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zach8111
04-08-2007, 10:47 PM
i know it has to do with some off the feild problems but i dont know what it was. Do you?

SQuinn17
04-08-2007, 10:51 PM
hes not that big

Nappy Roots
04-08-2007, 11:20 PM
hes not that big


lol, yes he is. you obviously havent seen him play much if you believe that. hes stocky and has a great build for a RB.

vmarcilfan75
04-08-2007, 11:27 PM
hes not that big

5'11 217 isnt big?

dominizzo
04-08-2007, 11:30 PM
he will be good

Elliott 1
04-08-2007, 11:39 PM
Draft Scout has him ranked 14th. If he is falling, he isn't falling far.

MexDolfan
04-09-2007, 12:01 AM
Unlike last drafts, this season there was a depth availability of great RB during free agency/trading period, so RB isn't as needed as in past drafts.
By the other hand, on December, Marshawn Lynch's former girlfriend accused him of sexual assault, event that linked to actual guarding of good profile on NFL players, is leading on drooping his drafting value for most of teams.
Just think about it, even he's the second on RB listed for the drafts, the number one, Adrian Peterson may be picked as high as #20 according to some mocks. Ok, i know AP may be taken on the top 5 of the draft, but hardly that may implicates that ML will go on the top 15.

Agent51
04-09-2007, 12:21 AM
5'11 217 isnt big?

It is, and 5/8, 247 is even bigger, which is what Nate Ilaoa from Hawai'i is, and I am an advocate for drafting the guy in the 7th round. He runs a 4.7 40, which sounds damn good for a guy that big, and imagine Ronnie Brown pounding on offenses all the way down the field and then he needs a breather and THIS guy comes in. Or even on goal line and short yardage 3rd downs this kid would be nasty.

Back on topic, I heard Marshawn is accused of sexually assaulting his ex-GF, which is prolly only coming to light not that he is set to make millions and she knows she isn't with him anymore to spend it, so a nice lawsuit settled out of court should do it :rolleyes2

Nappy Roots
04-09-2007, 12:23 AM
It is, and 5/8, 247 is even bigger, which is what Nate Ilaoa from Hawai'i is, and I am an advocate for drafting the guy in the 7th round. He runs a 4.7 40, which sounds damn good for a guy that big, and imagine Ronnie Brown pounding on offenses all the way down the field and then he needs a breather and THIS guy comes in. Or even on goal line and short yardage 3rd downs this kid would be nasty.


i watched him alot this year. he was fun as hell to watch. wouldnt hurt to bring him in with a 7th or undrafted FA.

Agent51
04-09-2007, 12:29 AM
i watched him alot this year. he was fun as hell to watch. wouldnt hurt to bring him in with a 7th or undrafted FA.

At least SOMEONE knows who I'm talking about :lol:. I'd love it man. Like with our last pick in the 7th, what is there to lose?

zach8111
04-09-2007, 02:04 AM
Draft Scout has him ranked 14th. If he is falling, he isn't falling far.
kirwans last mock had him out of the first round

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/10091269

zach8111
04-09-2007, 02:05 AM
At least SOMEONE knows who I'm talking about :lol:. I'd love it man. Like with our last pick in the 7th, what is there to lose?he definately wont fall that far

Agent51
04-09-2007, 02:14 AM
he definately wont fall that far

IDK, he's not very athletic and not a big play threat, plus he has had some injury problems, so a lot of teams could pass. I'd even be willing to snag him in round 6 though "just in case", because I think this kid is a BEAST.

Boomer
04-09-2007, 07:10 AM
He has other off field issues with regards the people he runs with and his inability to cut them adrift. As one scout said:

"I don't worry about him on the field. It's off the field that I worry about. Nagged by injuries and behavioral questions. I think he's just kind of a pain in the (expletive). Nothing real bad but you're just getting a different type of guy. You just have to know there's some ugly things there. He's a different type of bird. You've got to deal with that. He's got that group of friends that aren't going away."

colmax
04-09-2007, 08:54 AM
It is, and 5/8, 247 is even bigger, which is what Nate Ilaoa from Hawai'i is, and I am an advocate for drafting the guy in the 7th round. He runs a 4.7 40, which sounds damn good for a guy that big, and imagine Ronnie Brown pounding on offenses all the way down the field and then he needs a breather and THIS guy comes in. Or even on goal line and short yardage 3rd downs this kid would be nasty.

Back on topic, I heard Marshawn is accused of sexually assaulting his ex-GF, which is prolly only coming to light not that he is set to make millions and she knows she isn't with him anymore to spend it, so a nice lawsuit settled out of court should do it :rolleyes2

Dude, do not make light of a serious issue. What if Marshawn did force himself on his girl when she did not want anything to do with him? Could we still make light of that?

Could care less about the guy. He is not coming to Miami. And if he really did what he is accused of, spit on him.....



**BTW, 5'11"/217 is not a big runningback. That's Cadillac's size. Ronnie Brown (6'/232) is a big runningback.

Maggot Brain
04-09-2007, 09:09 AM
I seem to remember his short shuttle time (and possibly cone drill time as well) was among the slowest, if not the slowest, of all the running backs invited to the combine. Draftniks correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the intent of the short shuttle drill is to measure how quickly an individual can change direction and, specific to running backs, their "wiggle". It would be one thing if he were strictly a straight ahead, smash mouth runner ala Christian Okoye, but that's not his bag or his build. Add to this (as well as the afore mentioned character concerns) the poor, recent NFL track record of numerous product-of-the-Tedford/Cal-system offensive skilled position players (see JJ Arrington and a laundry list of QBs) and you can start to understand why teams may be wary of investing a first round pick on him.

Minibull
04-09-2007, 09:14 AM
I seem to remember his short shuttle time (and possibly cone drill time as well) was among the slowest, if not the slowest, of all the running backs invited to the combine. Draftniks correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the intent of the short shuttle drill is to measure how quickly an individual can change direction and, specific to running backs, their "wiggle".

MB hit it right on the head... :yeahthat:

Finfan53
04-09-2007, 09:58 AM
It could be that he didn't interview well at the combine....but who know's?

Elliott 1
04-09-2007, 10:18 AM
Dude, do not make light of a serious issue. What if Marshawn did force himself on his girl when she did not want anything to do with him? Could we still make light of that?

Could care less about the guy. He is not coming to Miami. And if he really did what he is accused of, spit on him.....



**BTW, 5'11"/217 is not a big runningback. That's Cadillac's size. Ronnie Brown (6'/232) is a big runningback.

It's the Kobe Bryant syndrome. If your good enough and can make enough money you can rape who ever you want. Get it. Some people belong in jail and not making millions in sports. Others are innocent. It really isn't that hard to distinguish between the two, but money talks loudest; and that ain't right.

vmarcilfan75
04-09-2007, 10:42 AM
It's the Kobe Bryant syndrome. If your good enough and can make enough money you can rape who ever you want. Get it. Some people belong in jail and not making millions in sports. Others are innocent. It really isn't that hard to distinguish between the two, but money talks loudest; and that ain't right.

STFU


:shakeno:

Boomer
04-09-2007, 10:55 AM
STFU


:shakeno:

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Oddly, elliott makes a very interesting and valid point, in that the richer you are, the easier it is to get out of things like rape.

Unless of course you agree that the richer you are, the more you can get away with?

vmarcilfan75
04-09-2007, 11:08 AM
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Oddly, elliott makes a very interesting and valid point, in that the richer you are, the easier it is to get out of things like rape.

Unless of course you agree that the richer you are, the more you can get away with?

i dont think Kobe raped the girl.
But whatever this is about Marshawn Lynch dropping not about "if you have money you can rape whoever you want" :rolleyes2

Boomer
04-09-2007, 12:03 PM
i dont think Kobe raped the girl.
But whatever this is about Marshawn Lynch dropping not about "if you have money you can rape whoever you want" :rolleyes2

The thing is, unless you're Bryant or the girl in qjuestion, you'll never know.

And the Lynch thing, he was being faecitious - as I said - the higher you go, the easier it is to beat a rape charge. It's wrong, but it's fact.

vmarcilfan75
04-09-2007, 01:05 PM
The thing is, unless you're Bryant or the girl in qjuestion, you'll never know.

And the Lynch thing, he was being faecitious - as I said - the higher you go, the easier it is to beat a rape charge. It's wrong, but it's fact.


So do you think Green Bay passes on him? Or do you think they're looking at a different position?

MelbournePhin
04-09-2007, 03:01 PM
no offense, but who cares?

PhinsRock
04-09-2007, 03:29 PM
Who cares? He won't wear a Fins uni and he is apparently a thug, don't want him.

Boomer
04-09-2007, 03:43 PM
So do you think Green Bay passes on him? Or do you think they're looking at a different position?

I think they have an interest. A strong interest.

We shall see.

Jaj
04-09-2007, 03:45 PM
I think they have an interest. A strong interest.

We shall see.

Well suffice to say they're in need of a RB more than a WR with Greg Jennings and Donald Driver, relatively good options at WR.

The question for us is, how badly do they want Peterson over Lynch?

okayokay
04-09-2007, 04:01 PM
As a Cal fan, I don't know why Lynch's stock is slipping. Only Pat Kirwin, as far as I know, has dropped him out of the 1st round. But ProFootballTalk questioned Kirwin's motives a few weeks ago.

Here are the facts of Lynch's *ENTIRE* off-the-field problems:

--Lynch was accused by his high school ex-girlfriend, BUT never arrested or charged with a crime (and he's never been charged or arrested for a crime in his life).

--The Alameda County prosecutor, a specialist in domestic violence, declined to press charges, citing a lack of evidence, inconsistencies in the victim's story and an eyewitness, who said nothing happened.

--This whole story came to light when his ex-girlfriend obtained a restraining order against Lynch. That restraining order has since been thrown out of court (http://www.dailycal.org/sharticle.php?id=23700) because it was obtained illegally.


--As the Oakland Tribune reports (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_20070129/ai_n17161508):


No charges against Cal football star Marshawn Lynch

By Harry Harris

OAKLAND - Citing several reasons, including "some grave inconsistencies" in the complaining woman's story, Alameda County prosecutors decided Monday not to file domestic violence related charges against UC Berkeley football star Marshawn Lynch.

The decision was made by Senior Deputy District Attorney Kim Hunter, an expert in domestic violence cases.


Hunter said one of the key reasons for the decision not to prosecute was that the woman making the complaint gave conflicting statements in the police report and to officers doing the follow-up investigation.


"The victim's story has some grave inconsistencies," Hunter said.

In the initial police report, there was only a mention of Lynch "grabbing and pushing" the woman. But the woman added other details of the confrontation in later interviews and documents.


One of those documents was a petition for a restraining order in which the woman said Lynch, "choke me. slap me then slap himself. pick me up and though(sic) me in the car laid on top of me with his hands over my mouth."


Other reasons cited by Hunter for not charging the case included no visible injuries to the woman, no pictures of any injuries and a statement from someone who knows both Lynch and the woman and was present at the so-called confrontation that "nothing happened" between them.The other "off-field issue" that has been cited was a drive-by shooting from last June in which Lynch was in the line of fire.

Here are the facts of that case:

--Lynch was in a car that was shot at around noontime in front of his high school when he was visiting his little sister on her graduation day.

--It was a case of mistaken identity.

--Represensatives for the shooter later came to his mom and apologized.

Here's the story (and video): (http://www.foxreno.com/news/9373149/detail.html)


OAKLAND -- A top athlete at UC Berkeley returned to his high school alma mater in Oakland (http://www.foxreno.com/news/9373149/detail.html#) Wednesday afternoon, only to be caught in the middle of a wild shooting. The incident left no one injured, but forced the school to alter graduation plans out of safety concerns.

Cal's starting running back Marshawn Lynch is a graduate of Oakland Tech and a potential candidate for college football's (http://www.foxreno.com/news/9373149/detail.html#) Heisman Trophy. Lynch was visiting his younger sister on her last day at Oakland Tech on Broadway at 42nd Street when suddenly bullets started flying.The shooting happened around noon.

Witnesses say about five or six shots were fired toward a car near the campus.No one was hurt, but school officials still scrambled to lock down the campus.

(SNIP)

Outside the theater, Marshawn Lynch's mother said that her son was at the campus visiting friends and just wanted to wish his sister well on her last day of school. She also said a representative of the shooter went to her home to tell her that Marshawn was not the intended target of the shooting and to apologize. The above is the entirety of his "off-field issues" that have been documented on record. (Anonymous whispers by NFL scouts who want to devalue him so he would drop is another thing, entirely.)

I followed him for three years at Cal, and never heard a negative thing about him. (I dare you to find something negative about him, documented, other than the above two items.)

In fact, he's been a high-quality character guy. But unfortunately, this accusation has permanently latched onto him.

ALSO: If Lynch is such a horrible person, why is he starring in a Nike advertising campaign (http://www.jacksonville.com/apnews/stories/032107/D8O0R1QG2.shtml)? (along with 8 other 1st round draft picks.)

PhinfanUK
04-09-2007, 04:04 PM
I think the biggest reason he's dropping is because there really isn't that much need for him out there. If Peterson drops to the Bills or if they trade for Turner then he obviously wont go there. The Packers seem like the best landing spot for him but they might prefer to take a safety like Nelson. Some mocks have Jamaal Anderson dropping that far and if that's the case they would definitely pass up on Lynch. The Titans may prefer to get a guy in a later round considering how high they picked Lendale White and the Giants have needs at cornerback and linebacker to address.