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NMUCats
03-23-2007, 03:18 PM
Up until this last week I still thought there was a great chance that Quinn would fall to #9, but I really believe Quinn will be snatched up by the Browns now. Now granted I'm not tight with Phil Savage, but I've been following both boards pretty much since the end of the collegiate season, and never have I seen more support for the Quinn pick than I do now. Keep in mind most Browns fans are Buckeye fans as well, who aren't very fond of ND, and the week after the Sugar Bowl 80-90% of the Browns' board was dead set against Quinn, but the fans have done a 180 on him since then. Here's my proof from a thread today:http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149#S=149&F=1767&T=292434 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149#S=149&F=1767&T=292434)

Like I said, it's all speculation and I don't know how Savage feels, but obviously the Browns' fans feel it is a strong possibility, because they've had a thread on Quinn basically every day for the last two weeks, including the one today. We shall see.

alen1
03-23-2007, 03:28 PM
we'r not getting quinn unfortunately. Savage announced other day that they will try to trade up with oakland so they can get russell and oakland can get CJ or they will just take quinn.He said he is not in love with peterson anymore and he said they like jamal lewis in the backfield.so that means they will take quinn cuz russell likely wont b there.sorry no link

Borat
03-23-2007, 04:11 PM
I remember reading somewhere that Savage has known Russell since he was young and would love for him to drop to them.

NMUCats
03-23-2007, 04:23 PM
Savage has made the impression that he is head over heels for Russel...it would be very interesting to see if it's a smokescreen or if he really is high on him. If he is, the best possible situation for the Dolphins would be for CJ to go #1, JT to go #2, and JR at #3. If that happens, there's an excellent chance of Quinn falling to #9.

Regan21286
03-23-2007, 06:02 PM
Savage really loves Russell. They go back 7 years and come from the same neighborhood. Sort of like a Dennis Green and Larry Fitzgerald type of connection. I would think if Russell and Quinn were still on the board, he would pick Russell so fast, the timer between picks would barely have started.

zach8111
03-23-2007, 06:21 PM
i would like to see where you guys are getting this info from, that he is in love with russel and not AP. if they werent gonna draft a runningback in the draft, dont you think that clev. would have signed lewis for more than one year. if savage is truly saying this, i think he is lying just like last year when he got an extra pick out of ravens.

Psychosikes
03-23-2007, 07:04 PM
The trade value for quinn/russel would be much higher than that of peterson right now. If they play their cards right, they could trade down to #7 or #9, grab some extra picks and still land peterson IF they make everyone believe they are without a doubt taking quinn/russel. This is pure speculation of course... maybe a little wishful thinking too :)

Frayser
03-23-2007, 07:17 PM
I'm really starting to think people should start to think that Detroit will take Quinn. Why wouldn't Martz want Quinn?

TexanPhinatic
03-23-2007, 07:22 PM
I think Savage is very high on Rusell, they HAVE been in cahoots for several years now and are from the same area. Not gonna bother looking it up, but there was at least one report in which Savage flatly said Russell would not fall past #3.
Nothing was ever said that Cleveland wasnt interested in AP, just stuff WAS said that they were interested in Russell. Prolly dont think Russell will fall however, unless oakland finds a QB so they can draft CJ.

Honestly, if Oakland CAN find a QB (CPep would be nice lol) and the Vikes sign a vet like Carr to compete with Jackson, Id say we have the inside track to Quinn. Though im worried by the Lions. I dont know why everyone has them taking Thomas, LT isnt a massive need for them. Anyway, I think the Houston moves have the ability to really shake things up and give us a good shot at Quinn.

zach8111
03-23-2007, 07:23 PM
I'm really starting to think people should start to think that Detroit will take Quinn. Why wouldn't Martz want Quinn?
they are the big team standing in our way. i think if we drop culpepper then the raiders will pick him up and reunit him and moss. then they can take calvin johnson. det will take one QB and clev will take AP and car goes to minn (cuz i dont think they want another young QB, they need a vet to teach jackson, the guy they are gonna stick with. they might go after bledsoe) leaving miami with the other QB. Quinn or russel would be great for miami

TexanPhinatic
03-23-2007, 07:25 PM
I'm really starting to think people should start to think that Detroit will take Quinn. Why wouldn't Martz want Quinn?

