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Fin-omenal
03-28-2007, 05:45 PM
..get in touch with reality here and start to focus on the 4-5 guys we will probobly take and stop the trade up for Quinn garbage.

Were not gonna do anything stupid with this regime so I assume our draft picks will stay intact.

So the focus should be on Ginn,Brown,Okoye,Branch(hope not) and maybe Landry.

alen1
03-28-2007, 05:52 PM
hopefully ginn,landry or willis

Jaj
03-28-2007, 06:02 PM
More like 1. Ginn Jr. , 2. Levi Brown, 3. Adam Carriker, 4. Leon Hall or the best scenario a trade down.

Finsfan1984
03-28-2007, 06:19 PM
hopefully ginn,landry or willis
I think Willis is the best LB in the draft too...but, why would we use the #9 pick to get another LB when we have other needs, I just dont see it happening. But, I will say again, he's a great player IMO, and he really does have a great, and i do mean GREAT character.

Frayser
03-28-2007, 06:55 PM
1. Landry
2. Willis
3. Carriker
4. Revis
5. Ginn Jr.
6. Brown

Stitches
03-28-2007, 07:06 PM
More like 1. Ginn Jr. , 2. Levi Brown, 3. Adam Carriker, 4. Leon Hall or the best scenario a trade down.

I think Willis would be #5, and Olsen and Meacham at #6 and #7. (Obviously trade down would be up there too)

JT#1
03-28-2007, 07:26 PM
1. Landry
2. Willis
3. Carriker
4. Revis
5. Ginn Jr.
6. Brown

Landry will probly get drafted by the falcons, LB is the least of our concerns, and as for 3 and 4 i haven't even heard of these guys in the top 15 let alone top 10, Levi brown or Ted ginn are probly the 2 guys we can get with our pick, and Cam and Randy have already said they probly aren't gonna take a LT with our 1st rounder,

Frayser
03-28-2007, 08:16 PM
Landry will probly get drafted by the falcons, LB is the least of our concerns, and as for 3 and 4 i haven't even heard of these guys in the top 15 let alone top 10, Levi brown or Ted ginn are probly the 2 guys we can get with our pick, and Cam and Randy have already said they probly aren't gonna take a LT with our 1st rounder,

Carriker has been in the Top 10 on several mocks, and Revis is climbing fast now that people realize he is just about even with Hall. I'm also not sure how LB is the least of our concerns considering three of our starting four are all over 30. An injury here . . . a retirement there . . . and all of a sudden the strength of this team becomes a real weakness. LB just may be the most important position on this team. Just look at the Patriots.

colmax
03-28-2007, 08:47 PM
I have heard great things about Carriker, but does he really fit our D? I'm not asking sarcastically. I really do not know. I thought I might've heard somewhere (here or NFL Sirius) that he's not a good fit for Miami's D. Anyone know for sure?

**I do not want measurables, I want style of player, etc.**

VT Dolphan
03-28-2007, 08:55 PM
I'm not crazy about any of the guys that are supposed to be there at nine. All of them have pretty major downsides with them. I guess my order at this point would probably be Landry, Ginn, Branch.

I'd prefer to trade down to middle of the first round and hopefully get either Joe Staley, Ryan Kalil or Robert Meachem.

JT#1
03-28-2007, 08:59 PM
Carriker has been in the Top 10 on several mocks, and Revis is climbing fast now that people realize he is just about even with Hall. I'm also not sure how LB is the least of our concerns considering three of our starting four are all over 30. An injury here . . . a retirement there . . . and all of a sudden the strength of this team becomes a real weakness. LB just may be the most important position on this team. Just look at the Patriots.

We had the #4 defense in the league last year, we didn't lose because of defense, we lost on the offensive side of the ball, i wouldn't be destroyed if we took a a defensive player but personally, i don't think they will make as much of an impact for this team than an offensive player. As for depth, you can get that in the later rounds of the draft, we need impact players on offense NOW wether that be a franchise LT(levi brown) a speedy reciever(ted ginn) or if he drops a quaterback(quinn). Jumping from #4 to say #2 and still having around the same offense isn't that huge of a jump, but still being #4-#5 and going up 3-5 spots on offense is

Frayser
03-28-2007, 09:09 PM
I have heard great things about Carriker, but does he really fit our D? I'm not asking sarcastically. I really do not know. I thought I might've heard somewhere (here or NFL Sirius) that he's not a good fit for Miami's D. Anyone know for sure?

**I do not want measurables, I want style of player, etc.**

Carriker is 300lbs and can play DT/DE in a 4-3 but would also make a great DE in a 3-4. He has been compared to Richard Seymour as far as the position (although it is a stretch to say he has the same ability). He would fit our defense very well.

