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Fin-omenal
04-12-2007, 04:59 PM
http://www.thecolumbusdispatch.com/dispatch/content/sports/stories/2007/04/12/osufb12.ART_ART_04-12-07_E1_606C4T0.html


--sounds like Lienehan really likes Ginn...no way he slips out of the top 20.

NashPhin
04-12-2007, 05:09 PM
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.

Fin-omenal
04-12-2007, 05:11 PM
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.

Defenses DID acount for Ginn keeping the safteys deep and allowing Gonzalez to get in good situations..Ginn like Linehan said makes your defense account for him..you dont have to believe me but when an NFL coach is praising him like that its for a reason.

dominizzo
04-12-2007, 05:13 PM
its understandable!! Rams WR Bruce is aging and Holt is not getting younger

ChambersWI
04-12-2007, 05:14 PM
I don't know how reliable neutral a Columbus paper would be about an Ohio State player.

As i said in the VIP, I never thought Ginn was worth a top 10 pick because he is too raw. If I'm him, I'm praying to drop to the middle to late first. Sure, he'll lose money, but he'll be in a great situation (either Dallas,Denver, or KC) where he can develop and not have to be one of the top 2 guys right away.

Fin-omenal
04-12-2007, 05:16 PM
I don't know how reliable neutral a Columbus paper would be about an Ohio State player.

As i said in the VIP, I never thought Ginn was worth a top 10 pick because he is too raw. If I'm him, I'm praying to drop to the middle to late first. Sure, he'll lose money, but he'll be in a great situation (either Dallas,Denver, or KC) where he can develop and not have to be one of the top 2 guys right away.


LOL, I doubt they were misquoting a Rams HC...that would be funny!!

ChambersWI
04-12-2007, 05:20 PM
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.

it's been said many times, Hall was only on Jarrett a couple of plays, and the one big play he gave up was because he missed a tackle.


LOL, I doubt they were misquoting a Rams HC...that would be funny

not saying the quote is wrong, I'm saying their not going to cast the local boy in a negative light. It should be noted that several national media outlets have stated that scouts were less than impressed with Ginn.

ckparrothead
04-12-2007, 05:23 PM
I find it very odd that so many people regard Ginn so highly. I never watched an OSU game and felt (other than on special teams) that the defense had to account for Ginn on every play. Anthony Gonzales was that guy.

I guess it goes to show how much a 40 time means to people. I always thought that Dwayne Jarrett was a far more dominant (and durable) college receiver and it seems he's dropped well out of the Top 20. He practically abused Leon Hall in the Rose Bowl, yet Hall is projected to be taken well before Jarrett.

I'm sorry but this is just terribly misguided. Nobody even knows what Ted Ginn Jr's true 40 time is. Nobody. We know he ran between 4.38 and 4.44 or something like that...in the rain...on a sprained foot. But that's it. Nobody knows what he would do healthy, or in optimal conditions. All we know is that he ran somewhere around a 4.34 when he came out of high school. But that was high school, and he's far more developed now.

So tell me, how could anyone just be falling in love with a 40 time that nobody really knows?

There is an important distinction that you are basically just glossing over. There's a *big* difference between falling in love with a guy's speed when he's running around in shorts on a track at the Combine and his pro day, and falling love with a guy's speed when he's running around in pads against some of the top players in college football.

And Dwayne Jarrett made one play on Leon Hall, and it was a bracket coverage where the safety blew his assignment and Hall subsequently fell down. One play. The rest of the time, USC specifically avoided throwing toward Leon Hall.

Ted Ginn Jr. made a big play on Leon Hall too, but this time it was Ginn's speed, not a busted bracket coverage, that was responsible. Hall didn't get inside enough to account for Ginn's jets. Ted Ginn Jr. also had a touchdown against Jim Thorpe Award winner Aaron Ross. Ross tried to press Ginn at the line, Ginn deked a few times, and left him in the dust.

NashPhin
04-12-2007, 05:38 PM
Ginn, Jr. reminds me an awful lot of Tennessee product Donte Stallworth, another fantastic-running sportscar of a receiver who seems to always be in the shop.

With the #9 pick, I don't want to get caught up in wondering what unbelievable things a player could do if he didn't have a busted wheel.

CC Coach
04-12-2007, 05:42 PM
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.

Fin-omenal
04-12-2007, 05:44 PM
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.

Very,very well said...all very true comments

JFoxx
04-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.

:lol: How does being an OSU make you "unbiased". If anything it lends you towards being more biased, but at least you are more knowledgable about his game to game skills versus the avg person who maybe saw him 4-6 times last year. While I understand and probably can agree with a fair amount of what you were saying, the problem still remains . . . . . . . you know you probably will get a decent KR/PR guy, but ??? at WR. Many teams still have Troy Williamson still pretty fresh on their minds and a LOT of what you said about Ginn are the same things that were said about T.Williamson when he came out. Could be a huge payoff for a team willing to take that risk, but could be a huge bust and I don't think in this deep of a draft this year, teams want a 1st round potential bust.

miamiron
04-12-2007, 05:56 PM
http://www.thecolumbusdispatch.com/dispatch/content/sports/stories/2007/04/12/osufb12.ART_ART_04-12-07_E1_606C4T0.html


--sounds like Lienehan really likes Ginn...no way he slips out of the top 20.

I prefer GINN "FALLS" out of the top 20

:sidelol:

Fin-omenal
04-12-2007, 05:57 PM
:lol: How does being an OSU make you "unbiased". If anything it lends you towards being more biased, but at least you are more knowledgable about his game to game skills versus the avg person who maybe saw him 4-6 times last year. While I understand and probably can agree with a fair amount of what you were saying, the problem still remains . . . . . . . you know you probably will get a decent KR/PR guy, but ??? at WR. Many teams still have Troy Williamson still pretty fresh on their minds and a LOT of what you said about Ginn are the same things that were said about T.Williamson when he came out. Could be a huge payoff for a team willing to take that risk, but could be a huge bust and I don't think in this deep of a draft this year, teams want a 1st round potential bust.

yea, a "decent" return man...please:o

miamiron
04-12-2007, 06:01 PM
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.

how is his production in the red zone????????:confused:

dan the fin
04-12-2007, 06:08 PM
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.

Everything he said is true, and I hated Ginn from the day that he choose OSU over Mich. But Ginn is an amazing talent on the field. And for who ever said u don't have to account for Ginn that it was Gonzalez please watch a few more games. And for that 40 time of around 4.4 Hurt or not that is still fast on a good track on a nice day. Most players would have just cancelled the workout cause of weather so that shows heart. He ran on a field that had snow ice ran and every other thing happen to it in the last week, come on people check the weather sometimes during the commercials. If jarret ran in those conditions what do think his time would have been maybe a 4.8 or so.

clbrazee
04-12-2007, 07:02 PM
If he drops to the 4th round or lower draft him, otherwise, let him go to another team. He's a return specialist.

zach8111
04-12-2007, 07:02 PM
I'm sorry but this is just terribly misguided. Nobody even knows what Ted Ginn Jr's true 40 time is. Nobody. We know he ran between 4.38 and 4.44 or something like that...in the rain...on a sprained foot. But that's it. Nobody knows what he would do healthy, or in optimal conditions. All we know is that he ran somewhere around a 4.34 when he came out of high school. But that was high school, and he's far more developed now.

So tell me, how could anyone just be falling in love with a 40 time that nobody really knows?

There is an important distinction that you are basically just glossing over. There's a *big* difference between falling in love with a guy's speed when he's running around in shorts on a track at the Combine and his pro day, and falling love with a guy's speed when he's running around in pads against some of the top players in college football.

And Dwayne Jarrett made one play on Leon Hall, and it was a bracket coverage where the safety blew his assignment and Hall subsequently fell down. One play. The rest of the time, USC specifically avoided throwing toward Leon Hall.

Ted Ginn Jr. made a big play on Leon Hall too, but this time it was Ginn's speed, not a busted bracket coverage, that was responsible. Hall didn't get inside enough to account for Ginn's jets. Ted Ginn Jr. also had a touchdown against Jim Thorpe Award winner Aaron Ross. Ross tried to press Ginn at the line, Ginn deked a few times, and left him in the dust.
h ewas actually in the 4.2's in high school. and with that speed he could stretch the field and help open up other recievers. ginn ran around a 4.3-4.4 in the RAIN and on an INJURED ANKLE just imagine what he could do in ideal conditions and on a healed ankle.

newlownorder
04-12-2007, 07:06 PM
didnt he run today?

