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FinAtic8480
04-09-2007, 01:22 AM
I'm hearing from people in the know that Davis is locking in on Georgia Tech receiver Calvin Johnson.
The thinking is that Davis, who is 77 and said to be in poor health, is desperate to win now, and he understands how hard it is to do so with even the most talented of rookie quarterbacks. Davis also is well aware of the glaringly low success rate of quarterbacks drafted in the first round over the past 15 years. Remarkably, he still has faith in incumbent quarterback Andrew Walter, and Johnson is the closest thing to a sure bet -- and, potentially, an instant impact player -- that the draft has to offer.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_silver/04/05/strong.arms/1.html

If old Al Davis is sold on Calvin Johnson and the Raiders decide to Draft him, this could be a blessing from the Football Gods. It would help so much in Quinn Falling and everyone knows the Browns would snag Russell in a heart beat. The question becomes what does Tampa do and will the Lions pass up on Quinn.

dominizzo
04-09-2007, 01:29 AM
WWOOW looks like Mccown can have a big season

JG718
04-09-2007, 01:29 AM
*yawns* Ok

Regan21286
04-09-2007, 01:31 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_silver/04/05/strong.arms/1.html

If old Al Davis is sold on Calvin Johnson and the Raiders decide to Draft him, this could be a blessing from the Football Gods. It would help so much in Quinn Falling and everyone knows the Browns would snag Russell in a heart beat. The question becomes what does Tampa do and will the Lions pass up on Quinn.

Definitely would take the Browns out of the race unless Crennel squeals and whines to Savage to take Quinn despite Savage's love for Russell. Tampa I don't think will take a QB and if they do, considering the other holes they have, it would be ridiculous. Best thing for them would be to take Thomas or a DE. Lions likewise.

FinAtic8480
04-09-2007, 01:43 AM
I hope if true that Al Davis wants Johnson so bad, the Raiders take him. Im guessing they would trade for McCown or possibly Daunte. What becomes interesting is what happens with Detroit, but the chances of Quinn falling would defitnetly be there.

dominizzo
04-09-2007, 01:46 AM
I hope if true that Al Davis wants Johnson so bad, the Raiders take him. Im guessing they would trade for McCown or possibly Daunte. What becomes interesting is what happens with Detroit, but the chances of Quinn falling would defitnetly be there.


Raiders already have Josh McCown

PhinSoldia
04-09-2007, 02:05 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/michael_silver/04/05/strong.arms/1.html

If old Al Davis is sold on Calvin Johnson and the Raiders decide to Draft him, this could be a blessing from the Football Gods. It would help so much in Quinn Falling and everyone knows the Browns would snag Russell in a heart beat. The question becomes what does Tampa do and will the Lions pass up on Quinn.


that means nothing- because lions will get Russel and Browns would get Quinn anyway so it doesnt matter

MDFinFan06
04-09-2007, 02:08 AM
Raiders already have Josh McCown
you sure about that last i heard they were only in trade talks. link?

Agent51
04-09-2007, 02:10 AM
I'm not believing this, or anything else I read up until the draft, because everyone is manipulating everyone else in these months, but I'll play along and pretend it's true. How does everyone see the top 10 going then?

I'll go ahead and say:

Raiders - Calvin Johnson
Cards (Trade with Lions) - Joe Thomas
Browns - Adrian Peterson
Bucs - Levi Brown (it's a reach but IDK who else they would take, and I'm only projecting trades within the top 10 here so trade down isn't an option in this particular mock)
Lions (Trade with Cardinals) - Gaines Adams
Dolphins (Trade with Redskins) - Brady Quinn
Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
Falcons - LaRon Landry
Redskins (Trade with Dolphins) - Amobi Okoye
Texans - Leon Hall

taylormvp99
04-09-2007, 02:18 AM
McCown is not a Raider and I hope this article is true. I think Quinn is a perfect fit in Miami. I don't understand the people that don't want him. Miami has gone through Huard, Fiedler, Lucas, Feely, Frerotte, Culpepper, Harrington, and Greise since they had Marino. Teams almost never get rid of great QBs. How many great QBs have changed teams recently? I can think of one, Drew Brees. Teams do not get rid of good QBs. They need to be taken in the draft. Quinn would probably be ready by week 5 if he isn't right now. People say it's a risk but so is everyone else.

