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papahotel
04-06-2007, 04:04 PM
the miami dolphins select Levi Brown!!!!! this is the guy we need and if we traded up at all then we should only trade up to get joe thomas not Quinn!!! my logic is if your gonna trade up to the 5 or 6 spot you might as well trade up to the 4 and get the anchor for our line for years to come!!!

JFoxx
04-06-2007, 04:27 PM
Problem is, not everybody is sold on Levi Brown being a top talent, let alone an anchor (like Thomas would be). Once Thomas is gone, we are better off using our pick (or wherever we go) to the high skill positions and let Mueller/Cam use their talents of finding diamonds-in-the-rough OL later in the draft. If we get 3-4 OL later in the draft (or even after the draft) then let them fight it out for open spots. I really don't see us taking an OL in the #9 spot. If we trade down, then it becomes more of a possibility, but not that early.

DC8
04-06-2007, 04:27 PM
I think Levi Brown is a reach at #9 especially because of the lack of LT's in this years draft. I would rather draft Greg Olsen if we were going to reach.

retarmyfinfan
04-06-2007, 04:30 PM
the miami dolphins select Levi Brown!!!!! this is the guy we need and if we traded up at all then we should only trade up to get joe thomas not Quinn!!! my logic is if your gonna trade up to the 5 or 6 spot you might as well trade up to the 4 and get the anchor for our line for years to come!!!

If we pick at 9 it will be BPA, and that will be defense.

jason8er
04-06-2007, 04:34 PM
If we pick at 9 it will be BPA, and that will be defense.
My thoughts exactly.

dan the fin
04-06-2007, 04:42 PM
So we draft I guy that is better suited for RT. Who will not make an impact right away. I know we need O-line but u don't just draft it to draft it. Next years LT class is better then this year. Two guys that were rated ahead of Brown this year if they can out choose to return to school. This is why Brown is rising up draft boards not because he warrents it. No thank u to Brown I want and impact player in the top ten which O-line can be I just don't ever see Brown being that type of player.

tay0365
04-06-2007, 04:49 PM
Brown has great talent to be a great R-tackle, but because of lack of
athleticism, he will be an ok L-tackle. You do not use a top ten pick on a player that may only be OK at left tackle.

Jaj
04-06-2007, 05:16 PM
He did not test out well at the combine but that does not mean he does not have the athleticism. He actually has quite a bit of it.

Finsfan1984
04-06-2007, 05:17 PM
the miami dolphins select Levi Brown!!!!! this is the guy we need and if we traded up at all then we should only trade up to get joe thomas not Quinn!!! my logic is if your gonna trade up to the 5 or 6 spot you might as well trade up to the 4 and get the anchor for our line for years to come!!!

NO!!!

DRNEWBEE
04-06-2007, 05:18 PM
Brown = Bust!

Finsfan1984
04-06-2007, 05:19 PM
Problem is, not everybody is sold on Levi Brown being a top talent, let alone an anchor (like Thomas would be). Once Thomas is gone, we are better off using our pick (or wherever we go) to the high skill positions and let Mueller/Cam use their talents of finding diamonds-in-the-rough OL later in the draft. If we get 3-4 OL later in the draft (or even after the draft) then let them fight it out for open spots. I really don't see us taking an OL in the #9 spot. If we trade down, then it becomes more of a possibility, but not that early.

Yes!!!

Finsfan1984
04-06-2007, 05:21 PM
Brown is a reach at #9 IMO. If Quinn is gone, and Landry is gone, i would rather trade down, pick up an xtra pick and get a Ginn/Olsen/Staley, or someone like that.

musphinzfan
04-06-2007, 06:40 PM
If we pick at 9 it will be BPA, and that will be defense.

Reggie Nelson??

Jaj
04-06-2007, 06:54 PM
Brown is not a reach at 9, he's ranked by most at being right in that range. Any player up to 15 should be definited as a legit pick. One team picking one way can easily cause a player to slide and one to come up. That's not a reach...

A reach is more like selecting a late first rounder like Chris Houston or Aaron Ross at 9.

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-06-2007, 07:26 PM
the miami dolphins select Levi Brown!!!!! this is the guy we need and if we traded up at all then we should only trade up to get joe thomas not Quinn!!! my logic is if your gonna trade up to the 5 or 6 spot you might as well trade up to the 4 and get the anchor for our line for years to come!!!

The problem with that is, most scouts see him as a right tackle in this league.. And the best lineman we have is the RT..

Most scouts agree Brown will not be a LT in this league as he is simply not good enough there to withstand the best pass rushers as he has bad footwork for that, and is slow ....

Brown is much more of a run blocker than a pass protector.. And when you look at left tackles, it should be the other way around.. Left Tackle better be a top notch pass blocker..

We might as well have kept McIntosh if we were going to put Brown at LT ..

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-06-2007, 07:31 PM
Brown is not a reach at 9, he's ranked by most at being right in that range.

Only because he had a good senior bowl. He was projected as a 3rd rounder in December..

That tells you how he was for his team in college - which is what really counts.. So yes, he would be a huge reach at 9 .. I'd much rather trade down if we can and get Staley who happens to be a superior pass blocker to Brown.

finfan54
04-06-2007, 08:44 PM
Pat Kirwan-
Daunte Culpepper and the Dolphins would breath easier with Levi Brown protecting his blind side.
9. Miami: Levi Brown, OT, Penn State -- The Dolphins have not had a real solid left tackle since Richmond Webb. Brown will line up Week 1 in September and won't come off the field for 10 years.

finfan54
04-06-2007, 08:46 PM
Only because he had a good senior bowl. He was projected as a 3rd rounder in December..

That tells you how he was for his team in college - which is what really counts.. So yes, he would be a huge reach at 9 .. I'd much rather trade down if we can and get Staley who happens to be a superior pass blocker to Brown.



master Evaluator just lost his certification.

Sorry. And to those who would say he is not athletic, guess again. Just because he ran slow forty does not mean he is not athletic for a LT. Ive seen video of him pulling and lead blocking. Not only would this help protect our QB, but also help Ronnie and Ricky blow up the NFL.

finfan54
04-06-2007, 08:52 PM
wink:

http://video.msn.com/v/us/foxsports.htm?f=33&g=a53ccd2f-4352-4988-87ee-5fbf6cfa85fe&p=&t=m1490&rf=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6649680&fg=/nfl/draft/stories/writers/Peter+Schrager


Notice my man #67 as a pulling LT. Notice my man at the second level pancaking someone 15 yards down field.

Jaj
04-06-2007, 08:56 PM
Only because he had a good senior bowl. He was projected as a 3rd rounder in December..

That tells you how he was for his team in college - which is what really counts.. So yes, he would be a huge reach at 9 .. I'd much rather trade down if we can and get Staley who happens to be a superior pass blocker to Brown.

Third rounder? More like mid to late 1st rounder. Plus, I Phillip Rivers should be thrown out of the league by your reasoning.

JERSEYFINFAN23
04-06-2007, 10:22 PM
it could go either way, he could be the next robert Gallery, or the next great Lt in the league.

finfan54
04-06-2007, 10:30 PM
it could go either way, he could be the next robert Gallery, or the next great Lt in the league.

I see Levi Brown as more of a Tarrik Glenn. borderline PB player who may never get the honor but who sits at the position for a long time.

Finole
04-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Pete Prisco from CBS Sportlines rates Levi Brown the #9 overall prospect.
NFL Draft Countdown rates him #15.
Football's Future rates him #17.
ESPN rates him #8.
Mel Kiper rates him #12.
John Murphy from Yahoo! rates him #19.
Mike Mayock has him somewhere in the mid-teens.
Gil Brandt lists Brown as a Top Ten pick.
And our own Boomer rates him #17.
Fox Sports rates him #6 overall, right after Brady Quinn and before Gaines Adams.

So who do you believe?

If you average all that out, Levi Brown scores a rating of 12. I wouldn't call that a reach with the #9 pick. Not in the least.

ALL agree that Brown is the 2nd best LT coming out this year. He is the consensus #2. And a consensus 1st round pick.

dan the fin
04-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Pete Prisco from CBS Sportlines rates Levi Brown the #9 overall prospect.
NFL Draft Countdown rates him #15.
Football's Future rates him #17.
ESPN rates him #8.
Mel Kiper rates him #12.
John Murphy from Yahoo! rates him #19.
Mike Mayock has him somewhere in the mid-teens.
Gil Brandt lists Brown as a Top Ten pick.
And our own Boomer rates him #17.
Fox Sports rates him #6 overall, right after Brady Quinn and before Gaines Adams.

So who do you believe?

If you average all that out, Levi Brown scores a rating of 12. I wouldn't call that a reach with the #9 pick. Not in the least.

ALL agree that Brown is the 2nd best LT coming out this year. He is the consensus #2. And a consensus 1st round pick.

Yes I see all the ratings and it tells me what I have been saying he rose up the board because there are no other LT prospects. Cause if you look back when both Long and Baker was being rated before they decided not to come out he was no were to be found in the first round. This is a guy that was voted the 4th best tackle in the BIG TEN so he might not be a reach to those rating but I have seen him play a lot and he is not a top ten type tackle. He is an Alex Barron type that rated high because a lack of top talent at his position. SO really Brown should be sending out thank you letters to Long an Baker cause those two guys made Brown millions by deciding to return to school

Perfect23
04-06-2007, 10:49 PM
Brown = Bust!

Quinn=BUST!

dan the fin
04-06-2007, 10:53 PM
Third rounder? More like mid to late 1st rounder. Plus, I Phillip Rivers should be thrown out of the league by your reasoning.

And yes at times he was that low cause he was always rated below Long and Baker who were in the rankings at that time.

Finole
04-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Consider who we could pick instead:

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, and Gaines Adams are all but guaranteed to be off the board by the time we pick.

That leaves:

Adrian Peterson
Amobi Okoye
LaRon Landry
Patrick Willis
Jamaal Anderson
Alan Branch
Levi Brown
Leon Hall
Adam Carriker
Marshawn Lynch
Reggie Nelson
Ted Ginn Jr.

Adam Carriker, Marshawn Lynch, Reggie Nelson, and Ted Ginn Jr. are boderline Top Ten picks. So if you want to talk about a "reach," let's start with those guys.

Adrian Peterson would be a great pick. Except we've already got Ronnie Brown. And it looks like Ricky Williams will return.

Amobi Okoye would be great, too. But I'd like to see what Fred Evans and Rod Wright are capable of. Also, it seems very likely that another great DT will be available next year if we want to go that way. Just look at Tank Tyler, Justin Harrell, Baraka Atkins, and Kareem Brown. They're all 2nd round projections this year. Is Okoye really all that much better than them?

LaRon Landry is a tremendous talent. But are we really ready to give up on Jason Allen already?

Patrick Willis is great, too. The only negative with Willis is that he wouldn't start right away. And Crowder seems to be Zach's heir apparent.

Jamaal Anderson. He now has the same problem as Levi Brown. Scouts have him rated anywhere from #5 to #18. Who do you believe?

Alan Branch. See Okoye.

Leon Hall is the guy I would select if Levi Brown is off the board, and we can't trade down for a WR or another CB and some extra picks. Anytime scouts use the words "lockdown" and "corner" together in the same sentence when describing a player, that's good enough for me. He's got speed, can return punts, and he makes INTs unlike the CBs currently on our roster. And no character issues.

Finole
04-06-2007, 11:06 PM
Yes I see all the ratings and it tells me what I have been saying he rose up the board because there are no other LT prospects...

That doesn't make sense. The overall rankings are made regardless of position. There's no rule that says there has to be at least two LT prospects in the 1st round.

Take QB for instance. Drew Stanton is considered by some to be the #3 QB, but he isn't considered a 1st round pick. What about WR? Calvin Johnson, Ted Ginn, Robert Meachem, Dwayne Bowe, and Dwayne Jarrett are all 1st round projections.

You see what I'm saying? If there was only one LT prospect worthy of a 1st round grade, then there would only be one LT projected to go in the 1st round.

Levi Brown is not a 1st rounder or a Top Ten pick because he's the only other LT worthy of consideration. He's got his overall grade because he's considered one of the best prospects in the country. Period.

dlockz
04-06-2007, 11:21 PM
Problem is, not everybody is sold on Levi Brown being a top talent, let alone an anchor (like Thomas would be). Once Thomas is gone, we are better off using our pick (or wherever we go) to the high skill positions and let Mueller/Cam use their talents of finding diamonds-in-the-rough OL later in the draft. If we get 3-4 OL later in the draft (or even after the draft) then let them fight it out for open spots. I really don't see us taking an OL in the #9 spot. If we trade down, then it becomes more of a possibility, but not that early.


Maybe I'm mistaken but don't remember either cam or randy ever finding a diamond in the rough OL in thier career. Levi is a talent at a real position of need.

vadin
04-07-2007, 01:32 AM
Consider who we could pick instead:

Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, and Gaines Adams are all but guaranteed to be off the board by the time we pick.

That leaves:

Adrian Peterson
Amobi Okoye
LaRon Landry
Patrick Willis
Jamaal Anderson
Alan Branch
Levi Brown
Leon Hall
Adam Carriker
Marshawn Lynch
Reggie Nelson
Ted Ginn Jr.

Adam Carriker, Marshawn Lynch, Reggie Nelson, and Ted Ginn Jr. are boderline Top Ten picks. So if you want to talk about a "reach," let's start with those guys.

Adrian Peterson would be a great pick. Except we've already got Ronnie Brown. And it looks like Ricky Williams will return.

Amobi Okoye would be great, too. But I'd like to see what Fred Evans and Rod Wright are capable of. Also, it seems very likely that another great DT will be available next year if we want to go that way. Just look at Tank Tyler, Justin Harrell, Baraka Atkins, and Kareem Brown. They're all 2nd round projections this year. Is Okoye really all that much better than them?

LaRon Landry is a tremendous talent. But are we really ready to give up on Jason Allen already?

Patrick Willis is great, too. The only negative with Willis is that he wouldn't start right away. And Crowder seems to be Zach's heir apparent.

Jamaal Anderson. He now has the same problem as Levi Brown. Scouts have him rated anywhere from #5 to #18. Who do you believe?

Alan Branch. See Okoye.

Leon Hall is the guy I would select if Levi Brown is off the board, and we can't trade down for a WR or another CB and some extra picks. Anytime scouts use the words "lockdown" and "corner" together in the same sentence when describing a player, that's good enough for me. He's got speed, can return punts, and he makes INTs unlike the CBs currently on our roster. And no character issues.


Leon Hall is certainly no lockdown corner.....just ask Teddy Ginn :)

Sean
04-07-2007, 01:52 AM
Brown is not a reach at 9, he's ranked by most at being right in that range. Any player up to 15 should be definited as a legit pick. One team picking one way can easily cause a player to slide and one to come up. That's not a reach...

A reach is more like selecting a late first rounder like Chris Houston or Aaron Ross at 9.

I think Ross is a high 2nd rounder.

MastR_EvaluatoR
04-07-2007, 05:15 AM
Ive seen video of him pulling and lead blocking. Not only would this help protect our QB, but also help Ronnie and Ricky blow up the NFL.

What the heck does pulling have to do with anything ? Slow lineman ALWAYS pull ! Footwork in pulling and pass protection at left tackle are 2 ENTIRELY different things..

A Left Tackle has to block the best, and fastest pass rushers in the NFL . Woodley absolutely abused Levi Brown for 2 sacks and countless pressures (including QB knockdowns) when Penn State played Michigan .. And during Brown's career he has been a suspect tackle in pass protection..

Like I said, in December Levi Brown was projected as a 3rd rounder ..And for good reason, because he is suspect against the pass in college because his pass protection footwork is not up to par at all ..

And this is why so many experts say Brown is much better suited at right tackle.. And a right tackle is the only position that is solidified on Miami's line so Miami doesn't need Brown ..

Finole
04-07-2007, 07:03 AM
What the heck does pulling have to do with anything ? Slow lineman ALWAYS pull ! Footwork in pulling and pass protection at left tackle are 2 ENTIRELY different things..

A Left Tackle has to block the best, and fastest pass rushers in the NFL . Woodley absolutely abused Levi Brown for 2 sacks and countless pressures (including QB knockdowns) when Penn State played Michigan .. And during Brown's career he has been a suspect tackle in pass protection..

Like I said, in December Levi Brown was projected as a 3rd rounder ..And for good reason, because he is suspect against the pass in college because his pass protection footwork is not up to par at all.

And this is why so many experts say Brown is much better suited at right tackle.. And a right tackle is the only position that is solidified on Miami's line so Miami doesn't need Brown ..

You're repeating yourself. BTW, most scouts consider Brown a bona fide LT prospect.

Brown does need to improve his pass protection. But we've got Houck to help him do that.

On PATH TO THE DRAFT, Mike Mayock showed Levi Brown, when he does a good job in pass pro, he completely dominates the pass rusher. He just needs to be a little more consistent, that's all.

CpuFan
04-07-2007, 07:17 AM
With the 9th pick in the draft the Cardinals select Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson...

Because the FIns have traded up and selected QB Brady Quinn in the 5th slot!

finfan54
04-07-2007, 07:34 AM
What the heck does pulling have to do with anything ? Slow lineman ALWAYS pull ! Footwork in pulling and pass protection at left tackle are 2 ENTIRELY different things..

A Left Tackle has to block the best, and fastest pass rushers in the NFL . Woodley absolutely abused Levi Brown for 2 sacks and countless pressures (including QB knockdowns) when Penn State played Michigan .. And during Brown's career he has been a suspect tackle in pass protection..

Like I said, in December Levi Brown was projected as a 3rd rounder ..And for good reason, because he is suspect against the pass in college because his pass protection footwork is not up to par at all ..

And this is why so many experts say Brown is much better suited at right tackle.. And a right tackle is the only position that is solidified on Miami's line so Miami doesn't need Brown ..



So many experts? I bet you include yourself in that group.

And Joe Staley is going to be an absolute stud at LT right? Yeah right.

finfan54
04-07-2007, 07:36 AM
With the 9th pick in the draft the Cardinals select Gaines Adams, DE, Clemson...

Because the FIns have traded up and selected QB Brady Quinn in the 5th slot!



And then what? goin golfin? Put your ricky wig on and take the rest of the day off?

finfan54
04-07-2007, 07:39 AM
You're repeating yourself. BTW, most scouts consider Brown a bona fide LT prospect.

Brown does need to improve his pass protection. But we've got Houck to help him do that.

On PATH TO THE DRAFT, Mike Mayock showed Levi Brown, when he does a good job in pass pro, he completely dominates the pass rusher. He just needs to be a little more consistent, that's all.


I think cory Schlesinger will help out tons and we truly become a power run team then the pass blocking becomes a bit easier especially in our hybrid coryell, west coast offense.:lol:

finfan54
04-07-2007, 07:46 AM
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Kdawg954
04-07-2007, 07:59 AM
Here is some new reading material

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/teams/report/MIA/10113275

I love when the "experts" say . . . we need to draft so and so because we only have "unproven" players on the team. Doesn't drafting Levi Brown . . . or pretty much anybody still mean we have a "unproven player" on the team. Does Levi Brown beat out Carey and Alabi? I wouldn't bet on it. It may happen, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Levi instantly becomes the next Jason Allen. People call him a bust after he lets a few people beat him in the preseason in pass prot. I think he will be a good RT in this league for many year . . . LT not so certain . . . but I don't think he starts on this team come September . . . if he is drafted by us.

finfan54
04-07-2007, 10:20 AM
I love when the "experts" say . . . we need to draft so and so because we only have "unproven" players on the team. Doesn't drafting Levi Brown . . . or pretty much anybody still mean we have a "unproven player" on the team. Does Levi Brown beat out Carey and Alabi? I wouldn't bet on it. It may happen, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Levi instantly becomes the next Jason Allen. People call him a bust after he lets a few people beat him in the preseason in pass prot. I think he will be a good RT in this league for many year . . . LT not so certain . . . but I don't think he starts on this team come September . . . if he is drafted by us.

Your entitled to your opinion. Whatever. Dude has played LT for four years. Not Right Tackle.


I would certainly bet on Levi starting right away at LT why? Because he is a great run blocker and has played the postion against top competition unlike Alabi and others. There are only a few experts who have said that he may well end up a Right tackle. I dont buy it. Carey can play LT if they really want him to move there IMO but why do that when you have a guy who is a monster, is athletic for his size, makes all the blocks, locks onto people and they go nowhere, he pulls and lead blocks, goes to the second level and kicks ***. Why wouldnt you want this guy?

The problem with poeple on this board is that they really want another player and someone who we could legitimately need and use right away gets tossed out by people like yourself based on one opinion that gets spread to the rest of this board so you can all high-five yourselves into thinking something that really is not legitimate in the first place.


Mike Williams was a guy who was drafted #4 overall and then said he would end up a LT for the Bills but the guy never really played LT much in College and was a RT all along. Levi Brown has always been a LT.


And to those who say Joe Staley is a LT, then how can Levi Brown not be a LT? It doesnt jive.