J Tes
04-12-2007, 07:06 PM
Defenses DID acount for Ginn keeping the safteys deep and allowing Gonzalez to get in good situations..Ginn like Linehan said makes your defense account for him..you dont have to believe me but when an NFL coach is praising him like that its for a reason.

ding ding ding

zach8111
04-12-2007, 07:08 PM
I'm sorry but this is just terribly misguided. Nobody even knows what Ted Ginn Jr's true 40 time is. Nobody. We know he ran between 4.38 and 4.44 or something like that...in the rain...on a sprained foot. But that's it. Nobody knows what he would do healthy, or in optimal conditions. All we know is that he ran somewhere around a 4.34 when he came out of high school. But that was high school, and he's far more developed now.

So tell me, how could anyone just be falling in love with a 40 time that nobody really knows?

There is an important distinction that you are basically just glossing over. There's a *big* difference between falling in love with a guy's speed when he's running around in shorts on a track at the Combine and his pro day, and falling love with a guy's speed when he's running around in pads against some of the top players in college football.

And Dwayne Jarrett made one play on Leon Hall, and it was a bracket coverage where the safety blew his assignment and Hall subsequently fell down. One play. The rest of the time, USC specifically avoided throwing toward Leon Hall.

Ted Ginn Jr. made a big play on Leon Hall too, but this time it was Ginn's speed, not a busted bracket coverage, that was responsible. Hall didn't get inside enough to account for Ginn's jets. Ted Ginn Jr. also had a touchdown against Jim Thorpe Award winner Aaron Ross. Ross tried to press Ginn at the line, Ginn deked a few times, and left him in the dust.
the 4.38-4.44 was his best and worst and the others he ran we inbetween

finfan54
04-12-2007, 07:23 PM
I think its well established who Ted Ginn Jr. is. Its a bit rediculous for people to ***** about speed on the guy. We know he's fast.

My question is what diff does it make when you have like 5 or 6 other guys in this draft who are comparitively as fast?

Speed is not everything.

And as good as a post that was CC Coach, to say he will be far better than Levi Brown is rediculous. Your comparing apples to oranges for one, and for two, that is just an opinion that wont mean squat if Ginn is gimpy and cant go for game time.

finfan54
04-12-2007, 07:29 PM
http://www.thecolumbusdispatch.com/dispatch/content/sports/stories/2007/04/12/osufb12.ART_ART_04-12-07_E1_606C4T0.html


--sounds like Lienehan really likes Ginn...no way he slips out of the top 20.

Now to get to the thread. If Linehan wants Ginn, god bless him.

dan the fin
04-12-2007, 07:44 PM
I think its well established who Ted Ginn Jr. is. Its a bit rediculous for people to ***** about speed on the guy. We know he's fast.

My question is what diff does it make when you have like 5 or 6 other guys in this draft who are comparitively as fast?

Speed is not everything.

And as good as a post that was CC Coach, to say he will be far better than Levi Brown is rediculous. Your comparing apples to oranges for one, and for two, that is just an opinion that wont mean squat if Ginn is gimpy and cant go for game time.

I don't think there is 5-6 guys as fast as him. Maybe clock speed but not on the football field. I have read were some scouts say he may be top 10 or top five speed in the NFL. Skip Bayless put it best on one of those shows today, "NFL scouts know that when he puts the pads on he's fast like crazy fast." He was also saying that he may take time two become a top 2 WR, but he will effect the game everytime he is on the field, cause he can score so many ways and whenever he touches the ball there is a chance at a TD.

zach8111
04-12-2007, 07:55 PM
I don't think there is 5-6 guys as fast as him. Maybe clock speed but not on the football field. I have read were some scouts say he may be top 10 or top five speed in the NFL. Skip Bayless put it best on one of those shows today, "NFL scouts know that when he puts the pads on he's fast like crazy fast." He was also saying that he may take time two become a top 2 WR, but he will effect the game everytime he is on the field, cause he can score so many ways and whenever he touches the ball there is a chance at a TD.
yes i watched it on cold pizza and i agree with him 100%. i would take himif quinn is gone by#6 and maybe trade down for him.

PogiRo
04-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Why are people so set on Ginn? Picking WR's in the first round is risky enough, but to pick one that is still hurt from an injury that happened 4 months ago? The team is not that desperate for a WR and Ginn is hardly one of those can't pass up prospects that rarely comes along. There are other more pressing needs to address before risking the #9 pick on a guy who hasn't worked out well and is hurt and isn't healing well. Like injuries won't happen in the NFL?

CC Coach
04-12-2007, 08:14 PM
Of course picking Ginn is risky.
But compared to Saban's moron pick of Jason Allen, it is better than that pick last year.
What the scouts see in Ginn is something that you don't see often unless you watch him in person.
Ginn's running ability and the way he moves on the football is different from other athletes.
The first time I saw him in person as a freshman, just warming up he stood out as different from every player on the field.
He may not be a great NFL receiver, but the defense has to know where he is.

alienalias
04-12-2007, 08:46 PM
I'm sorry but this is just terribly misguided. Nobody even knows what Ted Ginn Jr's true 40 time is. Nobody. We know he ran between 4.38 and 4.44 or something like that...in the rain...on a sprained foot. But that's it. Nobody knows what he would do healthy, or in optimal conditions. All we know is that he ran somewhere around a 4.34 when he came out of high school. But that was high school, and he's far more developed now.

So tell me, how could anyone just be falling in love with a 40 time that nobody really knows?

There is an important distinction that you are basically just glossing over. There's a *big* difference between falling in love with a guy's speed when he's running around in shorts on a track at the Combine and his pro day, and falling love with a guy's speed when he's running around in pads against some of the top players in college football.

And Dwayne Jarrett made one play on Leon Hall, and it was a bracket coverage where the safety blew his assignment and Hall subsequently fell down. One play. The rest of the time, USC specifically avoided throwing toward Leon Hall.

Ted Ginn Jr. made a big play on Leon Hall too, but this time it was Ginn's speed, not a busted bracket coverage, that was responsible. Hall didn't get inside enough to account for Ginn's jets. Ted Ginn Jr. also had a touchdown against Jim Thorpe Award winner Aaron Ross. Ross tried to press Ginn at the line, Ginn deked a few times, and left him in the dust.


I don't think he's necessarily glossing over many facts or distinctions. Many scouts and draft guru's aside from yourself, feel Ginn Jr. to be in the mold of a Dante Hall... http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/ginn_ted . Hall ran a 4.3 40, and is a little shorter. But they are built the same, and similar attribute-wise.

"Compares To: Dante Hall, Kansas City -- Like Hall, Ginn appears to be a quality return specialist who can contribute some as a receiver rather than a receiver who can contribute some as a return specialist. He is very effective on quick slants and screens and tracks the ball well over his head, but with his lack of strength and inability to defeat the press, he will struggle to get a clean release and into his routes at the next level. He seems hesitant to go over the middle as a receiver, and he tends to lose concentration when he hears a defender's footsteps. Still, he is an electrifying returner who could bring decent value in multiple-receiver formations, as long as you don't ask Ginn to run lateral routes into a crowd. "

rvicious
04-12-2007, 08:58 PM
http://www.thecolumbusdispatch.com/dispatch/content/sports/stories/2007/04/12/osufb12.ART_ART_04-12-07_E1_606C4T0.html


--sounds like Lienehan really likes Ginn...no way he slips out of the top 20.

Hope he slips right past us.:wink:
SAY NO TO GINN!!!!!!!:tantrum: :tantrum:

AZStryker
04-12-2007, 09:06 PM
Most of the fans know little about Ginn so let me clarify a few areas about him. As an OSU fan I can give you an unbiased analysis of Ginn , having watched every game he played.
First, he is the fastest player in college football and would be in the top 3 in the NFL.
He needs work running routes and patterns.
His hands are average to above average. He tends to drop the out pass but catches the deep ball very well.
Despite this recent injury, he is not prone to getting hurt.
He needs to get stronger to ward off the press coverage. But with his speed it is a huge gamble to press him without deep safety coverage.That's where he becomes valuable in freeing up the other WRs.
His kickoff and punt return ability is second to none. Every touch means a potential TD.
He is humble, great kid with an excellent attitude, demeanor and work ethic.
Is he worth the #9 pick? Probabaly not. But he has potential to be far better than a player like Levi Brown, Leon Hall, etc.

Ya, that was a greatly shown when he refused to go back into the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME becasue he didn't want to hurt his draft status!

PogiRo
04-12-2007, 09:22 PM
All I am saying is he isn't worth the risk. At the least, he is not worth the support that he is receiving from Phin fans. He's hurt, taking a long time to recuperate (might be a problem in his career, u know?), and hasn't worked out well. At least people should wait til he puts out good workout.

JT#1
04-12-2007, 09:30 PM
Ya, that was a greatly shown when he refused to go back into the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME becasue he didn't want to hurt his draft status!