Frayser
03-28-2007, 09:14 PM
We had the #4 defense in the league last year, we didn't lose because of defense, we lost on the offensive side of the ball, i wouldn't be destroyed if we took a a defensive player but personally, i don't think they will make as much of an impact for this team than an offensive player. As for depth, you can get that in the later rounds of the draft, we need impact players on offense NOW wether that be a franchise LT(levi brown) a speedy reciever(ted ginn) or if he drops a quaterback(quinn). Jumping from #4 to say #2 and still having around the same offense isn't that huge of a jump, but still being #4-#5 and going up 3-5 spots on offense is

No offense, but you are thinking extremely one dimensionally. It is likely that five of the eight picks in front of us will be offensive players. Any offensive player we could take at #9 would be a reach, in my opinion.

Not many people think Levi Brown can be a "franchise LT." Ginn Jr. is a reach at #9 although plenty of people on this board will tell you he is still worth it. Quinn will likely be gone.

The defense can help the offense. As good as our defense was, we were second to last in interceptions and didn't necessarily do a great job of giving our offense a short field. We had 8 interceptions last year. That's right. EIGHT. And three of those were by LBs. Taking a quality defensive back would in no way be a waste and would also serve to help the offense.

JT#1
03-28-2007, 09:26 PM
No offense, but you are thinking extremely one dimensionally. It is likely that five of the eight picks in front of us will be offensive players. Any offensive player we could take at #9 would be a reach, in my opinion.

Not many people think Levi Brown can be a "franchise LT." Ginn Jr. is a reach at #9 although plenty of people on this board will tell you he is still worth it. Quinn will likely be gone.

The defense can help the offense. As good as our defense was, we were second to last in interceptions and didn't necessarily do a great job of giving our offense a short field. We had 8 interceptions last year. That's right. EIGHT. And three of those were by LBs. Taking a quality defensive back would in no way be a waste and would also serve to help the offense.
No where did i say it would be a bad choice to go defense with our first pick, i was just saying that an impact player on offense would help this team more than one on defense, i think hall is going to be a geat corner in this league and i wouldn't be angry if we took him but IMO Ginn Jr, who will give Cam a huge weapon on offense(15 Td receiving,3 rushing,8 ST,and 1passing in Ohio state) , Levi brown, who will improve a less than solid O line, will probly impact the team more.

Danny
03-28-2007, 10:38 PM
I just think that Ginn would have the biggest impact for us....he'd help the offence, the special teams and the defence too by helping us get good field position....he's the one I hope we draft with our top pick.

Ozzy rules!!

Dolfan11
03-28-2007, 11:02 PM
I think trading up for any player other than Calvin Johnson is not worth it. I would rather hope for Adrian Peterson to fall to us, so we can trade out of it to the many suitors who would take him. Could it happen?

1. Raiders - Jamarcus Russell
2. Lions - Joe Thomas
3. Browns - Brady Quinn
4. Bucs - Calvin Johnson
5. Cardinals - Levi Brown
6. Redskins - Gaines Adams
7. Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
8. Falcons - LaRon Landry

TexanPhinatic
03-28-2007, 11:45 PM
No offense, but you are thinking extremely one dimensionally. It is likely that five of the eight picks in front of us will be offensive players. Any offensive player we could take at #9 would be a reach, in my opinion.

Not many people think Levi Brown can be a "franchise LT." Ginn Jr. is a reach at #9 although plenty of people on this board will tell you he is still worth it. Quinn will likely be gone.

The defense can help the offense. As good as our defense was, we were second to last in interceptions and didn't necessarily do a great job of giving our offense a short field. We had 8 interceptions last year. That's right. EIGHT. And three of those were by LBs. Taking a quality defensive back would in no way be a waste and would also serve to help the offense.

We are thinking one dimensionally? As opposed to your determination to take defense? Despite us having 2-3 years to fix it? Despite having one of the worst offenses in the league? Umm ...
We NEED offense, its a must! Sorry, but the D is about at its limit as far as helping the offense. It singlehandedly WON that bears game. How much more can you seriously expect it to do? Will the addition of Landry give us THAT many more points that we can still neglect our offense? I think not. Besided, if you think Ginn is a reach at 9 and not Revis for instance, your crazy. Landry and maybe Nelson are the only DBs remotely worth the #9.

Ginn is the playmaker that this offense has craved for a long time. He will instantly upgrade ST by a TON, and will force other teams to respect our deep throws and his speed, open up the middle for chambers, take heat off the running game and OLine. Perfect fit for us. Can be a playmaker in the mold of Barry Sanders-just a one of a kind player.

Not a fan of brown, agree with your comment there. Willis would make us sit Channing for a year or trade Zach (have you read the rumors?) and will be a force, but at a price.

IMO-Quinn is #1 target but I know he wont fall, still doesnt keep me from hoping, but anyway ...
1. Ginn
2. Willis
3. Landry/Nelson
4. Brown
5. Okoye/Branch
6. Revis/Hall

And I hate talking trade down (to hard to predict and a rarity) but should Peterson drop ...

