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Cuban B
04-09-2007, 10:03 PM
We have to address the QB position eventually

why not now? seriously...

why not do whatever it takes to get him and sacrifice a couple years in the pits for doing so?

we've already started "rebuilding" or whatever you call want to call it

we keep toiling around .500 when we know we're not gonna go anywhere


throw everything at the direction of detriot and oakland and get "your guy"

i know why have alot of holes to fill. but all the makeup in the world won't cover that blemish of not having a QB back there

we need to get a QB and stop getting these stop gap guys

who's with me?

MDFINFAN
04-09-2007, 10:09 PM
Then who protects him if you give up everything to move up? We still need OLmen..remember..so you have to be careful in how you do that, but you can't give up a bunch of picks this year, maybe a trade along with a pick, or a pick this year and next plus a trade of something like that, but you're looking for a lot of diamonds in the rough to complete your O this year.

DUB
04-09-2007, 10:12 PM
I'd prefer not to to "give up the farm". However, I am hopeful that #9 is as high as we will be picking for a while, which means if we ever intend of drafting a "franchise qb" this would be the time. So, yes I think we should and will make a strong push for Quinn. If not make sure we get Stanton, IMO.

Dolfansal
04-09-2007, 10:12 PM
I hear you brother.

If I could erase the last decade of our offense I would.
Feely, Feidler, Harrington, Huard, Lucas, etc.

How much more punishment do we have to take?

Do what it takes.

We need #10 behind center.

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 10:13 PM
We have to address the QB position eventually

why not now? seriously...

why not do whatever it takes to get him and sacrifice a couple years in the pits for doing so?

we've already started "rebuilding" or whatever you call want to call it

we keep toiling around .500 when we know we're not gonna go anywhere


throw everything at the direction of detriot and oakland and get "your guy"

i know why have alot of holes to fill. but all the makeup in the world won't cover that blemish of not having a QB back there

we need to get a QB and stop getting these stop gap guys

who's with me?
I'm not opposed to going after "your guy" I just don't beleive Quinn is that guy.

VT Dolphan
04-09-2007, 10:22 PM
I don't know if it would be worth trading with Oakland or Detroit, but if Quinn slides out of the top 3. Mueller better be on the phone with Washington willing to give them whatever they ask for.

kpcane
04-09-2007, 10:23 PM
Quinn and Russell are not Leinart, Young, and Cutler. If we were ever going to "give up everything" for a QB, it would've been for the latter 3. I say we stay where we are, go after a position of need (o-line, secondary), try out Daunte or Trent Green for a year, and then wait til next year. If Daunte or Trent don't pan out, then we'll have a high pick and we can go after a real prospect like Brian Brohm or even Booty.

JG718
04-09-2007, 10:29 PM
We have to address the QB position eventually

why not now? seriously...

why not do whatever it takes to get him and sacrifice a couple years in the pits for doing so?

we've already started "rebuilding" or whatever you call want to call it

we keep toiling around .500 when we know we're not gonna go anywhere


throw everything at the direction of detriot and oakland and get "your guy"

i know why have alot of holes to fill. but all the makeup in the world won't cover that blemish of not having a QB back there

we need to get a QB and stop getting these stop gap guys

who's with me?


an EMPHATIC NO!!!!!:ninja:

tucker
04-09-2007, 10:31 PM
first rd draft picks on qbs usually flop

LemonPepper
04-09-2007, 10:34 PM
Yeah, let's do like NY did with Eli. After 3 years, they're probably be heading to the Super Bowl this year. We can sacrafice 3 years too.

Crash_Jensen
04-09-2007, 10:37 PM
Yeah, let's do like NY did with Eli. After 3 years, they're probably be heading to the Super Bowl this year. We can sacrafice 3 years too.

Ahmen...Would be nice to take a chance. Been way to long since we really went after a guy in the draft, especially a QB...Enough of these retreads.:err:

kpcane
04-09-2007, 10:39 PM
Yeah, let's do like NY did with Eli. After 3 years, they're probably be heading to the Super Bowl this year. We can sacrafice 3 years too.

Eli has given no indication of being a Super Bowl QB thus far. A much, much better example would be Ben Roethlisberger.

kpcane
04-09-2007, 10:43 PM
first rd draft picks on qbs usually flop

Of the top of my head - the big 3 from last year haven't been flops, carson palmer, peyton manning, donovan mcnabb, ben roethlisberger, philip rivers, eli manning, and I'm sure there's more that I'm not even thinking about right now. So first round qb's don't "usually" flop.

