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MrClean
04-08-2007, 11:15 PM
I've been adding and removing names the past few days, except for the 1st rounder of course, which is a definite in my mind. This is more how I think they should do it, NOT a prediction of what I think our Phins will do.

1. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska - games are won up front and he will be the best lineman on the board when we pick. In my opinion, the safest picks in the entire draft are Calvin Johnson, Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis and Ryan Kalil.

2. LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan - fast, athletic tweener who would be a nice replacement in David Bowens' old roles on the team. Could fill in at SOLB or OE in the Dolphins defense and may eventually replace one of the two starters in a couple of years.

2a. Doug Free OT Northen Illinois - Has the physical tools to play RT right away and in time could develop into a solid LT. He’d provide depth and competition at the OT spots and could also play guard if needed, based on his ability to pull, trap and block downfield.

3. Samson Satele C Hawaii - 2nd best center in the draft and Cam believes in building from the inside out. He has a strong base and good balance with plenty of experience as a pass blocker, which is an area we really need to upgrade in the interior.

4. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso – Has excellent deep speed and would help us stretch the field. He is a fine leaper, solidly built and was very productive at UTEP. Also has experience as a KO returner. Probably the 3rd fastest prospect in this draft, after Ginn and Figurs.

6. Matt Gutierrez QB Idaho State – Michigan transfer was compared there to Tom Brady and has the tools and mental makeup to be the #1 sleeper amongst all QBs in this draft.

6a. Kyle Cook OG/C Michigan State - has been showing enough in workouts to make him a consideration at either guard or center. Houck reportedly has some interest in him and he has the upper body strength to be the type of inside player Hudson seems to prefer.

7. Dante Rosario TE Oregon - TE is a very important part of Cameron's offense and right now we have two very average TEs and a bunch of throwaways. He opened a lot of eyes with a solid combine performance and his skills would translate well to Cam's offense, in my opinion.

7a. Matt Toeaina DL Oregon – Quick strong and versatile technician could provide solid depth at any line position in the 3-4 or 4-3 and could eventually compete for a starting job on the inside. I like the Samoan kids as a general rule, b/c they are usually intense, naturally strong and powerful. Matt has a 455 bench and a 368 lb power clean and could be our NT in a few years.

dominizzo
04-08-2007, 11:22 PM
I like

Elliott 1
04-08-2007, 11:36 PM
I've been adding and removing names the past few days, except for the 1st rounder of course, which is a definite in my mind. This is more how I think they should do it, NOT a prediction of what I think our Phins will do.

1. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska - games are won up front and he will be the best lineman on the board when we pick. In my opinion, the safest picks in the entire draft are Calvin Johnson, Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis and Ryan Kalil.

2. LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan - fast, athletic tweener who would be a nice replacement in David Bowens' old roles on the team. Could fill in at SOLB or OE in the Dolphins defense and may eventually replace one of the two starters in a couple of years.

2a. Doug Free OT Northen Illinois - Has the physical tools to play RT right away and in time could develop into a solid LT. He’d provide depth and competition at the OT spots and could also play guard if needed, based on his ability to pull, trap and block downfield.

3. Samson Satele C Hawaii - 2nd best center in the draft and Cam believes in building from the inside out. He has a strong base and good balance with plenty of experience as a pass blocker, which is an area we really need to upgrade in the interior.

4. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso – Has excellent deep speed and would help us stretch the field. He is a fine leaper, solidly built and was very productive at UTEP. Also has experience as a KO returner. Probably the 3rd fastest prospect in this draft, after Ginn and Figurs.

6. Matt Gutierrez QB Idaho State – Michigan transfer was compared there to Tom Brady and has the tools and mental makeup to be the #1 sleeper amongst all QBs in this draft.

6a. Kyle Cook OG/C Michigan State - has been showing enough in workouts to make him a consideration at either guard or center. Houck reportedly has some interest in him and he has the upper body strength to be the type of inside player Hudson seems to prefer.

7. Dante Rosario TE Oregon - TE is a very important part of Cameron's offense and right now we have two very average TEs and a bunch of throwaways. He opened a lot of eyes with a solid combine performance and his skills would translate well to Cam's offense, in my opinion.

7a. Matt Toeaina DL Oregon – Quick strong and versatile technician could provide solid depth at any line position in the 3-4 or 4-3 and could eventually compete for a starting job on the inside. I like the Samoan kids as a general rule, b/c they are usually intense, naturally strong and powerful. Matt has a 455 bench and a 368 lb power clean and could be our NT in a few years.


We badly need to improve our secondary and your picking us two backups with our 1st two picks. Unbeleivable

I like your choice's of Free and Satele but if we don't take them both in the second we will only get one of them.

Isn't Higgins projected 2nd round, c'mon guys, we need to keep it real.

C-

MustangFinFan
04-08-2007, 11:36 PM
DE with our first two picks???

Jaj
04-08-2007, 11:37 PM
Wrong pay more attention to draft stock and Higgins' is on the way down. You drafted two backups but soon to be big time starters necessary for keeping this defense the way it is. Picking straight up for need is how you get a bust.

You want to be like the Patriots? Then draft the best players period.

Hoot {MWB}
04-08-2007, 11:38 PM
Karriker at #9!? You might get some hate mail on these boards for that, but man I'd take it. GO BIG RED! I believe he could come in and start day 1. You put Holliday at NT, Roth and Karriker at DE, with Porter and Taylor at OLB, Thomas and Crowder ILB...sick man. Just sick.

If we didn't take Kalil (if available) with our 2nd pick, then Samson Satele would be solid in the 3rd. I'm not sold on Doug Free though. Personally, I'd take Ryan Harris over him...and Harris you could get in the 3rd.

Woodley with 2nd pick...I wouldn't go that route. Don't need him. And the one thing that hurts us the most, no secondary picks anywhere. Our front 7 would be deadly, but our DBs would SUCK AGAIN!!!

