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Lee2000
03-29-2007, 05:54 PM
lack of depth at various positions on the team. Your plan can include draftees or free agents. Some positions are obviously in need, such as OL. But assess all positions and submit a plan of action (can include trades). Many of us act like we are general managers. Well, put your plan to the test.

Lee2000

Rich22
03-29-2007, 06:27 PM
QB-Easy for me because it's not my system but I would give Carr a 2 yr deal incentive laden that protects him if he becomes the starter. He doesn't cost a draft pick and can compete with C-Pep in camp. I look to draft Stanton if at all possible in the 2nd rd. C-Pep isn't the starter he gets traded for pick next year or cut. Unless they can do a draft day deal with the Raiders for a pick this year.

QB- unless Quinn falls I say Stanton in 2nd or someone later in draft. This is Mueller's specialty so I expect a pick to be used on QB.
RB - mid rd pick used on rb position. If they get RW back - great but we need to draft a backup.
FB - all set there unless someone falls in draft or FA
TE - all set there unless someone falls in draft or FA
OL - we need a dominant center! #1 need IMO even over LT. Hadnot is not dominant. Kalil prob not there in 2nd rd. Maybe FA pickup with June cuts. We need to spend a pick or two on the OL but NOT in the 1st rd.
WR - we need a burner in the draft. 2nd or 3rd rd pick if someone falls.

DL - 1st rd pick if NT is there we want like Branch or the young kid.
DE - maybe mid rd pick to start to groom.
DB - if we don't go NT I say get best DB like Hall if there in 1st rd.
Safety - all set there unless someone falls in draft or FA
LB -definitely need help in draft here. We don't have a good record of success at LB over the years.

I wouldn't discount a trade for an OL guy at some point. Especially for a center! That would be my guess for an upgrade approach because there isn't much in FA unless there is someone released down the road.

NoblePhin
03-29-2007, 06:34 PM
Draft-
1. Laron Landry
2. Joe Staley
2a Steve Smith
3 Kevin Kolb
4. Lorenzo Booker/ LB prospect that i have no clue about
6. Project OL
7. TE
7. LB

FA
Matt Lehr- Compete at center/LG. (more for Center)
Gandy or R Brown for a 1yr stop gap for competition
David Carr
thats it for now imma have to do more research on whats still out there FA wise

RoninFin4
03-29-2007, 06:43 PM
Sign either Cooper Carlisle or Matt Lehr via free agency. I'm going to assume Ricky's coming back, he's effective, and very affordable. And I'll trade a 7th to KC for Trent Green. I'll also assume the second 6th rounder doesn't happen seeing as how we can't locate a 6'4" 340 Big Daddy.

Draft option 1. Trade 9th overall, 40th overall to Detroit for 2nd overall and select Brady Quinn.

Draft option 2. Stand pat at 9th overall and take Ted Ginn Jr.

Going with option 1, I draft the rest of the following:

2. Jonathan Wade
3. Doug Datish
4. Jacoby Jones
6. Kasey Studdard
7. Desmond Bishop

or Option Two.

2. Joe Staley
2. Drew Stanton
3. Eric Wright
4. Enoka Lucas
6. Zach Latimer
7. Dane Uperesa

This would then be my ideal depth chart (going with option 1 - my personal preference)

QB Green, Quinn, Lemon
RB Brown, Ricky, Germaine Race (UDFA)
FB Schlesinger, Eckel
WR Chambers, Jones, Hakim
WR Booker, Hagan, Vick - Kelly Campbell to Practice Squad
TE Martin, Peelle, Rader/Massaquoi
LT Alabi/Shelton - TC battle
LG Carlisle, Studdard
C Datish
RG Hadnot, Toledo
RT Carey, loser of Alabi/Shelton battle

OE Taylor, A. Gbaja-Biamila
DT Holliday, M. Wright, Vickerson
NT Traylor, Evans
DE Roth, R. Wright
LB Crowder, Pope
LB Thomas, Warren
LB Porter, Maxwell
CB Wade, Daniels, Lehan
FS J. Allen/Hill battle, loser is backup
SS Bell, Worrell
CB W. Allen, Goodman