Crash_Jensen
04-09-2007, 10:49 PM
Of the top of my head - the big 3 from last year haven't been flops, carson palmer, peyton manning, donovan mcnabb, ben roethlisberger, philip rivers, eli manning, and I'm sure there's more that I'm not even thinking about right now. So first round qb's don't "usually" flop.

How about Drew Bledsoe, Trent Dilfer (Sb Anyone?), Steve Mcnair, Kerry Collins, Chad pennington, Michael Vick. While some may be argued, all are better than we have had behind center since Dan....:tongue:

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 10:49 PM
Of the top of my head - the big 3 from last year haven't been flops, carson palmer, peyton manning, donovan mcnabb, ben roethlisberger, philip rivers, eli manning, and I'm sure there's more that I'm not even thinking about right now. So first round qb's don't "usually" flop.
Depends what you mean by flop and usually. Off the top of my head: Carr, Harrington, Leftwich, Couch, Mcnown, Akili Smith...

nolefin
04-09-2007, 10:53 PM
im with ya whatever it takes! as long as we come out with quinn i dont care what happens.

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 10:53 PM
How about Drew Bledsoe, Trent Dilfer (Sb Anyone?), Steve Mcnair, Kerry Collins, Chad pennington, Michael Vick. While some may be argued, all are better than we have had behind center since Dan....:tongue:
With the exception of McNair, I'm one happy Dolfan we haven't had any of those guys. I'd hate to see us blow a first, especially a nine, on a player equal to the names you have listed. Even in Bledsoe's hayday, I never felt he was a top 5 QB. Never.

Crash_Jensen
04-09-2007, 10:55 PM
With the exception of McNair, I'm one happy Dolfan we haven't had any of those guys. I'd hate to see us blow a first, especially a nine, on a player equal to the names you have listed. Even in Bledsoe's hayday, I never felt he was a top 5 QB. Never.

Dude you never watched the duels him and Dan used to have back in the day then, He had a very good career... And a Super Bowl run.

GRYPHONK
04-09-2007, 10:56 PM
Quinn and Russell are not Leinart, Young, and Cutler. If we were ever going to "give up everything" for a QB, it would've been for the latter 3. I say we stay where we are, go after a position of need (o-line, secondary), try out Daunte or Trent Green for a year, and then wait til next year. If Daunte or Trent don't pan out, then we'll have a high pick and we can go after a real prospect like Brian Brohm or even Booty.

Actually, many had Quinn rated right there with Leinart last year. Some speculated he would be taken over Leinart.

He was graded better then both Cutler and Young. Don't let your personal opinion start spreading falacies.

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 10:59 PM
Dude you never watched the duels him and Dan used to have back in the day thenn, He had a very good career...
I watched them all, thanks. Some of them a couple of times. To suggest Drew Bledsoe was even in the same league as Dan (and trust me, this was a very a la mode thing to do back then) is heresy.
About the only thing I can give credit ot Bledsoe for is his longevity. He surprised me by playing this long. I thoguht he was washed up before he even got to Buffalo. He has been a very average Qb his entire career.

Jaj
04-09-2007, 11:03 PM
Actually, many had Quinn rated right there with Leinart last year. Some speculated he would be taken over Leinart.

He was graded better then both Cutler and Young. Don't let your personal opinion start spreading falacies.

Bravo, someone who speaks up.

If your sure of Quinn then you do give up a late second to go get him. There's no doubt about that.

Giving two seconds though is a different story. It's a huge investment and you have to be 100% sure about it.

Crash_Jensen
04-09-2007, 11:04 PM
I watched them all, thanks. Some of them a couple of times. To suggest Drew Bledsoe was even in the same league as Dan (and trust me, this was a very a la mode thing to do back then) is heresy.
About the only thing I can give credit ot Bledsoe for is his longevity. He surprised me by playing this long. I thoguht he was washed up before he even got to Buffalo. He has been a very average Qb his entire career.

Saying he had a good career is not saying he is in the same league as Dan, read carefully next time.