Jaj
04-08-2007, 11:45 PM
My friend after thinking about it, the only thing I disagree about is that Woodley selection versus a secondary selection. I realize it's a talented class of DEs but a player who could also compete for a full starting job could be selected at 40. Whether that's a cornerback or safety.

Bravo otherwise...

MrClean
04-09-2007, 12:06 AM
Karriker at #9!? You might get some hate mail on these boards for that, but man I'd take it. GO BIG RED! I believe he could come in and start day 1. You put Holliday at NT, Roth and Karriker at DE, with Porter and Taylor at OLB, Thomas and Crowder ILB...sick man. Just sick.

If we didn't take Kalil (if available) with our 2nd pick, then Samson Satele would be solid in the 3rd. I'm not sold on Doug Free though. Personally, I'd take Ryan Harris over him...and Harris you could get in the 3rd.

Woodley with 2nd pick...I wouldn't go that route. Don't need him. And the one thing that hurts us the most, no secondary picks anywhere. Our front 7 would be deadly, but our DBs would SUCK AGAIN!!!

Anyone who thinks Carriker isn't worth the 9th overall pick is just ignorant.
He'll be the next Dan Hampton IMO.
You can never have enough depth on the DL. Even if Adam didn't start, he'd see plenty of action rotating series with Roth and Holliday, keeping them all fresh. Then in the 4th quarter, they'd be even more devastating.

IMO, we need a guy like Woodley to back up Taylor and Porter. Right now, there is next to nothing behind them. If we had resigned Bowens, then I would agree.
I'd not be against adding a DB at some point, and if I do another mock draft, I'll put one in there.
I do think our DBs will be better than last year even if the same group, just by Jason Allen being more experienced and hopefully Travis Daniels won't be playing through an ankle injury all year. Bell being a starter all year should help too. Hope we get him locked up long term sometime soon. If he signs the RFA tender, he'll be a UFA again next year.

MrClean
04-09-2007, 12:13 AM
My friend after thinking about it, the only thing I disagree about is that Woodley selection versus a secondary selection. I realize it's a talented class of DEs but a player who could also compete for a full starting job could be selected at 40. Whether that's a cornerback or safety.

Bravo otherwise... At some point we need a guy who can replace Bowens. We could add a guy like Meriweather at #40 and hope for Moses or Bazuin in the 4th. Then we'd need a WR later on, and may have to forgo the 3rd OL or take the WR with the last pick, and hope we strike gold like NO did last year. :)

Danny
04-09-2007, 12:14 AM
Anyone who thinks Carriker isn't worth the 9th overall pick is just ignorant.
He'll be the next Dan Hampton IMO.
You can never have enough depth on the DL. Even if Adam didn't start, he'd see plenty of action rotating series with Roth and Holliday, keeping them all fresh. Then in the 4th quarter, they'd be even more devastating.

IMO, we need a guy like Woodley to back up Taylor and Porter. Right now, there is next to nothing behind them. If we had resigned Bowens, then I would agree.
I'd not be against adding a DB at some point, and if I do another mock draft, I'll put one in there.
I do think our DBs will be better than last year even if the same group, just by Jason Allen being more experienced and hopefully Travis Daniels won't be playing through an ankle injury all year. Bell being a starter all year should help too. Hope we get him locked up long term sometime soon. If he signs the RFA tender, he'll be a UFA again next year.

Dan Hampton? He was a DT not a DE.He's a good player tho but I don't see us going DE with our top 2 picks.

Ozzy rules!!

MrClean
04-09-2007, 12:26 AM
Dan Hampton? He was a DT not a DE.He's a good player tho but I don't see us going DE with our top 2 picks.

Ozzy rules!!
Hampton could play end or tackle in the 4-3, so can Carriker. If Hampton would have played in a 3-4, he'd have been a LDE.
When Hampton played on the Bears DL with McMichael, Perry and Dent, which position do you think he played?

I guess we don't need anyone decent to back up Taylor or Porter? We currently have Akbar Gbaja-Biamila as the only player behind Taylor and our backup at SAM is Jim Maxwell. Sorry, but that does not make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Woodley is NOT even close to the same type of player that Carriker is. Their roles would be entirely different, so to just say we would be drafting two DEs is overly simplistic.

taylormvp99
04-09-2007, 02:58 AM
I don't like it. The defense was good this year but Miami needs offense. They will go nowhere again with an offense of Culpepper, Brown, Chambers, Booker, Martin, and an average o-line. Culpepper is finished. Most of this draft should be offense. I'd improve the defense next year through the draft. The defense is old but it's not like Taylor, Thomas, Holliday, and Porter are in their last year.

MexDolfan
04-09-2007, 04:24 AM
I don't like it. The defense was good this year but Miami needs offense. They will go nowhere again with an offense of Culpepper, Brown, Chambers, Booker, Martin, and an average o-line. Culpepper is finished. Most of this draft should be offense. I'd improve the defense next year through the draft. The defense is old but it's not like Taylor, Thomas, Holliday, and Porter are in their last year.
That not what i would call solution. If every part of our defense is aging and we do nothing, then a whole new set of rockies next season to replace would mean to lose no just this, but next in rebuilding.
Cam is worried about offense, so has target OT, G, C, QB and perhaps WR and even RB as wish list for the draft. At defense, NT, CB, DE and FS are holes to fill. But our coaching staff and front office know that after the draft there will be tons of cuts and some positions will be fixed with free agents.
So don't become crazy and wait until the end of free agency to qualify the new order at home.

miamiron
04-09-2007, 05:45 AM
Wrong pay more attention to draft stock and Higgins' is on the way down. You drafted two backups but soon to be big time starters necessary for keeping this defense the way it is. Picking straight up for need is how you get a bust.

You want to be like the Patriots? Then draft the best players period.

Higgins ran a 4.34 and a 4.39 forty at his pro day so I doubt very much he is slipping!

JWA
04-09-2007, 05:49 AM
I am torn. Here's what I am thinking. You should be drafting first day picks to start or make specific contributions in their first year. The only exception to this is QB's, who take longer to groom. On the other hand, if you don't take BPA, then sooner or later, the overall depth of your team will suffer. Most mock drafts have us taking Brown at #9. Why, because he fills a need and would start from day one, plus it is a weak draft for o-line and if we don't take him at #9 the Texan's will probably take him at #10. However, I think if we don't take him we should go defence with first pick. BTW, I don't want us to take Brown at all.
If we are going to draft defence, there are three guys under consideration at #9. They are Carriker, Hall, and Willis. The defence had 47 (?) sacks last year. Despite adequate pressure on the opposition QB we could only manage 9 interceptions and only 5 of those came from DB's. So the defensive pick based purely on need would have to be Hall in my opinion. However, there is no doubt in my mind that Willis is BPA at that point. He is supposed to be a middle linebacker, but he could also back up at OLB. Carriker is the odd man out in this scenario.
However, what if Peterson falls to #9? The Dolphins war room will be a very busy place indeed. If we traded down with Buffalo or Grenn Bay and still wanted to go defence with our first pick and Carriker would be a great choice as BPA/value. Also, I believe that, to a large extent, the winner and loser of a football game is determined by which team wins the battle of the trenches. When in doubt, fortify the line. If we trade down to #16, Carriker may be gone, but we could still get Revis, the CB from Pittsburgh
Now, if we go defence with first pick then we have to go best o-line available at #40. There is going to be a run on o-line between 33-40. The best o-line available at that point may be Sears, the guard from Tennessee. Even though I understand your point about losing Bowens and needing a tweener to back up Porter and Taylor, we can't win if we don't move the ball. On average, 16 points per game is pretty pathetic, so we need to resupply the o-line here, if we don't take Brown at #9.
At #60, we have options. We still need to address our pathetic secondary, WR, or QB of the future. If QB Stanton or WR Gonzales are available here, they should be chosen. Otherwise it's the best safety or corner available. I believe we should go corner because there is good safety value in round #4. Jackson, MacCauley, Wilson or Wright should be the pick here.
At# 71 I like both Higgins or Satele. Al Davis loves speedy WR. So, if he doesn't take CJ at #1, Higgins will be gone early rd3. So let's take Satele for all the reasons you have already mentioned.
At # 108 we have to go safety. Possibilities include Payne, Johnson and Gattis.
At # 181 We should go WR. Stuckey from Clemson or Broussard from San Jose State would be good value here.
At # 199. A guy like Dan Santucci who can play centre or guard would be ideal here.
At #219. take another safety like Darren Stone from Maine. At the worst, he will be a special teams standout.
At #238. I think we should draft a punter. I read somewhere Jones' net droped about 4 yards per punt last year from the year before.

first&goal
04-09-2007, 07:00 AM
1 DE Jamal Anderson
2 QB Kevin Kolb
2 WR Sidney Rice
3 CB Marcus Mc Cauley
4 G Uche Nwaneri
6 WR Paul Williams
6 DT Louis Leonard
7 T Charles Harris
7 OLB Dallas Sartz

finfan54
04-09-2007, 07:11 AM
I like mine better. we need a LT not a RT. We dont need a tweener OLB type anymore, not to mention you got a DE which the tweener would take the position of in the 3-4. That is JT half the time anyways.

Boomer
04-09-2007, 07:14 AM
I've been adding and removing names the past few days, except for the 1st rounder of course, which is a definite in my mind. This is more how I think they should do it, NOT a prediction of what I think our Phins will do.

1. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska - games are won up front and he will be the best lineman on the board when we pick. In my opinion, the safest picks in the entire draft are Calvin Johnson, Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis and Ryan Kalil.

2. LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan - fast, athletic tweener who would be a nice replacement in David Bowens' old roles on the team. Could fill in at SOLB or OE in the Dolphins defense and may eventually replace one of the two starters in a couple of years.

2a. Doug Free OT Northen Illinois - Has the physical tools to play RT right away and in time could develop into a solid LT. He’d provide depth and competition at the OT spots and could also play guard if needed, based on his ability to pull, trap and block downfield.

3. Samson Satele C Hawaii - 2nd best center in the draft and Cam believes in building from the inside out. He has a strong base and good balance with plenty of experience as a pass blocker, which is an area we really need to upgrade in the interior.

4. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso – Has excellent deep speed and would help us stretch the field. He is a fine leaper, solidly built and was very productive at UTEP. Also has experience as a KO returner. Probably the 3rd fastest prospect in this draft, after Ginn and Figurs.

6. Matt Gutierrez QB Idaho State – Michigan transfer was compared there to Tom Brady and has the tools and mental makeup to be the #1 sleeper amongst all QBs in this draft.

6a. Kyle Cook OG/C Michigan State - has been showing enough in workouts to make him a consideration at either guard or center. Houck reportedly has some interest in him and he has the upper body strength to be the type of inside player Hudson seems to prefer.

7. Dante Rosario TE Oregon - TE is a very important part of Cameron's offense and right now we have two very average TEs and a bunch of throwaways. He opened a lot of eyes with a solid combine performance and his skills would translate well to Cam's offense, in my opinion.

7a. Matt Toeaina DL Oregon – Quick strong and versatile technician could provide solid depth at any line position in the 3-4 or 4-3 and could eventually compete for a starting job on the inside. I like the Samoan kids as a general rule, b/c they are usually intense, naturally strong and powerful. Matt has a 455 bench and a 368 lb power clean and could be our NT in a few years.

Nice work Marvin.

A lot of guys on there that we KNOW Miami has a very strong interest in. I absolutely think we could go D with our 1st two picks. Carriker is such a tremendous value pick at 9 and his ability to play the 5 and the 3, especially as he'll be on the field a lot in the rotation, makes him a very strong option. I think I'd take Kolb at 40 if he's there, personally.

Boomer
04-09-2007, 07:19 AM
I like mine better. we need a LT not a RT. We dont need a tweener OLB type anymore, not to mention you got a DE which the tweener would take the position of in the 3-4. That is JT half the time anyways.

I love how you flash your knowledge on this place. Note how you bottled replying elsewhere when you'd had your tail handed to you.

Who's the RT?

Why don't we need Woodley? Has there been an announcement that we're going to 4-3? And Woodley wouldn't play end in a 3-4. And Carriker would play the strongside, not the weak, so that point is null and void.

And good as Jason Taylor is, you need to start looking at the future.

Boomer
04-09-2007, 07:21 AM
c'mon guys, we need to keep it real.

C-


One of the most knowledgeable posters on the forum and elliott says this.

The Zoo is so apt.

aj13
04-09-2007, 10:04 AM
i made a post recently that if one of the top players like quinn doesnt make it to 9 look for the dolphins to slide down to around 13-16...at that spot the dolphins might be able to pick up carriker, olson, okoye, gin and a couple others they have their radar on...

PhinstiGator
04-09-2007, 10:12 AM
It's a decent draft talent wise...I'm just a bit disappointed to not walk away with some offensive help with the first two picks. We will be by-passing some excellent offensive playmakers/foundation builders, in order to strengthen an already strong defense.

Your mock would be an excellent rebuild mock...but, wouldn't imediately improve the glaring needs on offense or defensive backfield.

I think we need to skew the top portion of the draft toward offensive playmakers with the greatest talent.

The backend of the draft needs to be filled with players that have the greatest chance to make the team...regardless and in light of position.

kcbrown
04-09-2007, 10:37 AM
Nice mock Mr Clean...I would not be mad if it went down like that....if we can get this o-line going and a have turnover free QB and keep up the solid D, we can make some noise this year...Cam will make sure this offense isn't run-run-pass like it has been for so long....

and I needed to see that pretty face in your avatar, reminds me of the good things in life....

The Confessor
04-09-2007, 10:38 AM
Sorry Clean,
With exceptions of Satale, Higgins Rosario I hate it. Carriker is gonna be a good player somewhere, but we have WAY to many other needs before we start addressing wants.
Free maybe if he slips to 4th would be nice. but I expect better Olinemen still available in the 2nd

Finole
04-09-2007, 03:53 PM
I've been adding and removing names the past few days, except for the 1st rounder of course, which is a definite in my mind. This is more how I think they should do it, NOT a prediction of what I think our Phins will do.

1. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska - games are won up front and he will be the best lineman on the board when we pick. In my opinion, the safest picks in the entire draft are Calvin Johnson, Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis and Ryan Kalil.

If those are the choices, then I'd prefer Willis. He's rated highter by just about every scout in the country. And ZT is entering his 13th year. He'll be 34 when the season starts.


2. LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan - fast, athletic tweener who would be a nice replacement in David Bowens' old roles on the team. Could fill in at SOLB or OE in the Dolphins defense and may eventually replace one of the two starters in a couple of years.

Woodley is a solid pick. But we have so many needs on offense, surely there is an offensive player rated just as high who would fill a more pressing need.

How about WR Sidney Rice from South Carolina? He could eventually be better than Chambers. A 1st round talent who should be available in the 2nd because the draft is so deep at WR this year.


2a. Doug Free OT Northen Illinois - Has the physical tools to play RT right away and in time could develop into a solid LT. He’d provide depth and competition at the OT spots and could also play guard if needed, based on his ability to pull, trap and block downfield.

As has already been mentioned, I don't like Free because the Fins need a LT not a RT. Levi Brown, Adam Koets, and Ryan Harris seem like the most viable options.


3. Samson Satele C Hawaii - 2nd best center in the draft and Cam believes in building from the inside out. He has a strong base and good balance with plenty of experience as a pass blocker, which is an area we really need to upgrade in the interior.

Good pick.


4. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso – Has excellent deep speed and would help us stretch the field. He is a fine leaper, solidly built and was very productive at UTEP. Also has experience as a KO returner. Probably the 3rd fastest prospect in this draft, after Ginn and Figurs.

Actually, David Clowney, Mike Walker, Brandon Myles, and Laurent Robinson are all faster. If Aundrae Allison slips to the 4th, that would be no-brainer.

I'm on the fence concerning Higgins. His return skills do give him added value. He was very productive in college. That being said, why isn't he rated higher?


6. Matt Gutierrez QB Idaho State – Michigan transfer was compared there to Tom Brady and has the tools and mental makeup to be the #1 sleeper amongst all QBs in this draft.

Interesting. But Gutierrez could end up going undrafted. Is he really worth a 6th round pick?

Also by selecting Gutierrez you might be passing up Jackie Battle or Chris Henry. Two very fast, very powerful running backs that could be our #3 RB (and eventually maybe more) and contribute on special teams right away.


6a. Kyle Cook OG/C Michigan State - has been showing enough in workouts to make him a consideration at either guard or center. Houck reportedly has some interest in him and he has the upper body strength to be the type of inside player Hudson seems to prefer.

I prefer Kasey Studdard in the 7th. Mean and nasty. This guy could be the steal of the draft.


7. Dante Rosario TE Oregon - TE is a very important part of Cameron's offense and right now we have two very average TEs and a bunch of throwaways. He opened a lot of eyes with a solid combine performance and his skills would translate well to Cam's offense, in my opinion.

I don't think we're drafting a TE this year. Cameron seems happy with Martin. But you never know who or what to believe until the day after the draft.


7a. Matt Toeaina DL Oregon – Quick strong and versatile technician could provide solid depth at any line position in the 3-4 or 4-3 and could eventually compete for a starting job on the inside. I like the Samoan kids as a general rule, b/c they are usually intense, naturally strong and powerful. Matt has a 455 bench and a 368 lb power clean and could be our NT in a few years.

Why is Toeaina better than Rod Wright or Fred Evans?

Personally, I like going after special teams guys in the 7th round. It's extremely rare to find a starter in the 7th round (unless he's starting on special teams).

I like SS Craig Dahl. He was a special teams standout at North Dakota St.

Jaj
04-09-2007, 04:00 PM
If those are the choices, then I'd prefer Willis. He's rated highter by just about every scout in the country. And ZT is entering his 13th year. He'll be 34 when the season starts.



Woodley is a solid pick. But we have so many needs on offense, surely there is an offensive player rated just as high who would fill a more pressing need.

How about WR Sidney Rice from South Carolina? He could eventually be better than Chambers. A 1st round talent who should be available in the 2nd because the draft is so deep at WR this year.



As has already been mentioned, I don't like Free because the Fins need a LT not a RT. Levi Brown, Adam Koets, and Ryan Harris seem like the most viable options.



Good pick.



Actually, David Clowney, Mike Walker, Brandon Myles, and Laurent Robinson are all faster. If Aundrae Allison slips to the 4th, that would be no-brainer.

I'm on the fence concerning Higgins. His return skills do give him added value. He was very productive in college. That being said, why isn't he rated higher?



Interesting. But Gutierrez could end up going undrafted. Is he really worth a 6th round pick?

Also by selecting Gutierrez you might be passing up Jackie Battle or Chris Henry. Two very fast, very powerful running backs that could be our #3 RB (and eventually maybe more) and contribute on special teams right away.



I prefer Kasey Studdard in the 7th. Mean and nasty. This guy could be the steal of the draft.



I don't think we're drafting a TE this year. Cameron seems happy with Martin. But you never know who or what to believe until the day after the draft.



Why is Toeaina better than Rod Wright or Fred Evans?

Personally, I like going after special teams guys in the 7th round. It's extremely rare to find a starter in the 7th round (unless he's starting on special teams).

I like SS Craig Dahl. He was a special teams standout at North Dakota St.

Watch Higgins play and he's much faster than those guys. The TE was a late round pick so it's really a waste of time writing critical condescending comments on late rounders. It's useless really...

Free is very athletic and can play left tackle. I think he's projecting Willis to be gone by the way. Willis would make sense honestly, I just don't see it happening.

MrClean
04-09-2007, 04:31 PM
Watch Higgins play and he's much faster than those guys. The TE was a late round pick so it's really a waste of time writing critical condescending comments on late rounders. It's useless really...

Free is very athletic and can play left tackle. I think he's projecting Willis to be gone by the way. Willis would make sense honestly, I just don't see it happening.
Actually, no I wasn't figuring on Willis being gone. :)
If Carriker were gone, then I'd want Willis as a close 2nd choice.

MrClean
04-09-2007, 04:33 PM
Nice mock Mr Clean...I would not be mad if it went down like that....if we can get this o-line going and a have turnover free QB and keep up the solid D, we can make some noise this year...Cam will make sure this offense isn't run-run-pass like it has been for so long....

and I needed to see that pretty face in your avatar, reminds me of the good things in life.... Thanks, and I like your avatar too. Very lovely.

Finole
04-09-2007, 05:21 PM
Watch Higgins play and he's much faster than those guys. The TE was a late round pick so it's really a waste of time writing critical condescending comments on late rounders. It's useless really...

Free is very athletic and can play left tackle. I think he's projecting Willis to be gone by the way. Willis would make sense honestly, I just don't see it happening.

You're right. Higgins ran much faster at his Pro Day. He might be a very solid #2 WR in the NFL.

I'm no expert. But I'm a big-time FSU fan (alumni 1994) so I watch a lot of college football. And I have been reading a lot about this year's prospects.

From NFL.com...

Doug Free needs to improve his hand punch and bulk up if he wants to play left tackle at the next level. With his quickness and lateral agility, he might have better success as a pulling guard.

As far as the TE goes, I hope you don't think I was being critical or condescending. I just don't think the Fins are going to go in that direction in any round, late or early. There are a couple of potential UFAs that might get invited to camp:
TE Julius McClellan, North Carolina Central 6-4 246 40 time: 4.56
TE Braden Jones, Southern Illinois 6-3 260 40 time: 4.58
TE Rudy Sylvan, Ohio University 6-4 282 40 time: 4.77
TE Brent Celek, Cincinnati 6-4 255 40 time: 4.79

And there's a real good chance Patrick Willis will still be on the board when the Fins pick. The team most likely to take him before us was Washington. Now that they've acquired London Fletcher-Baker via free agency, I don't think they'll be drafting Willis.

Jaj
04-09-2007, 05:32 PM
Minnesota- Willis makes perfect sense since they have no MLB.

Boomer
04-09-2007, 06:30 PM
If those are the choices, then I'd prefer Willis. He's rated highter by just about every scout in the country. And ZT is entering his 13th year. He'll be 34 when the season starts.



Woodley is a solid pick. But we have so many needs on offense, surely there is an offensive player rated just as high who would fill a more pressing need.

How about WR Sidney Rice from South Carolina? He could eventually be better than Chambers. A 1st round talent who should be available in the 2nd because the draft is so deep at WR this year.



As has already been mentioned, I don't like Free because the Fins need a LT not a RT. Levi Brown, Adam Koets, and Ryan Harris seem like the most viable options.



Good pick.



Actually, David Clowney, Mike Walker, Brandon Myles, and Laurent Robinson are all faster. If Aundrae Allison slips to the 4th, that would be no-brainer.

I'm on the fence concerning Higgins. His return skills do give him added value. He was very productive in college. That being said, why isn't he rated higher?



Interesting. But Gutierrez could end up going undrafted. Is he really worth a 6th round pick?

Also by selecting Gutierrez you might be passing up Jackie Battle or Chris Henry. Two very fast, very powerful running backs that could be our #3 RB (and eventually maybe more) and contribute on special teams right away.



I prefer Kasey Studdard in the 7th. Mean and nasty. This guy could be the steal of the draft.



I don't think we're drafting a TE this year. Cameron seems happy with Martin. But you never know who or what to believe until the day after the draft.



Why is Toeaina better than Rod Wright or Fred Evans?

Personally, I like going after special teams guys in the 7th round. It's extremely rare to find a starter in the 7th round (unless he's starting on special teams).

I like SS Craig Dahl. He was a special teams standout at North Dakota St.


Willis isn't go to play for Miami perhaps for 2 seasons. Sort of pointless picking him, good as he is. Carriker won't start, but he'll play 2 positions in the rotation, the 5 and the 3 and thus will contribute an awful lot.

Free is a left tackle. Ryan Harris is probably more suited on the right side or even inside at G.

Chris Henry isn't going in the 6th round.

Finole
04-09-2007, 06:37 PM
Minnesota- Willis makes perfect sense since they have no MLB.

True. Unless they move Chad Greenway to the inside.

Finole
04-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Willis isn't go to play for Miami perhaps for 2 seasons. Sort of pointless picking him, good as he is. Carriker won't start, but he'll play 2 positions in the rotation, the 5 and the 3 and thus will contribute an awful lot.

Free is a left tackle. Ryan Harris is probably more suited on the right side or even inside at G.

Chris Henry isn't going in the 6th round.

All due respect, Boomer, you can't be 100% positive about any of this.

1. If ZT gets injured (which is more likely than not unfortunately - knock on wood), then Willis would play right away. And there's no reason we couldn't rotate Willis in if Zach stays healthy. Outside of the red zone, I'd rather have Willis in there instead of Zach on 3rd down in a passing situation. (I know you saw Bo Scaife beat ZT for that 27-yard TD in the Houston game last year.)

2. You may be right about Free, but I've read many opinions that disagree with you. And Charlie Weis said Harris is more than capable of playing LT in the NFL. That means more to me than anything any scout says.

3. Before the combine, Chris Henry was projected as an UFA. He could absolutely go in the 6th. He could go in the 3rd, too. We won't really know until draft day. His production in college left a bit to be desired. And he didn't run or lift on his Pro Day, so you have to wonder if he can duplicate that 40 time. Right now, most projections I've seen have him going in the 5th or 6th round.

Henry is a big RB who is a good fit for the Zampese offense. So you know Cameron likes him. And he's fast, so you know Mueller likes him. He could fill in for Minor and Morris on special teams. The Fins might consider him in the 4th round. But I think Jackie Battle has just as much upside, so I think the smart play is to wait and see which one (if not both) is available in the 6th round.

retarmyfinfan
04-09-2007, 06:51 PM
Wrong pay more attention to draft stock and Higgins' is on the way down. You drafted two backups but soon to be big time starters necessary for keeping this defense the way it is. Picking straight up for need is how you get a bust.

You want to be like the Patriots? Then draft the best players period.

My exact sentiment. That is exactly what they do, heck they pick DL in 1st round 3 years in a row.

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 09:22 PM
Wrong pay more attention to draft stock and Higgins' is on the way down. You drafted two backups but soon to be big time starters necessary for keeping this defense the way it is. Picking straight up for need is how you get a bust.

You want to be like the Patriots? Then draft the best players period.
I agree on drafting the best player available and have no problem if we go DL; if we took a DL it would happen to satisfy a need. I'm just not as high on Carriker as I am on Okoye and Branch. In my opinion, Carriker is down in the mid to late teens as far as value, maybe even higher.

MrClean
04-09-2007, 09:58 PM
Nice work Marvin.

A lot of guys on there that we KNOW Miami has a very strong interest in. I absolutely think we could go D with our 1st two picks. Carriker is such a tremendous value pick at 9 and his ability to play the 5 and the 3, especially as he'll be on the field a lot in the rotation, makes him a very strong option. I think I'd take Kolb at 40 if he's there, personally.

Thanks Simon. I know I'm on the right track when you like my mock. You know it's next to impossible to hit on EVERY need a team has in every draft, unless they have an inordinately high number of picks like GB did last year, for example. I know we need help at DB, and another good RB wouldn't hurt either.

You said it perfectly about why I would want Carriker and I just shake my head in amazement when some see Carriker and Woodley and just see two DEs as the first two picks without even coming close to scratching below the surface to see the reasons why they are very different types of players, who both would fit and fill a need. I would be just as happy with either Spencer or Crowder with that #40 pick too. But, I think it's much more likely Spencer is gone and Woodley has a better motor than Crowder does IMO. It's something that is just more natural with some guys and Woodley would fit in well in that regard with Thomas, Taylor, Porter, etc, three guys who's motors never slow down.

You would take Kolb high in the 2nd round? I can't agree with you on that one. IMO, Stanton and Edwards are value in rnd 2, Beck and Kolb in rnds 3-4.

MrClean
04-09-2007, 10:14 PM
Willis isn't go to play for Miami perhaps for 2 seasons. Sort of pointless picking him, good as he is. Carriker won't start, but he'll play 2 positions in the rotation, the 5 and the 3 and thus will contribute an awful lot.

Free is a left tackle. Ryan Harris is probably more suited on the right side or even inside at G.

Chris Henry isn't going in the 6th round.

I love Willis, but agree that he would not immediately fill a need as much as Carriker. Also, if we need someone to fill in for Zach for a game or two, I'd not be a bit worried to plug in Derrick Pope, based on what he showed when filling in, in the past.

The way I see it, Roth is taking Carter's spot from last year, so Carriker would take Roth's spot. Woodley would take Bowens' spot. If we don't address the loss of Bowens with a player like Woodley, we have KGB's little brother behind Taylor and Jim Maxwell behind Porter. Not very reassuring is it?

We need to heavily address the OL, what with just 7 OL on the roster right now. If we draft 3, that gives us 10, and usually we go into training camp with 14-15 OL on the roster. So even with drafting 3, we'd need 4-5 free agents, either UDFAs or the table scraps from veteran free agency.
Free is very versatile from what his coaches say. He played LT, and could eventually play there in the NFL though may be better on the right side as a rookie. Due to his ability to pull, trap and block on the 2nd level, most scouts feel he could play guard also. His ease of movement is rare for a man of his dimensions. I also like the fact that he has huge strong hands, all the better to control the defender with. When he gets his overall body strength up to NFL standards, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with.

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 10:29 PM
I love Willis, but agree that he would not immediately fill a need as much as Carriker. Also, if we need someone to fill in for Zach for a game or two, I'd not be a bit worried to plug in Derrick Pope, based on what he showed when filling in, in the past.

The way I see it, Roth is taking Carter's spot from last year, so Carriker would take Roth's spot. Woodley would take Bowens' spot. If we don't address the loss of Bowens with a player like Woodley, we have KGB's little brother behind Taylor and Jim Maxwell behind Porter. Not very reassuring is it?

We need to heavily address the OL, what with just 7 OL on the roster right now. If we draft 3, that gives us 10, and usually we go into training camp with 14-15 OL on the roster. So even with drafting 3, we'd need 4-5 free agents, either UDFAs or the table scraps from veteran free agency.
Free is very versatile from what his coaches say. He played LT, and could eventually play there in the NFL though may be better on the right side as a rookie. Due to his ability to pull, trap and block on the 2nd level, most scouts feel he could play guard also. His ease of movement is rare for a man of his dimensions. I also like the fact that he has huge strong hands, all the better to control the defender with. When he gets his overall body strength up to NFL standards, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with.
I have no problem with going DL or defense but I'm not this high on Carriker. earlier you noted that the safest four were CJ, AC, PW and RK. I agree on Willis and CJ but definitely not the other two. I can see AC struggling for the first few years. I'm also very high on Willis. He's got all the tools. He's going to be an impact player without a doubt. Kalil would be a mistake in my opinion, at least with any of our first three picks.
My safest picks would be CJ, Willis, Russell and Landry.

MrClean
04-09-2007, 11:29 PM
I have no problem with going DL or defense but I'm not this high on Carriker. earlier you noted that the safest four were CJ, AC, PW and RK. I agree on Willis and CJ but definitely not the other two. I can see AC struggling for the first few years. I'm also very high on Willis. He's got all the tools. He's going to be an impact player without a doubt. Kalil would be a mistake in my opinion, at least with any of our first three picks.
My safest picks would be CJ, Willis, Russell and Landry.

I should have included Landry and made it 5. That was a mistake on my part for overlooking him. He's another one I'd love to get and would take him over Carriker, but I think Atlanta has their sites on drafting him at #8.

Jaj
04-09-2007, 11:34 PM
I'm of the very small minority who's not opposed to drafting Adrian Peterson and holding onto him for a couple of selections just to see if I can force a deal out of a team.

Otherwise Carriker followed by Ginn Jr. are my picks. If Landry is available that changes to a degree because I view Landry as a complete player, allowing Jason Allen to permanently move to CB. On the other hand he's not playing a premier position like Carriker.
:goof:

Tureo
04-09-2007, 11:45 PM
I've been adding and removing names the past few days, except for the 1st rounder of course, which is a definite in my mind. This is more how I think they should do it, NOT a prediction of what I think our Phins will do.

1. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska - games are won up front and he will be the best lineman on the board when we pick. In my opinion, the safest picks in the entire draft are Calvin Johnson, Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis and Ryan Kalil.

2. LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan - fast, athletic tweener who would be a nice replacement in David Bowens' old roles on the team. Could fill in at SOLB or OE in the Dolphins defense and may eventually replace one of the two starters in a couple of years.

2a. Doug Free OT Northen Illinois - Has the physical tools to play RT right away and in time could develop into a solid LT. He’d provide depth and competition at the OT spots and could also play guard if needed, based on his ability to pull, trap and block downfield.

3. Samson Satele C Hawaii - 2nd best center in the draft and Cam believes in building from the inside out. He has a strong base and good balance with plenty of experience as a pass blocker, which is an area we really need to upgrade in the interior.

4. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso – Has excellent deep speed and would help us stretch the field. He is a fine leaper, solidly built and was very productive at UTEP. Also has experience as a KO returner. Probably the 3rd fastest prospect in this draft, after Ginn and Figurs.

6. Matt Gutierrez QB Idaho State – Michigan transfer was compared there to Tom Brady and has the tools and mental makeup to be the #1 sleeper amongst all QBs in this draft.

6a. Kyle Cook OG/C Michigan State - has been showing enough in workouts to make him a consideration at either guard or center. Houck reportedly has some interest in him and he has the upper body strength to be the type of inside player Hudson seems to prefer.

7. Dante Rosario TE Oregon - TE is a very important part of Cameron's offense and right now we have two very average TEs and a bunch of throwaways. He opened a lot of eyes with a solid combine performance and his skills would translate well to Cam's offense, in my opinion.

7a. Matt Toeaina DL Oregon – Quick strong and versatile technician could provide solid depth at any line position in the 3-4 or 4-3 and could eventually compete for a starting job on the inside. I like the Samoan kids as a general rule, b/c they are usually intense, naturally strong and powerful. Matt has a 455 bench and a 368 lb power clean and could be our NT in a few years.
I would b disappointed overall but definitely upset if we took Carriker in the 1st rd.

Tureo
04-09-2007, 11:59 PM
I would like us to take Stantonover Kolb in the 2nd.

Phanatical
04-10-2007, 07:03 AM
I've been adding and removing names the past few days, except for the 1st rounder of course, which is a definite in my mind. This is more how I think they should do it, NOT a prediction of what I think our Phins will do.

1. Adam Carriker DE Nebraska - games are won up front and he will be the best lineman on the board when we pick. In my opinion, the safest picks in the entire draft are Calvin Johnson, Adam Carriker, Patrick Willis and Ryan Kalil.

2. LaMarr Woodley OLB/DE Michigan - fast, athletic tweener who would be a nice replacement in David Bowens' old roles on the team. Could fill in at SOLB or OE in the Dolphins defense and may eventually replace one of the two starters in a couple of years.

2a. Doug Free OT Northen Illinois - Has the physical tools to play RT right away and in time could develop into a solid LT. He’d provide depth and competition at the OT spots and could also play guard if needed, based on his ability to pull, trap and block downfield.

3. Samson Satele C Hawaii - 2nd best center in the draft and Cam believes in building from the inside out. He has a strong base and good balance with plenty of experience as a pass blocker, which is an area we really need to upgrade in the interior.

4. Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso – Has excellent deep speed and would help us stretch the field. He is a fine leaper, solidly built and was very productive at UTEP. Also has experience as a KO returner. Probably the 3rd fastest prospect in this draft, after Ginn and Figurs.

6. Matt Gutierrez QB Idaho State – Michigan transfer was compared there to Tom Brady and has the tools and mental makeup to be the #1 sleeper amongst all QBs in this draft.

6a. Kyle Cook OG/C Michigan State - has been showing enough in workouts to make him a consideration at either guard or center. Houck reportedly has some interest in him and he has the upper body strength to be the type of inside player Hudson seems to prefer.

7. Dante Rosario TE Oregon - TE is a very important part of Cameron's offense and right now we have two very average TEs and a bunch of throwaways. He opened a lot of eyes with a solid combine performance and his skills would translate well to Cam's offense, in my opinion.

7a. Matt Toeaina DL Oregon – Quick strong and versatile technician could provide solid depth at any line position in the 3-4 or 4-3 and could eventually compete for a starting job on the inside. I like the Samoan kids as a general rule, b/c they are usually intense, naturally strong and powerful. Matt has a 455 bench and a 368 lb power clean and could be our NT in a few years.

Not bad, I like it. I don't think there is any way that Higgins is going to be available in the 4th round. The guy has skyrocketed up the draft charts. He's a first day pick for sure, quite possibly a second rounder, that's where I've put him.

GO PHINS~!

phinphanforever
04-10-2007, 04:47 PM
I'm of the very small minority who's not opposed to drafting Adrian Peterson and holding onto him for a couple of selections just to see if I can force a deal out of a team.


:goof:
That would be a huge gamble. In my opinion, your bargaining leverage goes way down in such a scenario. How many teams are going to pay more than what they would have just a few picks earlier for a player on a team that is, relatively speaking, loaded with Rbs? Those types of draft deals rarely work out.
If Peterson gets drafted by the fins, then it more than likely would mean Ronnie would be traded.

Boomer
04-10-2007, 06:14 PM
All due respect, Boomer, you can't be 100% positive about any of this.

1. If ZT gets injured (which is more likely than not unfortunately - knock on wood), then Willis would play right away. And there's no reason we couldn't rotate Willis in if Zach stays healthy. Outside of the red zone, I'd rather have Willis in there instead of Zach on 3rd down in a passing situation. (I know you saw Bo Scaife beat ZT for that 27-yard TD in the Houston game last year.)

2. You may be right about Free, but I've read many opinions that disagree with you. And Charlie Weis said Harris is more than capable of playing LT in the NFL. That means more to me than anything any scout says.

3. Before the combine, Chris Henry was projected as an UFA. He could absolutely go in the 6th. He could go in the 3rd, too. We won't really know until draft day. His production in college left a bit to be desired. And he didn't run or lift on his Pro Day, so you have to wonder if he can duplicate that 40 time. Right now, most projections I've seen have him going in the 5th or 6th round.

Henry is a big RB who is a good fit for the Zampese offense. So you know Cameron likes him. And he's fast, so you know Mueller likes him. He could fill in for Minor and Morris on special teams. The Fins might consider him in the 4th round. But I think Jackie Battle has just as much upside, so I think the smart play is to wait and see which one (if not both) is available in the 6th round.

Of course not, but then nor can anyone else.

Lets deal with what we can work with. Zach ISN'T injured and really hasn't shown a great propensity for injury during his career. Thus, Willis would be redundant for 2 years. And Willis isn't a great cover linebacker anyway, so I doubt he'd play 3rd downs anyway.

Re: Free......I've also read a lot of opinions that say he can and I've seen with my own eyes that he can. And with all due respect to Charlie Weis, he's hardly going to come out and say that Harris is a stiff. He probably CAN play LT in the NFL, but it probably won't be his best spot.

Again, Chris Henry will not go in the 5th or 6th round.

Jaj
04-10-2007, 06:59 PM
That would be a huge gamble. In my opinion, your bargaining leverage goes way down in such a scenario. How many teams are going to pay more than what they would have just a few picks earlier for a player on a team that is, relatively speaking, loaded with Rbs? Those types of draft deals rarely work out.
If Peterson gets drafted by the fins, then it more than likely would mean Ronnie would be traded.

I meant more as a pick him so you have extra to finish a deal scenario, if it busts then so be it. Chance is very slight regardless.

I'm waiting on the Raider's decisions and Ginn Jr.'s workout before my final opinion is created.