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phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 01:34 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/08/mmqb/index.html

Thank goodness for P King adding some much needed sanity into the debate on whether to go after Quinn. I'm sure that he is a big Quinn fan -although I like King, he tends to be homer for anything associated with NE (hard not to though)- but it was nice to see him caution others from investing so heavily in a player.
In my opinion, I think Brady Quinn will be an albatross for some unlucky franchise for years.


Some tidbits on Welker, Green, Mare and Williams included in article...

Finfan53
04-09-2007, 01:56 PM
Nice article, brings things into perspective. I agree with what he says...Teams want to trade down but nobody wants to trade up. Quinn is not the savior of this franchise nor any other franchise

SoDakDolfan
04-09-2007, 02:08 PM
I'm not a big fan of trading up. I would love to trade down and get extra picks, but that is unlikely to happen. I thought the best bit of wisdom he gave was to not be a slave to the value chart. If you still get the player you want at a cheaper (lower) pick and add an extra pick who cares if the "values" don't match up.

Myles Fynch
04-09-2007, 02:11 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/04/08/mmqb/index.html

In my opinion, I think Brady Quinn will be an albatross for some unlucky franchise for years.

Perhaps. But whether or not you like Quinn as a QB, this article isn't about "the dangers of trading up for Quinn" even though he was the example King used. He said, "What if he's awful?" and that was the extent of his Quinn analysis for the day. The other 99% of it dealt with the potential cash, cap, and draft pick consequences involved in trading up in the draft for anybody.

I would have used a different title on this thread, but it was an interesting and informative read, so for that, I thank you.

BlueFin
04-09-2007, 02:59 PM
King loves his Patriots, could he be paranoid about the Patriots losing thier AFC East supremecy if Quinn lands in Miami?

DonShula84
04-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Perhaps. But whether or not you like Quinn as a QB, this article isn't about "the dangers of trading up for Quinn" even though he was the example King used. He said, "What if he's awful?" and that was the extent of his Quinn analysis for the day. The other 99% of it dealt with the potential cash, cap, and draft pick consequences involved in trading up in the draft for anybody.

I would have used a different title on this thread, but it was an interesting and informative read, so for that, I thank you.

That's how I read it also. This isnt saying anything about Quinn as a player, just a generic thought on the difficulties of trading down. This article should be aimed at all those people who say, we should trade down every time they see a mock draft.

Jaj
04-09-2007, 03:51 PM
Our spot in the draft is ugly, very ugly. The actual values don't match our team and those are Jamaal Anderson and Amobi Okoye.

ohiobryan
04-09-2007, 03:55 PM
thats b.s. miami needs a franchise qb and moving up is a must to get him that's brady quinn!

Captain Lou
04-09-2007, 04:01 PM
King loves his Patriots, could he be paranoid about the Patriots losing thier AFC East supremecy if Quinn lands in Miami?


You got to be kidding me ! Even if Quinn turns out to be a good qb no one could logicly expect him to be the next Tom Brady, or as you may suggest better. Tom Brady wasn't expected to be Tom Brady. I think this article will put a damper on the hopes many of you have that we will trade up for Quinn. Although the article doesn't really opinionate Quinn will not suceed the repurcusions of moving up means you WILL LOSE PICKS. All you guys wanting to move up would be the same ones whinning if missed out on a Merriman type player because we gave up those draft picks. We are better keeping all our picks and using them to get more quality players. Who knows what our 2 second round picks might produce?

BlueFin
04-09-2007, 04:10 PM
You got to be kidding me ! Even if Quinn turns out to be a good qb no one could logicly expect him to be the next Tom Brady, or as you may suggest better. Tom Brady wasn't expected to be Tom Brady. I think this article will put a damper on the hopes many of you have that we will trade up for Quinn. Although the article doesn't really opinionate Quinn will not suceed the repurcusions of moving up means you WILL LOSE PICKS. All you guys wanting to move up would be the same ones whinning if missed out on a Merriman type player because we gave up those draft picks. We are better keeping all our picks and using them to get more quality players. Who knows what our 2 second round picks might produce?

I was discussing Kings slanted paranoia in a tongue and cheek manner, not my or anyone else's expectations for Brady Quinn.

But don't be so sure this puts a damper on anything, if the cost of moving up from 9 to 6 is only a third rounder, and Mueller has a strong conviction that he can win championships with Brady Quinn, I believe he'll skin that smokewagon.

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 05:17 PM
Perhaps. But whether or not you like Quinn as a QB, this article isn't about "the dangers of trading up for Quinn" even though he was the example King used. He said, "What if he's awful?" and that was the extent of his Quinn analysis for the day. The other 99% of it dealt with the potential cash, cap, and draft pick consequences involved in trading up in the draft for anybody.

I would have used a different title on this thread, but it was an interesting and informative read, so for that, I thank you.
Fair enough. Sorry to have misguided you. I agree that King was referring to anybody, but nonetheless, I found it interesting that he used Quinn as an example.
Maybe it's only because, aside from C Johnson, Quinn is the player most often discussed as a potential trade-up, and so King thought he was an apt example. I also think, however, that King was deliberately (although subtley) mentioning Quinn due to the debate that seems to be emerging between his supporters and detractors.
There is no question that Quinn has received a tremendous amount of press coverage. It's difficult to measure (alothough it can be done-I've done it before, and trust me, it's very tedious) but I would guess that the last QB to receive so much 'scratch' was Peyton. QBs obviously get lots of attention every year but that attention differs in amplitude and scope.
When Vick came out, the majority of the talk focussed on his athleticism. He was, to some, the best athlete they had ever seen. Flash forward 6 years and Vick still remains one of the best athletes in all sports. Lousy quarterback, however. Eli got a lot of coverage mainly because of the family name. Not to say he wasn't a promising Qb out of college but the scribes just couldn't help themselves with a mouth watering story-line, 'Eli the Chosen one: The Holy Trinity is completed'.
Some of Quinn's supporters make comparisons to Tom Brady, Charlie Weis being the most famous (or notorious, depending on where you stand on Quinn). Some of his critics bring up names such as Harrington and Carr. In my opinion, the comparisons to Harrington and Brady are both weak, however, I would lean more to the Harrington one.
He is definitely a different style Qb than JH (much closer to Tom Brady in this regards) but I think his success rate will be more similar to Joey's.

PhinfanUK
04-09-2007, 05:21 PM
That's how I read it also. This isnt saying anything about Quinn as a player, just a generic thought on the difficulties of trading down. This article should be aimed at all those people who say, we should trade down every time they see a mock draft.

I agree, the title of this thread should be changed IMO.

Its common sense, you shouldn't over-pay for a player the way the Giants did with Manning. If Quinn gets past Cleveland we should trade up to #6, giving up a third for a shot at a potential franchise QB is nothing.

GCD960
04-09-2007, 05:38 PM
I agree, the title of this thread should be changed IMO.

Its common sense, you shouldn't over-pay for a player the way the Giants did with Manning. If Quinn gets past Cleveland we should trade up to #6, giving up a third for a shot at a potential franchise QB is nothing.

thats my thought, if quinn gets to washington, we have to pull the trigger...hell, id throwin the pats seventh if i had to

badbutt316
04-09-2007, 05:51 PM
drafting a player in general is a risk. A team takes a chance on a particular player at whatever number they are taken. Im not saying Quinn will pan out to be a good QB because there certainly has been a share of busts in recent memory. However if Brady Quinn turned out to be a good QB down the line like some of the other top prospects taken recently (Palmer, Rivers, Young, etc) then you can expect the people who dogged him to dissapear as they will be the first ones hiding under a rock.

Captain Lou
04-09-2007, 07:14 PM
I was discussing Kings slanted paranoia in a tongue and cheek manner, not my or anyone else's expectations for Brady Quinn.

But don't be so sure this puts a damper on anything, if the cost of moving up from 9 to 6 is only a third rounder, and Mueller has a strong conviction that he can win championships with Brady Quinn, I believe he'll skin that smokewagon.


Nobody really knows what Cameron is thinking right now. It seems many of you are under the impression that Cam is all over Quinn. I haven't read or seen anything that suggest anything one way or the other. Most of the Brady Quinn to Miami talk is exclusive to this website. IMO the only way we draft Quinn is if he falls to 9. So the Brady Quinn forecast to Miami consists variable cloudiness with a 100% chance of tears come draft day.

BlueFin
04-09-2007, 10:35 PM
Nobody really knows what Cameron is thinking right now. It seems many of you are under the impression that Cam is all over Quinn. I haven't read or seen anything that suggest anything one way or the other. Most of the Brady Quinn to Miami talk is exclusive to this website. IMO the only way we draft Quinn is if he falls to 9. So the Brady Quinn forecast to Miami consists variable cloudiness with a 100% chance of tears come draft day.

Well number one, Cameron is not the GM, so its not all about what he's thinking, though he certainly will have input.

The funny part is, you start out your post by correctly saying that no one knows what they are thinking, but you end it the post saying there is a 100 percent chance he's not coming here (sounds to me like you think you know what they are thinking?)...are you psychic?

Anything is possible Cap'n Lou, especially when you least expect it.

Myles Fynch
04-10-2007, 12:07 AM
Fair enough. Sorry to have misguided you. I agree that King was referring to anybody, but nonetheless, I found it interesting that he used Quinn as an example.

No harm done, I just gravitated towards your post & the subsequent link to try to resolve some of my own questions about Quinn, and found the article didn't have the analysis on him I was hoping for.


Some of Quinn's supporters make comparisons to Tom Brady, Charlie Weis being the most famous (or notorious, depending on where you stand on Quinn).

I would settle for Quinn becoming "Brees-like" before I'd put the burden on him to become "Brady-like." I think it's much more likely that Quinn's NFL career ultimately lands somewhere between Brees and Brady than between Carr and Harrington.

If Cam and Mueller disagree with me, I have no doubt that they will politely ignore my ramblings, and will show us why they make the big bucks by finding a diamond in the rough outside of round one.

Tureo
04-10-2007, 12:28 AM
thats my thought, if quinn gets to washington, we have to pull the trigger...hell, id throwin the pats seventh if i had to
These are not bad trades but no more than this!

Captain Lou
04-10-2007, 09:30 AM
Well number one, Cameron is not the GM, so its not all about what he's thinking, though he certainly will have input.

The funny part is, you start out your post by correctly saying that no one knows what they are thinking, but you end it the post saying there is a 100 percent chance he's not coming here (sounds to me like you think you know what they are thinking?)...are you psychic?

Anything is possible Cap'n Lou, especially when you least expect it.


Put you fake money where your mouth is. I'll bet you all my fin dollars for yours that he will not be a dolphin.

BlueFin
04-10-2007, 10:11 AM
Put you fake money where your mouth is. I'll bet you all my fin dollars for yours that he will not be a dolphin.

Give me the odds you say are reality.