K Feely
P D. Jones
LS Denney
KR Hakim
PR Vick

JC
03-29-2007, 07:02 PM
don't get carr, don't get green, get brady quinn by trading up and we have a franchise quarterback for the next 10 years

zach8111
03-29-2007, 07:04 PM
Sign either Cooper Carlisle or Matt Lehr via free agency. I'm going to assume Ricky's coming back, he's effective, and very affordable. And I'll trade a 7th to KC for Trent Green. I'll also assume the second 6th rounder doesn't happen seeing as how we can't locate a 6'4" 340 Big Daddy.

Draft option 1. Trade 9th overall, 40th overall to Detroit for 2nd overall and select Brady Quinn.

Draft option 2. Stand pat at 9th overall and take Ted Ginn Jr.

Going with option 1, I draft the rest of the following:

2. Jonathan Wade
3. Doug Datish
4. Jacoby Jones
6. Kasey Studdard
7. Desmond Bishop

or Option Two.

2. Joe Staley
2. Drew Stanton
3. Eric Wright
4. Enoka Lucas
6. Zach Latimer
7. Dane Uperesa

This would then be my ideal depth chart (going with option 1 - my personal preference)

QB Green, Quinn, Lemon
RB Brown, Ricky, Germaine Race (UDFA)
FB Schlesinger, Eckel
WR Chambers, Jones, Hakim
WR Booker, Hagan, Vick - Kelly Campbell to Practice Squad
TE Martin, Peelle, Rader/Massaquoi
LT Alabi/Shelton - TC battle
LG Carlisle, Studdard
C Datish
RG Hadnot, Toledo
RT Carey, loser of Alabi/Shelton battle

OE Taylor, A. Gbaja-Biamila
DT Holliday, M. Wright, Vickerson
NT Traylor, Evans
DE Roth, R. Wright
LB Crowder, Pope
LB Thomas, Warren
LB Porter, Maxwell
CB Wade, Daniels, Lehan
FS J. Allen/Hill battle, loser is backup
SS Bell, Worrell
CB W. Allen, Goodman

K Feely
P D. Jones
LS Denney
KR Hakim
PR Vick
i like this one but you would have to give up more than #9 and #40 for the #2 pick. and i would also like a WR in the draft. one like meachem or jarrett or ginn if they fall. but it looks like ginn fell buit is on his way back up. jarrett is gonna fall with his 4.6 40. it looks like meachem will be taken by one of the later first round picks, like chargers, KC.

PhinGeneral
03-29-2007, 07:10 PM
If they keep the #9 pick, then get the best possible player that fills a need. It doesn't have to be a major need, but any possible area of weakness.

Look for sliding value with the 2nd and 3rd round picks. If it's an offensive lineman all the better, but I wouldn't handcuff myself to that. This team could use help in a lot of places.

Look for good offensive lineman projects, QB projects and WR's in rounds 4-7 if you haven't gone there already. These are rounds where you can reach a bit if necessary.

Look for depth near the end of free agency and through training camp. We could find some useful veterans at a good price. We've let go of so many players I'm not sure how good our depth will be this coming year, but then again I wouldn't expect to cure all our ills in one offseason either.

eomdtbtr
03-29-2007, 07:15 PM
Draft option #1
*trade our 40th along with the 9th for detroit's second
1st: Quinn
2nd: Brian Robinson
3rd: samson satale
4th: ryan harris
5th: mlb
6th: qb ( i couldn't resist)
7th: cb

eomdtbtr
03-29-2007, 07:17 PM
I forgot to add to throw in cpep ( in the detroit trade) , then trade a sixth or seventh for green.

NathanHunt
03-29-2007, 07:31 PM
Well, I'm gonna focus more on position in after Round 2. As I must confess, I'm not too versed on much talent outside of the top guys. Keep in mind, most of my "guys" are driven by my draft plan by position.

