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Lee2000
03-24-2007, 10:05 PM
Why? Because if you may remember Mueller said it would be. If you recall when asked about the draft and selecting based on need he referred to the Dolphins getting into trouble doing that in the past.
With that in mind, when you put a mock draft together think about how Miami will select players. They will likely go with the highest rated player on their board. With that in mind you have to wonder what positions will be addressed. You figure speed, you figure at least one OL, and you figure a QB. But remember, Mueller himself has said he will not draft based on need.

Lee2000

thomasdan15
03-25-2007, 06:08 AM
I think it's going to be best player available because we need help at every position except running back.

Nr. 54
03-25-2007, 06:29 AM
I hope so, because i hate it when the fins picking players merely for need and end up with busts like fletcher, moore, ...! But i´m pretty confident in the ability of Cameron and Randy to bring the fins in a good shape through the draft!

NorFlaFin
03-25-2007, 07:45 AM
I think Meuller has 2-4 positions as top tier needs. He'll fill those position based on the grades he assigned during his scouting/interviewing process. The other postion will be filled in much the same way.

The top tier I believe are (in no particular order) LT, DT, QB, WR.

phinsfan1221
03-25-2007, 09:57 AM
I think Meuller has 2-4 positions as top tier needs. He'll fill those position based on the grades he assigned during his scouting/interviewing process. The other postion will be filled in much the same way.

The top tier I believe are (in no particular order) LT, DT, QB, WR.

I would replace DT with a C or G

Gofish1331
03-25-2007, 10:33 AM
I think the list is shorter the other way, positions we are set at!! If the thought is to draft the best available player regardless of position than we really can't lose but, it will be several years of rebuilding before we can compete. I don't think Zack and JT can wait that long!?:(

Yessir
03-25-2007, 10:36 AM
With so many holes on this team, shoot, while the hell not..

finfan54
03-25-2007, 10:45 AM
Why? Because if you may remember Mueller said it would be. If you recall when asked about the draft and selecting based on need he referred to the Dolphins getting into trouble doing that in the past.
With that in mind, when you put a mock draft together think about how Miami will select players. They will likely go with the highest rated player on their board. With that in mind you have to wonder what positions will be addressed. You figure speed, you figure at least one OL, and you figure a QB. But remember, Mueller himself has said he will not draft based on need.

Lee2000


This is only true to a point, just as is any notion. Notice they said this, but also have said other things too. Its called politics and covering all your bases. I think MuellCam are trying to be as honest as they can be with us.

With that said, it is obvious that our Oline is being left off the FA market for a reason. We will build our Oline through the draft. WE will get a QB. We will have to score on our first four picks to have an impact (he also said this). So you are right about this, but to a point.

If you rank say like i do (hypothetically players who could be there at 9)


1.Quinn
2.Landry
3.Okoye
4. Brown

But we end up taking Brown when Landry is still on the board and Okoye because LT has higher value according to supply and demand markets (same with QB except moreso), then you take Brown because he fills a bigtime need and it works according to plan of drafting OL instead of through FA.

finfan54
03-25-2007, 10:49 AM
I think Meuller has 2-4 positions as top tier needs. He'll fill those position based on the grades he assigned during his scouting/interviewing process. The other postion will be filled in much the same way.

The top tier I believe are (in no particular order) LT, DT, QB, WR.


I think TE is a big deal for us. you better believe they are looking for a TE who can take Mcmicheals spot. Martin is not being looked at as THE answere although he certainly has the potential.

They have to justify that move since it was a costly one draft pick wise. Alot of people would disagree, but I think TE is a bigger need than WR in this draft.

fishypete
03-25-2007, 11:43 AM
I wouldn't over look a Corner....the Dolphins secondary got beat like a drum time after time last season....so L. Hall would look like a good selection at the 9th pick.

OneHondo
03-25-2007, 12:46 PM
Really if you think about it, there isn't a position out there that isn't a need for the Dolphins, including running back. RB is a good running back but RW is and will always remain a big ??? as long as he is a Dolphin. All of the reserves are all untried and unproven so they remain a big ??? Will the Dolphins take a running back if a player with high value falls in our lap?

taylormvp99
03-25-2007, 12:53 PM
There should be no defensive tackles taken in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft. It would be ridiculous. They have a ton of depth inside. Holliday, Traylor, Rod Wright, Manny Wright, and Evans. Give these young guys a shot. Rod Wright would have been a 1st round pick if he didn't get hurt. Manny Wright most likely would have been too if he didn't enter the supplemental draft.

DUB
03-25-2007, 02:14 PM
There should be no defensive tackles taken in the 1st 3 rounds of this draft. It would be ridiculous. They have a ton of depth inside. Holliday, Traylor, Rod Wright, Manny Wright, and Evans. Give these young guys a shot. Rod Wright would have been a 1st round pick if he didn't get hurt. Manny Wright most likely would have been too if he didn't enter the supplemental draft.

I believe it was the great Vanilla Ice that said it best, "Word to your mother".

