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daniel3
03-21-2007, 06:50 PM
Provided that no other team moves in front of us, its a very probable scenario that this guy falls to us if he gets past the Vikings (which out all the teams ahead of us now is the most probable to take him), is it worth it to draft this guy just due to the sheer fact he is so talented and its rare to see a guy like that still available at the #9 spot? That is though if we are unable to deal him away as there aren't too many teams below us starving for a RB. The Jets are one and they do also have two second rounders (imagine having 6 first day picks with 4 of them being in the second round), but I dunno about the likelihood of that.

IluvJuMiami
03-21-2007, 07:07 PM
Provided that no other team moves in front of us, its a very probable scenario that this guy falls to us if he gets past the Vikings (which out all the teams ahead of us now is the most probable to take him), is it worth it to draft this guy just due to the sheer fact he is so talented and its rare to see a guy like that still available at the #9 spot? That is though if we are unable to deal him away as there aren't too many teams below us starving for a RB. The Jets are one and they do also have two second rounders (imagine having 6 first day picks with 4 of them being in the second round), but I dunno about the likelihood of that.

I don't think the situation changes much when it comes to Peterson.

I think the Falcons have put themselves in position to move up for Calvin Johnson and I also believe Cleveland couldn't be happier about it.

In an ideal situation, Cleveland could move down to 8, add extra picks, and still have Peterson fall right upon their laps.

And that is exactly what I think is going to happen if JaMarcus Russell goes number 1 to Oakland.

But even if Atlanta where to stay put at 8, Warrick Dunn is 32 years old.

Dolphin39
03-21-2007, 07:08 PM
Provided that no other team moves in front of us, its a very probable scenario that this guy falls to us if he gets past the Vikings (which out all the teams ahead of us now is the most probable to take him), is it worth it to draft this guy just due to the sheer fact he is so talented and its rare to see a guy like that still available at the #9 spot? That is though if we are unable to deal him away as there aren't too many teams below us starving for a RB. The Jets are one and they do also have two second rounders (imagine having 6 first day picks with 4 of them being in the second round), but I dunno about the likelihood of that.


A very good question and Petersen should be a great RB. Should we consider drafting him to compliment Ronnie Brown?

zach8111
03-21-2007, 07:09 PM
i hate that. it would only be five picks with no first round pick because you wasted it on AP just to trade him away. it will NEVER happen. anyway i believe the browns will take AP if they dont trade down.

zach8111
03-21-2007, 07:11 PM
I don't think the situation changes much when it comes to Peterson.

I think the Falcons have put themselves in position to move up for Calvin Johnson and I also believe Cleveland couldn't be happier about it.

In an ideal situation, Cleveland could move down to 8, add extra picks, and still have Peterson fall right upon their laps.

And that is exactly what I think is going to happen if JaMarcus Russell goes number 1 to Oakland.

But even if Atlanta where to stay put at 8, Warrick Dunn is 32 years old.

I think falcons want landry

Geforce
03-21-2007, 07:24 PM
Provided that no other team moves in front of us, its a very probable scenario that this guy falls to us if he gets past the Vikings (which out all the teams ahead of us now is the most probable to take him), is it worth it to draft this guy just due to the sheer fact he is so talented and its rare to see a guy like that still available at the #9 spot? That is though if we are unable to deal him away as there aren't too many teams below us starving for a RB. The Jets are one and they do also have two second rounders (imagine having 6 first day picks with 4 of them being in the second round), but I dunno about the likelihood of that.

Despite how talented Peterson, it would be a mistake for us to draft him. If reinstated, Ricky Williams is better and would come at a much cheaper price.

Buffalo and Green Bay are two teams that would love to have his services.

I'm not so sure I would want to trade down 16 spots in the 1st round.

IluvJuMiami
03-21-2007, 07:33 PM
A very good question and Petersen should be a great RB. Should we consider drafting him to compliment Ronnie Brown?

I would definitely draft Peterson if no one offered to trade up for him.

I would not allow his value to pass us by simply because teams might call our bluff and say "You don't need a RB. He'll fall some more."

BS. I'd draft Peterson if no offers are being made and force one. Someone will eventually come calling for a guy that in any other draft would have probably been the 1st pick.

And what's the worst thing that can come out of us taking Peterson? Miami has 2 first round picks in the backfield? Remind you of any other team managed by Mueller? I'm sure you remember what someone gave up for one of those first round picks.

I've been saying it all along, I really like Brady Quinn but Peterson falling to us may be the best situation for our franchise.

Anyways, I think Stanton in the 2nd might be a steal for who ever drafts him. That is one tough QB.

