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23RB23
04-04-2007, 11:09 AM
http://www.benmaller.com/nfl_rumors_notes

"Continuing to monitor Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, Dolphins general manager Randy Mueller and coach Cam Cameron will get yet another look (http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/62895.html) in a private workout April 10 with Quinn and Irish receiver Rhema McKnight."

Looks like CamRam is trying to figure out if Quinn can finally be the answer to our QB problem. Hopefully after the private workout on April 10, they should have a better idea. Hopefully he's the guys we've all been waiting for since Marino retired. Wow that seemed so long ago :boohoo:

GO FINS!!!

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-04-2007, 11:13 AM
Thats funny .. Drew Stanton is in for a private workout this morning in Davie ..

I wouldn't look too much into it, this is standard procedure .

WatCanBrownDo4U
04-04-2007, 11:39 AM
we need to get quinn .. what ever it takes! he is the future to this franchise!!

Crunkcore
04-04-2007, 12:29 PM
Hopefully we like what we see in Quinn's workout.

alan huber
04-04-2007, 12:38 PM
we need to get quinn .. what ever it takes! he is the future to this franchise!!

o feel the same way ,, dnt csre if we give our 2 second rounders plus our first to get this boy

HybridPHIN 23
04-04-2007, 12:46 PM
Hopefully we like what we see in Quinn's workout.

i'd love to get brady but i'm actuallty hoping we like what we see from another QB cuz Brady would probably cost us our 1st 3 picks right ? I dunno if spending all that on a QB is the best thing for this franchise. Look what the giants gave up for ELI, they could have had Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding !!
Do you want to be saying something like that about us if a QB selected later performs as well or better than Quinn ?

showstopper
04-04-2007, 01:21 PM
I Miss Marino!!!!

BlueFin
04-04-2007, 01:31 PM
Thats funny .. Drew Stanton is in for a private workout this morning in Davie ..

I wouldn't look too much into it, this is standard procedure .

I would say it backs up thier stated intentions of drafting a QB in the draft, or at least the desire to do so. Brady Quinn appears to definitely be on thier radar, as does Stanton.

Dolfan32323
04-04-2007, 01:32 PM
If he slides there will be many happy Dolfans on the 28th.

Captain Lou
04-04-2007, 01:49 PM
Hopefully we like what we see in Quinn's workout.


I disagree. I think it would be a much better situation if we like Stanton. We can get him, and not give up a thing. If we draft Quinn I'll support him but I dont really like him. I really dont see us drafting him unless he slips to 9. Since that won't happen I think it's really unlikely that he ends up a Dolphin.

SabanHater
04-04-2007, 02:56 PM
I Miss Marino!!!!

There's not one on this entire forum that feels differently than you do.

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

Regan21286
04-04-2007, 04:10 PM
I hope this is a sign the Phins are seriously considering Quinn and maybe moving up as Mueller had suggested in an interview (though it also included staying at 9 or trading down as well). But it's good to see them weighing options and hopefully Quinn will impress enough for Mueller and Cam to pull the trigger and get him at all costs.

PhinfanUK
04-04-2007, 04:50 PM
I agree with some of you guys, I hope Cam can make Stanton or Edwards our franchise QB (if C-PEP doesn't pan out) because it will cost us less. As long as we come away with a QB that the coaching staff believes in I'll be pleased.

Regan21286
04-04-2007, 05:45 PM
I agree with some of you guys, I hope Cam can make Stanton or Edwards our franchise QB (if C-PEP doesn't pan out) because it will cost us less. As long as we come away with a QB that the coaching staff believes in I'll be pleased.

It may cost less but the gamble is less likely to succeed. There are a lot of non-1st round QB's that pass through the draft and very few are currently starters. You aren't going to find a Tom Brady everywhere all the time in the draft. Stanton, if he does succeed, will probably need 3-5 years to groom to a decent level as a starter. Likewise for Edwards, though considering I have a strong anti-Stanford bias, I would think he'd never become anything more than a NFL Europe football backup.

YetanotherFan
04-04-2007, 05:53 PM
If he slides there will be many happy Dolfans on the 28th.

B Quinn , jump onto that slide and move your butt to Davie!

jim1
04-04-2007, 10:20 PM
It may cost less but the gamble is less likely to succeed. There are a lot of non-1st round QB's that pass through the draft and very few are currently starters. You aren't going to find a Tom Brady everywhere all the time in the draft. Stanton, if he does succeed, will probably need 3-5 years to groom to a decent level as a starter. Likewise for Edwards, though considering I have a strong anti-Stanford bias, I would think he'd never become anything more than a NFL Europe football backup.

Please explain. I wouldn't touch Stanton before the 3rd, and I'm curious about Edwards. I've asked for opinions about Edwards on this site, but my efforts have been about as successful as pissing in the wind.

TexanPhinatic
04-04-2007, 10:31 PM
Pee harder mate, pee harder.

As far as Quinn is concerned, no I dont want to trade for the next Eli Manning, but god yes I would like to trade for the next Peyton.
A QB will be the position that takes us to the next level and Quinn has the best shot out of all the QBs this year (and imo in recent years and the future) to be a pro bowl caliber QB alongside names like Peyton manning, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer etc.

Wouldnt do a Ditka and give away my draft, but if we could strike a reasonable deal im jumping all over it.

Sean
04-04-2007, 10:51 PM
I agree with Quinn, i would have him battle it out, but most prefieribly back up to Daunte. Daunte wouldn't be a bad mentor to him, and he can show him more field vison, what Brady struggles with.

So yes i agree full w/ Quinn being our francise QB

DcRy82
04-04-2007, 11:09 PM
i really dont understand why people think that Quinn "cant drop" to 9. everyone thought matt leinart was goin in the top 5 last year .. he went at 10. if leinart can drop to 10, then so can brady quinn. especially when you consider the amount of talent and diff. directions the top 8 teams could go

Regan21286
04-04-2007, 11:44 PM
Please explain. I wouldn't touch Stanton before the 3rd, and I'm curious about Edwards. I've asked for opinions about Edwards on this site, but my efforts have been about as successful as pissing in the wind.

Edwards and Stanton are both 6'3 QB's who have pretty much sucked their college careers and are being considered solely for their physical potential. Stanton is probably a worthwhile pick at the 3rd round but because of QB inflation, finds himself in the 2nd round.

I'll try to stomach my anti-Stanford hatred, which is about as acrid as a Dolphins fan hating a Bills/Jets/Patriots player. Edwards has good size, an above average arm, and an ok decision-making mind, the kind of physical specs teams look for. He's a pretty decent defense reader and has some intangibles and leadership capabilities. Decent accuracy also and has put up a few good games. Definitely has a long way to go in terms of his development into a decent QB because he has a good amount of bad habits that may or may not have arisen from playing for a disgustingly horrible team (think Joey Harrington). Many times he either throws a terrible pass (especially when he's out of the pocket) or eats turf. True, he did have a bad OL, but even when he's not under pressure, he does make questionable throws. And he's got Joey's "happy feet" yet will still be a bit slow in getting the ball out, getting sacked, and fumbling like the 2002 Culpepper. Not to mention, the beatings he's been rightfully given (sorry, UCLA homerism there) has left him very injury prone. He has never fully finished an entire season. His body may not last long in the pros at this rate. Any team that drafts him is counting on his upside and thinks they can overcome his shortcomings and his injury liability. It's those last two that really make me pass on Edwards.

Agent51
04-05-2007, 02:34 AM
i'd love to get brady but i'm actuallty hoping we like what we see from another QB cuz Brady would probably cost us our 1st 3 picks right ? I dunno if spending all that on a QB is the best thing for this franchise. Look what the giants gave up for ELI, they could have had Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding !!
Do you want to be saying something like that about us if a QB selected later performs as well or better than Quinn ?

No, but conversely, do you want to be saying "We had him, we FRIGGIN had him and we passed" if (probably WHEN) he outperforms all of the other QBs in the draft?

I don't, once was enough (Drew Brees).

You could say that about ANY player in this draft, the "do you want to be saying that if another (name a position) is better than (name a player we draft instead)?" Hell, What happens if we pass on a guy early and take a guy later and the early guy is a stud, the latter a bust? What happens if we take one guy over another in the 7th round, and the other becomes a better player? Happens every single year, people pick one guy and another guy they had a chance at turns out to be better, so in theory what you are applying to Brady Quinn could be to ANY player at ANY position. I for one would rather risk it for Quinn (who is already NFL-ready, think of what a year of sitting and learning behind a guy like Trent Green could do) than pass on the opportunity and find out the QB we do take doesn't work and then what? No garuntees we are in position for Brohm next year (who I don't even see as being beter than Quinn) so why pass on the opportunity to find a franchise, potentially Pro Bowl, QB?

We will never get a franchise QB if we don't finally pull the trigger on investing in a QB, and I mean more than a later round guy who never makes the team or gets sent to NFL Europe. Quinn is a risk I'm willing to take. If he busts, oh well, at least I will know we made an effort. It's not like we haven't had crappy drafts for YEARS now, so I'm willing to suffer one more (potentially, assuming we make a trade for Quinn and he busts) if the opposite end of that is we get a potential Pro Bowl franchise QB. The reward is greater than the risk for Quinn IMO.

fullerboy1
04-05-2007, 02:47 AM
There's not one on this entire forum that feels differently than you do.

:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

I fell so sad now.
:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

fullerboy1
04-05-2007, 02:49 AM
I fell so sad now.
:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

I mean feel.
:lol:

SR 7
04-05-2007, 02:58 AM
i dono if its thinkign to deep but u think they are bringing in his WR as well so he can run drills or w/e they do together n see how quinn works wiht ppl he has been playing with? meaning for the long term when he has a WR to throw do 3 yrs of playing time ala CC or a newcomer?

pepemarro
04-05-2007, 04:49 AM
Yes... Quinn is the answer to a big QB problem... but the other problem is other teams avobe miami have >QB problems... so what if he had a good workout, that do not change the draft order!!!

retarmyfinfan
04-05-2007, 08:49 AM
Don't know if this is posted yet or if it has any meaning, but Brady Quinn will have a peivate workout for the Fins on April 10.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/04/04/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html

PHINANALYST
04-05-2007, 09:09 AM
My impression is that we would consider a 'slight' move up to get him [like 2-3 spots] -- if'n the FO determines he is worth it .... but other than that it's back to Stanton or less ...

The FO is just doing their job, covering all options and determining true value.

It 'could' be a smoke screen as well -- but I just don't see it that way.

Fishnutz15
04-05-2007, 09:45 AM
i really dont understand why people think that Quinn "cant drop" to 9. everyone thought matt leinart was goin in the top 5 last year .. he went at 10. if leinart can drop to 10, then so can brady quinn. especially when you consider the amount of talent and diff. directions the top 8 teams could go

Last year in the weeks leading up to the draft, there was alot of talk about Leinart dropping to be the 3rd QB to be picked and all this hype around Cutler moving up. This year it looked for a while that Quinn was going to drop, but most recent analysts on TV, radio, and the internet have Quinn going back up the draft chart as a top 4-5 pick. I wish we could get him at #9, but I just don't see any way we get him without moving up anymore. :(

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 09:46 AM
o feel the same way ,, dnt csre if we give our 2 second rounders plus our first to get this boy
That would quite possibly go down as the worst move in Dolphins history. Brady Quinn is the most overrated player in this year's draft.

resnor
04-05-2007, 09:47 AM
Why do people think that drafting a QB in the first round is any less of a risk than drafting a QB in the second or third? LOL. You can get busts in EVERY round, including first. Just look at Harrington...or Leaf...or the myriad of others chosen in the first who absolutely sucked in the NFL. Picking in the first is not a guarantee of anything.

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-05-2007, 09:50 AM
I wish this draft was this weekend because the long wait is driving me crazy.

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-05-2007, 09:56 AM
With all this Quinn talk, it looks like Washington is willing to deal the 6th pick to Miami to get Quinn , since the Briggs deal appears to be dead .. - Link to the story --

www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/wwhi040407.htm (http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2007/wwhi040407.htm)

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 10:02 AM
No, but conversely, do you want to be saying "We had him, we FRIGGIN had him and we passed" if (probably WHEN) he outperforms all of the other QBs in the draft?

I don't, once was enough (Drew Brees).

You could say that about ANY player in this draft, the "do you want to be saying that if another (name a position) is better than (name a player we draft instead)?" Hell, What happens if we pass on a guy early and take a guy later and the early guy is a stud, the latter a bust? What happens if we take one guy over another in the 7th round, and the other becomes a better player? Happens every single year, people pick one guy and another guy they had a chance at turns out to be better, so in theory what you are applying to Brady Quinn could be to ANY player at ANY position. I for one would rather risk it for Quinn (who is already NFL-ready, think of what a year of sitting and learning behind a guy like Trent Green could do) than pass on the opportunity and find out the QB we do take doesn't work and then what? No garuntees we are in position for Brohm next year (who I don't even see as being beter than Quinn) so why pass on the opportunity to find a franchise, potentially Pro Bowl, QB?

We will never get a franchise QB if we don't finally pull the trigger on investing in a QB, and I mean more than a later round guy who never makes the team or gets sent to NFL Europe. Quinn is a risk I'm willing to take. If he busts, oh well, at least I will know we made an effort. It's not like we haven't had crappy drafts for YEARS now, so I'm willing to suffer one more (potentially, assuming we make a trade for Quinn and he busts) if the opposite end of that is we get a potential Pro Bowl franchise QB. The reward is greater than the risk for Quinn IMO.
I disagree. First, we have invested in QBs in the past and they just haven't panned out. Just because we select a Qb early in the draft, there is no guarantee for success. In fact, very few QBs succeed. It is the hardest position to fill. How can you say that Quinn is NFL ready? Just because he was schooled under Weis' system does not make him NFL ready. Incidentally, Weis is one of the most overrated coaches. He hasn't had a lot of success in ND, and quite frankly, Tom Brady , the defense and the other coaching staff got Weis a SB ring. I think the Pats offense is actually much better since Weis left.
You argue that the posters' ,logic is flawed because the potential for the opposite to occur exists but it is a circular argument. You say Quinn could be a pro-bowl Qb, wel according to your logic, many others could also potentially be pro-bowl QBs. I just don't seen Quinn having much success in the nFL. APart form some of his physical shortcomings, I think his biggest weakness is his mental toughness, which is oddly, what many of supporters would say is his greatest strength.
I've watched about 12-15 of his games on tape over the last three years, and am still confused about all the hype. This is not to say that he is worthless, garbage etc, but I just don't get why people are creaming their jeans over the guy. I've also been put off by his interviews. Quite frankly, he reminds me of Ryan Leaf more than Tom Brady. He comes across as selfish, conceited, narcissistic and a sense of entitlement.
Last point. I'm also confused as to whay you say we have had bad drafts for years. We had some pretty decent drafts under Saban.

phinatic8818
04-05-2007, 10:40 AM
i dont want o say that hes the quaterback we have been waiting for but i think hes a solid quaterback with a lot of potantial dont get to hyped up you guys might be dissapointed at the end:bighug:

ckparrothead
04-05-2007, 10:47 AM
The Dolphins met with Brady Quinn at the NFL Combine and the Senior Bowl. They watched Quinn's workout at Notre Dame intently. During the Combine they gave Quinn an extremely tough chalk talk session where they asked him to draw up as many of Notre Dame's plays as possible. Cameron promised that at their next meeting, he's going to ask Brady to do the same exact thing, except time him to only 60 seconds. From what I hear, this private meeting they have with Quinn is actually going to be at Notre Dame...the staff are flying the private jet up there to meet with him. They may decide to bring him back to Davie for a day at the office, they may not. This is all extremely important when deciding whether they should be spending an extra draft pick to go up and get him.

The asking price to move up from #9 to #6 should be the Dolphins' 3rd round pick, #71 overall. They might be forced to toss in a 6th for good measure.

It is interesting that someone brought up the Peyton vs. Eli thing...because I see that playing out at the top of this draft. Jamarcus Russell is the most physically gifted slinger to come out since...well, maybe not EVER, but it's close. The ball flies off his hands, and he's damn accurate too.

But, his lax attitude makes me think very much of Eli "I let my family do all the talking for me" Manning. I don't question whether he loves the game of football, rather I question whether he's willing to put in the work to be all that he can be in the game of football. He shows up to the Combine, the most important job interview of his life, and he's got flab all over his torso. Nick Saban benched the guy a few times, claiming that Jamarcus just doesn't know how good he could be, if he would only work at it. Is he a true leader among his teammates? I don't know that he is.

His 2006 season was truly an awesome season. His accuracy, the way he pushed the ball down the field, everything a great year...much like Brady Quinn's 2005 season. But what was the catalyst for this great season? Why was he such an underachiever prior to 2006, and then he broke out in 2006? His supporters will claim that the light clicked on for him, that he started working hard like Nick Saban always told him to and it paid off. I'm not buying it. There may have been a little of that going on, but I think the catalysts were entirely exogenous in nature.

Fact of the matter is that he already had a good WRs unit in 2005, but in 2006 they broke out in a big way. Dwayne Bowe had corrective eye surgery prior to 2006 and all the sudden he stopped dropping the ball, became the first round WR we all see right now. Craig "Buster" Davis always had some of the best hands in the SEC, and a good speed/size combo, but prior to the 2006 he spent a summer with the Mannings up in Manning camp and came out of that camp running precise routes like Marvin Harrison. He has now become a borderline first round WR in the eyes of many scouts. Early Doucet was a frosh in 2005, and by his sophomore year he's already become a typhoon of speed and play-making talent, like a poor man's Ted Ginn Jr.

So I don't think that 2006 stands as proof that Jamarcus has "grown up" at all. He still needs to prove that he has, and he certainly did a very poor job of that at the Combine. I also look at interviews with him and his uncle where his uncle keeps basically speaking for him, and it does remind me a lot of Eli Manning. Maybe it's just me, but the guy I want to draft at quarterback, if he's in a room being interviewed with his uncle, I want the quarterback to be the dominant presence in the room to where his uncle is afraid to speak out of turn. Little things, but the little things add up to make me uncomfortable about Russell.

Now Quinn, on the other hand...has all the physical tools you could ask for and then some. But, the thing that he really has going for him that has to get your attention for this position is an A++ work ethic and competitive spirit. We're talking borderline neurosis. That's what you want in a quarterback. You don't necessarily want the most perfectly adjusted and likeable guy in the locker room at that position. You want a guy that cares so much about the competition over who will be the first quarterback taken that he avoids contact or being overly friendly with his competition. You want a guy that takes boxing lessons with his pro heavyweight boxer teammate (Tom Zbikowski) because many of the lessons on throwing great punches help you throw great passes on the football field. You want a guy that goes on vacation with his girlfriend in the islands, and cares so much about his body and physical fitness, that he and his girlfriend pay for a gym membership in the islands to keep in shape while they are there. You want a guy that is such an avid gym rat that as a quarterback he throws up the 225 pound bar more times (24) than any other quarterback that bothered doing the exercise, and more times than all but one tight end at the Combine (Daniel Coats did 34 reps, a blocking TE out of BYU). You want a guy that will voluntarily walk out of the Patriots' facility with tapes of every throw Tom Brady has ever made in Charlie Weis' offense, and spend an entire summer absorbing his style.

Kind of psycho, huh? But, that's what you want. You want a psycho workaholic as your quarterback, a guy that doesn't accept failure from anyone, least of all himself. Everyone knows that running drills aren't terribly important for quarterbacks, but Quinn has to do them at his pro day, so what does he do? If you have to do them, might as well do them really well. So, he goes out there with a 36 inch vertical, 1.62/2.75/4.73 in the 10/20/40, a 9'7" broad jump, a 4.22 second shuttle, and a 6.79 cone drill...all at 6'4" and 232 pounds. I crunch these kinds of numbers, it is what I do, and trust me when I say that among ALL players in his weight class (+/- 10 lbs), he ranked #13 of 55 in athleticism terms...about as good as Lawrence Timmons. Now, you ask yourself, does Brady Quinn just wake up in the morning, slap on a pair of jeans, and look as great of an athlete as guys like Lawrence Timmons and Aaron Rouse? No. It took hard work and a whole lot of training to achieve those numbers. But why go through that, you're a quarterback and certainly nobody thinks of you as a running quarterback, so why put in all that time and effort training up for drills that don't really matter? Because if you're going to do them, you might as well do them well...

That is why I see a lot of similarities between Brady Quinn and Peyton Manning...and Tom Brady. Because he immediately becomes one of the hardest-working men in the quarterbacking game.

Oh, and not to mention he throws the ball pretty god damn well.

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 10:59 AM
The Dolphins met with Brady Quinn at the NFL Combine and the Senior Bowl. They watched Quinn's workout at Notre Dame intently. During the Combine they gave Quinn an extremely tough chalk talk session where they asked him to draw up as many of Notre Dame's plays as possible. Cameron promised that at their next meeting, he's going to ask Brady to do the same exact thing, except time him to only 60 seconds. From what I hear, this private meeting they have with Quinn is actually going to be at Notre Dame...the staff are flying the private jet up there to meet with him. They may decide to bring him back to Davie for a day at the office, they may not. This is all extremely important when deciding whether they should be spending an extra draft pick to go up and get him.

The asking price to move up from #9 to #6 should be the Dolphins' 3rd round pick, #71 overall. They might be forced to toss in a 6th for good measure.

It is interesting that someone brought up the Peyton vs. Eli thing...because I see that playing out at the top of this draft. Jamarcus Russell is the most physically gifted slinger to come out since...well, maybe not EVER, but it's close. The ball flies off his hands, and he's damn accurate too.

But, his lax attitude makes me think very much of Eli "I let my family do all the talking for me" Manning. I don't question whether he loves the game of football, rather I question whether he's willing to put in the work to be all that he can be in the game of football. He shows up to the Combine, the most important job interview of his life, and he's got flab all over his torso. Nick Saban benched the guy a few times, claiming that Jamarcus just doesn't know how good he could be, if he would only work at it. Is he a true leader among his teammates? I don't know that he is.

His 2006 season was truly an awesome season. His accuracy, the way he pushed the ball down the field, everything a great year...much like Brady Quinn's 2005 season. But what was the catalyst for this great season? Why was he such an underachiever prior to 2006, and then he broke out in 2006? His supporters will claim that the light clicked on for him, that he started working hard like Nick Saban always told him to and it paid off. I'm not buying it. There may have been a little of that going on, but I think the catalysts were entirely exogenous in nature.

Fact of the matter is that he already had a good WRs unit in 2005, but in 2006 they broke out in a big way. Dwayne Bowe had corrective eye surgery prior to 2006 and all the sudden he stopped dropping the ball, became the first round WR we all see right now. Craig "Buster" Davis always had some of the best hands in the SEC, and a good speed/size combo, but prior to the 2006 he spent a summer with the Mannings up in Manning camp and came out of that camp running precise routes like Marvin Harrison. He has now become a borderline first round WR in the eyes of many scouts. Early Doucet was a frosh in 2005, and by his sophomore year he's already become a typhoon of speed and play-making talent, like a poor man's Ted Ginn Jr.

So I don't think that 2006 stands as proof that Jamarcus has "grown up" at all. He still needs to prove that he has, and he certainly did a very poor job of that at the Combine. I also look at interviews with him and his uncle where his uncle keeps basically speaking for him, and it does remind me a lot of Eli Manning. Maybe it's just me, but the guy I want to draft at quarterback, if he's in a room being interviewed with his uncle, I want the quarterback to be the dominant presence in the room to where his uncle is afraid to speak out of turn. Little things, but the little things add up to make me uncomfortable about Russell.

Now Quinn, on the other hand...has all the physical tools you could ask for and then some. But, the thing that he really has going for him that has to get your attention for this position is an A++ work ethic and competitive spirit. We're talking borderline neurosis. That's what you want in a quarterback. You don't necessarily want the most perfectly adjusted and likeable guy in the locker room at that position. You want a guy that cares so much about the competition over who will be the first quarterback taken that he avoids contact or being overly friendly with his competition. You want a guy that takes boxing lessons with his pro heavyweight boxer teammate (Tom Zbikowski) because many of the lessons on throwing great punches help you throw great passes on the football field. You want a guy that goes on vacation with his girlfriend in the islands, and cares so much about his body and physical fitness, that he and his girlfriend pay for a gym membership in the islands to keep in shape while they are there. You want a guy that is such an avid gym rat that as a quarterback he throws up the 225 pound bar more times (24) than any other quarterback that bothered doing the exercise, and more times than all but one tight end at the Combine (Daniel Coats did 34 reps, a blocking TE out of BYU). You want a guy that will voluntarily walk out of the Patriots' facility with tapes of every throw Tom Brady has ever made in Charlie Weis' offense, and spend an entire summer absorbing his style.

Kind of psycho, huh? But, that's what you want. You want a psycho workaholic as your quarterback, a guy that doesn't accept failure from anyone, least of all himself. Everyone knows that running drills aren't terribly important for quarterbacks, but Quinn has to do them at his pro day, so what does he do? If you have to do them, might as well do them really well. So, he goes out there with a 36 inch vertical, 1.62/2.75/4.73 in the 10/20/40, a 9'7" broad jump, a 4.22 second shuttle, and a 6.79 cone drill...all at 6'4" and 232 pounds. I crunch these kinds of numbers, it is what I do, and trust me when I say that among ALL players in his weight class (+/- 10 lbs), he ranked #13 of 55 in athleticism terms...about as good as Lawrence Timmons. Now, you ask yourself, does Brady Quinn just wake up in the morning, slap on a pair of jeans, and look as great of an athlete as guys like Lawrence Timmons and Aaron Rouse? No. It took hard work and a whole lot of training to achieve those numbers. But why go through that, you're a quarterback and certainly nobody thinks of you as a running quarterback, so why put in all that time and effort training up for drills that don't really matter? Because if you're going to do them, you might as well do them well...

That is why I see a lot of similarities between Brady Quinn and Peyton Manning...and Tom Brady. Because he immediately becomes one of the hardest-working men in the quarterbacking game.

Oh, and not to mention he throws the ball pretty god damn well.


WOW!!!!!

:goof: ....Impressive as always CK!!

Namor
04-05-2007, 11:04 AM
I agree with CK,Brady's work ethic (film study/leadership/
gym rat/etc)is what impresses me more than his physical
skills,which I think are great.It is also what separates him
from the Ryan Leaf's/Akili Smiths of the world.
I'd trade the farm for Brady Quinn.

tmny99
04-05-2007, 11:07 AM
Awesome write up on Quinn. I really do think we are enamored enough with him to trade up.

Crunkcore
04-05-2007, 11:14 AM
i'd love to get brady but i'm actuallty hoping we like what we see from another QB cuz Brady would probably cost us our 1st 3 picks right ? I dunno if spending all that on a QB is the best thing for this franchise. Look what the giants gave up for ELI, they could have had Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding !!
Do you want to be saying something like that about us if a QB selected later performs as well or better than Quinn ?

Hopefully we don't give up that much if we get Quinn.

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 11:23 AM
The Dolphins met with Brady Quinn at the NFL Combine and the Senior Bowl. They watched Quinn's workout at Notre Dame intently. During the Combine they gave Quinn an extremely tough chalk talk session where they asked him to draw up as many of Notre Dame's plays as possible. Cameron promised that at their next meeting, he's going to ask Brady to do the same exact thing, except time him to only 60 seconds. From what I hear, this private meeting they have with Quinn is actually going to be at Notre Dame...the staff are flying the private jet up there to meet with him. They may decide to bring him back to Davie for a day at the office, they may not. This is all extremely important when deciding whether they should be spending an extra draft pick to go up and get him.

The asking price to move up from #9 to #6 should be the Dolphins' 3rd round pick, #71 overall. They might be forced to toss in a 6th for good measure.

It is interesting that someone brought up the Peyton vs. Eli thing...because I see that playing out at the top of this draft. Jamarcus Russell is the most physically gifted slinger to come out since...well, maybe not EVER, but it's close. The ball flies off his hands, and he's damn accurate too.

But, his lax attitude makes me think very much of Eli "I let my family do all the talking for me" Manning. I don't question whether he loves the game of football, rather I question whether he's willing to put in the work to be all that he can be in the game of football. He shows up to the Combine, the most important job interview of his life, and he's got flab all over his torso. Nick Saban benched the guy a few times, claiming that Jamarcus just doesn't know how good he could be, if he would only work at it. Is he a true leader among his teammates? I don't know that he is.

His 2006 season was truly an awesome season. His accuracy, the way he pushed the ball down the field, everything a great year...much like Brady Quinn's 2005 season. But what was the catalyst for this great season? Why was he such an underachiever prior to 2006, and then he broke out in 2006? His supporters will claim that the light clicked on for him, that he started working hard like Nick Saban always told him to and it paid off. I'm not buying it. There may have been a little of that going on, but I think the catalysts were entirely exogenous in nature.

Fact of the matter is that he already had a good WRs unit in 2005, but in 2006 they broke out in a big way. Dwayne Bowe had corrective eye surgery prior to 2006 and all the sudden he stopped dropping the ball, became the first round WR we all see right now. Craig "Buster" Davis always had some of the best hands in the SEC, and a good speed/size combo, but prior to the 2006 he spent a summer with the Mannings up in Manning camp and came out of that camp running precise routes like Marvin Harrison. He has now become a borderline first round WR in the eyes of many scouts. Early Doucet was a frosh in 2005, and by his sophomore year he's already become a typhoon of speed and play-making talent, like a poor man's Ted Ginn Jr.

So I don't think that 2006 stands as proof that Jamarcus has "grown up" at all. He still needs to prove that he has, and he certainly did a very poor job of that at the Combine. I also look at interviews with him and his uncle where his uncle keeps basically speaking for him, and it does remind me a lot of Eli Manning. Maybe it's just me, but the guy I want to draft at quarterback, if he's in a room being interviewed with his uncle, I want the quarterback to be the dominant presence in the room to where his uncle is afraid to speak out of turn. Little things, but the little things add up to make me uncomfortable about Russell.

Now Quinn, on the other hand...has all the physical tools you could ask for and then some. But, the thing that he really has going for him that has to get your attention for this position is an A++ work ethic and competitive spirit. We're talking borderline neurosis. That's what you want in a quarterback. You don't necessarily want the most perfectly adjusted and likeable guy in the locker room at that position. You want a guy that cares so much about the competition over who will be the first quarterback taken that he avoids contact or being overly friendly with his competition. You want a guy that takes boxing lessons with his pro heavyweight boxer teammate (Tom Zbikowski) because many of the lessons on throwing great punches help you throw great passes on the football field. You want a guy that goes on vacation with his girlfriend in the islands, and cares so much about his body and physical fitness, that he and his girlfriend pay for a gym membership in the islands to keep in shape while they are there. You want a guy that is such an avid gym rat that as a quarterback he throws up the 225 pound bar more times (24) than any other quarterback that bothered doing the exercise, and more times than all but one tight end at the Combine (Daniel Coats did 34 reps, a blocking TE out of BYU). You want a guy that will voluntarily walk out of the Patriots' facility with tapes of every throw Tom Brady has ever made in Charlie Weis' offense, and spend an entire summer absorbing his style.

Kind of psycho, huh? But, that's what you want. You want a psycho workaholic as your quarterback, a guy that doesn't accept failure from anyone, least of all himself. Everyone knows that running drills aren't terribly important for quarterbacks, but Quinn has to do them at his pro day, so what does he do? If you have to do them, might as well do them really well. So, he goes out there with a 36 inch vertical, 1.62/2.75/4.73 in the 10/20/40, a 9'7" broad jump, a 4.22 second shuttle, and a 6.79 cone drill...all at 6'4" and 232 pounds. I crunch these kinds of numbers, it is what I do, and trust me when I say that among ALL players in his weight class (+/- 10 lbs), he ranked #13 of 55 in athleticism terms...about as good as Lawrence Timmons. Now, you ask yourself, does Brady Quinn just wake up in the morning, slap on a pair of jeans, and look as great of an athlete as guys like Lawrence Timmons and Aaron Rouse? No. It took hard work and a whole lot of training to achieve those numbers. But why go through that, you're a quarterback and certainly nobody thinks of you as a running quarterback, so why put in all that time and effort training up for drills that don't really matter? Because if you're going to do them, you might as well do them well...

That is why I see a lot of similarities between Brady Quinn and Peyton Manning...and Tom Brady. Because he immediately becomes one of the hardest-working men in the quarterbacking game.

Oh, and not to mention he throws the ball pretty god damn well.
Wow. The man crush for Quinn just astonishes me. I`ll give you that it was a fairly lengthy analysis but I would also say it was highly selective. First, and perhaps most important, nowhere do you mention the fact that Brady Quinn failed to win the big game. I`ve heard it manyn times that his O-line was pathetic, he didn`t have the same quality WRs as Russell, on and on. Simply put, these are just excuses. You are correct is saying Russell has the best arm to ever come out of college but when you speak of Brady`s arm, I think you are being very generous. His arm is OK, it is not great by any means. I rememebr hearing the same thing about Carr`s arm when he came out of college. Quinn has trouble with the deep and intermediate ball. Not that this would preclude him from having success in the NFL -and conversely, Russell`s arm does not guarantee success (see Jeaf George)- but let`s not overstate the guy`s arm.
You talk about Quinn`s work ethic, which while admirable, also does not translate into success. There is something very off putting about Quinn (cockiness, sense of self entitlement) that I just don`t like, and I think will hurt him throughout his career. The comparisons to Brady are just laughable. Trust me, Brady QUinn will not come close to Tom Brady as far as success is concerned. Incidentally, you mention that you want a guy who is not friendly with the competition. Well, I think that is a lot of hooey. You can be friendly ( Tom Brady and J Taylor) and still be fierce competitors. Sometimes, the false animosity that exists between competing teams can distract from the game at hand, especially when you`re talking about a QB.
I`ve said it many times before on this site: Brady Quinn is one of the most overrated players to come out of college in a long while. He has been hyped primarily beacuse he plays for the Fighting Irish, America`s favourite college football team. He may have some success in the NFL, but to compare him to Brady, or even Peyotn for that matter, is a big stretch. If he falls to us at nine, I think we would be well served to trade out of the position and get some more picks. Brady Quinn is not the answer.

LemonPepper
04-05-2007, 12:28 PM
It may cost less but the gamble is less likely to succeed. There are a lot of non-1st round QB's that pass through the draft and very few are currently starters. You aren't going to find a Tom Brady everywhere all the time in the draft. Stanton, if he does succeed, will probably need 3-5 years to groom to a decent level as a starter. Likewise for Edwards, though considering I have a strong anti-Stanford bias, I would think he'd never become anything more than a NFL Europe football backup.

There are a plenty of 1st round QB's that don't become franchise QB's or even decent QB's. Taking a QB in the first round does not mean he will become a franchise player. Draft status is way overrated.

nick1
04-05-2007, 12:41 PM
we would have to trade up into the top 3 to get him, Detriot is expected to go QB and so is Oakland and Cleveland. so the top 3 in no particular order will be C.Johnson, J.Russel, and B.Quinn

Regan21286
04-05-2007, 12:45 PM
The Dolphins met with Brady Quinn at the NFL Combine and the Senior Bowl. They watched Quinn's workout at Notre Dame intently. During the Combine they gave Quinn an extremely tough chalk talk session where they asked him to draw up as many of Notre Dame's plays as possible. Cameron promised that at their next meeting, he's going to ask Brady to do the same exact thing, except time him to only 60 seconds. From what I hear, this private meeting they have with Quinn is actually going to be at Notre Dame...the staff are flying the private jet up there to meet with him. They may decide to bring him back to Davie for a day at the office, they may not. This is all extremely important when deciding whether they should be spending an extra draft pick to go up and get him.

The asking price to move up from #9 to #6 should be the Dolphins' 3rd round pick, #71 overall. They might be forced to toss in a 6th for good measure.

It is interesting that someone brought up the Peyton vs. Eli thing...because I see that playing out at the top of this draft. Jamarcus Russell is the most physically gifted slinger to come out since...well, maybe not EVER, but it's close. The ball flies off his hands, and he's damn accurate too.

But, his lax attitude makes me think very much of Eli "I let my family do all the talking for me" Manning. I don't question whether he loves the game of football, rather I question whether he's willing to put in the work to be all that he can be in the game of football. He shows up to the Combine, the most important job interview of his life, and he's got flab all over his torso. Nick Saban benched the guy a few times, claiming that Jamarcus just doesn't know how good he could be, if he would only work at it. Is he a true leader among his teammates? I don't know that he is.

His 2006 season was truly an awesome season. His accuracy, the way he pushed the ball down the field, everything a great year...much like Brady Quinn's 2005 season. But what was the catalyst for this great season? Why was he such an underachiever prior to 2006, and then he broke out in 2006? His supporters will claim that the light clicked on for him, that he started working hard like Nick Saban always told him to and it paid off. I'm not buying it. There may have been a little of that going on, but I think the catalysts were entirely exogenous in nature.

Fact of the matter is that he already had a good WRs unit in 2005, but in 2006 they broke out in a big way. Dwayne Bowe had corrective eye surgery prior to 2006 and all the sudden he stopped dropping the ball, became the first round WR we all see right now. Craig "Buster" Davis always had some of the best hands in the SEC, and a good speed/size combo, but prior to the 2006 he spent a summer with the Mannings up in Manning camp and came out of that camp running precise routes like Marvin Harrison. He has now become a borderline first round WR in the eyes of many scouts. Early Doucet was a frosh in 2005, and by his sophomore year he's already become a typhoon of speed and play-making talent, like a poor man's Ted Ginn Jr.

So I don't think that 2006 stands as proof that Jamarcus has "grown up" at all. He still needs to prove that he has, and he certainly did a very poor job of that at the Combine. I also look at interviews with him and his uncle where his uncle keeps basically speaking for him, and it does remind me a lot of Eli Manning. Maybe it's just me, but the guy I want to draft at quarterback, if he's in a room being interviewed with his uncle, I want the quarterback to be the dominant presence in the room to where his uncle is afraid to speak out of turn. Little things, but the little things add up to make me uncomfortable about Russell.

Now Quinn, on the other hand...has all the physical tools you could ask for and then some. But, the thing that he really has going for him that has to get your attention for this position is an A++ work ethic and competitive spirit. We're talking borderline neurosis. That's what you want in a quarterback. You don't necessarily want the most perfectly adjusted and likeable guy in the locker room at that position. You want a guy that cares so much about the competition over who will be the first quarterback taken that he avoids contact or being overly friendly with his competition. You want a guy that takes boxing lessons with his pro heavyweight boxer teammate (Tom Zbikowski) because many of the lessons on throwing great punches help you throw great passes on the football field. You want a guy that goes on vacation with his girlfriend in the islands, and cares so much about his body and physical fitness, that he and his girlfriend pay for a gym membership in the islands to keep in shape while they are there. You want a guy that is such an avid gym rat that as a quarterback he throws up the 225 pound bar more times (24) than any other quarterback that bothered doing the exercise, and more times than all but one tight end at the Combine (Daniel Coats did 34 reps, a blocking TE out of BYU). You want a guy that will voluntarily walk out of the Patriots' facility with tapes of every throw Tom Brady has ever made in Charlie Weis' offense, and spend an entire summer absorbing his style.

Kind of psycho, huh? But, that's what you want. You want a psycho workaholic as your quarterback, a guy that doesn't accept failure from anyone, least of all himself. Everyone knows that running drills aren't terribly important for quarterbacks, but Quinn has to do them at his pro day, so what does he do? If you have to do them, might as well do them really well. So, he goes out there with a 36 inch vertical, 1.62/2.75/4.73 in the 10/20/40, a 9'7" broad jump, a 4.22 second shuttle, and a 6.79 cone drill...all at 6'4" and 232 pounds. I crunch these kinds of numbers, it is what I do, and trust me when I say that among ALL players in his weight class (+/- 10 lbs), he ranked #13 of 55 in athleticism terms...about as good as Lawrence Timmons. Now, you ask yourself, does Brady Quinn just wake up in the morning, slap on a pair of jeans, and look as great of an athlete as guys like Lawrence Timmons and Aaron Rouse? No. It took hard work and a whole lot of training to achieve those numbers. But why go through that, you're a quarterback and certainly nobody thinks of you as a running quarterback, so why put in all that time and effort training up for drills that don't really matter? Because if you're going to do them, you might as well do them well...

That is why I see a lot of similarities between Brady Quinn and Peyton Manning...and Tom Brady. Because he immediately becomes one of the hardest-working men in the quarterbacking game.

Oh, and not to mention he throws the ball pretty god damn well.

Kudos. Sums up about everything.


There are a plenty of 1st round QB's that don't become franchise QB's or even decent QB's. Taking a QB in the first round does not mean he will become a franchise player. Draft status is way overrated.

Of course. But usually QB's that have consistently been regarded as a 1st round pick throughout their college careers tend to fare well rather than flash in the pans.

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 01:20 PM
Kudos. Sums up about everything.



Of course. But usually QB's that have consistently been regarded as a 1st round pick throughout their college careers tend to fare well rather than flash in the pans.
And on what basis did you reach that conclusion. Need I remind you of Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Akilli Smith, Joey HArrington. All of these guys were touted-and touted throughout their careers- as being first roundetrs. SOme even said they were can`t miss prospects. The QB position is the hardest to fill. I`m not opposed to drafting a QB in the first but I am if his name is Brady Quinn. Don`t believe the hype.
If there is a QB who deserves this hype, it should be Russell.

Regan21286
04-05-2007, 01:27 PM
And on what basis did you reach that conclusion. Need I remind you of Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Akilli Smith, Joey HArrington. All of these guys were touted-and touted throughout their careers- as being first roundetrs. SOme even said they were can`t miss prospects. The QB position is the hardest to fill. I`m not opposed to drafting a QB in the first but I am if his name is Brady Quinn. Don`t believe the hype.
If there is a QB who deserves this hype, it should be Russell.

The last 3 were Tedford QB's. Scouts now know that Tedford QB's really suck in the pros and are no longer touted. Ryan Leaf is what happens when you pick brawn over brain, which could be the case with Russell.

ckparrothead
04-05-2007, 01:35 PM
Wow. The man crush for Quinn just astonishes me. I`ll give you that it was a fairly lengthy analysis but I would also say it was highly selective. First, and perhaps most important, nowhere do you mention the fact that Brady Quinn failed to win the big game. I`ve heard it manyn times that his O-line was pathetic, he didn`t have the same quality WRs as Russell, on and on. Simply put, these are just excuses. You are correct is saying Russell has the best arm to ever come out of college but when you speak of Brady`s arm, I think you are being very generous. His arm is OK, it is not great by any means. I rememebr hearing the same thing about Carr`s arm when he came out of college. Quinn has trouble with the deep and intermediate ball. Not that this would preclude him from having success in the NFL -and conversely, Russell`s arm does not guarantee success (see Jeaf George)- but let`s not overstate the guy`s arm.
You talk about Quinn`s work ethic, which while admirable, also does not translate into success. There is something very off putting about Quinn (cockiness, sense of self entitlement) that I just don`t like, and I think will hurt him throughout his career. The comparisons to Brady are just laughable. Trust me, Brady QUinn will not come close to Tom Brady as far as success is concerned. Incidentally, you mention that you want a guy who is not friendly with the competition. Well, I think that is a lot of hooey. You can be friendly ( Tom Brady and J Taylor) and still be fierce competitors. Sometimes, the false animosity that exists between competing teams can distract from the game at hand, especially when you`re talking about a QB.
I`ve said it many times before on this site: Brady Quinn is one of the most overrated players to come out of college in a long while. He has been hyped primarily beacuse he plays for the Fighting Irish, America`s favourite college football team. He may have some success in the NFL, but to compare him to Brady, or even Peyotn for that matter, is a big stretch. If he falls to us at nine, I think we would be well served to trade out of the position and get some more picks. Brady Quinn is not the answer.

Yes, because obviously your excellent and detailed analysis, which basically amounts to "excuses are for a-holes" and "he never won the big game", obviously presents all sides of the story. Oh how stupid of me, to go on such detailed fact finding missions when it was really so simple, right in front of me the entire time...excuses are for a-holes! Gosh. How did I miss that?

Damn my eyes for actually taking the time and effort to analyze Brady Quinn on a throw-for-throw basis to figure out what happened in his losses. Damn my unbastioned stupidity for considering victories against Georgia Tech, UCLA, and Michigan to be big wins. How dare I actually look at his performance against USC in 2005 and discern how he brought his team to the brink of victory only to have it snatched away in the final seconds by a porous defense that allowed a ridiculous 4th down completion to Dwayne Jarrett after Quinn had put up the go-ahead touchdown. Such knowledge is dangerous! It can only lead to corruption! Burn the stat sheets! Burn the books!

It's quite obvious that I've been mesmerized by the mystique of the Touchdown Jesus, I have been corrupted by America's darling team which I happen to not like, coached by a coach whom I absolutely loath. But that is simply beside the point. I *must* like Brady Quinn only because he plays at Notre Dame, regardless of my lack of respect for the Fighting Irish and my detestation of their coach. It couldn't have possibly been objective analysis that led me to my conclusions, no way jose!

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 01:40 PM
Yes, because obviously your excellent and detailed analysis, which basically amounts to "excuses are for a-holes" and "he never won the big game", obviously presents all sides of the story. Oh how stupid of me, to go on such detailed fact finding missions when it was really so simple, right in front of me the entire time...excuses are for a-holes! Gosh. How did I miss that?

Damn my eyes for actually taking the time and effort to analyze Brady Quinn on a throw-for-throw basis to figure out what happened in his losses. Damn my unbastioned stupidity for considering victories against Georgia Tech, UCLA, and Michigan to be big wins. How dare I actually look at his performance against USC in 2005 and discern how he brought his team to the brink of victory only to have it snatched away in the final seconds by a porous defense that allowed a ridiculous 4th down completion to Dwayne Jarrett after Quinn had put up the go-ahead touchdown. Such knowledge is dangerous! It can only lead to corruption! Burn the stat sheets! Burn the books!

It's quite obvious that I've been mesmerized by the mystique of the Touchdown Jesus, I have been corrupted by America's darling team which I happen to not like, coached by a coach whom I absolutely loath. But that is simply beside the point. I *must* like Brady Quinn only because he plays at Notre Dame, regardless of my lack of respect for the Fighting Irish and my detestation of their coach. It couldn't have possibly been objective analysis that led me to my conclusions, no way jose!


Am I sensing sarcasm....lol....j/k CK.....you my boy.....:goof:

ckparrothead
04-05-2007, 02:06 PM
Am I sensing sarcasm....lol....j/k CK.....you my boy.....:goof:

Just a pinch, heh.

Mcganiel
04-05-2007, 02:07 PM
Yes, because obviously your excellent and detailed analysis, which basically amounts to "excuses are for a-holes" and "he never won the big game", obviously presents all sides of the story. Oh how stupid of me, to go on such detailed fact finding missions when it was really so simple, right in front of me the entire time...excuses are for a-holes! Gosh. How did I miss that?

Damn my eyes for actually taking the time and effort to analyze Brady Quinn on a throw-for-throw basis to figure out what happened in his losses. Damn my unbastioned stupidity for considering victories against Georgia Tech, UCLA, and Michigan to be big wins. How dare I actually look at his performance against USC in 2005 and discern how he brought his team to the brink of victory only to have it snatched away in the final seconds by a porous defense that allowed a ridiculous 4th down completion to Dwayne Jarrett after Quinn had put up the go-ahead touchdown. Such knowledge is dangerous! It can only lead to corruption! Burn the stat sheets! Burn the books!

It's quite obvious that I've been mesmerized by the mystique of the Touchdown Jesus, I have been corrupted by America's darling team which I happen to not like, coached by a coach whom I absolutely loath. But that is simply beside the point. I *must* like Brady Quinn only because he plays at Notre Dame, regardless of my lack of respect for the Fighting Irish and my detestation of their coach. It couldn't have possibly been objective analysis that led me to my conclusions, no way jose!

WOW :sidelol: BURNED

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:08 PM
we would have to trade up into the top 3 to get him, Detriot is expected to go QB and so is Oakland and Cleveland. so the top 3 in no particular order will be C.Johnson, J.Russel, and B.Quinn
I wouldn`t bank on it. Russell is a lock to go in the top three. Johnson -who I definintely think is worthy of a top three- is not a sure thing because Oakland doesn`t need a WR, Detroit has gone WR however many times and Cleveland has Edwards. If Quinn goes in the top three, I would expect that GM to be fired in the next four or five years.

HULKFish
04-05-2007, 02:11 PM
i'd love to get brady but i'm actuallty hoping we like what we see from another QB cuz Brady would probably cost us our 1st 3 picks right ? I dunno if spending all that on a QB is the best thing for this franchise. Look what the giants gave up for ELI, they could have had Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding !!
Do you want to be saying something like that about us if a QB selected later performs as well or better than Quinn ?


I'm whitcha' man... Good post!

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 02:12 PM
Just a pinch, heh.


Lord knows with you being a Draft Guru, PM and all that jazz....you obviously have not one clue and are not reliable as far as good info.....hehehhehe.....:evil:

Shame for shame....j/k....MUHAHAHAHAHAHA....:bighug:

nick1
04-05-2007, 02:20 PM
I wouldn`t bank on it. Russell is a lock to go in the top three. Johnson -who I definintely think is worthy of a top three- is not a sure thing because Oakland doesn`t need a WR, Detroit has gone WR however many times and Cleveland has Edwards. If Quinn goes in the top three, I would expect that GM to be fired in the next four or five years.

:confused:

okay assume the Raiders take Russel, who do you have Detriot taking? they don't need Joe Thomas, who else is top 3 worthy? Brady Quinn and Calvin Johnson, you could make a case for AP but Detriot thinks they are set at RB. Detriot could always trade down but trades are rare. they need a future QB so Brady Quinn is the only option that makes sense

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:24 PM
Stop trying to circumvent the profanity filters !

Yes, because obviously your excellent and detailed analysis, which basically amounts to "excuses are for a-holes" and "he never won the big game", obviously presents all sides of the story. Oh how stupid of me, to go on such detailed fact finding missions when it was really so simple, right in front of me the entire time...excuses are for a-holes! Gosh. How did I miss that?

Damn my eyes for actually taking the time and effort to analyze Brady Quinn on a throw-for-throw basis to figure out what happened in his losses. Damn my unbastioned stupidity for considering victories against Georgia Tech, UCLA, and Michigan to be big wins. How dare I actually look at his performance against USC in 2005 and discern how he brought his team to the brink of victory only to have it snatched away in the final seconds by a porous defense that allowed a ridiculous 4th down completion to Dwayne Jarrett after Quinn had put up the go-ahead touchdown. Such knowledge is dangerous! It can only lead to corruption! Burn the stat sheets! Burn the books!

It's quite obvious that I've been mesmerized by the mystique of the Touchdown Jesus, I have been corrupted by America's darling team which I happen to not like, coached by a coach whom I absolutely loath. But that is simply beside the point. I *must* like Brady Quinn only because he plays at Notre Dame, regardless of my lack of respect for the Fighting Irish and my detestation of their coach. It couldn't have possibly been objective analysis that led me to my conclusions, no way jose!
Again, if you have a crush on Quinn then that is between you and him. I find it interesting that you attribute several arguments to me when I myself never made the points. The priciple reasons I am not in love with Quinn, as others are, is as I mentioned several times -note: your reaction to my analysis seems to be so enmotionally charged that I can only assume that it is based on a subjective and biased opinion- his arm is not that great, he didn`t win the big games (and yes, I have heard your explanation of the USC game countless times, but in the end my friend, he lost the game; hardly reason to celebrate the fact he is a clutch performer. Also what happended in all those other big gamesÉ), and he has a me first attitude ( a la Ryan Leaf). The fact that you chose to ignore all the points and lampoon my post suggests that you have perhaps an unhealthy love for Quinn. Perhaps, your ebulliance is due to an infatuation with a player, whom I personally feel is hyped.
Some people don`t know their REMOVED from a hole in the groud. I find that people who are high on Quinn generally fall into this category. If Quinn is as good as you advertise, then I can assure you there would be no discussion about him possibly slipping to nine.
It`s Ojk to admit that you have an apparently unhealthy love for the Fighting Irish and Quinn . Just let it out man, why the secrecy. Closets are for clothes.

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:28 PM
:confused:

okay assume the Raiders take Russel, who do you have Detriot taking? they don't need Joe Thomas, who else is top 3 worthy? Brady Quinn and Calvin Johnson, you could make a case for AP but Detriot thinks they are set at RB. Detriot could always trade down but trades are rare. they need a future QB so Brady Quinn is the only option that makes sense
If Russell goes to Oaklnad, and Quinn falls to Detroit (as you yourself suggest), then that leaves Cleveland, and according to your thoery (Johnson, Russell and quINN WILL ALL GO IN THE TOP 3), taking CJ. I find it hard to beleive that they will take CJ (as good as he is) when they took Edwards 2 years ago.

nick1
04-05-2007, 02:33 PM
If Russell goes to Oaklnad, and Quinn falls to Detroit (as you yourself suggest), then that leaves Cleveland, and according to your thoery (Johnson, Russell and quINN WILL ALL GO IN THE TOP 3), taking CJ. I find it hard to beleive that they will take CJ (as good as he is) when they took Edwards 2 years ago.

you can make the case that the top 3 won't be as I suggested and I could be wrong, I admit that. but my point is that Brady Quinn won't make it past Cleveland at #3. I like Quinn as much as anyone but we aren't going to be able to get him unless we trade into the top 3.

DefensiveEnd#76
04-05-2007, 02:34 PM
Far too many people think that Brady Quinn is Tom Brady simply because Charlie Weiss is Quinn's coach. I think Quinn will be closer to Joey Harrington then Tom Brady when he gets to the NFL. I think Quinn has bust written all over him. I hope we don't draft him.

DefensiveEnd#76
04-05-2007, 02:36 PM
I think Calvin Johnson has everything needed to be a tremendous success in the NFL. I think he's a safe bet for any team picking in the top 5.

nick1
04-05-2007, 02:36 PM
Far too many people think that Brady Quinn is Tom Brady simply because Charlie Weiss is Quinn's coach. I think Quinn will be closer to Joey Harrington then Tom Brady when he gets to the NFL. I think Quinn has bust written all over him. I hope we don't draft him.

care to explain?

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:41 PM
You don't get banned for disagreeing...you get banned for violating the TOS with personal attacks and circumventing the profanity filters. Get that fact straight and learn the rules

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:43 PM
Far too many people think that Brady Quinn is Tom Brady simply because Charlie Weiss is Quinn's coach. I think Quinn will be closer to Joey Harrington then Tom Brady when he gets to the NFL. I think Quinn has bust written all over him. I hope we don't draft him.


please keep on topic, this will only get you warning points, post about the topic, not about posters

Kendall
04-05-2007, 02:45 PM
For those of you who think draft position doesn't matter lets take a look at that.
Over the past 10 years here.

1st round
Vince Young ~ Starting
Matt Leinart ~ Starting
Jay Cutler ~ Starting
Alex Smith ~ Starting
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning ~ Starting
Philip Rivers ~ Starting
Ben Roethlisberger ~ Starting
J.P. Losman ~ Starting
Carson Palmer ~ Starting
Byron Leftwich ~ Starting
Kyle Boller ~
Rex Grossman ~ Starting
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick ~ Starting
Chad Pennington ~ Starting
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb ~ Starting
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper ~ ?
Cade McNown
Peyton Manning ~ Starting
Ryan Leaf
Jim Druckenmiller

2nd and 3rd rounds
Kellen Clemens
Tarvaris Jackson
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Charlie Frye
Matt Schaub ~ Starting
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Josh McCown
Drew Brees ~ Starting
Quincy Carter
Marques Tuiasosopo
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman
Shaun King
Brock Huard ~ Starting (presumedly)
Charlie Batch
Jonathan Quinn
Brian Griese
Jake Plummer

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:46 PM
you can make the case that the top 3 won't be as I suggested and I could be wrong, I admit that. but my point is that Brady Quinn won't make it past Cleveland at #3. I like Quinn as much as anyone but we aren't going to be able to get him unless we trade into the top 3.
You could be right about Quinn going in the top three but I`m fine with another NFL team making such a mistake. As long as we don`t take Quinn at nine, or god forbid trade jup to take him, then I`ll be a happy camper.

DefensiveEnd#76
04-05-2007, 02:47 PM
Draft guru...:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol: Sorry, but this is just too funny. I find it hilarious that there are so many on this site that take CK and Boomer`s word as gospel. Hey, it`s great that they contribute and spend some time writing posts and doing `` analysis``` but why is it that any time someone differs form their opinions, out comes an army of their defenders screaming `` don`t you dare knock the word of the high priests of football. I`ve been banned for disagreeing with Boomer in the past, and I`m sure there will be mods out there just waiitng to put another ban on me for this message trail.
At the end of the day, CK took quite a bit of space to dismiss my point. Obviously a raw nerve was touched. Sometimes the truth hurts. What ever happened to the notion of just ignoring somethingn that you thought was ridiculous. I suspect that CK`s urge to resppond was based on the fact that , like many others in the know, I can see Brady Quinn for what he is , which is an over hyped player whose chances of success in the NFL are not great. CK has been praising this guy for quite some time now, and I suspect he may be a little embarassed that his prediction is being challenged.
My suggestion to you CK is to get over it. We are all wrong at some point in our lives. Even if you have spent hours (maybe even days) anaylysing Quinn, it won`t make him a better player.

