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Blitz
04-01-2007, 06:33 PM
#009 - Brady Quinn (QB - Notre Dame)
#040 - Dwayne Jarrett (WR - USC)
#060 - Ben Patrick (TE - Delaware)
#071 - Aundre Allison (WR - East Carolina)
#106 - Ryan Harris (OT - Notre Dame) *
#108 - Kenny Irons (RB - Auburn)
#159 - Ryan Smith (CB - Florida) **
#213 - Traded (See Below) ***
#238 - David Ball (WR - New Hampshire)

* - Obtained via trade with the Minnesota Vikings (Chris Chambers + Marty Booker In Exchange For 106)
** - Obtained via trade with the Dallas Cowboys (Olindo Mare + 181 + 213 + 219 In Exchange For 159)
*** - Obtained via trade with the Cleveland Browns (Daunte Culpepper In Exchange For 213 & 2008 Conditional Draft Pick)

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I know I'm going to take flak for saying dump Culpepper, Chambers and Booker, but I think it's time to move on and try winning on offense with new blood. I certainly hope this is an offense-heavy draft. Both Quinn and Jarrett falling into our lap is most surely a pipe dream, but I'd love to get one of the two at the positions above. Sidney Rice is a more reasonable possibility at 40. I think there's still a chance of Quinn falling to us, though.

SR 7
04-01-2007, 06:48 PM
we traded 2 wr for the 106th pick? WORST draft in hostyr of anything.

Regan21286
04-01-2007, 06:55 PM
2 decent WR's for a subpar LT? Not very smart. Other than the first pick, rest don't look so well especially if Sidney Rice is there on the Jarrett pick.

Blitz
04-01-2007, 06:59 PM
2 decent WR's for a subpar LT? Not very smart. Other than the first pick, rest don't look so well especially if Sidney Rice is there on the Jarrett pick.

Two overpaid, aging, underachieving, defeatist-mentality WRs for a bright, young OT with potential? I'd definitely pull the trigger. They're probably the only way we'd possibly be able to get another pick at the top of the fourth...

I'd keep Booker if we were only able to get one WR in the first three-rounds. If we drafted both Jarrett & Allison, I'd dump Booker and Chambers.

illscriptures
04-01-2007, 07:10 PM
I should have skipped this thread for the mere insanity. Your mock was ok... right up until the 4th round.

And then the worst madden like trades started to happen.

Agent51
04-01-2007, 07:11 PM
Two overpaid, aging, underachieving, defeatist-mentality WRs for a bright, young OT with potential? I'd definitely pull the trigger. They're probably the only way we'd possibly be able to get another pick at the top of the fourth...

I'd keep Booker if we were only able to get one WR in the first three-rounds. If we drafted both Jarrett & Allison, I'd dump Booker and Chambers.

That's still way too much. I agree Ryan Harris has potential, but both out WRs to move up 5 spots in round three to take an OT? That would leave us with who, 2nd-year player Hagan and Az-Hakim, who is just as old as Chambers and Booker, as our WRs? Plus 3 rookie WRs and a rookie TE (going by your draft)? I wouldn't feel comfortable with that, especially for an O-lineman. I would like Harris too, but not at that cost.

Frayser
04-01-2007, 07:11 PM
Rookie QB throwing to two rookie WRs? And only one defensive player when our defense is aging and needs to be revitalized via the draft?

:shakeno:

What if Brady Quinn is Ryan Leaf? What if Dwayne Jarrett is Mike Williams? We would have essentially let our defense get another year older while making our offense even worse. You can't stake everything on one draft . . . simply expecting all of the players to pan out.

Agent51
04-01-2007, 07:15 PM
I also don't agree with taking 3 WRs and a TE in this draft. Where is our help at C, LB, DE, DT, S? Those are all positions of need, or positions that could use some depth, WAY before we need 3 new WRs and a new TE. Keep Booker and Chambers and draft ONE WR and maybe a TE, but not 4 total recievers (3 WR and 1 TE), we need too much help for that.

Brown42000
04-01-2007, 07:21 PM
#009 - Brady Quinn (QB - Notre Dame)
#040 - Dwayne Jarrett (WR - USC)
#060 - Ben Patrick (TE - Delaware)
#071 - Aundre Allison (WR - East Carolina)
#106 - Ryan Harris (OT - Notre Dame) *
#108 - Kenny Irons (RB - Auburn)
#159 - Ryan Smith (CB - Florida) **
#213 - Traded (See Below) ***
#238 - David Ball (WR - New Hampshire)

* - Obtained via trade with the Minnesota Vikings (Chris Chambers + Marty Booker In Exchange For 106)
** - Obtained via trade with the Dallas Cowboys (Olindo Mare + 181 + 213 + 219 In Exchange For 159)
*** - Obtained via trade with the Cleveland Browns (Daunte Culpepper In Exchange For 213 & 2008 Conditional Draft Pick)

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I know I'm going to take flak for saying dump Culpepper, Chambers and Booker, but I think it's time to move on and try winning on offense with new blood. I certainly hope this is an offense-heavy draft. Both Quinn and Jarrett falling into our lap is most surely a pipe dream, but I'd love to get one of the two at the positions above. Sidney Rice is a more reasonable possibility at 40. I think there's still a chance of Quinn falling to us, though.
That would be the worst trade in draft history.

Frayser
04-01-2007, 07:29 PM
I also don't agree with taking 3 WRs and a TE in this draft. Where is our help at C, LB, DE, DT, S? Those are all positions of need, or positions that could use some depth, WAY before we need 3 new WRs and a new TE. Keep Booker and Chambers and draft ONE WR and maybe a TE, but not 4 total recievers (3 WR and 1 TE), we need too much help for that.

Exactly. How quickly people seem to forget what it felt like to hear Jason Taylor might be retiring! Zach is one serious injury away from retirement. Porter could be slowing up. Crowder has bad knees. And our secondary and line still have a lot of long term work to be done. I just don't understand this offensive first attitude from so many people.

Blitz
04-01-2007, 07:38 PM
Rookie QB throwing to two rookie WRs? And only one defensive player when our defense is aging and needs to be revitalized via the draft?

We're rebuilding. We're in decent shape on defense with Porter, Taylor and Thomas leading the way, but pathetically horrid on offense. At least with a young offense we could get some growing pains this year, and improve upon it each year. We could build our offense around Quinn, Ronnie Brown, and Dwayne Jarrett. They could be the centerpieces of our offense for the next decade. The Houckster has worked wonders in the past with a rag tag unit, so I'm not too concerned about his ability to squeeze a lot out of our OL. Ben Patrick and Kenny Irons would be great picks at 60 and 108 respectively, solidifying our TE and RB core. Throw in Ricky Williams, and our offense might be respectable despite its youth, much like our defense was this time ten years ago.

Of course, we can focus on defense in next year's draft. We're in decent shape defensively. This draft ought to be about offense, offense, offense.


What if Brady Quinn is Ryan Leaf? What if Dwayne Jarrett is Mike Williams? We would have essentially let our defense get another year older while making our offense even worse. You can't stake everything on one draft . . . simply expecting all of the players to pan out.

What if Brady Quinn is the next Peyton Manning and Dwayne Jarrett is the next Marvin Harrison?

Fortune favors the bold.

ASUFinFan
04-01-2007, 07:57 PM
I like your mentalitly on draft offense this year. I agree with that completely. Although where we differ is that I wouldnt completely ignore the defensive side of the ball. 70 percent I want to be offense.

Also that trade of chambers and booker, two starters for us who have each been to a probowl, for the 108th pick - for an unproven OT? Now dont get me wrong I am fed up with Chambers production, or lack there of, but that would be a horrendous trade. we cant have all of our recievers basically be rookies either. remember Hagan is still learning. We could get better value from those guys also.

But I do agree that we need new blood on offense. I also like that you a drafting a TE. I believe that we need to upgrade there badly, I am not sold at all on that one guy, whatever his name is, from GB. Who is he again? We need to draft offense, I understand that we also need to not completely forget about the defense, but I am sick and tired of us having one of the worst offenses in the nfl. I am tired of me asking myself if we will be lucky enough to score over ten points. I want playmakers on that side of the ball. Im with yah on that Blitz 100%

Agent51
04-01-2007, 08:10 PM
I like your mentalitly on draft offense this year. I agree with that completely. Although where we differ is that I wouldnt completely ignore the defensive side of the ball. 70 percent I want to be offense.

Also that trade of chambers and booker, two starters for us who have each been to a probowl, for the 108th pick - for an unproven OT? Now dont get me wrong I am fed up with Chambers production, or lack there of, but that would be a horrendous trade. we cant have all of our recievers basically be rookies either. remember Hagan is still learning. We could get better value from those guys also.

But I do agree that we need new blood on offense. I also like that you a drafting a TE. I believe that we need to upgrade there badly, I am not sold at all on that one guy, whatever his name is, from GB. Who is he again? We need to draft offense, I understand that we also need to not completely forget about the defense, but I am sick and tired of us having one of the worst offenses in the nfl. I am tired of me asking myself if we will be lucky enough to score over ten points. I want playmakers on that side of the ball. Im with yah on that Blitz 100%

I think its more like 60-40 (offense being the larger %). QB is a HUGE need, and we could use another stud WR (still think Chambers is one if he just gets some consistency at QB), and prolly a young TE to groom, not to mention some offensive line probs. However, we could also use depth at LB, DE, and DT, as well as some fresh talent at DB. Our 2 stars on D (Taylor and Thomas) aren't getting any younger. Taylor already contemplated retirement, and Thomas can't be too far off from the same. We had an EXCELLENT window a few years ago when we had that great defesive backfield plus our LBs and D-line were on fire. However, we dropped the ball on offense (a lot of times literally). So I think while offense is obviously the BIGGER need, defense could use a few fresh potential starters and some young depth too.