TexanPhinatic
03-28-2007, 11:48 PM
I think trading up for any player other than Calvin Johnson is not worth it. I would rather hope for Adrian Peterson to fall to us, so we can trade out of it to the many suitors who would take him. Could it happen?

1. Raiders - Jamarcus Russell
2. Lions - Joe Thomas
3. Browns - Brady Quinn
4. Bucs - Calvin Johnson
5. Cardinals - Levi Brown
6. Redskins - Gaines Adams
7. Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
8. Falcons - LaRon Landry

1. Raiders - Calvin Johnson
2. Lions - Brady Quinn
3. Browns - Adrian Peterson
4. Bucs - Joe Thomas
5. Cardinals - Gaines Adams
6. Redskins - Alan Branch
7. Vikings - Laron Landry
8. Falcons - Adam Carriker

Mocking is fun, im still working on the 10+ :D

Phanatical
03-28-2007, 11:49 PM
..get in touch with reality here and start to focus on the 4-5 guys we will probobly take and stop the trade up for Quinn garbage.

Were not gonna do anything stupid with this regime so I assume our draft picks will stay intact.

So the focus should be on Ginn,Brown,Okoye,Branch(hope not) and maybe Landry.

We might not have to trade up for Quinn, he might still be there at 9. If not then they should look at Levi Brown. Ginn, heck no. Out of 32 mocks by the "experts", not even one selected Ginn.

http://phinfever.com/phinfever_NFLdraft_accumulativemocks.html

JT#1
03-28-2007, 11:51 PM
We might not have to trade up for Quinn, he might still be there at 9. If not then they should look at Levi Brown. Ginn, heck no. Out of 32 mocks by the "experts", not even one selected Ginn.

http://phinfever.com/phinfever_NFLdraft_accumulativemocks.html

Wait till he runs his 40, i can garentee you after he lights it up he is gonna fly up faster than a rocket.

AZStryker
03-28-2007, 11:52 PM
I think trading up for any player other than Calvin Johnson is not worth it. I would rather hope for Adrian Peterson to fall to us, so we can trade out of it to the many suitors who would take him. Could it happen?

1. Raiders - Jamarcus Russell
2. Lions - Joe Thomas
3. Browns - Brady Quinn
4. Bucs - Calvin Johnson
5. Cardinals - Levi Brown
6. Redskins - Gaines Adams
7. Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
8. Falcons - LaRon Landry

The Browns are NOT taking Quinn. It's the lions or us. It's all a smokescreen and they will draft Peterson, who is the smart and right choice for them.

That said, if Peterson fell, we should take him in a heart beat. Ronnie is a stud, but the combo would be lethal due to the recieving abilities of both backs and the inside/outside attack possibilities. For those Ginn lovers, tell me this, who is the better player?? If you don't say Peterson without the doubt then that must be Marge and Bart calling you.

Phanatical
03-28-2007, 11:53 PM
Wait till he runs his 40, i can garentee you after he lights it up he is gonna fly up faster than a rocket.

Actually, he's been falling fast....

JT#1
03-28-2007, 11:55 PM
Actually, he's been falling fast....

Thats because he hasn't ran his 40

Phanatical
03-28-2007, 11:59 PM
Thats because he hasn't ran his 40

I think everyone already knows hes fast, but this isn't track. :evil:

JT#1
03-29-2007, 12:06 AM
I think everyone already knows hes fast, but this isn't track. :evil:

Scouts wanna see that the ankle injury hasn't hampered him any, which is the big reason why he has fallen, due to his not running at the combine or pro day and other receivers like mechem(sp?)putting up good times.

TexanPhinatic
03-29-2007, 12:13 AM
I think everyone already knows hes fast, but this isn't track. :evil:

But the dropoff from track to pads with Ginn is much lower than other recievers. He just plays at a higher gear-go watch him. Peterson is a bruiser, but talk about injury concerns ...

Drafting Peterson is joke BTW, waste of a pick. We could get way more trading off with GB or someone if he falls that far. But he wont, and neither will Quinn.

JT#1
03-29-2007, 12:15 AM
But the dropoff from track to pads with Ginn is much lower than other recievers. He just plays at a higher gear-go watch him. Peterson is a bruiser, but talk about injury concerns ...

Drafting Peterson is joke BTW, waste of a pick. We could get way more trading off with GB or someone if he falls that far. But he wont, and neither will Quinn.
True, watching clips of him playing, its like everyone else is in slow motion or in quick sand.

RichmondWeb
03-29-2007, 11:42 PM
Willis would be an intriguing pick, not because we need LB depth (we do), but because Buffalo HAS to have him now. We could pluck Willis and trade him to the Bills, Panthers, Rams, or Lions for more picks. Similiar to the AP scenario only Willis will be there and more teams want him. We can address LB depth later.

RW