Round 1 - Levi Brown LT
Round 2a - Justin Blalock LG
Round 2b - Samson Satele C
Round 3 - DT (Paul Soliai)
Round 4 - QB (Jared Zabransky or Jeff Rowe)
Round 6 - CB
Round 7a - RB
Round 7b - DE

EDIT: As you can see, I solely intend on solving our long term OLine problems in one draft. It's time we stopped playing around with this problem. It must be solved before we do anything else.. in my mind.

Fawn Lebowitz
03-29-2007, 07:33 PM
I forgot to add to throw in cpep ( in the detroit trade) , then trade a sixth or seventh for green. Who in their right mind would trade for Daunte FumblePepper? Face it, the Fins were stupid to sign him in the first place. Drew Brees looks like a pretty good pick up now.:sidelol:

Vertical Limit
03-29-2007, 07:37 PM
Who in their right mind would trade for Daunte FumblePepper? Face it, the Fins were stupid to sign him in the first place. Drew Brees looks like a pretty good pick up now.:sidelol:
He has looked like a pretty good pick up since the year he entered the NFL draft, yet we passed on him not ONCE, but TWICE.

Vertical Limit
03-29-2007, 07:38 PM
I forgot to add to throw in cpep ( in the detroit trade) , then trade a sixth or seventh for green.
I think there was something said last offseason about Mike Martz not liking Culpepper.

Rich22
03-29-2007, 07:59 PM
Who in their right mind would trade for Daunte FumblePepper? Face it, the Fins were stupid to sign him in the first place. Drew Brees looks like a pretty good pick up now.:sidelol:

If he was on your team back in '04 you wouldn't mind him! I think we sent a draft pick for a guy named Feeley. 2nd rder right? I'm not a C-Pep fan but at the time all of the analysts thought he would put Miami over the top. The only people calling that trade stupid are doing it now as a MMQB. At the time getting a pro bowl QB for a 2nd was great value even though he had the injury.

RoninFin4
03-29-2007, 08:01 PM
i like this one but you would have to give up more than #9 and #40 for the #2 pick. and i would also like a WR in the draft. one like meachem or jarrett or ginn if they fall. but it looks like ginn fell buit is on his way back up. jarrett is gonna fall with his 4.6 40. it looks like meachem will be taken by one of the later first round picks, like chargers, KC.


I have us drafting Jacoby Jones a WR out of Lane. There's probably another late round pick involved in the Detroit deal, you're right about that.

Kinzua
03-29-2007, 08:13 PM
Well, I'm gonna focus more on position in after Round 2. As I must confess, I'm not too versed on much talent outside of the top guys. Keep in mind, most of my "guys" are driven by my draft plan by position.

Round 1 - Levi Brown LT
Round 2a - Justin Blalock LG
Round 2b - Samson Satele C
Round 3 - DT (Paul Soliai)
Round 4 - QB (Jared Zabransky or Jeff Rowe)
Round 6 - CB
Round 7a - RB
Round 7b - DE

EDIT: As you can see, I solely intend on solving our long term OLine problems in one draft. It's time we stopped playing around with this problem. It must be solved before we do anything else.. in my mind.

:up:

Fix the OL or it won't matter who your QB is.

Why is David Carr a FA? Because the Texans have never addressed their OL ... Schaub isn't going to do squat without some protection, either!

In 2005, the Jets OL stunk and the team went through 3 or 4 QBs in a single season. They drafted D'Brickashaw with their first #1 and went back and got Mangold with their second #1. Not only was Chad able to play an entire season, the Jets won 10 games and went to the playoffs with a shoddy D and 2nd rate RBs.

Why have neither Buffalo nor Miami made the play offs in the last 5 years despite having top defenses at times? Their offenses couldn't sustain drives, couldn't score in the red zone, couldn't score consistently -- because both teams neglected the OL and it hurt both the running and passing games!

The defense forces and recovers a fumble at the opponent's 25 and 3 downs later, the offense is at the 19 or the 18 and they gotta kick a FG! Been there, done that too many times.

The Bills fixed their OL through the free agency because they had the money. The Fins need to fix theirs.

RealDriscoll
03-29-2007, 08:14 PM
Finish in Free Agency by signing G Cooper Carlisle and QB David Carr

Draft:

Trade 1st Rounder (#9) to GB for #16(1st Round) and #47(2nd ROund)

1st(16)-Greg Olsen TE Miami
2nd(40)-Justin Blalock G Texas
2nd(47)-Marcus Thomas DT Florida
2nd(60)-Marcus McCauley CB Fresno State
3rd: Lamarr Woodley DE/OLB Michigan
4th: Zak DeOssie LB Brown
6th: Adam Koets T Oregon State
7th: Garrette Wolfe RB Northern Illinois
7th: Brandon Myles WR West Virginia

QB:
QB: Daunte Culpepper/David Carr/Cleo Lemon/
RB: Ronnie Brown/Ricky Williams/ Garrette Wolfe
FB: Cory Schlesinger/Kyle Eckel
TE: Greg Olsen/David Martin/Justin Peele
T: LJ Shelton/Anthony Alabi
G: Justin Blalock/Chris Lewinski
C: Rex Hadnot
G: Cooper Carlisle/Joe Toldeo
T: Vernon Carey/Adam Koets
WR: Chris Chambers/ Marcus Vick/ Brandon Myles
WR: Marty Booker/Derek Hagan/ AZ Hakim/
P- Donnie Jones
K- Jay Feeley
DE: Jason Taylor/ Lamarr Woodley
DE: Matt Roth/Kevin Vickerson
DT: Keith Traylor/ Fred Evans/Rodrique Wright
DT: Vonnie Holliday/ Marcus Thomas
LB: Zach Thomas/ Derrick pope
LB: Channing Crowder/James Maxwell
LB: Joey Porter/ Zak DeOssie
CB: Marcus McCauley/Andre Goodman
CB: Will Allen/ Travis Daniels/ Mike Lehan
S: Jason Allen/ Renaldo Hill
S: Yeremiah Bell
LS: John Denney

Dolfan11
03-29-2007, 09:19 PM
Trade our #9 pick for Green Bay's #16 and #47, they then select Adrian Peterson.

Round 1 #16 - Leon Hall CB
Round 2 #40 - Tony Ugoh OT
Round 2 #47 - Sidney Rice WR
Round 2 #60 - Trent Edwards QB
Round 3 #71 - Ben Patrick TE
Round 4 #104 - Andy Alleman OG

Next 3 picks BPA

Regan21286
03-29-2007, 10:00 PM
lack of depth at various positions on the team. Your plan can include draftees or free agents. Some positions are obviously in need, such as OL. But assess all positions and submit a plan of action (can include trades). Many of us act like we are general managers. Well, put your plan to the test.

Lee2000

Plan 1: Trade 9th pick, 60th pick, a conditional to Washington/Chicago should Brady Quinn fall to their spot and draft him.
(6) overall: Brady Quinn- The prototypical elite franchise QB.
(40): Sidney Rice- A nice endzone WR who gets separation and just makes the catch, but if Joe Staley lands here after a Levi Brown domino effect, then Staley goes here.
(71): Samson Satele- Nasty driven guy who can play center or guard in the future.
(108): Jonathan Wade- Fast guy who has all the tools, just needs the coaching.
(181): Paul Soliai- Widebody NT would become the only true NT on our team who isn't ready to be fossilized.
(219): Justin Hickman- Undersized DE who just gets to a QB and can play OLB, sound familiar?
(238): Brandon Frye- Project LT who needs a few years to develop.
UDFA's: Brandon Myles, Brian Smith, Elliot Vallejo
FA's: Cooper Carlisle, Erron Kinney, Trent Green

Plan 2: Brady Quinn available at the 9
(9): Brady Quinn- Duh.
(40): Joe Staley- Better LT prospect than Levi Brown right now
(60): Ben Patrick- Underrated TE who has all the tools to succeed
(71): Zak DeOssie- Zach Thomas heart and mentality in a real LB's body, no wonder Belichick loves his kid. Would love to tick Belichick off by getting him.
(108): Jonathan Wade- Fast guy who has all the tools, just needs the coaching.
(181): Paul Soliai- Widebody NT would become the only true NT on our team who isn't ready to be fossilized.
(219): Justin Hickman- Undersized DE who just gets to a QB and can play OLB, sound familiar?
(238): Brandon Myles - My pick for the Marquis Colston 7th round breakout award who broke out in Senior Bowl.
UDFA's: Brian Smith, Elliot Vallejo, Courtney Brown
FA's: Cooper Carlisle, Erron Kinney, Trent Green

Plan 3: Quinn not available
(9): Alan Branch- Landry may be gone and Brown's not worth this spot. A real reach though probably able to be justified down the road is Staley. Branch is a big fat NT who can stuff the run to let Porter and Zach run wild.
(40): Joe Staley- Better LT prospect than Levi Brown right now
(60): Ben Patrick- Underrated TE who has all the tools to succeed
(71): Zak DeOssie- Zach Thomas heart and mentality in a real LB's body, no wonder Belichick loves his kid. Would love to tick Belichick off by getting him.
(108): Jonathan Wade- Fast guy who has all the tools, just needs the coaching.
(181): Cameron Stephenson- OG/OT project kind of guy
(219): Justin Hickman- Undersized DE who just gets to a QB and can play OLB, sound familiar?
(238): Brandon Myles - My pick for the Marquis Colston 7th round breakout award who broke out in Senior Bowl.
UDFA's: Brian Smith, Elliot Vallejo, Courtney Brown
FA's: Cooper Carlisle, Erron Kinney, Trent Green

Lee2000
03-29-2007, 10:07 PM
Draft-
1. Laron Landry
2. Joe Staley
2a Steve Smith
3 Kevin Kolb
4. Lorenzo Booker/ LB prospect that i have no clue about
6. Project OL
7. TE
7. LB

FA
Matt Lehr- Compete at center/LG. (more for Center)
Gandy or R Brown for a 1yr stop gap for competition
David Carr
thats it for now imma have to do more research on whats still out there FA wise
It is believed he has moved into the first round.

Lee2000

Frayser
03-29-2007, 10:25 PM
Trade our #9 pick for Green Bay's #16 and #47, they then select Adrian Peterson.

Round 1 #16 - Leon Hall CB
Round 2 #40 - Tony Ugoh OT
Round 2 #47 - Sidney Rice WR
Round 2 #60 - Trent Edwards QB
Round 3 #71 - Ben Patrick TE
Round 4 #104 - Andy Alleman OG

Next 3 picks BPA

We should all be crossing our fingers that Peterson falls because I think the trade down with Green Bay is definitely our best option, but I think it's wishful thinking to have us getting their 2nd. I would be more than happy with their 3rd . . . as I have in my sig.

But you and I seem to be on the same page as far as picks. I don't think Hall will be there, but I feel Revis is a better corner anyway. I don't have us going after a OG because I think we will sign one of the free agents we are looking at.

JT#1
03-29-2007, 10:57 PM
we should not trade picks to try and get brady unless he falls to #5-6, for the past few years we have trades all of our picks away, which is why we are sorely lacking depth at the O-line and secondary, you do not adress depth issues at multiple positions by trading AWAY all of your picks.

If landry is there at 9 i think we'll be taking him, if hes not there its a toss up between levi brown and ted ginn IMO, and i don;t think cam can resist picking a guy who has such potential to be a gamebreaker as Ginn

Dolfan11
03-30-2007, 01:14 AM
We should all be crossing our fingers that Peterson falls because I think the trade down with Green Bay is definitely our best option, but I think it's wishful thinking to have us getting their 2nd. I would be more than happy with their 3rd . . . as I have in my sig.

But you and I seem to be on the same page as far as picks. I don't think Hall will be there, but I feel Revis is a better corner anyway. I don't have us going after a OG because I think we will sign one of the free agents we are looking at.

Revis is good, but you can't ignore Hall's body of work, granted this past season wasn't up to par. I'd be happy with either or as long as it's a CB. Reason I include their 2nd is because of the Draft Value Chart. I believe it adds up almost equal, not sure how much their 3rd round is worth.

If we do sign one of the guards, then I take out the guard and take Moses. I take Jason Hill in the 3rd and take either Trent Edwards or Drew Stanton.

craig
03-30-2007, 02:16 AM
:sidelol:
Who in their right mind would trade for Daunte FumblePepper? Face it, the Fins were stupid to sign him in the first place. Drew Brees looks like a pretty good pick up now.:sidelol: Watch it ! The C-pep lovers will :boohoo:

badbutt316
03-30-2007, 05:44 AM
Ive noticed that some people have the fins trading their 9th pick along with one of their 2nd (40th) to move up to the second overall pick. The fins would have to give up a lot more than their 2nd round (40th overall) pick along with their 9th to move all the way up to where detroit is. The value for the 2nd overall pick (det) is 2600. The 9th pick (fins) is 1350 and their 40th is 500. Subtract those 2 from 2600 and you get a difference of 750 (the value of a late 1st round pick, 23rd or 24th overall). So in order to move up the dolphins would have to add their 3rd round pick along with a 2nd rounder for next years draft or just their 1st round pick next year.

The best scenario I see the fins getting quinn is if he dropped to washington (6th) where the fins would only have to give up their 2nd round pick (60th) along with their 9th pick in order to get him otherwise they would have to give up a boatload of draft picks if they tried to move up all the way up to #2.

Elliott 1
03-30-2007, 06:31 AM
:up:

Fix the OL or it won't matter who your QB is.

Why is David Carr a FA? Because the Texans have never addressed their OL ... Schaub isn't going to do squat without some protection, either!

In 2005, the Jets OL stunk and the team went through 3 or 4 QBs in a single season. They drafted D'Brickashaw with their first #1 and went back and got Mangold with their second #1. Not only was Chad able to play an entire season, the Jets won 10 games and went to the playoffs with a shoddy D and 2nd rate RBs.

Why have neither Buffalo nor Miami made the play offs in the last 5 years despite having top defenses at times? Their offenses couldn't sustain drives, couldn't score in the red zone, couldn't score consistently -- because both teams neglected the OL and it hurt both the running and passing games!

The defense forces and recovers a fumble at the opponent's 25 and 3 downs later, the offense is at the 19 or the 18 and they gotta kick a FG! Been there, done that too many times.

The Bills fixed their OL through the free agency because they had the money. The Fins need to fix theirs.

This is excellent exept I would trade down and get another pick or two so I could take Doug Free as well because there is a good chance that Levi Brown doesn't make it at left tackle. Gotta love Blaylock,Satele, and Soliai. Wow what a future OL and DL. Build from the center out.

Vendigo
03-30-2007, 06:51 AM
There's probably another late round pick involved in the Detroit deal, you're right about that.

There's a lot more involved than just a late round pick. Take a look at similar trades in the past and you'll see that there's absolutely no chance of getting up there without giving up another first or second rounder.

To get to #2, we would have to offer at least 1.300 points in addition to our #9, so we're talking both 2nd rounders and a first rounder next year (which is roughly the same value as a 2nd this year) at the absolute minimum.

Is Quinn worth that much? Maybe. But it's a huge gamble. I wouldn't rule it out, but a scenario like the following looks more appealing:

1st: Adam Carriker (probably BPA at #9 and the ideal fit for Caper's D)
1st: (by trading up into the latter half) Joe Staley
2nd: BPA guard or center
3rd: WR (too good a class to ignore it)

I don't like Levi Brown a lot at #9 because he reminds me too much of Vernon Carey. He would probably make a great RT (which we already have), but it's by no way certain he can play a good LT in the NFL. Staley is by far the more talented player, but he's not quite there yet and needs a one more year. Ginn might be become a possibility at #9 if he works out eventually and runs the time everyone expects him to run, but unless he does, he simply isn't a first rounder, let alone a top 10 pick. So right now I have Carriker as the BPA at #9 because he fits perfectly in Dom Capers' defense. Carriker can play end in the 3-4 when Jason Taylor lines up as an OLB and DT in the 4-3 when Taylor plays end. In addition, with him and Roth we'd be set at DE for years to come after Taylor calls it a day.

In terms of FA, I'd go after Carr and Green (in this order). If Quinn proves to be too expensive (which I think he eventually will), you could make an argument for Edwards in the 2nd (if he's still there that is) or Kolb and/or Rowe later on. Otherwise, go with Carr/Green and see what Lemon brings to the table.

Elliott 1
03-30-2007, 07:36 AM
Sign Carr and Cooper Carlisle

Trade DC,Chambers, and Renaldo Hill to KC for Green and their 1st round pick.

Trade Booker and Williams and both 7th rounders to Green Bay for their 1st round pick. And if we have to the 6th we get for Mare.(Only if we have to)

Trade down from 9th spot to Buffalo's #12 spot and receive Buffalo's 2nd round pick. If Petersen or Willis slides they'd do it in a heartbeat. If not it looks like there might be a lot of teams looking to move up this year.

Draft these guys:

#12 Ted Ginn JR WR
#16 Chris Houston CB
#21 Michael Griffin S
#40 Blaylock,Sears,or Grubbs OL
#44 Bryan Leonard RB
#60 Samson Satele C
#71 Doug Free LT
#103 Jared Zabransky QB
6th round Yamon Figurs WR
6th rounder for Mare Gabe Hall OT

QB...........Carr,Green,Lemon,Zabransky,Hamdan
RB............Brown,Leonard,Perhaps a FA comes available,Chatmann,Cobbs
FB............Sledge,Eckel
WR...........Ginn,Hakim,Figurs,Sam
WR...........Hagan,Campbell,Vick
TE............Martin,Peele,Rader,
LT.............Free,Alabi
RT.............Carey,Hall
RG............Shelton,Carlisle,Stevenson
LG.............Blaylock,Toledo
C,LS..............Satele,Hadnot
NT............Traylor,Evans,Wilkinson
DT............Holiday,Wright,Wright
DE.............Taylor,Roth,Vickerson,Page
LB.............Thomas,Pope
LB..............Crowder,Mcune
LB..............Porter,AGB,
S...............Bell,Griffin
S...............Allen,Worrell
CB..............Allen,Daniels, Mitchell
CB..............Houston,Goodman,Lehan
K...............Feely
P...............Jones

Admittedly the WR core could end up very good or pretty bad if Hagan hasn't matured and Hakim and Campbell get injured. One thing this corps is, is fast,
extremely fast. Hagan with a 4.4 is the slowest and he has one of the best 10 yard shuffles ever. So speed and quickness is there they just need to catch the ball.

TE needs to be improved next year.

This defense is nasty. Defintely better than last years.

The players traded salaries totalled around 20 million. Nice cap releif next year. Carr and Green are coming cheap. One of them will have great trade value next year. We can draft a QB again next year as well. Colt Brennan or Brohm. QB's are high value players.

Our ST's will kick butt. Griffin is considered the best ST's tackler in the draft and Figurs was the best flyer in college football last year. We picked up ace ST's guy Worrell and Leonard also blocking and tackling. It's just too bad all our TE's are wussie's on special teams or we could really be good. Also if AGB makes the team he is also a special teams maniac. I don't think we are going to miss Welker,Morris,Minor,Bowens or Barnes. Well maybe Bowens 5.5 sacks but special teams looks good.

PhinsRDbest
03-30-2007, 09:16 AM
Miami trades 9 to Greenbay for 16 and 47
Miami trades 47 and 60 to Philly for 26
Miami trades 219 for Trent Green
Miami trades Olindo Mare for 213
Miami signs Matt Lehr
16. Ted Ginn Jr.
26. Joe Staley
40. Drew Stanton
71. Andy Alleman
108. Kenny Scott
181. Dwayne Wright
213. Mkristo Bruce
238. Gabe Hall

Depth Chart
QB-Green, Stanton, Lemon
RB-Brown, Williams, Wright
FB-Schlesinger, Eckel
WR-Chambers, Booker, Ginn Jr., Hagan, Hakim
TE-Martin, Peele
LT-Staley, Alabi
LG-Toledo, Alleman
C-Lehr, Hadnot
RG-Shelton, Stephenson
RT-Carey, Hall or Lewenski
LE-Roth, R Wright
NT-Traylor, Evans
DT-Holliday, M Wright
RE-Taylor, Bruce
LOLB-Porter, Gbia-Milla(SP?)
MLB-Thomas, Pope
ROLB-Crowder, Waters
CB-Allen, Daniels, Goodman, Scott, Lehan
FS-Allen, Hill
SS-Bell, Worrell
K-Feely
P-Jones
LS-Denney

Kdawg954
03-30-2007, 09:46 AM
Miami trades 9 to Greenbay for 16 and 47
Miami trades 47 and 60 to Philly for 26
Miami trades 219 for Trent Green
Miami trades Olindo Mare for 213
Miami signs Matt Lehr
16. Ted Ginn Jr.
26. Joe Staley
40. Drew Stanton
71. Andy Alleman
108. Kenny Scott
181. Dwayne Wright
213. Mkristo Bruce
238. Gabe Hall



I can live with that mock all day.

Fawn Lebowitz
07-01-2007, 12:51 AM
We should all be crossing our fingers that Peterson falls because I think the trade down with Green Bay is definitely our best option, but I think it's wishful thinking to have us getting their 2nd. I would be more than happy with their 3rd . . . as I have in my sig.

But you and I seem to be on the same page as far as picks. I don't think Hall will be there, but I feel Revis is a better corner anyway. I don't have us going after a OG because I think we will sign one of the free agents we are looking at. That wasn't a bad mock you had. Hall was there at 16 and so was Ugoh at 40. Glad my Colts traded for #42 and snagged Ugoh. Surprised me, I didn't think that LT was a draft priority. The front office must have thought very highly of him to trade next years first rounder.

Geforce
07-01-2007, 06:09 AM
That wasn't a bad mock you had. Hall was there at 16 and so was Ugoh at 40. Glad my Colts traded for #42 and snagged Ugoh. Surprised me, I didn't think that LT was a draft priority. The front office must have thought very highly of him to trade next years first rounder.

Ugoh will probably move inside to OG.

Fawn Lebowitz
07-01-2007, 11:10 AM
Ugoh will probably move inside to OG. Doubtful, this is Tarik Glenn's last year with the Colts and he is grooming him to play LT.

Geforce
07-01-2007, 12:13 PM
Doubtful, this is Tarik Glenn's last year with the Colts and he is grooming him to play LT.

Ugoh will play either OG or RT this year and move into Glenn's spot next year. By addressing Glenn's possible replacement this year, it gives the Ugoh a chance to get acclimated to the speed of the NFL and hopefully make his transition to LT that much easier next year.

MrClean
07-01-2007, 03:32 PM
Ugoh will play either OG or RT this year and move into Glenn's spot next year. By addressing Glenn's possible replacement this year, it gives the Ugoh a chance to get acclimated to the speed of the NFL and hopefully make his transition to LT that much easier next year.

I don't think it would be surprising at all, if Ugoh starts no games in 2007. The Colts' OL is very solid. I sure don't see him beating out Scott or Diem.
Gandy did a pretty good job for them at LG, and Lilja and maybe DeMulling will be back there competing for that spot as well. Ugoh, IMO, is a pure tackle anyway and not a guard. Barring injuries, he'll watch and learn from Glenn in 2007. That's my guess anyway.