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zach8111
03-24-2007, 08:36 PM
-we could get carr trade up with oakland for calvin johnson with 1,2a,booker, culpepper, 3rd rnd in next year draft (pretty close to equal).

-get green, cut/trade culpepper and draft qb in first.

-get carr, draft QB in 3-5 round. let him sit for few years.

there are many senerios and i hope we use one.

Agent51
03-24-2007, 11:49 PM
-we could get carr trade up with oakland for calvin johnson with 1,2a,booker, culpepper, 3rd rnd in next year draft (pretty close to equal).

-get green, cut/trade culpepper and draft qb in first.

-get carr, draft QB in 3-5 round. let him sit for few years.

there are many senerios and i hope we use one.

Woah woah woah, hold on there. First, signing Carr and giving up 3 picks (plus Booker and Culpepper) is not a good idea. We need too much help to give up that many picks. We'd need more than a 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year to move up 8 spots in round 1, even WITH players. Plus, Culpepper has been damaged goods for 2 years now and didn't exactly do anything last season to make teams think "oh, he's on the block? We HAVE to get him!" I just don't think swapping 1sts and giving our 2nd this year and 3rd next year is even close to enough, and I wouldn't give up any more than that to move up, even if it is Calvin Johnson (I wouldn't even do it for Quinn, who I want more than CJ).

2, This is the scenerio I am personaly hoping for (and to have that QB be Quinn, because I don't want anything to do with Russell)

3, This is a waste, because David Carr and Cleo Lemon won't be mentoring anyone, they still need mentoring themselves, so who would teach the 3rd-5th rounder?

Like I said before, the best scenerio for us (IMO) would be:

Sign Green (maybe even wait until he's released so we don't have to give up ANY picks, even if it is just a 7th-rounder) , Raiders take CJ, Lions take Russell (or switch Oakland and Detroit's choices), Browns sign Peterson, Vikings sign Carr, we draft Quinn, we trade Culpepper for an extra pick somewhere.

NorFlaFin
03-25-2007, 08:30 AM
Anybody notice Domique Davis-Williams was cut as well? I don't believe the Texans consider Ron Dayne to be their legit No.1 RB.

Kdawg954
03-25-2007, 08:41 AM
Anybody notice Domique Davis-Williams was cut as well? I don't believe the Texans consider Ron Dayne to be their legit No.1 RB.

They got Ahman Green, but they probably will eventually look for a future RB . . . I don't think it will be AP, but if he is there at 10, they may take a look. Hopefully we will have traded our pick to Green Bay, picked up there second and they get AP.

finfan54
03-25-2007, 09:52 AM
Woah woah woah, hold on there. First, drafting Carr and giving up 3 picks (plus Booker and Culpepper) is not a good idea. We need too much help to give up that many picks. We'd need more than a 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year to move up 8 spots in round 1, even WITH players. Plus, Culpepper has been damaged goods for 2 years now and didn't exactly do anything last season to make teams think "oh, he's on the block? We HAVE to get him!" I just don't think swapping 1sts and giving our 2nd this year and 3rd next year is even close to enough, and I wouldn't give up any more than that to move up, even if it is Calvin Johnson (I wouldn't even do it for Quinn, who I want more than CJ).

2, This is the scenerio I am personaly hoping for (and to have that QB be Quinn, because I don't want anything to do with Russell)

3, This is a waste, because David Carr and Cleo Lemon won't be mentoring anyone, they still need mentoring themselves, so who would teach the 3rd-5th rounder?

Like I said before, the best scenerio for us (IMO) would be:

Sign Green (maybe even wait until he's released so we don't have to give up ANY picks, even if it is just a 7th-rounder) , Raiders take CJ, Lions take Russell (or switch Oakland and Detroit's choices), Browns sign Peterson, Vikings sign Carr, we draft Quinn, we trade Culpepper for an extra pick somewhere.


I think this is what Mueller would like to have happen agent. And I would be very happy with that. KC wanted a fifth for Green and Muell says no way and then Carr comes on the scene and now we are interested in Carr maybe to get Minny to react, hopefully, but to have Carr in the end would no be a bad thing at all to me but DC would be gone regardless.

Vertical Limit
03-25-2007, 10:01 AM
Woah woah woah, hold on there. First, drafting Carr and giving up 3 picks (plus Booker and Culpepper) is not a good idea. We need too much help to give up that many picks. We'd need more than a 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year to move up 8 spots in round 1, even WITH players. Plus, Culpepper has been damaged goods for 2 years now and didn't exactly do anything last season to make teams think "oh, he's on the block? We HAVE to get him!" I just don't think swapping 1sts and giving our 2nd this year and 3rd next year is even close to enough, and I wouldn't give up any more than that to move up, even if it is Calvin Johnson (I wouldn't even do it for Quinn, who I want more than CJ).

2, This is the scenerio I am personaly hoping for (and to have that QB be Quinn, because I don't want anything to do with Russell)

3, This is a waste, because David Carr and Cleo Lemon won't be mentoring anyone, they still need mentoring themselves, so who would teach the 3rd-5th rounder?

