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PhinsTD
06-28-2003, 01:40 AM
Peanut...hate to say it, but the Heat REACHED for Dwayne Wade. He is a olis player who will give you a few good mintues but will never be anything more than an average starter.

Heat got too caught up in winning this season with this pick.

About the school system, you can make the test scores look however you want with the right manipulation and subjects covered in certain schools. Also, NY had a tough time the last few years in which the government is going to try to make the future and entire picture of the area look rosey. As a whole, the public school systems in this country all suck. Many other countries perform our highest scholastic levels material in Jr High.

I also believe he was merely trying to be funny about your math on the subject, not actually thinking there were no schools there.

Prime Time
06-28-2003, 02:10 AM
Miami made a great pick with Wade. Even the analysts said he could be the best pick of the draft after the first 3. I am sure analysts know more than you, no offense.

Can we win a SB
06-28-2003, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by Prime Time
Miami made a great pick with Wade. Even the analysts said he could be the best pick of the draft after the first 3. I am sure analysts know more than you, no offense. Which analyst said that...

Can we win a SB
06-28-2003, 02:54 AM
Originally posted by Prime Time
Miami made a great pick with Wade. Even the analysts said he could be the best pick of the draft after the first 3. I am sure analysts know more than you, no offense. Are you talking aobut NBA of the Miami heat or Dolphins who got Wade smith the tackle.. if you are talking about hte Heat. i think they did really good in the draft... Dwayne wade is the man and we got a steal in Jerome Beasly..(second round)

Fresh
06-28-2003, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by Phinstd
Peanut...hate to say it, but the Heat REACHED for Dwayne Wade. He is a olis player who will give you a few good mintues but will never be anything more than an average starter.

Heat got too caught up in winning this season with this pick.


Hate to say it bud, but you don't know your basketball. Every analyst loved the pick, just like Prime Time said. Stick to football because the basketball knowledge you have is.. :(

I guess you think the Nugs "reached" on Melo too huh? :lol:

PhinsTD
06-28-2003, 12:01 PM
I'm sorry but I've yet to see a single analyst like the pick of Wade. Did you watch the draft? Good ole Tolbert said what are they thinking? Eddie Jones is a solid player and plays the same position. I know alot about basketball son. My team is the Pistons and they had the best draft of the night.

Wade is an ok player, will only be an ok player in the league. Your team needed a low post scorer who can get to the free throw line, there were a few available at the 5 spot and you pick a versatile Guard who has a suspect shot and doesn't play defense. Did I mention he plays the same position as your right now best player?(Butler will be soon enough)

Miami got a player who could help them win now because their coach needs to. They did not do what is best for the future of the franchise. Sorry if the truth hurts.

As for Moulds rocks, Clump doesn't know half about the Phins as probably 60% of the posters on this board. This board is by far, the best board for any team I've ever seen. Most of the people are diehard knowledgeable, if not somewhat touchy about their team, fans with a lot of info on this team. Clump comes spewing numbers that he gets off the INTERNET and usually quotes documents about the CBA and estimated numbers for players salaries that he NO CLUE what the actual figures look like and passes them off as his "knowledge" and knows the exact numbers. He was so sure this team was in "jail" and headed for "hell" look at our offseason. One of the best in 10 years here and we still have money for injury signings, I'd say he wrong in his assertion we were dead there. Don't get me wrong, Clump seems alright, but don't play him out as some sort of football guru. He has the same info the rest of us do, and has no access to info the rest of us don't. End of story.

Fresh
06-28-2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Phinstd
I'm sorry but I've yet to see a single analyst like the pick of Wade. Did you watch the draft? Good ole Tolbert said what are they thinking? Eddie Jones is a solid player and plays the same position. I know alot about basketball son. My team is the Pistons and they had the best draft of the night.

