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phinphanforever
04-12-2007, 11:39 AM
For those that want a better (in my opinion) analysis on Quinn than the usual drivel that has been polluting this site. Check it out. Here's just a sample. To those that find it heresy that Quinn be considered overrated I suggest you don't read and rather continue to keep your heads buried in the sand. You won't want to hear what siome scouts are saying...

http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html (http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html)

http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml (http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml)

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca)


http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca)

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca)

FanMarino
04-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Unless we trade up we wont get him anyway.
Everyone has their own opinion on Quinn. If the guy is a loser in the big games then does that make him a long term loser? Just posting negative links wont change peoples minds. Im sure there are 10 positive links to every 1 negative link you can find on Quinn.
IMO we wont get him but i'd take him because this team is desperate for a possible Franchise QB. Russell isnt a gimme until hes shown his mettle in the NFL, same goes for Quinn and the Stantons of the Draft.

PHINBRED
04-12-2007, 01:01 PM
Unless we trade up we wont get him anyway.
Everyone has their own opinion on Quinn. If the guy is a loser in the big games then does that make him a long term loser? Just posting negative links wont change peoples minds. Im sure there are 10 positive links to every 1 negative link you can find on Quinn.
IMO we wont get him but i'd take him because this team is desperate for a possible Franchise QB. Russell isnt a gimme until hes shown his mettle in the NFL, same goes for Quinn and the Stantons of the Draft.

PAYTON MANNING COULDN'T WIN THE BIG GAME EITHER:rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2

Kyndig
04-12-2007, 01:21 PM
Dude, not for nothing, but for those same 4 or 5 articles that you cut and pasted (mostly from uniteresting and unimportant sources other than the Sporting news whom I must say as a subscriber for the past 10 years must say they have really gone downhill), anyone else could paste at least that many if not more that proclaim him to be the second coming, the opinions of which would also be from (probably more credible) so called experts.

The truth is, we won't know how good any of these cats will be until we see them step on the field and get some snaps in not just their rookie season, but over the next couple of years.

The bottom line is this, our number one need this year, currently is QB, full stop. Can you name our starting QB for this season?

If we are able to get the second rated QB in this years draft, then, you know, that doesn't sound like such a bad idea. Maybe it'll pan out, maybe it won't. We could draft Alan Branch, or Amobe Okoye, or even some of the worst ideas I've seen in that same position and history would show that they would have about the same chance to succeed or fail as anyone else we selected in that position.

People throw out the names Joey Harrington and Ryan Leaf. I throw out the names Andre Wadsworth, Courtney Brown, etc. and you know, for every 1 success there are probably like 5 busts at EVERY POSITION, so chill out, and let our front office try and address our number one need in every way they can...

BlueFin
04-12-2007, 01:47 PM
For those that want a better (in my opinion) analysis on Quinn than the usual drivel that has been polluting this site. Check it out. Here's just a sample. To those that find it heresy that Quinn be considered overrated I suggest you don't read and rather continue to keep your heads buried in the sand. You won't want to hear what siome scouts are saying...

http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html (http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html)

http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml (http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml)

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca)


http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca)

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca)

Pathetic dude, those are some real high profile evaluations of Brady Quinn you got there......not.

Blogs?, posts on a forums?, and one obviously racist black website that thinks the reason any white player gets drafted above a black player is racism?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

There is much more to succeeding as an NFL QUARTERBACK than just leading a superior LSU team to wins over teams with lesser overall talent in college.

JR won't be facing that weak Notre Dame Defense in the Pro's.

I'm not saying Brady Quinn is a sure thing, but your agenda is more than obvious.

Captain Lou
04-12-2007, 01:55 PM
Pathetic dude, those are some real high profile evaluations of Brady Quinn you got there......not.

Blogs?, posts on a forums?, and one obviously racist black website that thinks the reason any white player gets drafted above a black player is racism?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

There is much more to succeeding as an NFL QUARTERBACK than just leading a superior LSU team to wins over teams with lesser overall talent in college.

JR won't be facing that weak Notre Dame Defense in the Pro's.

I'm not saying Brady Quinn is a sure thing, but your agenda is more than obvious.



how do you guys consistantly egnore the fact he is abysmal against formadable competition. Great players win games they aren't supposed to. They don't finish under 500 against them.

BlueFin
04-12-2007, 02:05 PM
how do you guys consistantly egnore the fact he is abysmal against formadable competition. Great players win games they aren't supposed to. They don't finish under 500 against them.

Because football is a team game Capn' Lou, and even Dan Marino in his prime couldn't overcome a vastly superior 49er team in Superbowl 19, his handicap was just too great.

Finfan53
04-12-2007, 02:12 PM
Pathetic dude, those are some real high profile evaluations of Brady Quinn you got there......not.

Blogs?, posts on a forums?, and one obviously racist black website that thinks the reason any white player gets drafted above a black player is racism?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

There is much more to succeeding as an NFL QUARTERBACK than just leading a superior LSU team to wins over teams with lesser overall talent in college.

JR won't be facing that weak Notre Dame Defense in the Pro's.

I'm not saying Brady Quinn is a sure thing, but your agenda is more than obvious.
:yeahthat:

Captain Lou
04-12-2007, 02:44 PM
Because football is a team game Capn' Lou, and even Dan Marino in his prime couldn't overcome a vastly superior 49er team in Superbowl 19, his handicap was just too great.

I'm well aware of that fact. However, Marino won 2 pretty big games to get to the superbowl.

BlueFin
04-12-2007, 02:47 PM
I'm well aware of that fact. However, Marino won 2 pretty big games to get to the superbowl.

Well then, you should be aware that whilst Notre Dame was good enough to beat some teams on their schedule, they weren't in the same league as USC and LSU.

FanMarino
04-12-2007, 02:51 PM
Because football is a team game Capn' Lou, and even Dan Marino in his prime couldn't overcome a vastly superior 49er team in Superbowl 19, his handicap was just too great.

Exactomundo! Its a team game and anyone who thinks a QB can win a game on his own needs their head looking at. P.S. QB's dont play Defense EITHER!

xxAQUA JOSHUAxx
04-12-2007, 03:03 PM
it takes 53 players to win a game.

Agent51
04-12-2007, 03:07 PM
PAYTON MANNING COULDN'T WIN THE BIG GAME EITHER:rolleyes2 :rolleyes2 :rolleyes2


Neither could DAN MARINO, and we all know how crappy THAT guy was :rolleyes2

Because, you know, ONLY the QB is playing in those big games, it couldn't POSSIBLY be a team effort (or lackthereof).

SoDakDolfan
04-12-2007, 04:15 PM
Maybe Quinn couldn't win the 'big games' because the Irish stinking defense was giving up an average of 44 points per game to those 'big game' teams.

Agent51
04-12-2007, 04:30 PM
Maybe Quinn couldn't win the 'big games' because the Irish stinking defense was giving up an average of 44 points per game to those 'big game' teams.

EXACTLY what I've been saying all along.

jlfin
04-12-2007, 04:37 PM
For those that want a better (in my opinion) analysis on Quinn than the usual drivel that has been polluting this site. Check it out. Here's just a sample. To those that find it heresy that Quinn be considered overrated I suggest you don't read and rather continue to keep your heads buried in the sand. You won't want to hear what siome scouts are saying...

http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html (http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html)

http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml (http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml)

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca)


http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca)

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca)

None of these sites is worth a darn. They are garbage sites.

ckparrothead
04-12-2007, 04:38 PM
Seems to me that pretty much everyone that hates Brady Quinn just really dislike Notre Dame. Oh well.

Ronnieisabeast
04-12-2007, 05:03 PM
Exactomundo! Its a team game and anyone who thinks a QB can win a game on his own needs their head looking at. P.S. QB's dont play Defense EITHER!I agree with you on that, but I think the thing that some people are worried(myself incluled) is that he performed poorly in the big games. It would be a different story if he played well, and his team lost. But that wasn't the case. Ever since the USC game his jr. year he just looked lost against the higher competition. From what I've seen once you get pressure on him he becomes an average quarterback.

phinphanforever
04-12-2007, 05:11 PM
Seems to me that pretty much everyone that hates Brady Quinn just really dislike Notre Dame. Oh well.
Hate is a strong word, and innapropriate in this case.
I'm not a fan of the Irish, and since I didn't attend an American college, I'm not especially drawn to any team. I do, however, feel strongly that the Irish are one of the more overrated college programs. Don't get me wrong, they have a very impressive history, but those days are long gone. Irish fans have been waiting-and some would say forcing- for a renewal of their program for quite some time.
But more to my point, the dislike of a team (or player) has nothing to do with the analysis of a player. I could care less about the affiliation a player has with a team when providing an assessment. It just doesn't enter into the equation. Case in point: I loathe the NE Patriots, but I respect the hell out of them, and think Tom Brady is quite possibly the best football player (forget just QB) that I have seen play (I know that this statement will probably receive the most -if any- attention this post receives... and if so....then so be it ).
My dislike for Brady Quinn has nothing to do with the Irish. I think you are well aware of my reasons.

phinphanforever
04-12-2007, 05:13 PM
I agree with you on that, but I think the thing that some people are worried(myself incluled) is that he performed poorly in the big games. It would be a different story if he played well, and his team lost. But that wasn't the case. Ever since the USC game his jr. year he just looked lost against the higher competition. From what I've seen once you get pressure on him he becomes an average quarterback.
Lost is an apt word when describing Quinn in the big games.

ckparrothead
04-12-2007, 05:15 PM
Hate is a strong word, and innapropriate in this case.
I'm not a fan of the Irish, and since I didn't attend an American college, I'm not especially drawn to any team. I do, however, feel strongly that the Irish are one of the more overrated college programs. Don't get me wrong, they have a very impressive history, but those days are long gone. Irish fans have been waiting-and some would say forcing- for a renewal of their program for quite some time.
But more to my point, the dislike of a team (or player) has nothing to do with the analysis of a player. I could care less about the affiliation a player has with a team when providing an assessment. It just doesn't enter into the equation. Case in point: I loathe the NE Patriots, but I respect the hell out of them, and think Tom Brady is quite possibly the best football player (forget just QB) that I have seen play (I know that this statement will probably receive the most -if any- attention this post receives, and if so be the case).
My dislike for Brady Quinn has nothing to do with the Irish. I think you are well aware of my reasons.

And yet you assume (quite publicly) that other people only like Brady Quinn because they like the Irish. Why?

OneHondo
04-12-2007, 05:26 PM
I'm well aware of that fact. However, Marino won 2 pretty big games to get to the superbowl.

Thats two games as a Pro not as a college player.
Quinn has better stats than Marino did at Pitt and if your going to throw out the can't win the big game card, that can be said of a lot of college QBs who didn't have great records in college but showed promise. John Elway turned out pretty good, but if he was coming out this year you would be saying the same thing about him. Why? Because his team wasn't that good at Stanford and he never played in a bowl game nor did he lead his team to a bowl appearence.
I guess a lot of people are wrong in thinking Quinn is something special or I doubt he would be an early 1st round prospect.

Namor
04-12-2007, 05:27 PM
Seems to me that pretty much everyone that hates Brady Quinn just really dislike Notre Dame. Oh well.

I HATE Notre Dame,but I would do back flips to
draft Brady.

phinphanforever
04-12-2007, 05:28 PM
And yet you assume (quite publicly) that other people only like Brady Quinn because they like the Irish. Why?
It's not an assumption. Pure speculation (which I thought I was clear on). I do, however, find the majority of Quinn's supporters are excessive in their praise. So much so to the point that there assessments come across as 'irrational exuberance'.
I accept that there will be disagreements on players, however, when I read pieces by solid and knowledgebale football insiders/scouts/pundits/fans making very bold statements about the virtues of Brady Quinn, and compare with my own thoughts on him -which as we all know are far more sobering (or I suppose to his supporters, insulting and invidious)- I am baffled, stunned, perplexed etc as to why there is such a giant chasm in difference of opinion. I chalk it up to emotion. And since I know that I don't have much emotional attachment to Quinn, I assume you (they, whoever) do. But it's pure speculation.

NMUCats
04-12-2007, 05:28 PM
It's amazing to me the garbage being spewed by the anti-Quinn supporters here. They don't look at the fact that he played in the same exact system that the Patriots used, or that he was the unquestioned leader of the football team and a guy everyone looked up to, or that he is an extremely cerebral qb that makes very few mistakes (see td to int ratio), or that he is a 4 year starter that got pummeled his first year on a horrid team, and proceeded to bring them back to respectability by his junior/senior campaign, or that his former NFL coach loves him, or that he led numerous comebacks under all kinds of pressure, or that...you get my drift.

But NO NO, let's put ALL of our focus into the fact that his TEAM got beat by much better TEAMS with better players all around. Such a weak/pathetic thing to focus on. When Quinn states in his interviews that every game is high pressure at ND, he's right. Some of you admit he was brilliant in the USC 05 game, when he led a drive in the final 2 mins to put his team ahead, but then say he played like garbage in every big game after that one. What about the Penn St game this past year? PSU was ranked fairly high (I believe it was #17 or 18), with a stout defense, and Quinn dominated in that one. Is that game just exempt? Did you conveniently look over that one? Tell me that wasn't a big game with a straight face, and you tell me that you don't understand college football. Penn St-ND is a big rivalry, and trust me, there was a lot of talk before that one. Add to it that PSU finished the year in the top 20, top 15 in defense, and beat an SEC team in a bowl game, and it makes the case even stronger.

I've said it all along, if you choose to rip on Quinn, that's fine. Be my guest. As an Irish fan, I've gotten used to it for 2+ years. That's just the territory that comes with the media spotlight on them. However, at least make a legitimate case. Rip on his accuracy if you will. I've said before, that he is streaky sometimes, and can go through a couple bad possessions before he gets it rolling. Rip on the fact that he can't throw the ball 70 yards in the air, or that he can't throw 50 yard Howitzers downfield. At least those are legitimate things to be concerned about.

Boomer
04-17-2007, 09:22 AM
It's not an assumption. Pure speculation (which I thought I was clear on). I do, however, find the majority of Quinn's supporters are excessive in their praise. So much so to the point that there assessments come across as 'irrational exuberance'.
I accept that there will be disagreements on players, however, when I read pieces by solid and knowledgebale football insiders/scouts/pundits/fans making very bold statements about the virtues of Brady Quinn, and compare with my own thoughts on him -which as we all know are far more sobering (or I suppose to his supporters, insulting and invidious)- I am baffled, stunned, perplexed etc as to why there is such a giant chasm in difference of opinion. I chalk it up to emotion. And since I know that I don't have much emotional attachment to Quinn, I assume you (they, whoever) do. But it's pure speculation.

I have no emotional attatchment to Quinn. I just happen to think he's a very good QB.

You believe he's not worthy of a first round pick, which puts you in a majority of one.

mf52dolphin
04-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Seems to me that pretty much everyone that hates Brady Quinn just really dislike Notre Dame. Oh well.

Actually not really.:sidelol:
I am not a big fan of Quinn at all. I am more or less neutral on Notre Dame.

I really believe that Quinn is really a not as good version of Joey Harrington. Quinn has also played the last two seasons under the best active offensive coach in all of football. In those two years he played very well against bad defenses but not good against good ones. Now in the NFL he will be playing for an offensive coach not as good as Charlie Weis, and against better defenses, so therefore to me his future looks bleak:shakeno: :(
Also since I firmly believe that at Oregon Joey Harrington was a better quarterback than Quinn was at Notre Dame, and we know from last year that Harrington was a mediocre caretaker type of quarterback for us, I do not see anything better than mediocre caretaker ability from Quinn.

Captain Lou
04-17-2007, 01:27 PM
Thats two games as a Pro not as a college player.
Quinn has better stats than Marino did at Pitt and if your going to throw out the can't win the big game card, that can be said of a lot of college QBs who didn't have great records in college but showed promise. John Elway turned out pretty good, but if he was coming out this year you would be saying the same thing about him. Why? Because his team wasn't that good at Stanford and he never played in a bowl game nor did he lead his team to a bowl appearence.
I guess a lot of people are wrong in thinking Quinn is something special or I doubt he would be an early 1st round prospect.

That's exactly what I'm saying.
Notre Dame was ranked at some point in the top 10 during the last 2 years. They weren't as terrible as you're suggesting. So I guess it is fair to say Notre Dame is over-rated, but blasphemy to say the same of Brady Quinn.

Wolf13
04-17-2007, 03:55 PM
I really don't see a "bad" game in his last two years, sure he's had some average ones in there but after each loss he's bounced back great which tells me he doesn't mope around and get all depressed after losing a game (heck look at the whooping he put on BYU in 2005 after the USC game 467 yds and 6 TD's - yes I know it's BYU, but still...)

The whole Quinn being bad in big games is waaayyy over-hyped. It sure didn't stop/hinder P. Manning. We would still need an O-Line to protect him though if he's to succeed

links below for his game stats from the 05-06 seasons
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/gamelog?playerId=150329&year=2006 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/gamelog?playerId=150329&year=2006)

Highlights:
vs Michigan 234 yds 3 TDs 3 INTs (avg numbers but definetly not horrible)
vs Michigan State 319 yds 5 TDs 1 INT (this was week after "big game" loss to Michigan)
@USC 274 yds 3 TDs 0 INTs
vs LSU 148 yds 2 TDs 2 INTs (was worst perfomance, but still had at least equal TDs to INTs)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/gamelog?playerId=150329&year=2005 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/gamelog?playerId=150329&year=2005)

2005 Highlights:
vs Michigan State 487 yds 5 TD's 1 INT
Win at Michigan
Vs USC 264 yds 1 TD 1 INT (along with one heck of a final drive for go ahead TD)
vs BYU 467yds 6 TDs 0 INTs (this was after big game loss to USC)
Fiesta Bowl vs AJ Hawk OSU defense 286 yds 0 TD 0 INT

Boomer
01-30-2008, 08:44 AM
For those that want a better (in my opinion) analysis on Quinn than the usual drivel that has been polluting this site. Check it out. Here's just a sample. To those that find it heresy that Quinn be considered overrated I suggest you don't read and rather continue to keep your heads buried in the sand. You won't want to hear what siome scouts are saying...

http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html (http://sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2006/11/breaking-down-brady-quinn.html)

http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml (http://www.blackathlete.net/Blackbox/article_02740.shtml)

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca (http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:EfF-ZN7I-DkJ:sportsyenta.blogspot.com/2007/02/quinns-stock-dropping.html+Brady+Quinn+Hype&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=ca)


http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ObhwLdh8xx4J:mgoblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/backlash-backlash-backlash.html+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=23&gl=ca)

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca (http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:AvTKQOgjD64J:forums-beta.sportingnews.com/topic.php%3Fp%3D1718738+Brady+Quinn+overrated&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=43&gl=ca)


Great work Sid.

Not.