Like I said before, the best scenerio for us (IMO) would be:

Sign Green (maybe even wait until he's released so we don't have to give up ANY picks, even if it is just a 7th-rounder) , Raiders take CJ, Lions take Russell (or switch Oakland and Detroit's choices), Browns sign Peterson, Vikings sign Carr, we draft Quinn, we trade Culpepper for an extra pick somewhere.
IMO, best case scenario would be we cut Daunte Culpepper, and then either Oakland, Detroit, or Cleveland bite on Culpepper.

David Carr ALSO bites on one of those three teams [leaving it to only 1 team who needs a QB].

We sign Trent Green and take one of the two top QB's at #9 [if needed, trade up].

phinsfan1221
03-25-2007, 10:13 AM
IMO, best case scenario would be we cut Daunte Culpepper, and then either Oakland, Detroit, or Cleveland bite on Culpepper.

David Carr ALSO bites on one of those three teams [leaving it to only 1 team who needs a QB].

We sign Trent Green and take one of the two top QB's at #9 [if needed, trade up].

wishfull thinking, but it could happen, i would celebrate this and i'm wishing too

Agent51
03-25-2007, 01:53 PM
IMO, best case scenario would be we cut Daunte Culpepper, and then either Oakland, Detroit, or Cleveland bite on Culpepper.

David Carr ALSO bites on one of those three teams [leaving it to only 1 team who needs a QB].

We sign Trent Green and take one of the two top QB's at #9 [if needed, trade up].

Yea, or if Oakland takes CJ and the Lions and Browns bite on Culpepper and Carr. That just leaves, potentiall, the Vikings, in which we could easily trade up to #6 for only our #60 pick (in addition to the 1st round swap) to not even give the Vikings a chance to take Quinn. I'm honestly not worried about Oakland and Quinn at all, it's just Detroit and Cleveland, so if they take Culpepper and Carr, or Russell and Carr, or some combo out of those 3, then we are golden.

Frayser
03-25-2007, 01:59 PM
I just don't see these scenarios as realistic at all. I think we sign Carr as a backup, keep Culpepper, and trade DOWN. We are not moving up for Calvin Johnson. This draft has too much talent in Rounds 2 and 3 for us to be giving up picks. If anything, we should be trying to get another pick in one of those rounds.

PhinsRDbest
03-25-2007, 01:59 PM
Woah woah woah, hold on there. First, drafting Carr and giving up 3 picks (plus Booker and Culpepper) is not a good idea. We need too much help to give up that many picks. We'd need more than a 2nd rounder this year and a 3rd next year to move up 8 spots in round 1, even WITH players. Plus, Culpepper has been damaged goods for 2 years now and didn't exactly do anything last season to make teams think "oh, he's on the block? We HAVE to get him!" I just don't think swapping 1sts and giving our 2nd this year and 3rd next year is even close to enough, and I wouldn't give up any more than that to move up, even if it is Calvin Johnson (I wouldn't even do it for Quinn, who I want more than CJ).

2, This is the scenerio I am personaly hoping for (and to have that QB be Quinn, because I don't want anything to do with Russell)

3, This is a waste, because David Carr and Cleo Lemon won't be mentoring anyone, they still need mentoring themselves, so who would teach the 3rd-5th rounder?

Like I said before, the best scenerio for us (IMO) would be:

Sign Green (maybe even wait until he's released so we don't have to give up ANY picks, even if it is just a 7th-rounder) , Raiders take CJ, Lions take Russell (or switch Oakland and Detroit's choices), Browns sign Peterson, Vikings sign Carr, we draft Quinn, we trade Culpepper for an extra pick somewhere.
I would be so pissed if the Dolphins drafted Carr at 9.:D

Agent51
03-25-2007, 03:00 PM
I would be so pissed if the Dolphins drafted Carr at 9.:D

oops, :lol:. I meant to type "signing" not "drafting". I fixed it.

retarmyfinfan
03-25-2007, 03:09 PM
-we could get carr trade up with oakland for calvin johnson with 1,2a,booker, culpepper, 3rd rnd in next year draft (pretty close to equal).

-get green, cut/trade culpepper and draft qb in first.

-get carr, draft QB in 3-5 round. let him sit for few years.

there are many senerios and i hope we use one.

Scratch option 1. I know CJ is awesome but we are not in a position to give up 3 picks and 2 players for him. If he was what was missing to take us to the big dance yes. But giving up 5 possible starters is downright ridicilous. We're in the position we're in because previous regimes traded away draft picks for 1 person. 1 person does not make a team. 1, 2a, and Booker should be starters, DC may make a comeback and a 3rd round pick should at least be contributor if not a starter. Superbowl teams are build through smart aquisitions not banking on 1 player to make or brake you.

finfan54
03-25-2007, 03:12 PM
for what its worth i thought he was talking about just getting Carr using the word Draft in its place.

Myles Fynch
03-25-2007, 03:39 PM
I just don't see these scenarios as realistic at all. I think we sign Carr as a backup, keep Culpepper, and trade DOWN. We are not moving up for Calvin Johnson. This draft has too much talent in Rounds 2 and 3 for us to be giving up picks. If anything, we should be trying to get another pick in one of those rounds.

I agree about needing more first day picks. The more prospects we can flood our training camp with the better.

DC, IMO, is untradeable. Until he plays again in a real game and plays well, he's just another former great player who may never again be what he once was. Best landing place for him would be as a backup in St. Louis (Linehan) so he can continue to rehab and attempt a comeback in 2008. Can't see Oakland giving much up since they need a definite starter not a "maybe."