just look like a fool crying about things you don't want to be true. Well have at it if it makes you feel better, you have all off-season to convince yourself of what ever you like. Go ahead convince yourself that the Patriots don't know what their doing, that all of their FA pick-ups are busts. Just remember this the Patriot team that was within one play of going to their 4th Super Bowl in 6 years, and gave the Jets the worst playoff beating in their history, is now more talented at their two weakest spots. Nothing you do or say will change that, enjoy the off-season, in the fall reality comes again. :lol:

nyjunc
03-20-2007, 09:20 AM
Sorry son but you would be better off just coming out and saying "I hate the Patriots and hope everything they do blows up in their face!!!". At least you would be respected as a honest rival fan. As it is you just look like a fool crying about things you don't want to be true. Well have at it if it makes you feel better, you have all off-season to convince yourself of what ever you like. Go ahead convince yourself that the Patriots don't know what their doing, that all of their FA pick-ups are busts. Just remember this the Patriot team that was within one play of going to their 4th Super Bowl in 6 years, and gave the Jets the worst playoff beating in their history, is now more talented at their two weakest spots. Nothing you do or say will change that, enjoy the off-season, in the fall reality comes again. :lol:


Do me a favor and look up my post history and find all my negative comments about the Pats. You'll be looking for a long time, I have prasied them for years, I NOW feel they are making bad moevs and I am saying so. This reminds of the Phin fans last year telling me I disliked the Daunte move b/c I hate Miami. I tell it like it is regardless of whether I like or hate a team.

The "worst playoff beating" was a close game. it got out of hand very, very late. That game turned on a fluke TO and was a TD game w/ about 5 mins to play so don't act like you dominated that game.

Enjoy your offseason much like the skins fans have always enjoyed their offseason. reality will come in the fall and in the next few years. remember these posts.

shastz
03-20-2007, 09:46 AM
Do me a favor and look up my post history and find all my negative comments about the Pats. You'll be looking for a long time, I have prasied them for years, I NOW feel they are making bad moevs and I am saying so. This reminds of the Phin fans last year telling me I disliked the Daunte move b/c I hate Miami. I tell it like it is regardless of whether I like or hate a team.

The "worst playoff beating" was a close game. it got out of hand very, very late. That game turned on a fluke TO and was a TD game w/ about 5 mins to play so don't act like you dominated that game.

Enjoy your offseason much like the skins fans have always enjoyed their offseason. reality will come in the fall and in the next few years. remember these posts.


:lol: The louder you whistle past the grave-yard the more scared you are. :sidelol: Sorry to inform you but, it makes no difference if you get knocked out in the first 5 minutes of the fight, or the last, either way you got your a$$ kicked. :boohoo:

nyjunc
03-21-2007, 08:40 AM
:lol: The louder you whistle past the grave-yard the more scared you are. :sidelol: Sorry to inform you but, it makes no difference if you get knocked out in the first 5 minutes of the fight, or the last, either way you got your a$$ kicked. :boohoo:

I'm not scared at all, I see a team that is desperate. A team overpaying for players and brining in questionable character guys. I am elated w/ the Pats offseason. You sound like a Redskin fan.:lol:

patriotspride
03-22-2007, 12:30 AM
I'm not scared at all, I see a team that is desperate. A team overpaying for players and brining in questionable character guys. I am elated w/ the Pats offseason. You sound like a Redskin fan.:lol:oh stop with the redskin comparison its stupid .they stink and they have for awhile .trying to rebuild a team with high priced fa to a already lousy team doesn't make sense.the patriots have a excellent team that went to the afc championship game .and they have a pro bowl qb among other excellent players something the redskins don't have .adding some fa to strengthen weakness on a team that's already championship caliber is hardly the same thing the redskins did :sidelol: .now pull up your pants and go change your diaper you **** yourself and you've made a fool of yourself enough for today :sidelol:

nyjunc
03-22-2007, 07:56 AM
oh stop with the redskin comparison its stupid .they stink and they have for awhile .trying to rebuild a team with high priced fa to a already lousy team doesn't make sense.the patriots have a excellent team that went to the afc championship game .and they have a pro bowl qb among other excellent players something the redskins don't have .adding some fa to strengthen weakness on a team that's already championship caliber is hardly the same thing the redskins did :sidelol: .now pull up your pants and go change your diaper you **** yourself and you've made a fool of yourself enough for today :sidelol:

Let me get this straight- when Wash overpays and gives up draft picks for nothing it's bad but when NE does it it's good? when NE doesn't sign big name, high priced players it's good but when the Jets do it's bad? Ok, I got it now:rolleyes:

NE's Championship core is quickly dying off. You'll have Brady and that's most important but you are losing more Championship guys w/ each offseason and that is HUGE.