IluvJuMiami
03-21-2007, 07:36 PM
I think falcons want landry

It's a possibility. And if they stay at 8 and Peterson doesn;t fall, I'm sure Landry will be their pick.

But I think you're wrong. I think Atlanta wants Calvin Johnson and they are going to make a serious play for him.

Frayser
03-21-2007, 08:06 PM
If Peterson falls to us, we would be stupid to not get both Buffalo and Green Bay on the phone and say "who wants him most?" Someone will trade up for him. Peterson just might be the second best player in the draft after Johnson.

Danny
03-21-2007, 08:54 PM
If someone wants to move up to 9 to take him then fine but I don't know about taking him without having a trade in place....also if we're gonna move down we need to feel that the player we want will be there for us at the lower spot too.

Ozzy rules!!

IluvJuMiami
03-21-2007, 09:01 PM
If someone wants to move up to 9 to take him then fine but I don't know about taking him without having a trade in place....also if we're gonna move down we need to feel that the player we want will be there for us at the lower spot too.

Ozzy rules!!

You don't know, Mueller does. Ask him about Duece and Ricky. Ask him what he got for Ricky later.

Someone has to make you a decent offer to be able to make a trade. Are both of you guys saying that if no one offers a trade we should let a prospect who could be a #1 pick in any other draft slip through our fingers?

Geforce
03-21-2007, 10:16 PM
You don't know, Mueller does. Ask him about Duece and Ricky. Ask him what he got for Ricky later.

Someone has to make you a decent offer to be able to make a trade. Are both of you guys saying that if no one offers a trade we should let a prospect who could be a #1 pick in any other draft slip through our fingers?

Yes.

When the Saints drafted Ricky, they thought they were just a great running back away from being a Super Bowl contender. When that didn't pan out, Ditka was fired. Jim Haslet came in and started getting rid of almost everyone Ditka brought in and Ricky Williams was the poster child for the Ditka era.

When the Dolphins aquired about obtaining Ricky, Mueller jump at the chance. He was probably surprised that we agreed to his offer of two 1st round draft picks and accepted before we could change our minds.

VT Dolphan
03-21-2007, 11:02 PM
Yes.

When the Saints drafted Ricky, they thought they were just a great running back away from being a Super Bowl contender. When that didn't pan out, Ditka was fired. Jim Haslet came in and started getting rid of almost everyone Ditka brought in and Ricky Williams was the poster child for the Ditka era.

When the Dolphins aquired about obtaining Ricky, Mueller jump at the chance. He was probably surprised that we agreed to his offer of two 1st round draft picks and accepted before we could change our minds.

I'm sure it was a little more complicated than that. I doubt we just went "whoops, we didn't mean that" to which New Orleans responded "no take-backs"

Geforce
03-21-2007, 11:05 PM
I'm sure it was a little more complicated than that. I doubt we just went "whoops, we didn't mean that" to which New Orleans responded "no take-backs"

Are you forgetting who our head coach was at the time?

Just thinking about it makes me :boohoo:

VT Dolphan
03-21-2007, 11:08 PM
Are you forgetting who our head coach was at the time?

Just thinking about it makes me :boohoo:

true, the wannstache's incompetence knew few boundaries

Kdawg954
03-21-2007, 11:11 PM
If Peterson is available at 9, I'm sorry but Miami would have to consider taking him, just to have Buffalo/Green Bay or whoever trade up for him. And like someone else said . . . if worse comes to worse, we have one of the greatest runners ever to be in the draft on our roster. If AP could stay healthy he may have been the greatest college RB of all time (and this includes Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders . . . he was that good his freshman year). Yes its a big if, but hey . . . options, options. Man this draft is going to be exciting. Last year was boring with the early Mario Williams sigining, hopefully this year is better, and it should be.

miamiron
03-21-2007, 11:50 PM
I would definitely draft Peterson if no one offered to trade up for him.

I would not allow his value to pass us by simply because teams might call our bluff and say "You don't need a RB. He'll fall some more."

BS. I'd draft Peterson if no offers are being made and force one. Someone will eventually come calling for a guy that in any other draft would have probably been the 1st pick.

And what's the worst thing that can come out of us taking Peterson? Miami has 2 first round picks in the backfield? Remind you of any other team managed by Mueller? I'm sure you remember what someone gave up for one of those first round picks.



You ask what is the worst thing that could happen by drafting Peterson with our #9 and I think I may have the answer.

How about destroying your salary cap by investing upwards of 30 to 40 million dollars on two first round draft picks...Now if we didn't have to pay these players it would be a different case but in the NFL players get payed and payed very well!!!

wazzy
03-22-2007, 12:00 AM
I think depending on whats on the board and whats available to us at nine that if we don't see anyone that can step in and be an instant impact for us available we grab him and hope somebody trades us for him if not then we shop Ricky for anything!

Its a complicated situation and it would be a tough choice but I am sure someone would trade for him if we picked him! Probably Green Bay and we could grab like there second and pick Jarret at 16 who knows!

Myles Fynch
03-22-2007, 12:49 AM
Yes.

When the Saints drafted Ricky, they thought they were just a great running back away from being a Super Bowl contender. When that didn't pan out, Ditka was fired. Jim Haslet came in and started getting rid of almost everyone Ditka brought in and Ricky Williams was the poster child for the Ditka era.

When the Dolphins aquired about obtaining Ricky, Mueller jump at the chance. He was probably surprised that we agreed to his offer of two 1st round draft picks and accepted before we could change our minds.

I'm no apologist for the Wanny/Spielman administration... but we did not offer two number 1's for Ricky Williams flat out. RW had to rush for 1,500 in 2002 in order to trip the escalator that made the pick in 2003 a number one, as well.

In a sense, it was Wanny's "fault" that the second pick became a number one because he hamstrung our offense by betting the house on Fielder in the first place. Who could we have gotten if we still had our first rounder from 2003? A stud QB? An all-pro WR? We'll never know, because running Ricky into the ground was our best offensive option, and not having a decent backup didn't help matters any.

If Wanny had drafted a good QB in 2000 like I was screaming for him to do on draft day he would have been hitting his stride by 2002-2003, if not before. With a balanced attack and a JJ's defense, Ricky might have been the guy to put us over the top instead of being our only chance to win a @#$% game, and hence, rack up 1853 yards in his debut year for us.

Ricky also shares the blame in why the trade looks so bad in hindsight.

Quitting in 2004 and his suspensions for 4 games in 2005 and all of 2006 cost us 36 games. Shame on us if you will, but the talent was there. His last year with the Saints netted him 1200 yards and he appeared to be putting it all together. His teammates thought he was strange, but they had no questions about his toughness on the football field.

With all the love for Ricky on these boards right about now, it's safe to presume that most Dolphin fans think he would have done pretty well in those 36 games we were cheated out of. So even if you don't want to add "what could have been" yards to his total, he still had 5470 yards over his last two years with N.O. and first two with Miami. I see a back who was very much worth two number ones, if you have the makings of a solid team and feel he's the one player to push you over the crest of the hill. Barring, of course, serious injury or personal self destruction. We got the latter.

Having followed the daily scuttlebutt back and forth prior to the RW trade, I can tell you that Mueller didn't "jump at the chance" to fleece Miami out of two #1 picks. Those negotiations went on and on and on in painful fashion. Credit Mueller for smelling blood in the water and playing hardball with the much greener GM Spielman in negotiations, and the desperate Wanny lurking in the shadows pressuring Spielman to "git 'er done."

Bottom line: I blame the front office for having a crappy offense and an almost adequate QB to push Ricky over the 1500 yard threshold his first year, and then I blame Ricky himself for the debacle of the 36 games from 2004-2006 when he wasn't even on the field. But without the benefit of hindsight, I would have made the trade, too. And crossed my fingers.

I don't really care if he plays for us again or not, but if he does and he produces maybe all the talk of us being swindled in the Ricky trade will finally die.

Geforce
03-22-2007, 12:56 AM
If Peterson is available at 9, I'm sorry but Miami would have to consider taking him, just to have Buffalo/Green Bay or whoever trade up for him. And like someone else said . . . if worse comes to worse, we have one of the greatest runners ever to be in the draft on our roster. If AP could stay healthy he may have been the greatest college RB of all time (and this includes Bo Jackson and Barry Sanders . . . he was that good his freshman year). Yes its a big if, but hey . . . options, options. Man this draft is going to be exciting. Last year was boring with the early Mario Williams sigining, hopefully this year is better, and it should be.

That would be a fools move IMO. What if no one decides to trade up for him before they use their first round draft picks. Buffalo could say what wrong with the Dolphins, they draft the one position on offense they don't need. We'll draft Marshawn Lynch instead.

zach8111
03-22-2007, 01:00 AM
That would be a fools move IMO. What if no one decides to trade up for him before they use their first round draft picks. Buffalo could say what wrong with the Dolphins, they draft the one position on offense they don't need. We'll draft Marshawn Lynch instead.

thats why you propose the trade before they use their draft pick. and by the way, why would the dophins trade AP to their rival team, bills. that would only hurt them. i think the browns will take AP.