Mr.Majestik
04-09-2007, 02:40 AM
I'm not believing this, or anything else I read up until the draft, because everyone is manipulating everyone else in these months, but I'll play along and pretend it's true. How does everyone see the top 10 going then?

I'll go ahead and say:

Raiders - Calvin Johnson
Cards (Trade with Lions) - Joe Thomas
Browns - Adrian Peterson
Bucs - Levi Brown (it's a reach but IDK who else they would take, and I'm only projecting trades within the top 10 here so trade down isn't an option in this particular mock)
Lions (Trade with Cardinals) - Gaines Adams
Dolphins (Trade with Redskins) - Brady Quinn
Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
Falcons - LaRon Landry
Redskins (Trade with Dolphins) - Amobi Okoye
Texans - Leon Hall

If the Browns take Peterson at three with their needs, especially at quarterback, Savage should be prosecuted for criminal incompetence. You can get a running back anywhere. You can get running backs as good as Peterson in the second, or third-rounds, even later then that. The position is the easiest to address, either via the draft, or free agency. It just makes no sense with the players available for the Browns to do that. There are premium players at quarterback, left tackle and pass-rushing end, and those are the positions you should be spending top-ten picks on. Running back is very deep, a Pro Bowl-caliber player will be available much later.

taylormvp99
04-09-2007, 02:49 AM
I guess the Browns want to let Frye and Anderson battle it out for the starting job. Running back is a position of need but they should take another position. Now you can get RBs in the 2nd and 3rd but nowhere near as good as Peterson will be. Hopefully if they pass on Peterson, they will not get a QB.

Agent51
04-09-2007, 03:24 AM
If the Browns take Peterson at three with their needs, especially at quarterback, Savage should be prosecuted for criminal incompetence. You can get a running back anywhere. You can get running backs as good as Peterson in the second, or third-rounds, even later then that. The position is the easiest to address, either via the draft, or free agency. It just makes no sense with the players available for the Browns to do that. There are premium players at quarterback, left tackle and pass-rushing end, and those are the positions you should be spending top-ten picks on. Running back is very deep, a Pro Bowl-caliber player will be available much later.

Running back is not deep this year, who else will be available later? Lynch will go round one, then what? The arguement could be made that QB is deeper this yar and they could take a guy like Stanton in round 2, especially if they want help now, a RB will do that before a rookie QB will, and the Peterson/Lewis tadem would be a pretty mean tandem.

Vertical Limit
04-09-2007, 03:28 AM
I'm not believing this, or anything else I read up until the draft, because everyone is manipulating everyone else in these months, but I'll play along and pretend it's true. How does everyone see the top 10 going then?

I'll go ahead and say:

Raiders - Calvin Johnson
Cards (Trade with Lions) - Joe Thomas
Browns - Adrian Peterson
Bucs - Levi Brown (it's a reach but IDK who else they would take, and I'm only projecting trades within the top 10 here so trade down isn't an option in this particular mock)
Lions (Trade with Cardinals) - Gaines Adams
Dolphins (Trade with Redskins) - Brady Quinn
Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
Falcons - LaRon Landry
Redskins (Trade with Dolphins) - Amobi Okoye
Texans - Leon Hall
Didn't the Bucs lose Simeon Rice? (correct me if I'm wrong) Wouldn't they be interested in Gaines Adams?

Crunkcore
04-09-2007, 03:33 AM
Interesting.

taylormvp99
04-09-2007, 03:36 AM
Nope Rice is still there and they signed Kevin Carter. I can still see them going after Gaines Adams though because Rice and Carter are up there in age.

MexDolfan
04-09-2007, 03:58 AM
that means nothing- because lions will get Russel and Browns would get Quinn anyway so it doesnt matter
Trading up to the #4 spot for Joe Thomas means an excellent upgrade for our offense. Any 2nd round we left in the trading may become our future QB.

Kdawg954
04-09-2007, 05:36 AM
I'm not believing this, or anything else I read up until the draft, because everyone is manipulating everyone else in these months, but I'll play along and pretend it's true. How does everyone see the top 10 going then?

I'll go ahead and say:

Raiders - Calvin Johnson
Cards (Trade with Lions) - Joe Thomas
Browns - Adrian Peterson
Bucs - Levi Brown (it's a reach but IDK who else they would take, and I'm only projecting trades within the top 10 here so trade down isn't an option in this particular mock)
Lions (Trade with Cardinals) - Gaines Adams
Dolphins (Trade with Redskins) - Brady Quinn
Vikings - Jamaal Anderson
Falcons - LaRon Landry
Redskins (Trade with Dolphins) - Amobi Okoye
Texans - Leon Hall

hahaha . . . U really think Russell gets out of the top 10? This isn't Rodgers . . . Russell has some of the greatest athletic tools ever to come out the draft from a QB . . . and he is a pass first QB . . . nahhhhh he may slide if the first 3 picks have no QB's (which I seriously doubt) . . . but he stays in the top 10, and becomes a huge STEAL out of the top 3. Wishful Thinking tho . . . but nahhhh.

jlfin
04-09-2007, 06:51 AM
If the Browns take Peterson at three with their needs, especially at quarterback, Savage should be prosecuted for criminal incompetence. You can get a running back anywhere. You can get running backs as good as Peterson in the second, or third-rounds, even later then that. The position is the easiest to address, either via the draft, or free agency. It just makes no sense with the players available for the Browns to do that. There are premium players at quarterback, left tackle and pass-rushing end, and those are the positions you should be spending top-ten picks on. Running back is very deep, a Pro Bowl-caliber player will be available much later.


?? AP is not just a running back. He's a special one. Your post suggests that you can just plug in a body and have success. The Browns need to win now and a talented running back will have a more immediate impact than any QB. You obviously have never seen AP play. There are no running backs in the 2nd or 3rd who even come close to AP so that shoots down your argument right there.

zonk4ever
04-09-2007, 07:20 AM
With the exception of Arizona, all the teams in front of us could use Quarterback help. For Quinn to slide down to 9 would be pretty miraculous.

Minibull
04-09-2007, 09:01 AM
hahaha . . . U really think Russell gets out of the top 10? This isn't Rodgers . . . Russell has some of the greatest athletic tools ever to come out the draft from a QB . . . and he is a pass first QB . . . nahhhhh he may slide if the first 3 picks have no QB's (which I seriously doubt) . . . but he stays in the top 10, and becomes a huge STEAL out of the top 3. Wishful Thinking tho . . . but nahhhh.

The big problem with Russell is not his physical skills but his starting experience and mental make-up. If teams start thinking of him as another Ryan Leaf (massive skills with limited college starts and questionable QB decision making skills), then he could easily slide just like Aaron Rodgers did. So many first round QBs end up as busts that many teams are leery of picking one.

Finfan53
04-09-2007, 11:16 AM
I still haven't convinced myself that Quinn is the savior of this franchise. But I trust Cameron ...if he does take The Mighty Brady Quinn I'll be excited cause I think this guy know's quarterbacks & offense

OneHondo
04-09-2007, 12:26 PM
If the Browns take Peterson at three with their needs, especially at quarterback, Savage should be prosecuted for criminal incompetence. You can get a running back anywhere. You can get running backs as good as Peterson in the second, or third-rounds, even later then that. The position is the easiest to address, either via the draft, or free agency. It just makes no sense with the players available for the Browns to do that. There are premium players at quarterback, left tackle and pass-rushing end, and those are the positions you should be spending top-ten picks on. Running back is very deep, a Pro Bowl-caliber player will be available much later.


Are you sure you are a Miami Dolphin fan? Remember the long drought of running backs that the Dolphins went through? Marino's lack of a Super Bowl ring mainly because he had no running game. Remember what happened when Ricky Williams abruptly retired and Miami's running game fell off?
I guess by your thinking Saban made a big mistake taking Ronnie Brown as he could have taken a running back in the second or third round or later.

SgtPhin
04-09-2007, 12:41 PM
I would love to get Quinn, or any other decent QB prospect for that matter. I just don't see us having a realistic chance at getting him unless we sell out our upper draft picks for 1 player. We have too many needs to chase 1 player!!

taylormvp99
04-09-2007, 12:57 PM
With the exception of Arizona, all the teams in front of us could use Quarterback help. For Quinn to slide down to 9 would be pretty miraculous.
It's not like everyone wants to draft Brady Quinn though. IF the Raiders take a QB it will be Russell. The Lions want to trade down for a defensive end. The Browns might take Peterson and if Russell and Quinn are both still there, Russell is the choice. Tampa Bay will not take a QB since they have 3 and maybe 4 on their roster. Arizona and Washington don't have a need at QB. Minnesota could take him but is more likely to take Landry if he's there. Atlanta is not taking a QB. That's 3 that have no need at QB, 1 that is highly unlikely to take one, and 4 question marks if you count the Raiders. There is no team that is definitely taking a QB. Some of these teams might want the safe pick or the skill player like Thomas, Johnson, or Landry and then get somebody like Edwards or Stanton in round 2.

Kdawg954
04-09-2007, 06:04 PM
The big problem with Russell is not his physical skills but his starting experience and mental make-up. If teams start thinking of him as another Ryan Leaf (massive skills with limited college starts and questionable QB decision making skills), then he could easily slide just like Aaron Rodgers did. So many first round QBs end up as busts that many teams are leery of picking one.

starting experience . . . lol . . . who has starting experience in the draft? Didn't Russell play 3 years? I know he played a bit as a freshman, more as a sophomore . . . and big time as a junior. Leaf had one HUGE year . . . and didn't have near the athletic ability as Jamarcus Russell. The kid is a freak man . . . but u are still dreaming thinking he gets out the top 10 . . . and Quinn could be just as much a bust as Jamarcus . . . I mean its a crap shoot anyways . . . but Jamarcus IMO looks less likely to be a bust . . . tho Quinn may end up the better QB. Maybe Quinn is more ready to start right away . . . but Russell has the higher ceiling IMO. Even Mcnair took 2 or so seasons sitting on the bench . . . Rivesr took 2 years . . . I mean Russell is a special player . . . biggest gun in the game . . . trust me . . . a team will NOT let him slide out of the top 10. Guys w/ his ability don't slide out of the top 10.

Vertical Limit
04-09-2007, 07:53 PM
Nope Rice is still there and they signed Kevin Carter. I can still see them going after Gaines Adams though because Rice and Carter are up there in age.
I must have confused Rice with the other dude who left to the Detroit Lions.

Agent51
04-09-2007, 09:32 PM
hahaha . . . U really think Russell gets out of the top 10? This isn't Rodgers . . . Russell has some of the greatest athletic tools ever to come out the draft from a QB . . . and he is a pass first QB . . . nahhhhh he may slide if the first 3 picks have no QB's (which I seriously doubt) . . . but he stays in the top 10, and becomes a huge STEAL out of the top 3. Wishful Thinking tho . . . but nahhhh.

:lol:, I actually made that when I was exhausted and completely forgot about Russell. I was struggling to think of who a few of those teams could pick too, I just never even thing about Russell in my mocks because I always assume he is #1 overall, and I forgot that this was a "Raiders take CJ instead of Russell" mock, so I think he just slipped my mind. I didn't even notice. No, I do not think Russell slides out of the top 10 (although I personally think he doesn't belong there, but I KNOW he won't make it out of there), it was just an oversight on my part because I'm so used to basically starting my mocks at Detroit's pick.

Kdawg954
04-10-2007, 06:18 AM
:lol:, I actually made that when I was exhausted and completely forgot about Russell. I was struggling to think of who a few of those teams could pick too, I just never even thing about Russell in my mocks because I always assume he is #1 overall, and I forgot that this was a "Raiders take CJ instead of Russell" mock, so I think he just slipped my mind. I didn't even notice. No, I do not think Russell slides out of the top 10 (although I personally think he doesn't belong there, but I KNOW he won't make it out of there), it was just an oversight on my part because I'm so used to basically starting my mocks at Detroit's pick.

lol, yea man . . . I mean to each his own . . . its just u could like him or hate him . . . but some NFL team wont let that kind of talent slide down past the top 10.