Are you blind? Did you not see him on the sideline using crutches?

AZStryker
04-12-2007, 09:35 PM
Are you blind? Did you not see him on the sideline using crutches?

Hmmm....Most every sports personality I heard said he could have gone back into the game, especially a National Championship. You take a shot, grit your teeth and get it done. He left his team out to dry in the single most improtant game of his college career! The guy lacks heart or integrity, do we really want some one who is missing either? Definitely not at 9, so dream on!

BTW the crutches were a cover.

PhinSoldia
04-12-2007, 09:39 PM
Hmmm....Most every sports personality I heard said he could have gone back into the game, especially a National Championship. You take a shot, grit your teeth and get it done. He left his team out to dry in the single most improtant game of his college career! The guy lacks heart or integrity, do we really want some one who is missing either? Definitely not at 9, so dream on!

BTW the crutches were a cover.


how do you know this?

finfanatic38
04-12-2007, 10:36 PM
Hmmm....Most every sports personality I heard said he could have gone back into the game, especially a National Championship. You take a shot, grit your teeth and get it done. He left his team out to dry in the single most improtant game of his college career! The guy lacks heart or integrity, do we really want some one who is missing either? Definitely not at 9, so dream on!

BTW the crutches were a cover.

Obviously you have never had a serious ankle sprain.

TexanPhinatic
04-12-2007, 11:03 PM
Lol that guys just a worthless troll.

Ankle sprains take time to recover, pure and simple. But the thing is that they are not repetitive injuries. And this was the ONLY injury Ginn had, so quit whining about durability and that crap.

The guy is an amazing talent, and based on raw athletic ability easily worth a top 10 pick. Based on the others in the draft, he wont go until at least the 7th spot, but hes every bit worthy of that spot and our 9.

And to all these crazy Ginn haters who blindly compare him to Dante Hall without ever actually watching him play, or just making a snap judgement because hes fast (like its a bad thing)-get real. Hes gonna be a beast in this league along the lines of Harrison or Steve Smith.

So much ignorance over him and quinn, its getting old really.

Tureo
04-12-2007, 11:20 PM
Ginn, Jr. reminds me an awful lot of Tennessee product Donte Stallworth, another fantastic-running sportscar of a receiver who seems to always be in the shop.

With the #9 pick, I don't want to get caught up in wondering what unbelievable things a player could do if he didn't have a busted wheel.
HELLO

JAKEIII
04-12-2007, 11:26 PM
yea, a "decent" return man...please:o
Return man @ #9?:wink:

Tureo
04-12-2007, 11:32 PM
[quote=dan the fin;1061970363]I don't think there is 5-6 guys as fast as him. Maybe clock speed but not on the football field. I have read were some scouts say he may be top 10 or top five speed in the NFL. Skip Bayless put it best on one of those shows today, "NFL scouts know that when he puts the pads on he's fast like crazy fast." He was also saying that he may take time two become a top 2 WR, but he will effect the game everytime he is on the field, cause he can score so many ways and whenever he touches the ball there is a chance at a TD.

That sounds good but I am not sold on Ginn. Only if we can trade down and Landry, Okoye, Adams, and Quinn are not available. Ginn has potential but as others have mentioned so did Donte Stallworth and Troy Williamson. While I do think Ginn can be better than both of these guys I am not sold.

miamiron
04-13-2007, 05:54 AM
Hmmm....Most every sports personality I heard said he could have gone back into the game, especially a National Championship. You take a shot, grit your teeth and get it done. He left his team out to dry in the single most improtant game of his college career! The guy lacks heart or integrity, do we really want some one who is missing either? Definitely not at 9, so dream on!

BTW the crutches were a cover.

GOOD POST REGARDING HIS HEART

miamiron
04-13-2007, 06:07 AM
ginn lovers...ONCE AND FOR ALL ANSWER MY QUESTION...PLEASE

Why in 3 years at Ohio did they throw to him ONLY 6 times in the red zone??

You think by him being such a weapon and like everyone says has the ability to score from anywhere on the field(except the red zone) that Ohio would have utilized him much more in the red zone but thats not the case...

Think about it HE WAS THROWN TO 6 TIMES IN 3 YEARS IN THE RED ZONE

If I have to answer my own question because no one seems to have an answer for me I would have to say that his route running abilities must be worst than imagined and his ability to get open in a confined 20 yard area
is non existant...plus they must have had NO confidence in him otherwise the numbers would have been very much different.