Agreed, they scare me more than anyone right now. I think they might go with Russell if the Raiders take CJ though-that big arm would be perfect for Martz's attack.

TexanPhinatic
03-23-2007, 07:27 PM
they are the big team standing in our way. i think if we drop culpepper then the raiders will pick him up and reunit him and moss. then they can take calvin johnson. det will take one QB and clev will take AP and car goes to minn (cuz i dont think they want another young QB, they need a vet to teach jackson, the guy they are gonna stick with. they might go after bledsoe) leaving miami with the other QB. Quinn or russel would be great for miami

IMO if CJ goes to Oakland, Moss is gone. Possibly Porter as well.

zach8111
03-23-2007, 07:31 PM
IMO if CJ goes to Oakland, Moss is gone. Possibly Porter as well.
why would they get ride of there best 2 WR. when they only get one?

TexanPhinatic
03-23-2007, 07:35 PM
why would they get ride of there best 2 WR. when they only get one?

Because both are *******s who dont care about helping the organization most likely, good move on their part. Would you want CJ the Beast to get infected by those 2 losers' bad attitudes? Not me.

If they can get some decent value they wont hesitate to pull the trigger.

zach8111
03-23-2007, 07:39 PM
Because both are *******s who dont care about helping the organization most likely, good move on their part. Would you want CJ the Beast to get infected by those 2 losers' bad attitudes? Not me.

If they can get some decent value they wont hesitate to pull the trigger.
they wont just release them (no way. they gave up too much for moss). anyway if they get a QB instead of the two pretend QBs they had last year, then they might actually try.

TexanPhinatic
03-23-2007, 07:42 PM
they wont just release them (no way. they gave up too much for moss). anyway if they get a QB instead of the two pretend QBs they had last year, then they might actually try.

Never said release, in fact i mentioned getting value back. Fact is, they have been somewhat looking to deal one or the other for awhile now, and with the draft ramping up, they figure to move at least one. And depending on the value they get, they could release both.

For instance, trade Moss to the Packers for Driver and a second or something (made that up off the top of my head) and draft CJ. Suddenly they have no need for Porter either, goodbye.

zach8111
03-23-2007, 07:48 PM
Never said release, in fact i mentioned getting value back. Fact is, they have been somewhat looking to deal one or the other for awhile now, and with the draft ramping up, they figure to move at least one. And depending on the value they get, they could release both.

For instance, trade Moss to the Packers for Driver and a second or something (made that up off the top of my head) and draft CJ. Suddenly they have no need for Porter either, goodbye.
the packers wouldnt get ride of there no.1 WR and a 2 for an underachieving Moss who they dont even know will even play hard again. i know you were just making it up in your head. there is noone in the NFL that would give oak as much value as they want for moss.

AZStryker
03-23-2007, 09:31 PM
Up until this last week I still thought there was a great chance that Quinn would fall to #9, but I really believe Quinn will be snatched up by the Browns now. Now granted I'm not tight with Phil Savage, but I've been following both boards pretty much since the end of the collegiate season, and never have I seen more support for the Quinn pick than I do now. Keep in mind most Browns fans are Buckeye fans as well, who aren't very fond of ND, and the week after the Sugar Bowl 80-90% of the Browns' board was dead set against Quinn, but the fans have done a 180 on him since then. Here's my proof from a thread today:http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149#S=149&F=1767&T=292434 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=149#S=149&F=1767&T=292434)

Like I said, it's all speculation and I don't know how Savage feels, but obviously the Browns' fans feel it is a strong possibility, because they've had a thread on Quinn basically every day for the last two weeks, including the one today. We shall see.

There is no way Cleveland should draft Quinn (even though they probably will). They have no veteran QB's on that team. It's the blind leading the blind. Crennel has 1 more year to get this heading in a positive direction or he's gone. They need player who can help then RIGHT NOW. That player is Adrian Petersen and they should already have a contract worked out with him if it didn't break the rules. Waiting should be a mere formality. If they do draft Quinn it's Romeo, Romeo where for art thou? Looking for a job is where he'll be.

NMUCats
03-23-2007, 10:07 PM
They could very well take Quinn as well, I'm just saying it's a moot point because I don't see Quinn falling past the Browns IF Jamarcus Russel is not there. If I had to guess, I'd say their top three players are

1) JR
2) BQ
3) AP

in that order. I don't think the Lions will take Joe Thomas either now that they have two competent tackles on the roster, just sayin that's the best chance for BQ to fall if in fact they go that route.