Myles Fynch
03-25-2007, 03:27 PM
Miami has talent, but they are not so talented that they can afford to let a better player slip by them. I trust that Mueller & Cam understand that while the Dolphins can be improved in one year, they can't be "cured." So don't panic to fill a need, stick to your guns and get the best possible player with every pick.

I would rather have a stud QB or LT in round one given the choice, but I'll take a future pro-bowler at any position if that's how they feel the prospects sorted out. In the long term, we'll be a better team for it. But it does require patience.

YetanotherFan
03-25-2007, 03:51 PM
Miami has talent, but they are not so talented that they can afford to let a better player slip by them. I trust that Mueller & Cam understand that while the Dolphins can be improved in one year, they can't be "cured." So don't panic to fill a need, stick to your guns and get the best possible player with every pick.

I would rather have a stud QB or LT in round one given the choice, but I'll take a future pro-bowler at any position if that's how they feel the prospects sorted out. In the long term, we'll be a better team for it. But it does require patience.

Yeah this is true Myles and I hope our FO is thinking the same way.

Marino420TD
03-26-2007, 12:00 PM
I hope so, because i hate it when the fins picking players merely for need and end up with busts like fletcher, moore, ...! But i´m pretty confident in the ability of Cameron and Randy to bring the fins in a good shape through the draft!

The problem is that Fletcher and Moore were not really "need" picks. They were picked based more on a "BPA" mentality. We had 2 #1 CB's already (didn't need a CB), we needed offense badly in both cases, and Moore was projected as a back up/special teams guy his first year because we were set at LB. BPA mentality, just bad GM's picking bad players.

Going back farther, to the 80s, Shipp, Brophy, Hampton, Kumerow were more "need" picks. The Fins LB/RB's were decimated with injuries/deaths/etc in the early 80s and w/o free agency, and we selected for need. Got bad/marginal players, and it did not work.

The problem with "BPA" is that no one really knows who is good and who is not. Everyone has opinions (especially before the draft). A BPA mentality is fine, but in the end, whether by need or BPA, you have to select good players (which Fletcher and Moore were not).

Motion
03-26-2007, 12:04 PM
I'm down with BPA

Oboy
03-26-2007, 12:28 PM
I am totally comfortable with BPA. One question for you all to ponder...

What happens if Adrian Peterson is there when we pick? He'd definitely be BPA...

I'd personally hope for a minimal trade down for an extra pick, but it could be dangerous depending on who else is there...

alen1
03-26-2007, 02:38 PM
I wouldn't over look a Corner....the Dolphins secondary got beat like a drum time after time last season....so L. Hall would look like a good selection at the 9th pick.

i agree.... i like him, fast and a good cover corner

finner
03-26-2007, 04:18 PM
Here’s a an idea...

Get the “BPA” who just happens to fit our need profile!

#1 BPA need = OT (or QB)
#2 BPA need = C (or QB)
#3 BPA need = TE (or QB)
#4 BPA need = G
#5 BPA need = CB
#6 BPA need = ILB
#7 BPA need = a viable warm body!

As far as definitive QB --- CPep seems to be a [low percentage] “roll of the dice” at this point, but there’s still hope he could (???) regain his form, rediscover his chops, and blossom under Cam’s guidance. I for one see this as 50/50 at best!

This means we also fortify the position via Green and/or pickup Carr, or… Lemon is the incumbent winner. IMO these solutions all come with disclaimers, indicating we need a parallel strategy to solve our long term need by developing a drafted QB from this years crop.

Bottom line, I think we’ve got too many “needs” to solve in one draft --- though, as others would quickly point out, there are miracles from time to time and it’s possible (but NOT probable) we’re a SB team by week 3!

GCD960
03-26-2007, 07:38 PM
What if the BPA is a player that does not fit our system?

Like a cover 2 MLB or CB, an oline that is fit for a Denver OLine? What happens then?

I think BPA to an extent. It cannot be flatout BPA.

You take your positions of need and grade each player. The player from those groups with the highest grade. For Ex:


LB
Player 1- 2000 points
Player 2- 1850 points


RB
Player 1- 2100 points
Player 2- 1700 points

CB
Player 1- 2300 Points
Player 2- 2200 Points

etc......


You take CB Player 1

Hows that sound?

PJack
03-26-2007, 08:35 PM
The problem with "BPA" is that no one really knows who is good and who is not. Everyone has opinions (especially before the draft). A BPA mentality is fine, but in the end, whether by need or BPA, you have to select good players (which Fletcher and Moore were not).

No one really knows for certain whom is going to be good but a monkey could have told you than Eddie F'n Moore was bad pick and was nowhere near BPA at that point in the draft. Some people just have a much better judge of talent than others. I have much more faith in Mueller (and Cam at least on O) in judging talent than prior decision makers.

Frayser
03-26-2007, 09:00 PM
What if the BPA is a player that does not fit our system?

Like a cover 2 MLB or CB, an oline that is fit for a Denver OLine? What happens then?

Clearly BPA means "best player available for your team."

GCD960
03-27-2007, 08:18 AM
Clearly BPA means "best player available for your team."

what do you mean? i just figured it out so now everyone clearly knows that now.....