Wade is an ok player, will only be an ok player in the league. Your team needed a low post scorer who can get to the free throw line, there were a few available at the 5 spot and you pick a versatile Guard who has a suspect shot and doesn't play defense. Did I mention he plays the same position as your right now best player?(Butler will be soon enough)

Miami got a player who could help them win now because their coach needs to. They did not do what is best for the future of the franchise. Sorry if the truth hurts.



You're wrong. I just popped in the tape from the pick, they all loved it. Tolbert said it was a great pick and he'll be a great player but he didn't know WHERE HE FITS IN with the Heat. Doesn't play defense? Oh you're just throwing words out of your mouth, he is one of the top defenders coming out of college. Wade can't get to the free throw line? He's one of the best players at taking it to the rack. Suspect shot? Wade has a great mid-range J. His long-range shots need IMPROVEMENT. Wade is MORE READY than Darko is right now. Don't get pissed because you have no clue what you're talking about.

Go to ESPN.COM and read the Draft grades. Look at how much they love the pick of Wade. Go buy the Herald/Sentinel, look how much they loved the Wade pick. Go to Basketballboards.Net, Hoopsworld.com, Realgm.com. Look how much they loved the Wade pick.

You just made a fool out of yourself, SON.. :sleep:

Fresh
06-28-2003, 01:02 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nbadraft/d03/story?id=1573414

PhinsTD: "Wade can't play D"

Miami Heat
Round 1: Dwyane Wade, G, Marquette (No. 5)
Round 2: Jerome Beasley, C, North Dakota (No. 33)
It's tough to criticize Pat Riley for passing on Lampe when 24 other teams did the same thing. Wade was the most ready to contribute now, and that was important to Riley. He should be able to step in right away and play together with Eddie Jones. The only knock on the pick is that Wade won't give them much-needed perimeter shooting. But his athleticism, defense and maturity make up for that. Beasley is a great second-round pick. He'll have to work harder than he's ever worked to play with Riley, but that effort could turn him into the steal of the second round.
Grade: A-

thank you.. :D

t2thejz
06-28-2003, 02:26 PM
Phinstd, have you ever seen a game with wade in it the guy is awsome. I think maybe if he stayed a year he could of been the #1 pick, he has skills

Prime Time
06-28-2003, 02:41 PM
PhinsTD is silent now. Tolbert or some analyst on ESPN said they loved the pick with Wade I remember hearing it at the end of the draft.

Fresh
06-28-2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Prime Time
PhinsTD is silent now. Tolbert or some analyst on ESPN said they loved the pick with Wade I remember hearing it at the end of the draft.

Yes sir. Should we throw in some other analysts' take on Wade? :D

Word for the future: Do not try and rank on my Heat and their draft, because I will school you! Especially the NBA Draft, don't talk negative unless you actually know your stuff! :eek:

Prime Time
06-28-2003, 02:53 PM
I bet Wade has the 3rd best rookie year of all after LeBron and Carmelo. Wade is going to be an awesome player in the coming years.

Fresh
06-28-2003, 03:48 PM
Damn straight. And the best thing is, he is ready to make a big impact now. I could see him putting up similar numbers to Caron's last year, with a few points less and alot more assists.

You know, I don't like the Jones for Brandon thing, all it does is save cap room. But it does make sense. If we do that, we'll be loaded when Brandon retires next season. We'd also have extra money this year, where we can go after both Andre Miller and Michael Olowakandi..

1-Andre Miller
2-Dwyane Wade
3-Caron Butler
4-Brian Grant
5-Kandi Man

But the Sun-Sentinel mentions that we WILL go after Dre Miller and Kandi this year, or possibly BRAD Miller.

Interesting..

iceblizzard69
06-28-2003, 04:12 PM
The Heat will not sign both Andre Miller and Kandi. They may be able to get one, but definitely not both.

As for my Knicks, we got the steal of the draft in Maciej Lampe so I am happy. Wade is a solid player though.

Muck
06-28-2003, 04:32 PM
I didn't see an analyst who DIDN'T like the pick. That's my totally unbiased comment on the matter.