You guys are hysterical, in every other year you'd be crowing about how NE doesn't overpay and they don't have to but now that they are for not great players and questionable character guys they are great for doing it b/c NE could never possibly make a bad decision(by the ay if they weren't cheap w/ Vinatieri they'd probably have another SB- Gustkowski did fine but w/o AV Indy doesn't make the Championship game).

patriotspride
03-22-2007, 09:36 AM
:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

nyjunc
03-22-2007, 09:43 AM
As usual a good comeback, what would I expect when you are a clueless fan who just seees big names and goes crazy. Good luck to the Patskins this year.

satz
03-22-2007, 10:15 AM
As usual a good comeback, what would I expect when you are a clueless fan who just seees big names and goes crazy. Good luck to the Patskins this year.

Your points do not seem correct.The patriots did what they have been doing all long.

Adiaus Thomas got a bigger offer from 49`s and took less to stay with Pats
Stallworth Indeed could have gotten a longer contract but took a 1 yr prove it contract for less and stayed with the pats.

So how is it different ..,they have always never paid the highest offer as even for colvin he took 1 million /yr less to play for the patriots.They make an offer based on value which is lower than the highest offer .

So making an offer which is less than the maximum offer and letting the player sign for less .isn`t that what the patriots have done before?.They were not the maximum bidder as you claim they were.

patriotspride
03-22-2007, 10:23 AM
Your points do not seem correct.The patriots did what they have been doing all long.

Adiaus Thomas got a bigger offer from 49`s and took less to stay with Pats
Stallworth Indeed could have gotten a longer contract but took a 1 yr prove it contract for less and stayed with the pats.

So how is it different ..,they have always never paid the highest offer as even for colvin he took 1 million /yr less to play for the patriots.They make an offer based on value which is lower than the highest offer .

So making a offer less the maximum offer and letting the player sign for less isn`t that the patriots have done before?.They were not the maximum bidder as you claim they were.junc never lets facts get in the way of a perfectly good argument :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2

shastz
03-22-2007, 01:27 PM
Your points do not seem correct.The patriots did what they have been doing all long.

Adiaus Thomas got a bigger offer from 49`s and took less to stay with Pats
Stallworth Indeed could have gotten a longer contract but took a 1 yr prove it contract for less and stayed with the pats.

So how is it different ..,they have always never paid the highest offer as even for colvin he took 1 million /yr less to play for the patriots.They make an offer based on value which is lower than the highest offer .

So making an offer which is less than the maximum offer and letting the player sign for less .isn`t that what the patriots have done before?.They were not the maximum bidder as you claim they were.


Your missing the point, junc is a Jet fan that only sees what he wants to see. He's the simple minded type of fan that wants so badly for his team to succeed that he'll create in his own head, any and all reasons for why his rival will fail. Jet fans have been off-season champs for years, but they haven't sniffed a Super Bowl in 38 years :lol:. They tell us every off-season how bad the Patriots moves were and how it's going to destroy the team the next season. :lol: I've heard them say cutting Milloy would destroy the team, I've heard them say that trading for Corey Dillon was a mistake, and how he was washed up, :lol: I've heard it all, and this year is no differen't the Jets and phins are already competing for 2nd place in the division, it matters little what their fans want to belive. :sidelol:

nyjunc
03-22-2007, 02:10 PM
Your points do not seem correct.The patriots did what they have been doing all long.

Adiaus Thomas got a bigger offer from 49`s and took less to stay with Pats
Stallworth Indeed could have gotten a longer contract but took a 1 yr prove it contract for less and stayed with the pats.

So how is it different ..,they have always never paid the highest offer as even for colvin he took 1 million /yr less to play for the patriots.They make an offer based on value which is lower than the highest offer .

So making an offer which is less than the maximum offer and letting the player sign for less .isn`t that what the patriots have done before?.They were not the maximum bidder as you claim they were.

Who cares if he got a bigger offer from SF? he was still overpaid, just b/c he wasn't as overpaid as he could have been doesn't make his contract a bargain.


junc never lets facts get in the way of a perfectly good argument :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2

All I do is provide facts, you guys don't have your own opinions- you get your opinions from ESPN.


Your missing the point, junc is a Jet fan that only sees what he wants to see. He's the simple minded type of fan that wants so badly for his team to succeed that he'll create in his own head, any and all reasons for why his rival will fail. Jet fans have been off-season champs for years, but they haven't sniffed a Super Bowl in 38 years :lol:. They tell us every off-season how bad the Patriots moves were and how it's going to destroy the team the next season. :lol: I've heard them say cutting Milloy would destroy the team, I've heard them say that trading for Corey Dillon was a mistake, and how he was washed up, :lol: I've heard it all, and this year is no differen't the Jets and phins are already competing for 2nd place in the division, it matters little what their fans want to belive. :sidelol:

Our 38 years is still LESS than the 41 it took for NE to win a SB.