All in all, I guess it's fun to speculate but nobody really knows what's going to happen draft day. This is one of the most unpredictable drafts in awhile, because there are so many variables that could shape up the entire top 10. The picture will become a bit clearer once David Carr (or Aaron Rodgers) finds a home.

PJack
03-23-2007, 10:16 PM
I'd love to see Cleveland try to win with Lewis at RB and Charlie Frye at QB. Lewis has averaged 3.4 and 3.6 yrds per carry the last two years behind a Ravens line that was far better than what Cleveland has to offer. Peterson would be a better pick for Crennel as he would win games faster because Peterson makes people miss and would have immediate effect. That would help hide Frye. Quinn won't help them in year 1. However, it's pretty obvious Frye is not the answer for them so I wouldn't be shocked if they took Quinn if the Lions pass. Of course you never know what can happen but I've given up hope for a 1st round QB unless we move up.

ohiobryan
03-24-2007, 01:35 AM
no no no wrong.......the browns are going to draft what they need the most and that's runningback adrian peterson........lewis remember only signed a 1 year deal.......

Agent51
03-24-2007, 02:11 AM
I posted this as a reply in anothe thread earlier today, but I MEANT to make it a new topic of discussion. The thread I was reading inspired me to make the post about how I am worried about the Browns nabbing Quinn, but I hit "reply" by habbit instead of backing out and starting my own topic :lol:. Since that thread has moved to the 2nd page with no other responses after mine, and my post fits WAY better here, I am reposting it here:



Honestly, of all the teams ahead of us, Cleveland actually scares me the most in terms of taking Quinn.

Oakland will most-likely take Russell. If anything they take CJ and then pick up Culpepper/Green/Carr. Brady Quinn doesn't fit the Raider image/mentality, and he's not an Al Davis guy (aka SUPER overrated :lol:)

Detroit likes McCown, and Kitna is more than capable at QB, so they have 2 QBs, a veterent and a young guy, Quinn isn't a top need.

TB loves Calvin Johnson, and they don't need a QB anyway, they have Sims and Garcia and 37 other QBs on their roster.

The Cards have their franchise Qb in Matt Leinert so they aren't even an afterthought.

The 'Skins have Jason Campbell, who is a 1st rounder, so they don't need to invest ANOTHER 1st rounder in a QB.

The Vikings have Tavarius Jackson, whom they not only invested a 2nd-rounder but also traded up to get. He MAY not be the answer for them, but I can't see them spending a 1st rounder this year on a QB after spending that much last year, especially when Culpepper, Green, Carr are all on the market.

The Falcons have their franchise "QB" in Vick, so they don't need a QB.

The Browns however, they have me REALLY worried. For one, Crennell and Weis are good friends, so you know he has the most insider info on Quinn. They probably talk about him every single day. 2, they DO need a QB. RB may also be a a need, so Peterson IS an option, but they just signed Lewis so there is a temporary fix (and if he does good he could get a longer deal), and RB is MUCH easier to come by than QB. They could target Michael Bush in round 2 if they want a young RB, and still get Quinn in round 1. 3rd, Quinn is a "hometown hero". He grew up in Ohio, and was a Browns fan growing up (probably still is, it's just not wise to say that when 31 other teams could draft you). Drafting him would do for the browns what Vince Young WOULD have done for the Texans. Revive their fanbase and respark the interest and following, not to mention solve their QB problem.

All those reason are why they have me REALLY nervous and I would LOVE to move up to number 2 just to ease my mind, but I'm on the fence about what we'd have to give up and if I'm willing to invest that much in one guy. I also think if we move to #2 we take Quinn, not CJ. Yea, CJ is an amazing prospect, but we need a damn QB RIGHT NOW. No more signing late rounders or injured/washed up free agents. We need to invest in a damn young QB for the first time since Marino. Besides, Chambers is capable (as he has shown) if he just gets some routine and has one QB all year as opposed to QB musical chairs, and we just signed Az-Hakim (or however it goes), and we still have Booker who is adequate, plus Hagan, who has great potential. We could definately use another stud WR, but by no means is it a #2 overall pick priority.

NMUCats
03-24-2007, 03:16 PM
Great minds think alike Agent :wink: