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jonanthans
04-10-2007, 04:57 PM
I am not a big fan of Quinn's, having watched him in a lot of games. However, his stats are a LOT better than I would have thought. 69 td, 14 int last 2 seasons....

HybridPHIN 23
04-10-2007, 05:05 PM
i don't see how he averaged almost 35 TDs the last 2 seasons... i can't believe that's true.

jonanthans
04-10-2007, 05:13 PM
2006- 37 td's, 7 picks, 3426 yards, 61.9 completion rate, 146.65 rating
2005- 32 td's, 7 picks, 3919 yards, 64.9 completion rate, 158.40 rating

per ESPN.com stats page.




yeah, im with ya, I didn't figure his stats would look that good either...

DonShula84
04-10-2007, 05:16 PM
Pay attention and you'd realize it's true?

Agent51
04-10-2007, 05:16 PM
I read somewhere that he has something like 5 more career TD passes than Russell and Stanton COMBINED, and less INTs than either of them. I'm not stating this as a fact, just that I read it, but I'm sure a quick look at their stats could confirm or bust it (I'm just too tired to look them up myself right now)

DonShula84
04-10-2007, 05:18 PM
I read somewhere that he has something like 5 more career TD passes than Russell and Stanton COMBINED, and less INTs than either of them. I'm not stating this as a fact, just that I read it, but I'm sure a quick look at their stats could confirm or bust it (I'm just too tired to look them up myself right now)


Russell = 52 TDs 21 Int total
Stanton = 42 Tds 28 Int total
Quinn = 95 TDs 39 Int total

jonanthans
04-10-2007, 05:19 PM
Pay attention and you'd realize it's true?


Lol, Hard for me to do, Im an LSU fan and we made him look pretty bad...

Agent51
04-10-2007, 05:21 PM
Russell = 52 TDs 21 Int total
Stanton = 42 Tds 28 Int total
Quinn = 95 TDs 39 Int total

OK, so what I read was HALF right :lol:.

JC
04-10-2007, 05:32 PM
OK, so what I read was HALF right :lol:.

actually in quinn's TWO seasons his junior and senior year he posted better numbers then stanton and russel combined for with less int's then both

phinphanforever
04-10-2007, 06:36 PM
Stats only tell you so much, however, now that the subject has been broached...someone mentioned in this thread that he threw more TDs than Stanton and Russell combined, which I'm not sure says much at all. He threw the ball more than twice as many times as Russell. Their TD to attempt ratios are as follows:

Russell: 1: 38 attempts
Quinn: 1 : 43 attempts

Very similar.

HybridPHIN 23
04-10-2007, 06:39 PM
hmmmm wow...

HybridPHIN 23
04-10-2007, 06:40 PM
Pay attention and you'd realize it's true?

attention to what now ???

Fineas
04-10-2007, 06:54 PM
Russell = 52 TDs 21 Int total
Stanton = 42 Tds 28 Int total
Quinn = 95 TDs 39 Int total


But Russell left after his junior year. Russell's junior season was pretty comparable to Quinn's.

Dfan06
04-10-2007, 07:01 PM
Stats only tell you so much, however, now that the subject has been broached...someone mentioned in this thread that he threw more TDs than Stanton and Russell combined, which I'm not sure says much at all. He threw the ball more than twice as many times as Russell. Their TD to attempt ratios are as follows:

Russell: 1: 38 attempts
Quinn: 1 : 43 attempts

Very similar.


Yeah quite similar but Brady Quinn did it in a prostyle offense

Agent51
04-10-2007, 07:09 PM
Stats only tell you so much, however, now that the subject has been broached...someone mentioned in this thread that he threw more TDs than Stanton and Russell combined, which I'm not sure says much at all. He threw the ball more than twice as many times as Russell. Their TD to attempt ratios are as follows:

Russell: 1: 38 attempts
Quinn: 1 : 43 attempts

Very similar.

Russell also had a gameplan that was altered to play on his arm strength, where they strayed away from asking him to make a lot of the crossing stuff and the "thread the needle" passes in favor of a lot of outside the hash routes that take advantage of his arm strength. read into that however you want, but to me personally it seems like outside routes go for bigger gains and more touchdowns then the inside short yardage stuff, so that particular stat (TDs per attempt) MAY be decieving.

Elliott 1
04-10-2007, 07:15 PM
So what, Zabransky and Beck have better stats and Zabransky almost never lost. 38-5 and undefeated his senieor year.

Regan21286
04-10-2007, 07:26 PM
Lol, Hard for me to do, Im an LSU fan and we made him look pretty bad...

I thought we (UCLA) made him look bad until the 4th quarter when he engineered that comeback against our sack-happy DL, which got him 5 times earlier. He erupted in the 2nd half. To offer some perspective, John David Booty of the Trojans sucked hard behind a good OL (1 int, 0 TD's, sacked 3x) as did Trent Edwards (117 yards, 0 TD's, 3 Ints against our so-so secondary, and sacked 6 times in an all-around flogging of Stanford by the Bruins).

Agent51
04-10-2007, 07:31 PM
So what, Zabransky and Beck have better stats and Zabransky almost never lost. 38-5 and undefeated his senieor year.

Yeah, so does Colt Brennan, and they are all (well, Zabransky and Brennon anyway, I haven't looked too much into Beck) clearly products of their system. Timmy Chang had insane numbers when HE ran Hawai'i's offense too, and what has he done? Those examples are more the offense than the QB.

DonShula84
04-10-2007, 07:35 PM
attention to what now ???

college football

cormega
04-10-2007, 10:30 PM
i get allthe numbers are great, and quinnhad a ton of big games, ii just wish i could have seen some. every time i see quinn play he gets destroyed and sucks. i guess its probs b/c i only see him play good teams like LSU and michigan. but since ND has an easy schedule he gets big numbers, it would have just been nice to see him do good against a good team. plus i get soooo anoyed how they always say he is "courageous." his team is losing 50-0 against LSU and all the comentators can say is that he is "courageous." its annoying

7Kit
04-10-2007, 11:29 PM
i dont care what the man's stats look like...he played in the IA Independents...they get to see army and navy and temple for cryin out loud...here are the important stats:

"In four years at the helm of Notre Dame's offense, Brady Quinn is 29-18 as a starter. Not too bad huh? Well, when you take out Stanford, BYU and the service academies that record changes to 18-17* (corrected from 17-18). That's legendary?

Quinn has never won a bowl game (0-2) and has never beaten USC (0-4). And while he's racked up tons of yards (11,614 career) and touchdowns (93 career) those numbers don't mean much without big victories. Hell, Timmy Chang put up huge college numbers, but he isn't considered an all-time great." -Phillips.

Here's the whole article if u want to read it: http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html

Agent51
04-11-2007, 01:26 AM
i dont care what the man's stats look like...he played in the IA Independents...they get to see army and navy and temple for cryin out loud...here are the important stats:

"In four years at the helm of Notre Dame's offense, Brady Quinn is 29-18 as a starter. Not too bad huh? Well, when you take out Stanford, BYU and the service academies that record changes to 18-17* (corrected from 17-18). That's legendary?

Quinn has never won a bowl game (0-2) and has never beaten USC (0-4). And while he's racked up tons of yards (11,614 career) and touchdowns (93 career) those numbers don't mean much without big victories. Hell, Timmy Chang put up huge college numbers, but he isn't considered an all-time great." -Phillips.

Here's the whole article if u want to read it: http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html

And Marino never won a Super Bowl, what's your point? Does that mean Marino sucks? Before you jump in and try to be witty about me being an "idiot for thinking Quinn is the next Marino", I never said that. The point is ONE PLAYER isn't responsible for winning or losing an entire game. Quinn can put up all the points in the world, but if his defense doesn't stop the other team, it's futile. Look at the WRETCHED defense he had to work with. That defense is the reason JaMarcus Russell is the "consensus #1 overall".

Yeah, Quinn had a BAD game against LSU, but does anyone remember that USC game last year? He SINGLE-HANDEDLY brought that team back, and they still won that game in my eyes, USC just got that botched call in their favor to technically win.

The guy had a horrible offense and team and situation his first 2 years, and he STILL set all sorts of ND records, and then Charlie Weis came in and brought his pro-style offense and Quinn flourished.

Point being, stop looking at his win loss record, or his "failure to win the big game" reputation, because as Dolphins fans we should be EXTRA aware that winning "the big one" is NOT a mark of excellence for a QB. Marino never won it, and he is a HoF with tons of NFL passing records. Manning hadn't up until this year and he was still arguably the best QB in the NFL (if not, then second to Tom Brady).

DonShula84
04-11-2007, 01:30 AM
i dont care what the man's stats look like...he played in the IA Independents...they get to see army and navy and temple for cryin out loud...here are the important stats:

"In four years at the helm of Notre Dame's offense, Brady Quinn is 29-18 as a starter. Not too bad huh? Well, when you take out Stanford, BYU and the service academies that record changes to 18-17* (corrected from 17-18). That's legendary?

Quinn has never won a bowl game (0-2) and has never beaten USC (0-4). And while he's racked up tons of yards (11,614 career) and touchdowns (93 career) those numbers don't mean much without big victories. Hell, Timmy Chang put up huge college numbers, but he isn't considered an all-time great." -Phillips.

Here's the whole article if u want to read it: http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html

When did ND play Temple? And ND doesnt play all of the academies every year, this was actually the 1st season for Quinn to do so. And every single teams plays horrible schools, be it Duke or some division 2 school. Look at the Strength of Schedule and you'll see ND's schedule is on par with everyone else.

If ND were Arkansas and in the SEC, the best conference, they could have played powerhouses like Southeast Missouri St, Utah St or maybe Louisiana-Monroe. All teams play the Armies and Navy's.

To compare the numbers Chang put up vs Quinn is beyond ridiculous. It completly ignores the offense he played in, physical ability, negative stats like ints etc.

That article is written by a guy who admits he's a USC homer, and admits he cant comment at all on Quinn's talent level.

1Hawdolfin4L
04-11-2007, 02:01 AM
System QB? Trying to box a QB in? All QB's are system QB's. Didn't Mr. Walsh call Joe a system QB?

Dan Marino was the system? Then he too was a system QB.

Quinn coming into his own when switched to the pro-style offense. Again another system.

Then cutting down the run and shoot system? Is that the accusation? Well this is what our coach said.

Coach Cameron's Quote On The Spread Offense
http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-1407066.shtml (http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2001/10/12/Sports/The-Spread.Offense.Here.To.Stay-1407066.shtml)

"I think the spread is very similar to what the run-and-shoot was at one time," Indiana coach Cam Cameron said. "People couldn"t stop the run-and-shoot and then they figured out that you better just find ways to get to the quarterback."

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And about the system that we may be using -


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http://www.answers.com/topic/offensive-philosophy
Spread Offense

The spread offense is a general and generic term used to describe an offense that operates out of a formation with multiple wide receivers, and can be an offense that focuses on either the run or the pass. This type of offense is used more extensively on the college or high school level. On the NFL level, the most notable team that employed an offense similar in nature would be the Mike Martz (http://www.answers.com/topic/mike-martz)-coached St. Louis Rams (http://www.answers.com/topic/st-louis-rams) and "The Greatest Show on Turf". June Jones (http://www.answers.com/topic/june-jones)' Run and Shoot, Mike Leach (http://www.answers.com/topic/leach-mike)'s Air Raid, Rich Rodriguez (http://www.answers.com/topic/rich-rodriguez) and Urban Meyer (http://www.answers.com/topic/urban-meyer)'s Spread Offense, and Paul Johnson (http://www.answers.com/topic/paul-johnson-american-football-coach)'s Spread Option are all examples of spread offenses.

WOW maybe the so-called system QB fits in.

Agent51
04-11-2007, 02:10 AM
System QB? Trying to box a QB in? All QB's are system QB's. Didn't Mr. Walsh call Joe a system QB?

Dan Marino was the system? Then he too was a system QB.

Quinn coming into his own when switched to the pro-style offense. Again another system.

Then cutting down the run and shoot system? Is that the accusation? Well this is what our coach said.

Coach Cameron's Quote On The Spread Offense
http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-1407066.shtml (http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2001/10/12/Sports/The-Spread.Offense.Here.To.Stay-1407066.shtml)

"I think the spread is very similar to what the run-and-shoot was at one time," Indiana coach Cam Cameron said. "People couldn"t stop the run-and-shoot and then they figured out that you better just find ways to get to the quarterback."

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And about the system that we may be using -


file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/XP1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.jpg

http://www.answers.com/topic/offensive-philosophy
Spread Offense

The spread offense is a general and generic term used to describe an offense that operates out of a formation with multiple wide receivers, and can be an offense that focuses on either the run or the pass. This type of offense is used more extensively on the college or high school level. On the NFL level, the most notable team that employed an offense similar in nature would be the Mike Martz (http://www.answers.com/topic/mike-martz)-coached St. Louis Rams (http://www.answers.com/topic/st-louis-rams) and "The Greatest Show on Turf". June Jones (http://www.answers.com/topic/june-jones)' Run and Shoot, Mike Leach (http://www.answers.com/topic/leach-mike)'s Air Raid, Rich Rodriguez (http://www.answers.com/topic/rich-rodriguez) and Urban Meyer (http://www.answers.com/topic/urban-meyer)'s Spread Offense, and Paul Johnson (http://www.answers.com/topic/paul-johnson-american-football-coach)'s Spread Option are all examples of spread offenses.

WOW maybe the so-called system QB fits in.

You make absolutely no sense. Of course every QB runs a system. The point on Quinn is he isn't defined by ONE system. He excelled in both the West Coast offense, and the Pro Style offense, two difficult systems to master. I'm not sure what you're point is, but it seems like you are saying every QB is a system QB, so therefore they are all interchangeable and equal, and that is BS. Is Peyton Manning the same as Ryan Leaf? They were both projected #1 picks. Dam Marino the same as Warren Moon? Both HoF QBs. Michale Vick the same as Daunte Culpepper? Both mobile QBs. See, any set of QBs can be grouped together, doesn't mean they are equals.

Quinn didn't "come into his own" in the Pro Style offense, like he was crappy before it and a God after it, he was great in the West Coast system too. Meaning he isn't the product of a system, like say Tedford QBs who always look great in college and on paper, but the SYSTEM makes them look good, not their skill. Same with Zabransky, Chang, and Brennan. Those are not QBs that can go in and play in any system, those are QBs where the system they were in helped them stand out. Quinn however, has already shown he can run multiple systems.

1Hawdolfin4L
04-11-2007, 03:09 AM
End Game. End Thread.

DonShula84
04-11-2007, 03:42 AM
System QB? Trying to box a QB in? All QB's are system QB's. Didn't Mr. Walsh call Joe a system QB?

Dan Marino was the system? Then he too was a system QB.

Quinn coming into his own when switched to the pro-style offense. Again another system.

Then cutting down the run and shoot system? Is that the accusation? Well this is what our coach said.

Coach Cameron's Quote On The Spread Offense
http://media.www.michigandaily.com/m...-1407066.shtml (http://media.www.michigandaily.com/media/storage/paper851/news/2001/10/12/Sports/The-Spread.Offense.Here.To.Stay-1407066.shtml)

"I think the spread is very similar to what the run-and-shoot was at one time," Indiana coach Cam Cameron said. "People couldn"t stop the run-and-shoot and then they figured out that you better just find ways to get to the quarterback."

------------------------------------

And about the system that we may be using -


file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/XP1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.jpg

http://www.answers.com/topic/offensive-philosophy
Spread Offense

The spread offense is a general and generic term used to describe an offense that operates out of a formation with multiple wide receivers, and can be an offense that focuses on either the run or the pass. This type of offense is used more extensively on the college or high school level. On the NFL level, the most notable team that employed an offense similar in nature would be the Mike Martz (http://www.answers.com/topic/mike-martz)-coached St. Louis Rams (http://www.answers.com/topic/st-louis-rams) and "The Greatest Show on Turf". June Jones (http://www.answers.com/topic/june-jones)' Run and Shoot, Mike Leach (http://www.answers.com/topic/leach-mike)'s Air Raid, Rich Rodriguez (http://www.answers.com/topic/rich-rodriguez) and Urban Meyer (http://www.answers.com/topic/urban-meyer)'s Spread Offense, and Paul Johnson (http://www.answers.com/topic/paul-johnson-american-football-coach)'s Spread Option are all examples of spread offenses.

WOW maybe the so-called system QB fits in.

Are you trying to argue that Hawaii's system doesnt inflate QB stats? Because if so let me just get this out of the way :sidelol: . Then let me proceed to say that the only thing Brady Quinn and Tommy Chang have in common is that their last names both have 5 letters in them.