VT Dolphan
04-01-2007, 08:25 PM
I liked the first four picks, although I think we should go best defensive player available with at least one of them. Then I got to the trades and it just kind of went downhill from there...

ASUFinFan
04-01-2007, 08:43 PM
I think its more like 60-40 (offense being the larger %). QB is a HUGE need, and we could use another stud WR (still think Chambers is one if he just gets some consistency at QB), and prolly a young TE to groom, not to mention some offensive line probs. However, we could also use depth at LB, DE, and DT, as well as some fresh talent at DB. Our 2 stars on D (Taylor and Thomas) aren't getting any younger. Taylor already contemplated retirement, and Thomas can't be too far off from the same. We had an EXCELLENT window a few years ago when we had that great defesive backfield plus our LBs and D-line were on fire. However, we dropped the ball on offense (a lot of times literally). So I think while offense is obviously the BIGGER need, defense could use a few fresh potential starters and some young depth too.

yah somewhere in that general percentage I will be happy with. You can never just completely ignore one side of the ball. I agree with you on our offensive needs completely. QB is a dire need, so is Oline as we need to add three of four in that regard.As for the TE, I am not buyin what that TE from GB is sellin. So I would also like to add a young TE, really like olsen, but most likely it would be Patrick or my boy Zach Miller. At the WR position I would like to add someone as well. If Quinn is out of the picture, I want us to take Ginn at 9. That would solve that situation. Plus, I think Cam could have some fun with Ginn on offense. Not only that but, as im sure you know, he would help on special teams. And like Boomer said, he would give you that reggie bush effect on the field. And you cannot have enough of the reggie bush effect on your team, that is for sure.

Pocoloco
04-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Ben Patrick is a good pick, but the second round is a bit high. I think you can get him in the second day

Dolfan32323
04-01-2007, 11:01 PM
Wheres the o-line?

Regan21286
04-02-2007, 12:28 AM
Two overpaid, aging, underachieving, defeatist-mentality WRs for a bright, young OT with potential? I'd definitely pull the trigger. They're probably the only way we'd possibly be able to get another pick at the top of the fourth...

I'd keep Booker if we were only able to get one WR in the first three-rounds. If we drafted both Jarrett & Allison, I'd dump Booker and Chambers.

You mean two former Pro Bowl WR's for an OT who needs a lot of work. Harris hasn't played very well for the Irish and allowed a lot of DE's to breathe down Quinn's neck. Starting 2 rookie WR's is a very bad idea.

Agent51
04-02-2007, 12:39 AM
You mean two former Pro Bowl WR's for an OT who needs a lot of work. Harris hasn't played very well for the Irish and allowed a lot of DE's to breathe down Quinn's neck. Starting 2 rookie WR's is a very bad idea.

Especially with a rookie Qb throwing to them (Quinn, asuming this draft happened). If we need a result now, before our D fully fizzles out, then you would have to start ONE rookie WR (max) with a veterent QB or the rookie QB with veteren WRs, that way ONE of the positions has the NFL experience to help with timing. A rookie QB and 2+ rookie WRs will NEVER work.

uncmiamiphan
04-02-2007, 08:20 PM
our dream 1st pick shouldn't be a above average QB. it should be the amazing Calvin Johnson, put him oppisite of chambers and we could kil

Kdawg954
04-02-2007, 09:10 PM
Man if there was any way to put a downer on Quinn sliding to 9, u made it happen. it would be giving up our #1 and #2 WR's for a guy who needs a ton of work on the OLine and is a rookie. This team isn't rebuilding . . . but a future QB is needed . . . doesn't mean rebuild . . . I like the retool concept.

retarmyfinfan
04-02-2007, 09:22 PM
#009 - Brady Quinn (QB - Notre Dame)
#040 - Dwayne Jarrett (WR - USC)
#060 - Ben Patrick (TE - Delaware)
#071 - Aundre Allison (WR - East Carolina)
#106 - Ryan Harris (OT - Notre Dame) *
#108 - Kenny Irons (RB - Auburn)
#159 - Ryan Smith (CB - Florida) **
#213 - Traded (See Below) ***
#238 - David Ball (WR - New Hampshire)

* - Obtained via trade with the Minnesota Vikings (Chris Chambers + Marty Booker In Exchange For 106)
** - Obtained via trade with the Dallas Cowboys (Olindo Mare + 181 + 213 + 219 In Exchange For 159)
*** - Obtained via trade with the Cleveland Browns (Daunte Culpepper In Exchange For 213 & 2008 Conditional Draft Pick)

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I know I'm going to take flak for saying dump Culpepper, Chambers and Booker, but I think it's time to move on and try winning on offense with new blood. I certainly hope this is an offense-heavy draft. Both Quinn and Jarrett falling into our lap is most surely a pipe dream, but I'd love to get one of the two at the positions above. Sidney Rice is a more reasonable possibility at 40. I think there's still a chance of Quinn falling to us, though.

Your dream my nightmare. :shakeno: