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chada456
04-06-2007, 03:37 AM
Browns General Manager Phil Savage confirmed the Browns are in the hunt for Trent Green (http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=346538&r=0&subCategoryID=26). Savage said the first step will be to see if Green is interested in joining the Browns and will then try to work out a contract. Finally compensation will be discussed with Kansas City. The Chiefs are looking for a low round draft pick for Green.


With that in mind, lets say that deal happens and Trent Green goes to the Browns and he backs up Charlie Frye (or vice versa). That would secure their QB position (Ive even read the Browns are giving 3rd stringer Derek Anderson a shot at a starting job in offseason camp). No doubt that Mueller/Cam/Oshea want Brady Quinn. Its been said theyd be willing to trade up with the Redskins. So questions remain...
Does Quinn get past Raiders- Yes, Quinn doesnt fit the Al Davis type. Its either Russell or C. Johnson.
Does Quinn get past Lions- Hard to tell but IMO, Lions offense is set. They actually have a pretty good offense, recievers, QB, and RB are all good. So I say Lions do 1 of 3 things... Pick a defensive guy that would end up bein a reach, trade down and pickup Patrick Willis, or draft Joe Thomas.
Does Quinn get past Browns- As stated above, yes-They go with Adrian Peterson, or if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Bucs- Yes, they have enough QBs. Calvin Johnson, if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Cards- Yes, they have a potential franchise QB, Joe Thomas, if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Redskins-Yes, Jason Campbell has a lot of potential and played well towards the end of the season. Theyre goin defense.
Does Quinn get past Vikes- I personally belive Vikes either go with Landry or Peterson here if hes even still on the board but Mueller probably wont wana test that, and will therefore trade picks with the Redskins, switching 1st and the second 2nd round pick acquired from the Pats ..(that pick wouldve probably been used to get Drew Stanton anyways, so not much of a waste).

JAKEIII
04-06-2007, 03:43 AM
Sounds great. To bad Detroit is going to grab him.

bullseyeguy
04-06-2007, 03:46 AM
Quinn might not be AL Davis type, but he could be Lane Kiffins type...
Im sorry, but Kitna is not what I would consider being good at the position...
The Browns need a QB bad, as bad as us...
If having enough QB means Simms and Garcia, I guess Im just crazy...
Cardinals and Redskins you seem to be on the money with..
And Tarvaris Jackson is not the answer in Minny...

There is almost a zero chance Quinn falls to 9, but its always nice to dream...

chada456
04-06-2007, 03:55 AM
Quinn might not be AL Davis type, but he could be Lane Kiffins type...
Im sorry, but Kitna is not what I would consider being good at the position...
The Browns need a QB bad, as bad as us...
If having enough QB means Simms and Garcia, I guess Im just crazy...
Cardinals and Redskins you seem to be on the money with..
And Tarvaris Jackson is not the answer in Minny...

There is almost a zero chance Quinn falls to 9, but its always nice to dream...

Al Davis runs the show in Oakland, not some new young coach.. Its Al Davis, always has been
Kitna isnt the greatest I agree, but hes serviceable, plus the fact that if Martz has a say on who to draft, which he probably does being the OC, Lions draft a QB in the late rounds or maybe they pickup an undrafted QB. Look at Martzs history with drafting QBs (Bulger, 6th round I think, Warner, undrafted I think)- plus Lions defense is whats messin them up, they can score pts
The Browns need a QB but Crennel needs to win NOW... so he gets Trent Green makin a nice open QB competition and they fix the Oline with Joe Thomas. Not to mention they JUST drafted Frye two years ago
If you think the Bucs are drafting Quinn, you're crazy, they may not have the best QBs on their roster but NO WAY they take Quinn
Vikings/Childress JUST drafted Tarvaris with a huuge reach in the 2nd and supposedly he believes Tarvaris is showing promise for the future. No way they draft a QB , plus Childress already stated hes content with his QBs and theres an open comp. for the starting job..

Regan21286
04-06-2007, 03:57 AM
With that in mind, lets say that deal happens and Trent Green goes to the Browns and he backs up Charlie Frye (or vice versa). That would secure their QB position (Ive even read the Browns are giving 3rd stringer Derek Anderson a shot at a starting job in offseason camp). No doubt that Mueller/Cam/Oshea want Brady Quinn. Its been said theyd be willing to trade up with the Redskins. So questions remain...
Does Quinn get past Raiders- Yes, Quinn doesnt fit the Al Davis type. Its either Russell or C. Johnson.
Does Quinn get past Lions- Hard to tell but IMO, Lions offense is set. They actually have a pretty good offense, recievers, QB, and RB are all good. So I say Lions do 1 of 3 things... Pick a defensive guy that would end up bein a reach, trade down and pickup Patrick Willis, or draft Joe Thomas.
Does Quinn get past Browns- As stated above, yes-They go with Adrian Peterson, or if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Bucs- Yes, they have enough QBs. Calvin Johnson, if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Cards- Yes, they have a potential franchise QB, Joe Thomas, if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Redskins-Yes, Jason Campbell has a lot of potential and played well towards the end of the season. Theyre goin defense.
Does Quinn get past Vikes- I personally belive Vikes either go with Landry or Peterson here if hes even still on the board but Mueller probably wont wana test that, and will therefore trade picks with the Redskins, switching 1st and the second 2nd round pick acquired from the Pats ..(that pick wouldve probably been used to get Drew Stanton anyways, so not much of a waste).

Best case would be Raiders picking CJ, then Browns are 99.99999% going to take Russell if Lions don't considering Savage's history with him. Then it's just Vikes and Lions to worry about, or just Vikes if Lions take Russell and Browns take Peterson. Lions I hope were still too scared from having Harrington and Vikes go D or we trade up to 6.

chada456
04-06-2007, 04:00 AM
Browns should be much more concerned with giving Frye help, rather than just giving up on him.. Fryes had a bad oline, bad running game, although edwards is good, they dont have much else at the recieving position, and although their TE is good, hes injured a lot (cant remember his name at the moment)... all this means is that instead of giving up on Frye after 2 years, they just drafted the guy, why not give him help with a wall like Joe Thomas, or an amazing back to take some pressure off like Peterson, or the best reciever to come out in years in C Johnson.Browns are gonna have some options

chada456
04-06-2007, 04:04 AM
You're the Lions GM, and you look at your team and you realize that you're offense isnt bad, yet you're defense is horrible. So whats with all this talk about them drafting offense. I think Lions suprise all and go with a guy like Gaines Adams, Jamal Anderson, Pat Willis, or Laron Landry. They may trade down in the process but it makes more sense for the Lions success for them to go defense in round 1 rather than offense.. If they did go offense however, I think they would hafta go C. Johnson first as hes insane but they may look at Joe Thomas as well , although they have signed a number of olinemen via FA.

oronde86
04-06-2007, 06:23 AM
Browns maybe would pass on him but Vikes have not a QB.......do you think that will pass on Quinn if still available ?????.......safeties and RB are not as crucial positions as QB, there will be a lot of very good Ss and RBs in the mid rounds.....we can forget Quinn and trade down

finfan54
04-06-2007, 06:37 AM
You're the Lions GM, and you look at your team and you realize that you're offense isnt bad, yet you're defense is horrible. So whats with all this talk about them drafting offense. I think Lions suprise all and go with a guy like Gaines Adams, Jamal Anderson, Pat Willis, or Laron Landry. They may trade down in the process but it makes more sense for the Lions success for them to go defense in round 1 rather than offense.. If they did go offense however, I think they would hafta go C. Johnson first as hes insane but they may look at Joe Thomas as well , although they have signed a number of olinemen via FA.



And this would fit into the trade down scenario/talk we have been hearing lately. Nothing trade down wise i dont think would happen til draft day because alot can happen from now til then.

MexDolfan
04-06-2007, 07:08 AM
A draft is MORE than just 1st round picks. Every team has 2 kinds of strategies on this, first day is for filling needs and strengthening the actual team in order to confront the coming season. Day two is for developing long term players.
There's so much pressure about picking the initial positions on the draft because of its cost, those newbies will become instant expensive player and in administrative and sportive issues they are handled as saviors of the team. Because of their high pricing, they become the "present" not the future.
So for a picking GM or HC (whichever its the case for that team), sometimes its a public relations job. The most popular call in football is and will always be to enroll a QB college star. As Russell won over Quinn in the Sugar Bowl, his image of winner becomes likely to the fan base and that's the main reason that Quinn's stock felt down on most mock drafts.
But as Detroit picks second they have four powerful options.
A) Pick a major new face for the lions' cage. If the rumor about CJ to Raiders deal (http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=126390) is true, they may pick Russell, else they would get the best player in the draft by picking CJ. This would be the smartest thing to do, but WR has been a very deficient call in Detroit's draft history.
B) Otherwise, if Russell is gone and they assume that WR are risky business, they may trade down. Many teams have targeted a need and this would look very tentative. The trade cost may become unlikely for us, but if Cam can deal more late picks, then the phrase "the price is right" may fit.
C) If nobody can deal with the trading price, they may hold Quinn as trading bait or popular call among their fans whose memory can forgive the Joey experiment.
D) If both WR and QB ghosts come to mind, they'll upgrade RB or any defensive place.

Minnesota is the real deal for Brady Quinn because even they used a day one pick on Tarvaris Jackson, they can't pass on such a player as Quinn, maybe the Quinn pick meaning a Jackson trading/cutting, but it's no mystery that Vikings what to enroll the best player available, because they can handle rebuilding for another season (their fan base have showed they're very patient, unlike us).

This way, if Detroit doesn't pick Quinn, Trend Green signs with Cleveland, and nobody else trades up in order to pick BQ, our option is to trade up before Minnesota in order to pick him, else we may be looking for a young QB in round 2.

LarryFinFan
04-06-2007, 07:22 AM
Cam-Mul was not being too interested in Carr, I mean not even courting him.
Cam-Mul seems to be nonchalant about Green.
Are they satisfied with CPep and whomever they draft ?? It appears that way to me. Why wouldn't they be more proactive in acquiring someone if they felt that CPep couldn't make it back ??

Sure, Green is still a possibility and may yet come to fruition. Perhaps they are waiting KC out, but even if he does, the signs from Cam-Mul point to him being CPeps backup, not a starter here...

jason8er
04-06-2007, 07:30 AM
When Brady Quinn gets picked in the early 1st round, the background noise in Miami will be that of air rushing out of a balloon.

Elliott 1
04-06-2007, 08:03 AM
When Brady Quinn gets picked in the early 1st round, the background noise in Miami will be that of air rushing out of a balloon.

Yup:( :confused: :tantrum: :o :shakeno: :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

Pennington's Rocket Arm
04-06-2007, 08:38 AM
And Tarvaris Jackson is not the answer in Minny..
they're certainly not giving up on him now.

Krush
04-06-2007, 09:02 AM
Quinn, Quinn Quinn already, Whta makes Brady Quinn such a hot ticket? I don't think that he's any better than Drew stanton, pay les money and get Stanton in the second round, the dolphins need a playmaker on that offense.

ojmcduffy
04-06-2007, 09:17 AM
ive heard lions running back jevin jones is going to have foot surgery and may not be ready to stasrt the season if this is the case the lions would have to go rb in the first round

CC Coach
04-06-2007, 09:19 AM
You obviously did not watch much Big Tenn football and Notre Dame.
Quinn is light years ahead of Stanton.
Stanton's decision making against good teams like OSU, ND, Michigan was awful.
He is at best an average backup with 3 years of learning ahead.
Quinn carried a poor ND for 3 years playing with stiffs.
He is an immediate NFL starter.

Krush
04-06-2007, 09:23 AM
Quinn doesn't show up in Big games, he's 10-9 in big ticket games. Now the only reason a team would want him is because of charlie weiss, but if you go by stats alone anyone of those 4 or 5 QB's could be in the top 15.

NE DOLFAN
04-06-2007, 09:52 AM
If only we had lost a few more games last season.:(

aleta
04-06-2007, 10:05 AM
You can make Quinn a god like QB, but the reality is that , we are gona get Stanton, so stop dreaming a get with the prog. We need 3 draft picks in the the first two rounds. GO DOLPHINS!!:ninja:

PyroDOLFAN
04-06-2007, 10:12 AM
Sry, Quinn won't pass 2nd pick.

eomdtbtr
04-06-2007, 10:24 AM
With that in mind, lets say that deal happens and Trent Green goes to the Browns and he backs up Charlie Frye (or vice versa). That would secure their QB position (Ive even read the Browns are giving 3rd stringer Derek Anderson a shot at a starting job in offseason camp). No doubt that Mueller/Cam/Oshea want Brady Quinn. Its been said theyd be willing to trade up with the Redskins. So questions remain...
Does Quinn get past Raiders- Yes, Quinn doesnt fit the Al Davis type. Its either Russell or C. Johnson.
Does Quinn get past Lions- Hard to tell but IMO, Lions offense is set. They actually have a pretty good offense, recievers, QB, and RB are all good. So I say Lions do 1 of 3 things... Pick a defensive guy that would end up bein a reach, trade down and pickup Patrick Willis, or draft Joe Thomas.
Does Quinn get past Browns- As stated above, yes-They go with Adrian Peterson, or if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Bucs- Yes, they have enough QBs. Calvin Johnson, if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Cards- Yes, they have a potential franchise QB, Joe Thomas, if hes gone, they go defense
Does Quinn get past Redskins-Yes, Jason Campbell has a lot of potential and played well towards the end of the season. Theyre goin defense.
Does Quinn get past Vikes- I personally belive Vikes either go with Landry or Peterson here if hes even still on the board but Mueller probably wont wana test that, and will therefore trade picks with the Redskins, switching 1st and the second 2nd round pick acquired from the Pats ..(that pick wouldve probably been used to get Drew Stanton anyways, so not much of a waste).

If they get Green It will be to tutor Quinn. Charlie Frye anyone?:ninja:

fin1
04-06-2007, 11:24 AM
You obviously did not watch much Big Tenn football and Notre Dame.
Quinn is light years ahead of Stanton.
Stanton's decision making against good teams like OSU, ND, Michigan was awful.
He is at best an average backup with 3 years of learning ahead.
Quinn carried a poor ND for 3 years playing with stiffs.
He is an immediate NFL starter.


You call having the best receiver in College (Smardja) a stiff? You call having an offensive mind like charlie weiss a stiff? Better pour yourself another stiff one and pass out, or go watch ESPN cause you're talking out your azz. Sure their defense sucked but their offense was one of the best in the nation and not just because Quinn was on the team. In my opinion, any qb in this years draft is going to be a crap shoot. I'd rather have a guy like Carr who never had a shot but still completed nearly 70% of his passes.

Finsfan1984
04-06-2007, 11:33 AM
You call having the best receiver in College (Smardja) a stiff? You call having an offensive mind like charlie weiss a stiff? Better pour yourself another stiff one and pass out, or go watch ESPN cause you're talking out your azz. Sure their defense sucked but their offense was one of the best in the nation and not just because Quinn was on the team. In my opinion, any qb in this years draft is going to be a crap shoot. I'd rather have a guy like Carr who never had a shot but still completed nearly 70% of his passes.
Not me! I want a QB of our own that we can groom from day one with a brand new coach and offensive scheme at the same time.

Dont want anymore retread QB's. Carr needs time to get his playing confidence back, he got brutalized in Houston, and he needs some time to get his mind right again. I like Carr and all, but enough is enough with everyone else's QB's. Besides, he signed with Carolina.

OneHondo
04-06-2007, 12:12 PM
Quinn doesn't show up in Big games, he's 10-9 in big ticket games. Now the only reason a team would want him is because of charlie weiss, but if you go by stats alone anyone of those 4 or 5 QB's could be in the top 15.



Tell that to Michigan, he beat them 2 out of three years, tell that to Michigan State, he beat them 2 out of three years. Tell that to USC after he nearly single handedly brought ND back to a come from behind victory. Tell that to UCLA, he happened to beat them. I guess you are one who would accuse Marino of not showing up in big games because he didn't win a SuperBowl. By your logic John Elway was a player who didn't show up in big games because he never even led Stanford to a Bowl game or a league title and we all know how big a bust John Elway was in the NFL.
Tell that to Notre Dame since he now holds most of their career passing records.

fishypete
04-06-2007, 12:42 PM
Who ever said that the Dolphins were going after Quinn...fans? Frankly I'm at the stage that I'm starting to believe that the Dolphins are just blowing SMOKE...concerning their QB situation. Does anyone really believe that Trent Green is more than a one year stop gap?
Are the Dolphin so stupid again...to trade away another draft pick...for a old QB coming off a serious injury? Are we to believe that the same person that told us that draft picks are needed to acquire players to rebuild the team...they must be....we've lost far to many players and only sign a few to replace them....so we come down to this...is Culpepper as bad off as we have been led to believe...or has it been smoke? Is Lemon the real future QB...for the Dolphins? Will the Dolphins use three picks for a QB in this draft? Even if you tend to believe that Quinn is the answer...is he worth today, tomorrow's future? Does a team build around a QB....or do they draft a QB that fits a team? Drafting Quinn isn't going to make the Dolphins winners right away...this team has far too many other needs...we all know this...althought many fans refuse to admit it. I wish I could give you an answer...but there's just too much Smoke in my eyes.

SgtPhin
04-06-2007, 12:48 PM
I'd almost bet that we don't even try to draft any of the so-called top QBs. RandyCam may already have an idea as to who they want and will probably fool all of us. Remember, no-one in the FO said we were going to draft a QB in the 1st 2 rds, only that they planned to pick a QB in the draft.

finfan54
04-06-2007, 12:48 PM
If they get Green It will be to tutor Quinn. Charlie Frye anyone?:ninja:



yeah after revisiting this thread, I just thought of this as well. They are stealing our plan.

eomdtbtr
04-06-2007, 02:38 PM
yeah after revisiting this thread, I just thought of this as well. They are stealing our plan.

Exactly so unless we plan on moving up to 1 or 2, say good bye to Quinn.

Fin-omenal
04-06-2007, 02:41 PM
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnn

ANother Quinn thread, great.

HybridPHIN 23
04-06-2007, 02:49 PM
When Brady Quinn gets picked in the early 1st round, the background noise in Miami will be that of air rushing out of a balloon.

:sidelol: Too true....... luckily our Front office won't be as flustered as we are when Quinn is taken before us.:lol:

besides... like i said about josh mcCown possibly going to Oak....... Trent Green has nothing to do with whether or not a team picks Quinn. The speculation is killing me is it May yet ??

eomdtbtr
04-06-2007, 02:52 PM
You call having the best receiver in College (Smardja) a stiff? You call having an offensive mind like charlie weiss a stiff? Better pour yourself another stiff one and pass out, or go watch ESPN cause you're talking out your azz. Sure their defense sucked but their offense was one of the best in the nation and not just because Quinn was on the team. In my opinion, any qb in this years draft is going to be a crap shoot. I'd rather have a guy like Carr who never had a shot but still completed nearly 70% of his passes.
Not me! I want a QB of our own that we can groom from day one with a brand new coach and offensive scheme at the same time.

Dont want anymore retread QB's. Carr needs time to get his playing confidence back, he got brutalized in Houston, and he needs some time to get his mind right again. I like Carr and all, but enough is enough with everyone else's QB's. Besides, he signed with Carolina.