Even Ginn LOVERS have to take a step back and say HMMM this is a problem.

And he scored 5 tds a year as a wide receiver against college quality DBs
I find it hard to believe he will be much better against the likes of Champ Bailys of the NFL or other high quality DBs.

KR and PR is another story as he has the goods but to draft Ginn #9 or even in the first round as a glorified return man is absurd and everyone thinking that we should take him in the first round should be able to collect disability because of mental defects to your brain!!

Fin-omenal
04-13-2007, 07:12 AM
ginn lovers...ONCE AND FOR ALL ANSWER MY QUESTION...PLEASE

Why in 3 years at Ohio did they throw to him ONLY 6 times in the red zone??

You think by him being such a weapon and like everyone says has the ability to score from anywhere on the field(except the red zone) that Ohio would have utilized him much more in the red zone but thats not the case...

Think about it HE WAS THROWN TO 6 TIMES IN 3 YEARS IN THE RED ZONE

If I have to answer my own question because no one seems to have an answer for me I would have to say that his route running abilities must be worst than imagined and his ability to get open in a confined 20 yard area
is non existant...plus they must have had NO confidence in him otherwise the numbers would have been very much different.

Even Ginn LOVERS have to take a step back and say HMMM this is a problem.

And he scored 5 tds a year as a wide receiver against college quality DBs
I find it hard to believe he will be much better against the likes of Champ Bailys of the NFL or other high quality DBs.

KR and PR is another story as he has the goods but to draft Ginn #9 or even in the first round as a glorified return man is absurd and everyone thinking that we should take him in the first round should be able to collect disability because of mental defects to your brain!!

Sorry if I gotta believe an Nfl head coach and numerous scouts over your expert opinion...

Every player contributes with a certain role on his team, SO what if Ginn just dominatesnas a return man, and scares defense sh-tless for 80 yards?? We have a damn good Wr inside the 20(CC) and those are the difficult throws so those are the ones he catches....Booker struggled in the red zone also.

We havent had a gamebreaker on this team for as long as I acan remember, football is about creating matchups that work to your advantage, and with Ginn's deep threat capabilities he will RARELY be manned up w/o saftey help wich opens the doors for Chambers to get les attention, Booker to roam underneath and find holes in zones...

If you know little about X's and O's you would realize how difficult it would be to defend with 2 guys you cant leave one on one and a guy who's a specialist at finding holes in Zones...and for anyone who suggests a 2 deep zone m laughing at you because we have a budding star at RB who would then be busting 15-20 yard runs like crazy!!

NOW...for those of you that say teams will just blitz and give our QB no time to get the ball out there..well, yea we need a QB..but his name isnt Quinn.

Bottom line Ive heard some off the wall stuff about Ginn being a decent return man?? Only a special teamer?? Most people who's opinions matter the most disagree with you so I have no choice to also.

Motion
04-13-2007, 08:36 AM
I can think of quite a few guys I'd rather have at #9. Unless he has a better workout for us I just don't see the value at #9.

AZStryker
04-13-2007, 08:56 AM
Obviously you have never had a serious ankle sprain.

Oh ya I have! It hurts pretty bad. But to quote Herb Brooks, "The leg is a long way from the heart."

I don't know why were even wasting time on this. It's Quinn in round one anyway.

jlfin
04-13-2007, 09:16 AM
Everything he said is true, and I hated Ginn from the day that he choose OSU over Mich. But Ginn is an amazing talent on the field. And for who ever said u don't have to account for Ginn that it was Gonzalez please watch a few more games. And for that 40 time of around 4.4 Hurt or not that is still fast on a good track on a nice day. Most players would have just cancelled the workout cause of weather so that shows heart. He ran on a field that had snow ice ran and every other thing happen to it in the last week, come on people check the weather sometimes during the commercials. If jarret ran in those conditions what do think his time would have been maybe a 4.8 or so.

Bottom line, he is not worth the 9th pick in the draft. That's all I care about.
If we trade down past 15 or he's there with the 1st of our 2 2nd rounders I would take him.
That's really what the debate is about. Ginn supporters have been crying for us to take him at 9. That would be a mistake IMO.

Fin-omenal
04-13-2007, 08:47 PM
Bottom line, he is not worth the 9th pick in the draft. That's all I care about.
If we trade down past 15 or he's there with the 1st of our 2 2nd rounders I would take him.
That's really what the debate is about. Ginn supporters have been crying for us to take him at 9. That would be a mistake IMO.

um yea.he wont be there in the 2nd....:err:

finfan54
04-13-2007, 09:07 PM
ginn lovers...ONCE AND FOR ALL ANSWER MY QUESTION...PLEASE

Why in 3 years at Ohio did they throw to him ONLY 6 times in the red zone??

You think by him being such a weapon and like everyone says has the ability to score from anywhere on the field(except the red zone) that Ohio would have utilized him much more in the red zone but thats not the case...

Think about it HE WAS THROWN TO 6 TIMES IN 3 YEARS IN THE RED ZONE

If I have to answer my own question because no one seems to have an answer for me I would have to say that his route running abilities must be worst than imagined and his ability to get open in a confined 20 yard area
is non existant...plus they must have had NO confidence in him otherwise the numbers would have been very much different.

Even Ginn LOVERS have to take a step back and say HMMM this is a problem.

And he scored 5 tds a year as a wide receiver against college quality DBs
I find it hard to believe he will be much better against the likes of Champ Bailys of the NFL or other high quality DBs.

KR and PR is another story as he has the goods but to draft Ginn #9 or even in the first round as a glorified return man is absurd and everyone thinking that we should take him in the first round should be able to collect disability because of mental defects to your brain!!


The truth! they cant handle the truth!:goof:

In all honesty though, I have changed my mind on Ginn. His falling down five times in the rain pretty much seals the deal for me.

finfan54
04-13-2007, 09:15 PM
Lol that guys just a worthless troll.

Ankle sprains take time to recover, pure and simple. But the thing is that they are not repetitive injuries. And this was the ONLY injury Ginn had, so quit whining about durability and that crap.

The guy is an amazing talent, and based on raw athletic ability easily worth a top 10 pick. Based on the others in the draft, he wont go until at least the 7th spot, but hes every bit worthy of that spot and our 9.

And to all these crazy Ginn haters who blindly compare him to Dante Hall without ever actually watching him play, or just making a snap judgement because hes fast (like its a bad thing)-get real. Hes gonna be a beast in this league along the lines of Harrison or Steve Smith.

So much ignorance over him and quinn, its getting old really.

U ginn lovers make stuff up as you go. I haven heard much of anybody say anything about Dante Hall. Stallworth was mentioned on this thread. maybe thats what you mean.

But I have compared Ginn to Gonzalez. His fellow mate at OSU. The two are different beasts. Ginn lovers claim that Gonzalez was good only because Ginn was on the other side. I say so what, Gonzalez did everything else that Ginn couldnt. The end result was almost equal stats in the end.

I look at Ginn as a very fast WR who is great downfield (which is what we are looking for) and is a great returner. Everything else he is either average or you have to wonder. Especially falling down 5 times in the rain. Blame it on the injury all you want but that is my other problem with him. He is injured now for a long time and he is a light guy. NFL is a different level than college. What did he do in college that made you think he was better than the 10 other guys in this draft? If your talking returns and burnin down field, better. If your talking running routes or over the middle or as someon here correctly pointed out, in the red zone, not so good. Lets just temper the wedding to Ginn down a bit and look at other players with some objectivity please.

Fin-omenal
04-14-2007, 12:39 AM
U ginn lovers make stuff up as you go. I haven heard much of anybody say anything about Dante Hall. Stallworth was mentioned on this thread. maybe thats what you mean.

But I have compared Ginn to Gonzalez. His fellow mate at OSU. The two are different beasts. Ginn lovers claim that Gonzalez was good only because Ginn was on the other side. I say so what, Gonzalez did everything else that Ginn couldnt. The end result was almost equal stats in the end.

I look at Ginn as a very fast WR who is great downfield (which is what we are looking for) and is a great returner. Everything else he is either average or you have to wonder. Especially falling down 5 times in the rain. Blame it on the injury all you want but that is my other problem with him. He is injured now for a long time and he is a light guy. NFL is a different level than college. What did he do in college that made you think he was better than the 10 other guys in this draft? If your talking returns and burnin down field, better. If your talking running routes or over the middle or as someon here correctly pointed out, in the red zone, not so good. Lets just temper the wedding to Ginn down a bit and look at other players with some objectivity please.

Sounds like you hae Ginn more than "we" like him? Dante Hall?? He will be better than that?