Not one pat fans criticized my opniions during the season. why you ask? B/c I was nothing but complimentary of them, now I am seeing them make mistakes which makes me happy as an opposing fan and I am sharing my opinion. I back up my opinion w/ more than just ESPN articles. If NE does well and I compliment them will my opinion matter then? You gusy are hysterical, you are clueless and your best argument is that i am bashing NE b/c I don't like the Pats yet I praised them all last year and have argued how Brady is the best QB of this generation by far. I call them as I see them unlike you pats homers and/or bandwagon fans.

satz
03-22-2007, 02:23 PM
Am i getting this correct, that you know the value of every FA player and a dollar more than that is over paying?

WOW.... i am totally humbled by this revalation by you.More power to you.

nyjunc
03-22-2007, 02:35 PM
Am i getting this correct, that you know the value of every FA player and a dollar more than that is over paying?

WOW.... i am totally humbled by this revalation by you.More power to you.

I think most intelligent fans that pay attention know that a guy like Adalius Thomas is not worth $20 mil guaranteed and a blind man could see Wes Welker isn't worth $10 mil guaranteed AND 2 draft picks.

satz
03-22-2007, 02:56 PM
I think most intelligent fans that pay attention know that a guy like Adalius Thomas is not worth $20 mil guaranteed and a blind man could see Wes Welker isn't worth $10 mil guaranteed AND 2 draft picks.
What are you basing this on ...let me gues their 2007.2008.2009 performace which none of us have seen.they have been payed them to play for the coming years.So you are going to argue that thomas john`s is not worth 20 million too now....pls lets see what his numbers are before jumping shall we.

nyjunc
03-22-2007, 03:15 PM
What are you basing this on ...let me gues their 2007.2008.2009 performace which none of us have seen.they have been payed them to play for the coming years.So you are going to argue that thomas john`s is not worth 20 million too now....pls lets see what his numbers are before jumping shall we.

Jones got about $12 mil guaranteed, that is not out of line and consiering Wes Welker got $10 mil ii looks like a steal. We overpaid for kenyon coleman BUt overpaying at $6 mil and $20 mil are 2 different things. It's nothing against the Pats, sure I want to see them fail but I prasie when I think it's deserved and bash when I think it's deserved. I have praised the patriots for a long time and I will do so in the future when they make moves I like. They were going to be really good no matter what they did this offseason but if they don't win a SB this year the moves are failures b/c they are moves out of desperation(think '01-current NY Yankees) to revive a dynasty.

satz
03-22-2007, 04:06 PM
Jones got about $12 mil guaranteed, that is not out of line and consiering Wes Welker got $10 mil ii looks like a steal. We overpaid for kenyon coleman BUt overpaying at $6 mil and $20 mil are 2 different things. It's nothing against the Pats, sure I want to see them fail but I prasie when I think it's deserved and bash when I think it's deserved. I have praised the patriots for a long time and I will do so in the future when they make moves I like. They were going to be really good no matter what they did this offseason but if they don't win a SB this year the moves are failures b/c they are moves out of desperation(think '01-current NY Yankees) to revive a dynasty.

I have no problem with your opinion as they are like az ole and every one has 1.But i have a problem with question my intelligence because i have a different view.

maybe the moves are bad but if they win another SB then the whole discussion becomes mute or like what happened to colvin breaking his hip after signing. I did a rough estimate and the pats are going to end up with 25 million cap room again as you guessed it they paid down seymour and brady`s contract down..... and signing bonus are split over the life of the contract.

PatriotReign
03-22-2007, 06:50 PM
I think most intelligent fans that pay attention know that a guy like Adalius Thomas is not worth $20 mil guaranteed and a blind man could see Wes Welker isn't worth $10 mil guaranteed AND 2 draft picks.


I understand your point although I don't agree with it. The Patriots had tons of cap space so the $$$ factor is negilible if the players they signed perform effectively. I realize thats a simplistic viewpoint but many fans play a fantasy football game with the salary cap and get hung up on the dollar stats as if its their money.

The only question the Patriots are concerned with is did these signings make them a more competetive football team? The intelligent answer is yes. Kraft's accountant may hate the deal but the coaching staff is thrilled.

IF Welker, Stallworth, Thomas, et al play an integral role in the Pats success next year will it still be considered a "waste" of cap room and/ or draft picks?
The intelligent answer is 'no'.

The Pats don't do adhere to one philosophy- they are always adapting. This year they were more agressive in the F/A market, they may be next year or they could go the other way.

The rival fans who claim being happy that the Pats "wasted" $$$ or draft picks on these F/A's are either delusional or whistling past the graveyard. The Washington Redskin regerences would hold more weight if they had the same QB and front office as the Pats, their success speaks for itself.:cooldude: