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Wacker13
03-31-2007, 12:12 AM
To anyone thinking that the Dolphins will take defense with the 1st round pick. Please expolain your logic to me. Since Marino left we have had a stuggling Offense. Our defense has gotten better. Our needs seem to be mainly on offense. Why do you think we'll take a defensive player at the #9 pick?

colmax
03-31-2007, 12:25 AM
To anyone thinking that the Dolphins will take defense with the 1st round pick. Please expolain your logic to me. Since Marino left we have had a stuggling Offense. Our defense has gotten better. Our needs seem to be mainly on offense. Why do you think we'll take a defensive player at the #9 pick?

Because more than likely all of the offensive players worth the 9th overall pick will be gone. That is not to say that Miami will not focus the draft towards the offensive end, there are just only a few warranting the 9th overall. And why not draft defense in the 1st? Miami probably still has one of the oldest defenses in the league. Bring in a young guy to learn from these savvy vets to continue the recent tradition of great defensive play.

The defense makes this team. We cannot continue to take for granted the play of Jason and Zach. They are old by NFL standards and will only get older. Hell, Taylor contemplated retirement last year. He continues to deal with back issues. Zach is getting slower by the day, but only continues to play at a high level because of his smarts. I do not know if you've noticed, but Zach missed more tackles last year than I have ever witnessed. This defense needs to get younger like yesterday.

DonShula84
03-31-2007, 12:27 AM
If the best player availalbe when we pick plays defense, and Mueller doesnt see good value from an offensive player at 9, we'd pick defense.

Wacker13
03-31-2007, 12:31 AM
But we need the help at offense. If there is no good offensive player at #9 trade down get more picks. That way we can take more offensive and defenive players.

BlueFin
03-31-2007, 12:34 AM
To anyone thinking that the Dolphins will take defense with the 1st round pick. Please expolain your logic to me. Since Marino left we have had a stuggling Offense. Our defense has gotten better. Our needs seem to be mainly on offense. Why do you think we'll take a defensive player at the #9 pick?

Its a little known but commonly used theory called BPA(BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE).

It defies all logic and laws of nature, but has saved many an NFL GM from unemployment.

BlueFin
03-31-2007, 12:35 AM
But we need the help at offense. If there is no good offensive player at #9 trade down get more picks. That way we can take more offensive and defenive players.

Yes yes, I see the logic in your madness, even if we must do it by force.

Wacker13
03-31-2007, 12:37 AM
I know BPA. But I looked at alot of mock drafts. People have us passing on Levi Brown, Tedd Ginn, and one that had us even pass on Calvin Johnson. I agree if the offensive player isn't there and we can't get more picks take the BPA. Otherwise Offense needs help.

colmax
03-31-2007, 12:40 AM
But we need the help at offense. If there is no good offensive player at #9 trade down get more picks. That way we can take more offensive and defenive players.

I am not going to question what Mueller does, but I do not think Miami trades down. In fact, I will almost guarantee it. I do, however, think it is more likely that Miami trades up for Brady Quinn.

But again, if they stay at 9, I think all of the offensive players warranting the 9th overall are gone. Defense is the way to go if they stay.

Webb78OLman
03-31-2007, 12:59 AM
I know BPA. But I looked at alot of mock drafts. People have us passing on Levi Brown, Tedd Ginn, and one that had us even pass on Calvin Johnson. I agree if the offensive player isn't there and we can't get more picks take the BPA. Otherwise Offense needs help.

I'd just like to ask which draft had us passing on Calvin Johnson? Is this one were we move up to #1 and decide to go with a QB? Because any mock draft that has calvin going past the vikings is just crazy, IMO.

JT#1
03-31-2007, 01:11 AM
Building for the future on the defensive end this year does not make much sense to me personally, we already have young interior D lineman waiting in the wings, let us see what they can do before we trade more. Zach is 2-3 years from retiring and middle linbacker isn't like quaterback, you don't exactly need to groom the player for a few years, besides we have crowder who has shown that he will probly be a great player in this league one day and can take over zach's position. As for JT he has around as many years to retirment as Zach and we have a good young pass rusher in Matt Roth. And as for depth you can get that later in the draft if its really that much of a concern.

DonShula84
03-31-2007, 01:14 AM
But we need the help at offense. If there is no good offensive player at #9 trade down get more picks. That way we can take more offensive and defenive players.


Trading down is a lot easier said than done. And it isnt like a stud defensive player wouldnt help our team.

Muck
03-31-2007, 09:25 AM
But we need the help at offense. If there is no good offensive player at #9 trade down get more picks. That way we can take more offensive and defenive players.

It's not as simple as just 'trading down'. You have to have a trade partner. And that partner has to offer what the pick is worth. It's very possible that nobody will want to trade into the #9 slot.

If we're stuck at the #9 pick and the only players worthy of the pick are defensive, which is very likely to be the case, you pick defense.

It's not as if we don't have holes to fill there. So we wouldn't be wasting the pick.

Muck
03-31-2007, 09:33 AM
I know BPA. But I looked at alot of mock drafts. People have us passing on Levi Brown, Tedd Ginn, and one that had us even pass on Calvin Johnson. I agree if the offensive player isn't there and we can't get more picks take the BPA. Otherwise Offense needs help.

I personally would pass on Brown at #9. He ain't worth the pick IMHO.

cnc66
03-31-2007, 09:35 AM
I personally would pass on Brown at #9. He ain't worth the pick IMHO.

I have come to the same conclusion, even if we have to go D first round.

IdahoPhin
03-31-2007, 10:17 AM
I would rather move up and get CJ or Quinn. We know that the Lions are looking for a trade partner. We have ignored Offense long enough.

As good as our defense is it gets burnt out from to much time on the field. We need an offense that can control the ball for long drives.

MrEd
03-31-2007, 11:52 AM
If the best player availalbe when we pick plays defense, and Mueller doesnt see good value from an offensive player at 9, we'd pick defense.

Russell, CJ, Ginn, Thomas, Quinn, Peterson, Brown, Lynch, Blalock, and Olsen are my top 10 offensive players in this year's draft.

Adams, Landry, Hall, Okoye, Willis, Nelson, Houston, Carriker, Anderson, and Branch are my top 10 defensive players.

Only way we go defense is if Russell, CJ, Ginn, "and" Quinn are all gone. I think that if Peterson is there, we might find a trade down partner. Same with Quinn.

Although with all this Quinn mania and rumors...although I wouldn't like it...we probably would pick Quinn if he's there.

But I hope that Mueller doesn't trade up for the guy. I would rather stay pat and select Ginn Jr at #9.

The Confessor
03-31-2007, 11:59 AM
I know BPA. But I looked at alot of mock drafts. People have us passing on Levi Brown, Tedd Ginn, and one that had us even pass on Calvin Johnson. I agree if the offensive player isn't there and we can't get more picks take the BPA. Otherwise Offense needs help.


LINK:If you saw a mock with us passing on Johnson at 9, the person creating that mock should seek therapy. Johnson will never make it past 3, very very good chance he is the first chosen.

Only way I pick Ginn or Brown is IF we trade down and pick up another good pick, otherwise I could see us going defense first pick, then spending majority of the rest of first day on Offense, primarily Oline.

Phanatical
03-31-2007, 03:26 PM
If the best player availalbe when we pick plays defense, and Mueller doesnt see good value from an offensive player at 9, we'd pick defense.

Uh huh.

Yep.

OneHondo
03-31-2007, 11:22 PM
There are so many variants and dynamics in the draft. Players are constantly rising and falling depending on what mock or what source you use. At draft time it may be interesting to see some players who were a reach at #9 at one time to be a worthy pick at#9 at draft time.