Well who do you expect to be our starter then? That's basically our only option at the moment isn't it. Ok lets spend three picks on Quinn, so he can sit on the bench for a few seasons eh. Green will cost us another pick to get a starter so now that's four picks basically on Quinn. If we draft Quinn we won't be keeping Daunte, because we can't pay for two starting quarterbacks. So basically we got Quinn to warm the bench, Green who, by the way, is 37 and coming off another season on the disabled list, so you don't really know what you get from him. Or we could keep Culpepper who is basically another rookie , because he doesn't know the play book, and because of his knee. So basically you want us to spend four draft picks on two players who probably can't be average starters for the next 3 years. And by then our defense will be in the position our offense is now. Carr was the best option. He was a former 1st overall pick, and in my opinion the only reason he didn't succeed is because of his supporting cast. We could have drafted a good supporting cast for Carr, and let him lead our franchise. Carr can still be a franchise quarterback, and we showed no interest in him.

Fineas
04-06-2007, 02:55 PM
You obviously did not watch much Big Tenn football and Notre Dame.
Quinn is light years ahead of Stanton.
Stanton's decision making against good teams like OSU, ND, Michigan was awful.
He is at best an average backup with 3 years of learning ahead.
Quinn carried a poor ND for 3 years playing with stiffs.
He is an immediate NFL starter.

I don't get this idea that Quinn had no talent around him. His 2005 TE was a second round pick last year (Anthony Fasano) and one of his receivers was a 3rd rounder (Maurice Stovall). Jeff Samardija likely would have been a 1st rounder this year if he hadn't gone to baseball and Rhema Mcknight should go somewhere around the 4th round this year. His RB (Walker) should also be a 4th round pick and his left tackle (Harris) should go in the 3rd or 4th rounds. One of his guards was drafted last year (Dan Stevenson) and another will probably be drafted this year (Santucci). That's plenty of talent around Quinn.

Regan21286
04-06-2007, 03:04 PM
I don't get this idea that Quinn had no talent around him. His 2005 TE was a second round pick last year (Anthony Fasano) and one of his receivers was a 3rd rounder (Maurice Stovall). Jeff Samardija likely would have been a 1st rounder this year if he hadn't gone to baseball and Rhema Mcknight should go somewhere around the 4th round this year. His RB (Walker) should also be a 4th round pick and his left tackle (Harris) should go in the 3rd or 4th rounds. One of his guards was drafted last year (Dan Stevenson) and another will probably be drafted this year (Santucci). That's plenty of talent around Quinn.

Except there wasn't really any talent on defense or the other parts of the OL. And Harris, I felt really underachieved while in ND.

Fineas
04-06-2007, 03:25 PM
Except there wasn't really any talent on defense or the other parts of the OL. And Harris, I felt really underachieved while in ND.

So how did defensive deficiencies affect Quinn's production?

After this draft, ND will likely have had 4-5 OLs drafted during the time Quinn was there. Considering the number of times they threw the ball, Quinn was not sacked an inordinate number of times.

Regan21286
04-06-2007, 08:07 PM
So how did defensive deficiencies affect Quinn's production?

After this draft, ND will likely have had 4-5 OLs drafted during the time Quinn was there. Considering the number of times they threw the ball, Quinn was not sacked an inordinate number of times.

Well, it does put the offense in catch up mode and puts a lot of pressure on the QB to put up points. That could easily have led to unwanted throws.

Maybe so, but ND's OL is at best above average. The ones drafted are usually low rounders. It's certainly no USC line that helped support Leinart and Palmer.

Jaj
04-06-2007, 09:23 PM
Brady Quinn is more than on the level of Leinart-Young-Cutler. He has plenty of things to like about him and might be the best mix of all three. If we were at the 3 I'd certainly draft him.

Regan21286
04-07-2007, 06:28 PM
Brady Quinn is more than on the level of Leinart-Young-Cutler. He has plenty of things to like about him and might be the best mix of all three. If we were at the 3 I'd certainly draft him.

I agree. If he had declared last year, which some scouts thought he would, he certainly could've challenged those 3. That's why Mueller scouted him last year because I suppose Saban and Mueller thought he would be the guy for us until he decided to stay. At the very least, a Quinn entry would either result in him coming to us or either Leinart, Cutler, or Young falling to us instead of Jason Allen.