I didn't follow basketball as much last year. So I only heard about Dwayne Wade in the past week. And what I heard/read was that he's a leader (got Marquette to the Final Four)....high character guy.....solid defender...good handles.....and can get to the basket. A SLASHER. Knock being he doesn't have a consistent shot outside of 18 feet(?).

Anyway, I can't wait to see him and Caron.

Fresh
06-28-2003, 08:51 PM
Ice is right, but if we trade Jones for Brandon(who's $10.31m be off the books next year).. it's not completely impossible. But if we sign Brad Miller(Sentinel mentioned), we'd definately be in a playoff shape.

Getting Michael Olowakandi would be more realistic though(price range). And signing Howard and keeping B.G. at he 5 would be another option.

But I'd like to trade Jones, maybe for Stromile Swift and sign Dre Miller.

possible line-ups could be:

1-Dwyane Wade
2-Eddie Jones
3-Caron Butler
4-Brian Grant
5-Brad Miller or Michael Olowakandi

1-Dwyane Wade
2-Eddie Jones
3-Caron Butler
4-Jawuan Howard or P.J. Brown
5-Brian Grant

1-Dre Miller or Kenny Anderson
2-Dwyane Wade
3-Caron Butler
4-Stromile Swift
5-Brian Grant

Of course other things can happen. Like a blockbuster trade, or a trade with Grant and a 2004 1st rounder for Sheed or something in the matter of Jones or Grant with a '04 1st rounder. Another possibilty would be trading Jones for the rights of RFA Jason Terry and getting Alan Henderson as a filler. A trade with Reef involved would be another.

In my dreams would they go after Crawford!

Prime Time
06-29-2003, 01:54 AM
I think the Heat will sign one good player in the offseason who will make a difference and help win some games and then sign some guys to have a better bench. I like Olowakandi...I had Kandi in a sim once and he did well for the Heat we won alot of games with him in. If the Heat don't make playoffs this year, I can promise you next year we will be.

PhinsTD
06-30-2003, 10:56 AM
Wade is an undersized misfit Guard who will make you come to wish you had chosen someone else. The only reason I was silent is because I couldn't find my damn post.

Wade is a solid player like I said. But at #5 he was not good value. You can't school anything, like I said the Pistons had the best draft. Don't be mad because the Heat will never be able to contend with them. He's the quintessential tweener, not big enough to play shooting Guard, not good enough ball skills to play the point. NBA Draft.net doesn't like the pick and they are the most informative I've seen for the draft. I do remember Tolbert saying what are they doing because he has nowhere to play. If they trade Jones maybe, but they are still placing too much emphasis on winning now because ole Riley knows he needs to.

Haven't seen you write anything to offset these facts. If you think Wade will be good for your team so be it, you're the one who has to watch them. If you'll read, you'll see I don't think he is a good fit for your team and especially not at #5

PhinsTD
06-30-2003, 11:03 AM
This is from draft.net

Weakness: Wade is dangerously close to being a combo guard. Too small to be a shooting guard not enough point guard skills to run a team offense ... While he shows range on his shot, his mid-range shooting remains streaky ... Must improve on moving without the ball he often needs the ball in his hands to create offense ... Wade's ball handling could stand to be improved if he is to play some point guard in the NBA ... Size. Many undersized guards have a hard time transitioning to the NBA game. Wade has the benefit of long arms which allow him to play big for his size ... Not much of a 3-point shooter although he does have the ability to make 3's. He often doesn't get his body fully squared to the basket ...

I did not say Wade didn't get the free throw line btw, I was saying what you needed from a frontcourt player. I seen Wade get abused byt the Missouri Tigers Ricky Paulding when he was guarding him in the tournament last year. I don't think he has the size to Guard the other teams big guards or the quickness to guard a point guard.

Perhaps I'm wrong, I've often liked players who have turned out to suck, but my feeling is they could have had better value and a player that fills some of their needs a little more. Candy is not what you want to fill your middle. Juwan Howard would be a good fit if you move Grant and Jones.

Fresh
06-30-2003, 01:50 PM
I am still falling asleep when I read your posts. NBADraft.Net is NOT better than ESPN, who loved the pick. The last 3 weeks, their mocks have been surprisingly terrible. They had us taking Hinrich? :lol:

I don't give a DAMN if we can't contend with the Pistons, this isn't about the damn Pistons and Rip Hamilton's no-D havin' _____.

This is about Wade. I LOVE when people call him undersized. 6'5/212 with the leaping abilty that he has, with that wingspan that he has.. oh boy.

I could care less if the Pistons had the best draft, hats off to the Pistons! This is about Wade, someone you obviously don't know about..

:sleep:

J-E-T-S
06-30-2003, 02:23 PM
Good draft for the future for the Pistons, but not this year, and they are still by far the WORST #1 SEED of ALL-TIME. ( Even worse than that Heat team that lost to my #8 seed Knicks a few years back). That team is no match for elite teams as seen by their joke of a performance against the Nets, and that won't change this year as long as Kidd resigns.

TerryTate
06-30-2003, 06:06 PM
You keep talking about how great a draft hte pistons got....if the heat were lucky on lottery night and landed in the top 3, would they of had a great draft??? They were lucky that the grizz would be stupid enough a few years back to give up Otis Thorpe for a first rounder, and the fate of the balls gave them the #2 pick.....its all luck in this draft for the pistons....dont get me wrong, they will be the team of the east and will be way ahead of the pack thanks to the additions of Darko and coach larry brown....but we werent even talking about them....

Fresh
06-30-2003, 07:13 PM
Hey PhinsTD, you know what I noticed??

You are bragging about how great the Pistons draft was and about how Wade wasn't a good value at #5.

Let me tell you something wonnabe Draft Analyst, Dwyane Wade was the best player left at 5, the most ready to play. I should brag on you because Darko wasn't thebest player at #2! What do you think, we will regret picking Wade over Kaman, Hinrich, or Ford? LMFAO!

You will regret Darko over Melo though, I promise!

TerryTate
06-30-2003, 09:25 PM
I dont think Wade was the best left, but I think he was the best left that would fit the heat...Wade wasnt rated that high by many of the analysts....but i still think he was a good pickup....

If the Heat are approaching the playoffs next season (who knows with the Eastern Conference) and if Dwayne Wade lives up to expectations, look for Eddie Jones to be expendable aroudn the deadline....

PhinsTD
06-30-2003, 09:42 PM
You are slamming me but have shown no intelligent insight of your own to add to the convo. I think your team needed a PG, that would make TJ Ford or a trade down and picking up another PG as the best option for you. I thought we were talking about value, not how good a player Wade will or won't be. I think he does not fit your teams needs, you haven't exactly shown me wrong there at all. You've just ranted about how smart you are and all this, show me.

Melo is only a SF in the NBA, Darko can play all three frontcourt positions. He has size, something the team sorely needs. We have Prince who is not Melo, but very good at SF. The Pistons had the best draft because Darko will be a stud at a position we needed to fill. Wade can be a stud but that will cost Eddie Jones playing time and steals in the backcourt playing against guards, size advantages against SG and PG, and rebounding inside without having a true SF in.

If you play Wade at the point, you're taking away from your offense since he lacks the ball skills to run a team. (He rarely ever played PG for Marquette, Travis Diener did)

Keep with your opinion, fine and great. No need to be personal or try to slam on me, I just feel the Heat took the wrong player. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps I'm not.

Yes, to whomever asked the Pistons had a great draft because yes they were lucky enough to get a #2 pick in the draft. The other picks they had though were very good as well. Delfino is a lottery talent and would have went there w/o an ankle injury in a workout with the Pistons. The Greek player they selected in the second round is young and athletic, the perfect second round pick. (BTW, the Heat had one of the best second round picks of all in Beasley who they can send to the NBADL league to grow and improve.)