I agree. I highly doubt that any fans on this site spend more time analyzing a player more then teams scouts or independent scouts do. I would take the opinion of a scout over any fans opinion. After all, the scout has been around football, in some cases, for many years and spends countless hours attending games in person and breaking down film. They also go to the scouting combine and attend on-campus workouts. They get to know players inside and out. Both the physical and mental aptitude of the player going clear back to the players high school days.

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 02:50 PM
Comment on the post, not the poster !

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 02:52 PM
I agree. I highly doubt that any fans on this site spend more time analyzing a player more then teams scouts or independent scouts do. I would take the opinion of a scout over any fans opinion. After all, the scout has been around football, in some cases, for many years and spends countless hours attending games in person and breaking down film. They also go to the scouting combine and attend on-campus workouts. They get to know players inside and out. Both the physical and mental aptitude of the player going clear back to the players high school days.



With that being said....at Quinns pro day....I think the consensus all around was that the scouts were very pleased with what they saw. All came away impressed to the point his stock had went up.

derek
04-05-2007, 02:55 PM
phinphanforever:

I happen to enjoy all sides of the draft debate, and everyone knows that we're not all going to agree 100% of the time. But dude, if you're going to tell someone they are wrong point blank, please state an argument. "Hasn't won a big game" kinda lost all merit after the last Superbowl, don't you think?

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 02:56 PM
For those of you who think draft position doesn't matter lets take a look at that.
Over the past 10 years here.

1st round
Vince Young ~ Starting
Matt Leinart ~ Starting
Jay Cutler ~ Starting
Alex Smith ~ Starting
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning ~ Starting
Philip Rivers ~ Starting
Ben Roethlisberger ~ Starting
J.P. Losman ~ Starting
Carson Palmer ~ Starting
Byron Leftwich ~ Starting
Kyle Boller ~
Rex Grossman ~ Starting
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick ~ Starting
Chad Pennington ~ Starting
Tim Couch
Donovan McNabb ~ Starting
Akili Smith
Daunte Culpepper ~ ?
Cade McNown
Peyton Manning ~ Starting
Ryan Leaf
Jim Druckenmiller

2nd and 3rd rounds
Kellen Clemens
Tarvaris Jackson
Charlie Whitehurst
Brodie Croyle
Charlie Frye
Matt Schaub ~ Starting
Dave Ragone
Chris Simms
Josh McCown
Drew Brees
Quincy Carter
Marques Tuiasosopo
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chris Redman
Shaun King
Brock Huard ~ Starting (presumedly)
Charlie Batch
Jonathan Quinn
Brian Griese
Jake Plummer
I have no idea what this post is supposed to prove. It seems that about half of the players noted in the first round are not starting, so according to your theory, at best you have a 50% chance iof starting. Second, how many of those starters will be starting in the future or doing anything of value. Take Losman for example, he may be starting but I think that is more of an indication of the state of the QB posiiton ion Buffalo than anyhting else.
I also notice that Tom Brady, Bulger and Hasselback -three players who not only start but are consistently league leaders- were all drafted in the sixth round. There are others such as Delhomme that didn`t even get drafted.
Just because you are drafted in the first, there is no guarantte that you are good. As countless GMs have shown, mistakes happen.

Captain Lou
04-05-2007, 03:03 PM
With that being said....at Quinns pro day....I think the consensus all around was that the scouts were very pleased with what they saw. All came away impressed to the point his stock had went up.


That's because this draft is weak at qb. I'll bet all you people who want Quinn now are those same people who wanted Alex Smith. You all can rest easy, and I will laugh as you all cry when we dont select Brady Quinn. If we do select him no need to ban me. I will ban myself. However, after day one of the draft I'll bring a giant box of tissues because I ain't going anywhere. One of these days you'll be thinking yourself we didn't also. He is way over hyped. He was the qb for the college football team who has the largest TV contract in the NCAA. So ofcourse interest in him will be scewed.

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 03:09 PM
That's because this draft is weak at qb. I'll bet all you people who want Quinn now are those same people who wanted Alex Smith. You all can rest easy, and I will laugh as you all cry when we dont select Brady Quinn. If we do select him no need to ban me. I will ban myself. However, after day one of the draft I'll bring a giant box of tissues because I ain't going anywhere. One of these days you'll be thinking yourself we didn't also. He is way over hyped. He was the qb for the college football team who has the largest TV contract in the NCAA. So ofcourse interest in him will be scewed.


Truth be told....I would rather have an OL or WR in rd 1. Only WR I see is CJ but there is really no way we will get him. Maybe Drew Stanton in the 2nd is a possibility. What do you think about him? Who would you like for us to look at as far as a QB?

Kendall
04-05-2007, 03:24 PM
I really wasn't trying to make a point just posting the facts and thought I would let the rest of you judge them. But since you asked. Of course I don't think drafting a guy in the first round means he is a sure deal. But I do realize, which I think the facts show, that you have a better chance of finding a starting caliber QB in the first round than you do later rounds. Sure you can always find one every now and then but no one talks about all of the guys that don't make it in the later rounds. If you want to talk 6th round and later I could come up with a huge list of guys you and I have never heard of because they never did anything in the NFL. A few success stories doesn't mean that you are just as likely to find a great QB in the later rounds as you are the first. Even if it is only 50/50 in the first round, the point is that the % continues to go down as the draft order does. It is far less than 50% in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and beyond that I would be willing to bet it is below 10%. When you get to 6th, 7th and undrafted, it is probably about 1%. My point is only to say that draft order does matter, and if you want to find a great QB you have a lot better chances of finding them in the first than you do later. That sounds like an obvious statement but reading these post, one wouldn't think so.

O'townPhinFan
04-05-2007, 03:29 PM
I really wasn't trying to make a point just posting the facts and thought I would let the rest of you judge them. But since you asked. Of course I don't think drafting a guy in the first round means he is a sure deal. But I do realize, which I think the facts show, that you have a better chance of finding a starting caliber QB in the first round than you do later rounds. Sure you can always find one every now and then but no one talks about all of the guys that don't make it in the later rounds. If you want to talk 6th round and later I could come up with a huge list of guys you and I have never heard of because they never did anything in the NFL. A few success stories doesn't mean that you are just as likely to find a great QB in the later rounds as you are the first. Even if it is only 50/50 in the first round, the point is that the % continues to go down as the draft order does. It is far less than 50% in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and beyond that I would be willing to bet it is below 10%. When you get to 6th, 7th and undrafted, it is probably about 1%. My point is only to say that draft order does matter, and if you want to find a great QB you have a lot better chances of finding them in the first than you do later. That sounds like an obvious statement but reading these post, one wouldn't think so.

I know what your saying Kendall. To be honest, trying to find a legit QB that will start is a crap shoot. Not all Qb's are cut out for NFL life weather it is Rd 1 or undrafted FA. It isn't an exact science. Yes there are a select few that turn out great in the 1st round...some in the later rounds. Like I said...it is a crap shoot. Thing is, if you (scouts) have been monitoring them for a while..watching them grow in games and practices...they would know and pass it on to our FO. I am sure if our FO is hell bent on getting Quinn....then they see something no one else does. I trust our FO no matter who we draft in this up coming draft.

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-05-2007, 03:36 PM
That's because this draft is weak at qb. I'll bet all you people who want Quinn now are those same people who wanted Alex Smith. You all can rest easy, and I will laugh as you all cry when we dont select Brady Quinn. If we do select him no need to ban me. I will ban myself. However, after day one of the draft I'll bring a giant box of tissues because I ain't going anywhere. One of these days you'll be thinking yourself we didn't also. He is way over hyped. He was the qb for the college football team who has the largest TV contract in the NCAA. So ofcourse interest in him will be scewed.

heh. This is the post of the month .. I agree 100%

nick1
04-05-2007, 04:09 PM
That's because this draft is weak at qb. I'll bet all you people who want Quinn now are those same people who wanted Alex Smith. You all can rest easy, and I will laugh as you all cry when we dont select Brady Quinn. If we do select him no need to ban me. I will ban myself. However, after day one of the draft I'll bring a giant box of tissues because I ain't going anywhere. One of these days you'll be thinking yourself we didn't also. He is way over hyped. He was the qb for the college football team who has the largest TV contract in the NCAA. So ofcourse interest in him will be scewed.

I disagree and I'll post a quote because I couldn't say this better myself


Exactly. Rick Mirer my ***. This kid was a 4 year starter and shattered records before Weis even got there, so he isn;t a product of the system. He did all that with a bad coach, poor media turmoil, and a bad team. Then Weis got there and Quinn got even BETTER. The kid EXCELLS in the same offense Tom Brady has made a dynasty on. The kid was coached by the same guy who brought Brady from 6th round to stardom. He is the most NFL ready QB I've seen lately.

He "chokes" in big games? I guess nobody was watching that USC comeback last ear, which HE led, and it was nothing short of heroic. Notre Dame won that game, the blown call cost them that actual W. The Sugar Bowl? Yea, poor performance, but it was one game. Jamarcus Russell had a "great" performance and it was only ONE game and he skyrocketed. Besides, Quinn's Defense lost that game, they looked like Junior Midget pop warner players out there. Don't fauly Quinn for his defense (or lackthereof). Put these two QBs on equal teams (same players, same plays, facng the same schemes) and I bet Brady blows Russell away.

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 04:23 PM
I disagree and I'll post a quote because I couldn't say this better myself
That was supposed to be better?

nick1
04-05-2007, 04:31 PM
That was supposed to be better?

yes it is, the point is there's nothing to suggest that Quinn will be a bust. he is the most NFL ready QB to come out in years and the fact that he played QB at Notre Dame shows that he knows how to operate under pressure. being the QB of Notre Dame is like playing CF for the Yankees

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 04:46 PM
I really wasn't trying to make a point just posting the facts and thought I would let the rest of you judge them. But since you asked. Of course I don't think drafting a guy in the first round means he is a sure deal. But I do realize, which I think the facts show, that you have a better chance of finding a starting caliber QB in the first round than you do later rounds. Sure you can always find one every now and then but no one talks about all of the guys that don't make it in the later rounds. If you want to talk 6th round and later I could come up with a huge list of guys you and I have never heard of because they never did anything in the NFL. A few success stories doesn't mean that you are just as likely to find a great QB in the later rounds as you are the first. Even if it is only 50/50 in the first round, the point is that the % continues to go down as the draft order does. It is far less than 50% in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and beyond that I would be willing to bet it is below 10%. When you get to 6th, 7th and undrafted, it is probably about 1%. My point is only to say that draft order does matter, and if you want to find a great QB you have a lot better chances of finding them in the first than you do later. That sounds like an obvious statement but reading these post, one wouldn't think so.

Well I see this point as a penetrating glance into the obvious. You could say the same thing about runningbacks. And probably Wrs too. It may even apply to OLinemen. Come to think about it, it could apply to every single position in the NFL!
My point is that when selecting a QB, there are far more important things than mindless statistics and where the guy was selected. Brady (definitely not to be confused with that fraud from Notre Dame) is the best Qb to have ever played. Better than Joe, Dan, Terry, John or Peyton. He was drafted in the sixth, and although it certainly was a surprise to many, no one can argue with the fact that he was selected in the sixth. It's a fact.
You appear to be suggesting that we draft a Qb in the first because our odds will be better that we will aqcuire a superstar Qb than if we were to take someone else in a later round. I am sugegsting that the odds are very low for any Qb to succeed in the NFL, and that there are enough examples out there to show that draft position has shown to be a poor indicator of success when it comes to QBs, and moreover, if we can draft a position where draft positionis a better indicator of success, then we should do so.
Said differently: Don't waste a ninth pick on a bum (profanity?:hide: ) like Brady (definitely not to be confused with that star in NE).

phinphanforever
04-05-2007, 06:04 PM
yes it is, the point is there's nothing to suggest that Quinn will be a bust. :sidelol: I guess you missed the Michigan game.

he is the most NFL ready QB to come out in years :sidelol: :sidelol: NFL ready....(snicker)....In the same way that Tony Mandarich was the most NFL ready OT to come out of college?:sidelol: :sidelol: :sidelol:

being the QB of Notre Dame is like playing CF for the Yankees
Wrong. Yankees fans are far more discerning when it comes to their team. They can smell a fraud a mile away.

Al13
04-05-2007, 07:05 PM
can you guys call him QUINN thats his last name, jesus everytime i read brady i think you talk about the pats qb

Fin-omenal
04-05-2007, 07:33 PM
Im sure we will workout all of the top guys, fact is he wont be there at 9 and were not dumb enough to give up the farm to trade up and get'm.....

Quinn=irrelevant

NJFINSFAN1
04-05-2007, 07:38 PM
Quinn will not be a bust, he has played in a NFL set offense for two years. I don't see anyone saying he will be gods gift, but to say he is a bust before even suiting up is just silly. The kid can make all the throws, and is smart, and the Tom Brady's old coach compares Quinn to Brady.

Personally, I hope we get him at # 9, I don't think I would trade up for him because we need the picks. But if we get him great!

If people think he will be a bust, so be it, but I have yet to see a valid argument against him.

In fact if we want to look at it that way, anyone we pick at number 1 can be a bust, there is no sure set guarentee on anyone!

Fin-omenal
04-06-2007, 08:41 AM
Quinn will not be a bust, he has played in a NFL set offense for two years. I don't see anyone saying he will be gods gift, but to say he is a bust before even suiting up is just silly. The kid can make all the throws, and is smart, and the Tom Brady's old coach compares Quinn to Brady.

Personally, I hope we get him at # 9, I don't think I would trade up for him because we need the picks. But if we get him great!

If people think he will be a bust, so be it, but I have yet to see a valid argument against him.

In fact if we want to look at it that way, anyone we pick at number 1 can be a bust, there is no sure set guarentee on anyone!

I agree on all fronts, he's not gonna be there at 9 so all this talk about Quinn is for the birds..

OneHondo
04-06-2007, 01:26 PM
I guess these experts at judging quarterback talent should call Cameron and Mueller so they can cancel the private workout for Quinn. Its painfully obvious since he has the label that he can't win the big game he is going to be a bust in the NFL, much like Marino was a bust because he couldn't win the big game and bring Miami a Super Bowl trophy.
Geeze, why in the world did Denver ever draft John Elway since he never won the big games in Stanford and never even took Stanford to a bowl game. We all know what a bust Elway was in Denver.
It was all Quinn's fault ND never won the big games just like it was Barry Sanders fault Detroit never became a winner while he played there. Of course we, as Miami fans know it was all Dan Marino's fault we never had a Super Bowl championship during his tenure as quarterback. I guess this realization should rewrite all the sports history books about a lot of careers, Quinns, Marino's, Elway's, Sander's, Jim Kelly's and others.

YetanotherFan
04-06-2007, 02:17 PM
Well I see this point as a penetrating glance into the obvious. You could say the same thing about runningbacks. And probably Wrs too. It may even apply to OLinemen. Come to think about it, it could apply to every single position in the NFL!
My point is that when selecting a QB, there are far more important things than mindless statistics and where the guy was selected. Brady (definitely not to be confused with that fraud from Notre Dame) is the best Qb to have ever played. Better than Joe, Dan, Terry, John or Peyton. He was drafted in the sixth, and although it certainly was a surprise to many, no one can argue with the fact that he was selected in the sixth. It's a fact.
You appear to be suggesting that we draft a Qb in the first because our odds will be better that we will aqcuire a superstar Qb than if we were to take someone else in a later round. I am sugegsting that the odds are very low for any Qb to succeed in the NFL, and that there are enough examples out there to show that draft position has shown to be a poor indicator of success when it comes to QBs, and moreover, if we can draft a position where draft positionis a better indicator of success, then we should do so.
Said differently: Don't waste a ninth pick on a bum (profanity?:hide: ) like Brady (definitely not to be confused with that star in NE).


Heya Phinphan, please tell me how you came to this conclusion?

Fin-omenal
04-06-2007, 02:23 PM
I guess these experts at judging quarterback talent should call Cameron and Mueller so they can cancel the private workout for Quinn. Its painfully obvious since he has the label that he can't win the big game he is going to be a bust in the NFL, much like Marino was a bust because he couldn't win the big game and bring Miami a Super Bowl trophy.
Geeze, why in the world did Denver ever draft John Elway since he never won the big games in Stanford and never even took Stanford to a bowl game. We all know what a bust Elway was in Denver.
It was all Quinn's fault ND never won the big games just like it was Barry Sanders fault Detroit never became a winner while he played there. Of course we, as Miami fans know it was all Dan Marino's fault we never had a Super Bowl championship during his tenure as quarterback. I guess this realization should rewrite all the sports history books about a lot of careers, Quinns, Marino's, Elway's, Sander's, Jim Kelly's and others.


Guess the fact he wont be there at 9 doesnt matter??

YetanotherFan
04-06-2007, 03:04 PM
Guess the fact he wont be there at 9 doesnt matter??

You beating a dead drum Fin :( . We can only dream.

Finsfan1984
04-06-2007, 03:24 PM
I guess these experts at judging quarterback talent should call Cameron and Mueller so they can cancel the private workout for Quinn. Its painfully obvious since he has the label that he can't win the big game he is going to be a bust in the NFL, much like Marino was a bust because he couldn't win the big game and bring Miami a Super Bowl trophy.
Geeze, why in the world did Denver ever draft John Elway since he never won the big games in Stanford and never even took Stanford to a bowl game. We all know what a bust Elway was in Denver.
It was all Quinn's fault ND never won the big games just like it was Barry Sanders fault Detroit never became a winner while he played there. Of course we, as Miami fans know it was all Dan Marino's fault we never had a Super Bowl championship during his tenure as quarterback. I guess this realization should rewrite all the sports history books about a lot of careers, Quinns, Marino's, Elway's, Sander's, Jim Kelly's and others.

Oh, if only I could remember how many times i have made the same argument. I really get tired of people complaining/arguing about Quinn not winning the BIG GAMES. This is "STUUUUUUUPID." If the thought process is this, then it should be easy to draft players coming out. For instance, this year, only draft Florida players and stay away from O-State players. Or, last year, only draft Texas players, and stay away from USC players like Lienart and Bush.
Again, this is the stupidest argument ever, and I couldnt agree with you more here.

Finsfan1984
04-06-2007, 03:25 PM
Guess the fact he wont be there at 9 doesnt matter??
I dont think he will either, but, you never know. Just go back one year for that important lesson (Lineart).

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 01:27 PM
Oh, if only I could remember how many times i have made the same argument. I really get tired of people complaining/arguing about Quinn not winning the BIG GAMES. This is "STUUUUUUUPID." If the thought process is this, then it should be easy to draft players coming out. For instance, this year, only draft Florida players and stay away from O-State players. Or, last year, only draft Texas players, and stay away from USC players like Lienart and Bush.
Again, this is the stupidest argument ever, and I couldnt agree with you more here.
The stupidest argument ever made was that Brady Quinn is comparable to Tom Brady. A close second is that we should take Quinn if available at nine.
Don't beleive the hype.