Drew=Good Career
Dan=Football God

His early days, watching him and Dan sling it were some of the funnest games I have ever seen. Go look at some stats...

phinphanforever
04-09-2007, 11:05 PM
Bravo, someone who speaks up.

If your sure of Quinn then you do give up a late second to go get him. There's no doubt about that.

Giving two seconds though is a different story. It's a huge investment and you have to be 100% sure about it.
Agree with the philosophy but not the player.

PeterNorth
04-09-2007, 11:06 PM
Quinn and Russell are not Leinart, Young, and Cutler. If we were ever going to "give up everything" for a QB, it would've been for the latter 3. I say we stay where we are, go after a position of need (o-line, secondary), try out Daunte or Trent Green for a year, and then wait til next year. If Daunte or Trent don't pan out, then we'll have a high pick and we can go after a real prospect like Brian Brohm or even Booty.

A couple things...

-I am not a fan of drafting for need over value, especially with a top 10 pick. We definitely need a left tackle, but I am generally also not a proponent of drafting O Lineman with really premium picks. While hitting on an elite prospect at LT can be a boon for a franchise for years, it has been proven time and time again that it is possible, nee, likely, that you can find adequate O Linemen later in the draft. There are enough quality linemen in the draft this year that we should be able to get plenty of help there in rounds 2-7, especially considering all the picks we have.

-I am not crazy about just "winging it" with Green or Culpepper for next year as you said. There is absolutely no guarantee that we would be in good position next year to draft a guy like Brohm, Brennan, or even Booty. The bottom line is that they need to decide whether Quinn is their guy, and if he is, to make sure they get him. There is no need to go and make some stupid Ditka-esque move and trade away every pick, but they should be prepared to maybe offer just a bit more than equal value, according to the chart or whatever system they use.

GRYPHONK
04-09-2007, 11:07 PM
Everyone knows it, everyone has cried about it, everyone has moaned about it, everyone has all asked for the same thing ever since Marino retired.

The fact that we need a QB.

We have scouted Quinn more then any other QB. It is time now, even if we must sell the farm to finally make that happen.

"Who re we gonna get to protect him"

I believe many of you are overexaggerating our O-line woes. Did any of you py attention to how much difference the line looked when Harrington took over? Not saying Hrrington played great. But it's amazing what happened when we had a QB who made quick decisions.

So what's it gonna be? Pass up on another QB and go somewhere else? Ok, we do that then next year what do we do? Oh that's right, we were a middle of the road team with our 8-10 wins. So we now won't be able to get a top QB. It's ok let's draft somewhere else and get yet another developmental QB. Ok, we now have to replace Green with another Journeyman QB. So we once again fall in the middle of the pack. But wouldn't you know it. Now QB is still a concern but we now have to replace Zack Thomas and Json Taylor.

Gee wouldn't it have been nice to finally get our franchise QB? Whether he is a bust or not is not the issue. I would rather do wht it takes to get a "Franchise QB" nd him turn out to be a bust. Rather then get another Journeymen QB who made us a decent team but in the end we failed yet again?

Honestly, I am a homer and optimistic. But is there 1 person on this board who feels we are a Trent Green away from winning the SB?

You get Green now to be competitive and you get Quinn. The rest will fall into place. It's easier to fill lmost every other position on the team then it is to get that "Great QB"

Tureo
04-09-2007, 11:07 PM
We have to address the QB position eventually

why not now? seriously...

why not do whatever it takes to get him and sacrifice a couple years in the pits for doing so?

we've already started "rebuilding" or whatever you call want to call it

we keep toiling around .500 when we know we're not gonna go anywhere


throw everything at the direction of detriot and oakland and get "your guy"

i know why have alot of holes to fill. but all the makeup in the world won't cover that blemish of not having a QB back there

we need to get a QB and stop getting these stop gap guys

who's with me?
"Everything"? I am not aure I would throw everything away for Quinn. NOone can say he is a can't miss prospect. The only player you can say that about in this draft is CJ, and we won't trade up to get him. Should we throw away our draft just to get a good player at a position where we need a young guy or should we select the BPA and possibly get a good QB in the 2nd rd.

GRYPHONK
04-09-2007, 11:13 PM
Bravo, someone who speaks up.

If your sure of Quinn then you do give up a late second to go get him. There's no doubt about that.

Giving two seconds though is a different story. It's a huge investment and you have to be 100% sure about it.

Thankyou and I do agree with you.

I do believe it would be alot to give up to get Quinn also if it were both 2nd's

But honestly lets look at it this way. This is why I wouldn't have a problem with it.

If Detroit said we will give you the #2 for your #9, #40 and Wes Welker.... Would you do it? Let's say you covet Russel or Quinn and both of them are there at 2.

I understand it is now a 2nd round pick.But put it in perspective. Whoever we draft with the 60th pick or use to trade it with is what we will get for Welker.

This is also why I would make the trade sooner then draft day. We would give up more on a draft day trade. Even if someone sneaks up and takes Quinn at 1. We still have Russel, Johnson or Thomas to choose from. To me that is worth a 1st 2nd and our 3rd WR.

Crash_Jensen
04-09-2007, 11:13 PM
Everyone knows it, everyone has cried about it, everyone has moaned about it, everyone has all asked for the same thing ever since Marino retired.

The fact that we need a QB.

We have scouted Quinn more then any other QB. It is time now, even if we must sell the farm to finally make that happen.

"Who re we gonna get to protect him"

I believe many of you are overexaggerating our O-line woes. Did any of you py attention to how much difference the line looked when Harrington took over? Not saying Hrrington played great. But it's amazing what happened when we had a QB who made quick decisions.

So what's it gonna be? Pass up on another QB and go somewhere else? Ok, we do that then next year what do we do? Oh that's right, we were a middle of the road team with our 8-10 wins. So we now won't be able to get a top QB. It's ok let's draft somewhere else and get yet another developmental QB. Ok, we now have to replace Green with another Journeyman QB. So we once again fall in the middle of the pack. But wouldn't you know it. Now QB is still a concern but we now have to replace Zack Thomas and Json Taylor.

Gee wouldn't it have been nice to finally get our franchise QB? Whether he is a bust or not is not the issue. I would rather do wht it takes to get a "Franchise QB" nd him turn out to be a bust. Rather then get another Journeymen QB who made us a decent team but in the end we failed yet again?

Honestly, I am a homer and optimistic. But is there 1 person on this board who feels we are a Trent Green away from winning the SB?

You get Green now to be competitive and you get Quinn. The rest will fall into place. It's easier to fill lmost every other position on the team then it is to get that "Great QB"

Nah let's stand pat, take another Ronnie Brown or maybe a Jason Allen. Then at the end of next season we can talk about the 3 guys we have with all this potential. Then we can bring in Jake Delholme in the offseason.

Make a move and get us a f&*(en Qb!

Tureo
04-09-2007, 11:14 PM
Quinn and Russell are not Leinart, Young, and Cutler. If we were ever going to "give up everything" for a QB, it would've been for the latter 3. I say we stay where we are, go after a position of need (o-line, secondary), try out Daunte or Trent Green for a year, and then wait til next year. If Daunte or Trent don't pan out, then we'll have a high pick and we can go after a real prospect like Brian Brohm or even Booty.
Booty is booty. He is not considered as one of the top QBs in college football next year. He was good last year but Brohm is much better.

GRYPHONK
04-09-2007, 11:16 PM
Nah let's stand pat, take another Ronnie Brown or maybe a Jason Allen. Then at the end of next season we can talk about the 3 guys we have with all this potential. Then we can bring in Jake Delholme in the offseason.

Make a move and get us a f&*(en Qb!

Haha. Exactly.

Tureo
04-09-2007, 11:17 PM
Nah let's stand pat, take another Ronnie Brown or maybe a Jason Allen. Then at the end of next season we can talk about the 3 guys we have with all this potential. Then we can bring in Jake Delholme in the offseason.

Make a move and get us a f&*(en Qb!
I guess you think Carr would take Delhomme's job? No, I dont think so. Homey don't play that.

GRYPHONK
04-09-2007, 11:21 PM
I guess you think Carr would take Delhomme's job? No, I dont think so. Homey don't play that.

Delhomme is on a short leash. Many have speculated, even players on the roster tht it was Delhomme who held them back last year.

Don't be surprised to see Carr starting by mid season.

TexanPhinatic
04-09-2007, 11:33 PM
Delhomme is on a short leash. Many have speculated, even players on the roster tht it was Delhomme who held them back last year.

Don't be surprised to see Carr starting by mid season.

Very true, and I wouldnt be surprised if he doesnt do any better than he did in Houston and Delhomme is starting, Carr is junk.

As for giving up everything for Quinn, no. Its just not beneficial. The draft isnt about aquiring ONE guy, its about getting a group of guys who can come in. Its a youth infusion. Trading away your draft for one guy denies your team that injection, and especially when you are looking to rebuild you need all the young guns you can get to come in and compete.

And as for Quinn/Russell not being as good as last years big three, your nuts. No question I take Quinn ahead of all of them. The guy is literally EVERYTHING you want in a QB!! I dont understand the irrational dislike so many here have for this guy.

Nicky Napoleon
04-09-2007, 11:42 PM
If the move is up to the 6th spot for the 9th and 60th pick then yes make the trade. If not sit tight, or even try to trade back. This is a loaded draft, and we are rebuilding make no mistake about that. If we traded back 5 to 6 spots and got a 3rd second round pick..... It would go along way to fixing the problems on this team.

ohiobryan
04-09-2007, 11:46 PM
yes i'll do anything to get a hold of quinn even if it means giving up a 2008 first round pick!

7Kit
04-10-2007, 12:42 AM
no, i dont believe in this philosophy of trading it all away for quinn. we've got several issues and im sure cam and randy are gonna try and address every single one of 'em. QB is incredibly high on our list of priorities, but we need all those extra picks. it's not time to throw those away for a player who didnt even shine in the big games in his college career. granted, not all good pros were good college players, but leinart and young definitely excelled in their big games.

Stock up those picks and retool through the draft like the Chargers did.

Agent51
04-10-2007, 01:18 AM
We have to address the QB position eventually

why not now? seriously...

why not do whatever it takes to get him and sacrifice a couple years in the pits for doing so?

we've already started "rebuilding" or whatever you call want to call it

we keep toiling around .500 when we know we're not gonna go anywhere


throw everything at the direction of detriot and oakland and get "your guy"

i know why have alot of holes to fill. but all the makeup in the world won't cover that blemish of not having a QB back there

we need to get a QB and stop getting these stop gap guys

who's with me?

No. Well, sort of :lol:.

I am a HUGE Quinn advocate, I want him on this team like you wouldn' believe, but as far as giving up "everything and the kitchen sink", I just can't agree to that. I will never let the intrigue of one player come in the way of the overall outlook of the team.

What WOULD I give? Depending on the situation, I'd give as much as a 1st, 2nd and 3rd (and definately Culpepper, lol). It's a risk, and he COULD bust, but so could ANY player, so why not take the possibility of a QB being great or busting than, say, an OT doing the same.

We have had good lines, average lines, and crappy lines since Marino, and still haven't done anything post-season-wise (aside form a few short playoff appearances with Fiedler), so it's obviously not all the OL's fault.

We've had good WR, average WR, and crappy WR since Marino, and again, same results, so it's not all their fault. Same with RBs.

So that leaves QB. We have Pro Bowl calibur WRs (at least one anyway with Chambers), a Pro Bowl calibur RB, and an OL that imporved (although still nothing great) as the year went on, yet what we lack is a QB to pull it all together.

Quinn is a great prospect, and a competative guy, and this team needs him. Who else has his potential anytime soon? This can't be another "we'll target a franchise QB next draft" year, cuz we've had those for EIGHT years. We need to finally pull the trigger on one NOW.

I still don't think we should give away the entire draft, but we DO need to make a reasonable play for him while he's right there, who knows when the opportunity to draft a guy of this calibur comes along again.

Mr.Majestik
04-10-2007, 03:05 AM
Of the top of my head - the big 3 from last year haven't been flops, carson palmer, peyton manning, donovan mcnabb, ben roethlisberger, philip rivers, eli manning, and I'm sure there's more that I'm not even thinking about right now. So first round qb's don't "usually" flop.

Statistically speaking quarterbacks flop (a flop is defined as not producing for the team that drafted the guy, not going elsewhere and starring) in the first round at a much higher rate then any other position with only wide receiver being close. Eli Manning might already be considered a flop. His career quarterback rating is 73, lower than David Carr's career quarterback rating, and he's had much better supporting talent: Jeremy Shockey, Amani Toomer, Tiki Barber, Plaxico Burress, etc. A 73 equates to a C- talent. Rivers on the other hand is a 91 career rating, or an A talent. The Big 3 from last year have hardly had an opportunity to prove themselves as stars, or flops, but if you take away Young's scrambling, he was one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the NFL. He was just dreadful.

Trading everything including the kitchen sink for any player is a recipe for disaster. The Giants and Falcons look like suckers for trading up just a few spots to draft the likes of Manning and Vick. Is Quinn that much better a prospect then Drew Stanton? There is no convincing evidence of this.

Jaj
04-10-2007, 03:06 AM
Try their TD/INT record for one.

Phanatical
04-10-2007, 06:52 AM
one else feel like giving up everything & the kitchen sink for Quinn?We have to address the QB position eventually

why not now? seriously...

why not do whatever it takes to get him and sacrifice a couple years in the pits for doing so?

we've already started "rebuilding" or whatever you call want to call it

we keep toiling around .500 when we know we're not gonna go anywhere


throw everything at the direction of detriot and oakland and get "your guy"

i know why have alot of holes to fill. but all the makeup in the world won't cover that blemish of not having a QB back there

we need to get a QB and stop getting these stop gap guys

who's with me?

Bad idea. We should NOT trade up, if anything, we should trade down. Quinn might slip to 9, if not, there are plenty of other QB's available like Smith or Stanton.

GO PHINS~!

Captain Lou
04-10-2007, 09:17 AM
Yeah, let's do like NY did with Eli. After 3 years, they're probably be heading to the Super Bowl this year. We can sacrafice 3 years too.


The Giants are not going to the superbowl. Eli hasn't proven anything other then the fact that he is eratic at best. You guys who want to give up all these picks for Quinn only show how little you know about the game. Do you not remember Marino ? Quinn isn't going to make our line better, our receivers better, and certainly isn't going to make Thomas, Taylor, and Porter any younger. You guys have to come to the realization we are not drafting Brady Quinn.

DolfanTom
04-10-2007, 12:17 PM
who's with me?I am!

Who care's who will protect him. We'll figure that out later!

Let's start w/ priority #1, a priority long neglected!!!

Trade up - Draft Brady Quinn!!!

miamiron
04-10-2007, 12:34 PM
If the move is up to the 6th spot for the 9th and 60th pick then yes make the trade. If not sit tight, or even try to trade back. This is a loaded draft, and we are rebuilding make no mistake about that. If we traded back 5 to 6 spots and got a 3rd second round pick..... It would go along way to fixing the problems on this team.

yes to what you have said!!

kpcane
04-10-2007, 12:42 PM
Actually, many had Quinn rated right there with Leinart last year. Some speculated he would be taken over Leinart.

He was graded better then both Cutler and Young. Don't let your personal opinion start spreading falacies.

First of all, you're the self-professed 'homer'. It's only my opinion...I'm not sure how it's 'spreading falacies'.

Let me ask you something. Who would rate Quinn with Leinart last year? I never knew that guys who aren't in the draft are rated alongside guys who are in the draft for recreational purposes.

Here's what I do know. In big games, who stepped up? I saw Leinart and Young step up big time in their big games. I saw Brady Quinn choke time and time again under pressure. Hell even Jay Cutler led Vanderbilt to some big wins. Brady Quinn, on the other hand, couldn't even win a bowl game or beat USC. I saw passes that were constantly underthrown and off-target. Didn't see that from Leinart or Young.

Please, Brady Quinn fans, tell me why we should throw 3 high picks at Brady Quinn, instead of upgrading our secondary, d-line, and o-line?

kpcane
04-10-2007, 12:46 PM
A couple things...

-I am not a fan of drafting for need over value, especially with a top 10 pick. We definitely need a left tackle, but I am generally also not a proponent of drafting O Lineman with really premium picks. While hitting on an elite prospect at LT can be a boon for a franchise for years, it has been proven time and time again that it is possible, nee, likely, that you can find adequate O Linemen later in the draft. There are enough quality linemen in the draft this year that we should be able to get plenty of help there in rounds 2-7, especially considering all the picks we have.

-I am not crazy about just "winging it" with Green or Culpepper for next year as you said. There is absolutely no guarantee that we would be in good position next year to draft a guy like Brohm, Brennan, or even Booty. The bottom line is that they need to decide whether Quinn is their guy, and if he is, to make sure they get him. There is no need to go and make some stupid Ditka-esque move and trade away every pick, but they should be prepared to maybe offer just a bit more than equal value, according to the chart or whatever system they use.

Well if we are unsuccessful with Green or Culpepper, then wouldn't we be in a position to draft Brohm? We gave up a 2nd last year for C-Pep, shouldn't we at least give him a shot, before wasting yet another draft pick on a QB? I'm confident we can get need and value at the #9 pick. Maybe we can pick up Landry, Hall, Anderson, or Adams if we don't feel confident in Levi. Either way, we can really improve our team by passing on Quinn. I also think that we should pass on him even he falls to us at 9.

3rd and long
04-10-2007, 01:31 PM
No

phinphanforever
04-10-2007, 04:35 PM
And as for Quinn/Russell not being as good as last years big three, your nuts. No question I take Quinn ahead of all of them. The guy is literally EVERYTHING you want in a QB!! I dont understand the irrational dislike so many here have for this guy.
Neither do I, however, the rational dislike is very coherent. :wink:

HybridPHIN 23
04-10-2007, 05:11 PM
first rd draft picks on qbs usually flop

compare them to non-1st round QBs..... the flop ratio is even worse !!:goof:

OneHondo
04-10-2007, 07:18 PM
first rd draft picks on qbs usually flop

Yea your right, the two first round picks Miami spent on Griese and Marino were definitely flops.

CANDolphan
04-10-2007, 07:46 PM
Yeah man Leinart having that USC team didnt help him

Stop ****ing talking about Brady Quinn choking.. check his stats.. he was amazing in last years USC game and wasnt bad in any game but Michigan

GCD960
04-10-2007, 09:02 PM
Depends what you mean by flop and usually. Off the top of my head: Carr, Harrington, Leftwich, Couch, Mcnown, Akili Smith...

does this mean first rounders are not a guarantee?

kpcane
04-10-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah man Leinart having that USC team didnt help him

Stop ****ing talking about Brady Quinn choking.. check his stats.. he was amazing in last years USC game and wasnt bad in any game but Michigan

Well I checked his stats for last year's game, only because you cursed at me. I saw that every TD pass he threw (7 yards, 3, and 2) was when his team was already down by at least 18 points. That's not playing clutch football, that's playing a relaxed defense. If he really stepped up, he would've scored early in the game, so his team wasn't down. And Booty was the QB for SC last year, not Leinart.
I see he also had a great game against LSU (42% completion, 148 yards, 2 picks).

But hey, he tore up Air Force, Navy, and North Carolina. Let's sell the farm for him.

TRUEPHIN
04-10-2007, 09:52 PM
Quinn and Russell are not Leinart, Young, and Cutler. If we were ever going to "give up everything" for a QB, it would've been for the latter 3. I say we stay where we are, go after a position of need (o-line, secondary), try out Daunte or Trent Green for a year, and then wait til next year. If Daunte or Trent don't pan out, then we'll have a high pick and we can go after a real prospect like Brian Brohm or even Booty.

Well said!
This year, we need to fix our oline. Next year we need to do whatever it takes to get Brohm.

phinphanforever
04-10-2007, 09:58 PM
does this mean first rounders are not a guarantee?
No. It means that most QBs flop, and first rounders have a lot of value.:wink:

Fin-omenal
04-10-2007, 10:01 PM
First of all, you're the self-professed 'homer'. It's only my opinion...I'm not sure how it's 'spreading falacies'.

Let me ask you something. Who would rate Quinn with Leinart last year? I never knew that guys who aren't in the draft are rated alongside guys who are in the draft for recreational purposes.

Here's what I do know. In big games, who stepped up? I saw Leinart and Young step up big time in their big games. I saw Brady Quinn choke time and time again under pressure. Hell even Jay Cutler led Vanderbilt to some big wins. Brady Quinn, on the other hand, couldn't even win a bowl game or beat USC. I saw passes that were constantly underthrown and off-target. Didn't see that from Leinart or Young.

Please, Brady Quinn fans, tell me why we should throw 3 high picks at Brady Quinn, instead of upgrading our secondary, d-line, and o-line?

Exactly, couldnt have said it better myself, some people are madly in love with this guy, theres a reason he's not the top rated Qb in this draft...

PLEASE REMOVE MAN CRUSH!!!!!!!