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ohiobryan
04-13-2007, 10:29 PM
that's a message to the dolphins brass cam/randy this is your biggest test either grab the spotlight or get ready for a pink slip as soon as bill cowher's daughter graduates from school.....don't be like the past dolphin coaches who did nothing to improve at qb but trade draft picks after draft picks and never draft a kid out of college.....so even if it means trading up into the number 2 spot and make a trade with the lions who i believe want to unload the number 2 pick denver almost pulled it off in march but it fell through..a first round pick in 2008 will make it happen..but then again if raiders take johnson then are chances increase bigtime..where quinn could fall to skins at 6 we move up and it only costs according to the draft chart our 1st and 3rd round picks in 2007 and i'd throw in a late 2008 for good measure.bottomline even with lemon culpepper aboard green on his way this team needs a franchise QB that will lead us for 10-15 years.....and BRADY QUINN IS THAT GUY MAKE QUINN A FIN OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TRUEPHIN
04-13-2007, 10:48 PM
:sleep:

Ok, so we know you want Quinn. What's the deal with "or else", "pink slip" and "hell to pay" comments? I'm sure Cam & Randy care about what OhioBryan thinks. :rolleyes2 Besides, what other Dolphin coaches in say, the last 20 years have gotten the pink slip? Wanny was on his way but didn't. Shula? No. Johnson? No. Saban? No. Are you going to personally fire them? :shakeno:

Can you just state your opinions without all the extra nonsense?

OneHondo
04-13-2007, 11:11 PM
I want Quinn probably as much as anyone else on this site, but rational thinking must prevail here. We all know we need a QB but we can't sell the farm to get one. If Quinn gets within our reach where we can get him at a reasonable price thats great but we can't give up the draft for the sake of one position. Hopefully we have seen the last of that with this franchise. It seems like the Dolphins have given away enough draft picks to make up a whole team. Hopefully we get Quinn but if we don't I am sure Mueller and Cam will do something to address the situation.

bugs65
04-13-2007, 11:20 PM
Have you seen The Sporting News rating on Quinn. It is a third round pick. They compare him to Joey Harrington. Then they ask him who he is like and he says he has similarities to Tom Brady. He is a guy who scares me because if he is a bust even at pick nine it will take a while to recover.

xxAQUA JOSHUAxx
04-14-2007, 12:05 AM
if this guy is as good as he says and somewhat looks then we need to take the chance new england has tom brady without him they would be garbage all we need is a qb and a decent line too.

bugs65
04-14-2007, 12:45 AM
You are right about that. Everyone talks about Bellicheck being a genius but his genius (and the Dolphins shortcomings) are linked to one position. Bellicheck is a genius because of Brady and the Dolphins havent done much recently because their quarterbacks suck.

And Daunte is not the answer. Even when he was good he made too many mistakes.

bugs65
04-14-2007, 12:48 AM
And Quinn still scares me. I am suspicious when a guy makes the talk show rounds to promote himself. His agent is handling him well, I suppose but if he were good enough he wouldn't have to convince people.

dominizzo
04-14-2007, 12:55 AM
The Vikings will snatch him... watch

MexDolfan
04-14-2007, 01:02 AM
And Quinn still scares me. I am suspicious when a guy makes the talk show rounds to promote himself. His agent is handling him well, I suppose but if he were good enough he wouldn't have to convince people.
He he would, that's what actual style of draft obligates.

dominizzo
04-14-2007, 01:07 AM
IF The Browns and Lions dont bite to draft Quinn!!! Childress will drool and snatch him

bugs65
04-14-2007, 01:39 AM
He he would, that's what actual style of draft obligates.

You don't see Calvin Johnson, Jamarcus Russell, or Joe Thomas on every radio show possible. In fact I don't remember anyone in recent years who who has been on as many radio shows as Brady Quinn has recently.

Agent51
04-14-2007, 02:18 AM
I want Quinn probably as much as anyone else on this site, but rational thinking must prevail here. We all know we need a QB but we can't sell the farm to get one. If Quinn gets within our reach where we can get him at a reasonable price thats great but we can't give up the draft for the sake of one position. Hopefully we have seen the last of that with this franchise. It seems like the Dolphins have given away enough draft picks to make up a whole team. Hopefully we get Quinn but if we don't I am sure Mueller and Cam will do something to address the situation.

Spot on dude. I'd LOVE to get Quinn, friggin' LOVE it. I've never wanted this organization to draft a player MORE that I want them to draft Quinn. However, I do NOT want to go back to the old ways of giving up picks in future drafts and all that to do it, we just cant afford that anymore. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that one of two things happen:

1 - Quinn falls past Cleveland and puts us in prime position to move ahead of the Vikings and go to the #6 spot where Washington sits. As long he gets passed Cleveland he is as good as ours. Washington doesn't have another pick until round FIVE, so they obviously aren't going to turn down extra picks to stay at #6 when they could easily probably get whomever they are looking at 3 picks later with the #9. Even IF the Vikes want Quinn (I doubt they WANT him, but I don't doubt they'd TAKE him if he were there at #7) we can offer more to move up to #6 than they can. If they use the value chart they'd offer the #7 and something like a 4th and 6th since it is only 100 value difference, but we would offer the #9 and either our 3rd rounder or second 2nd rounder. I'm thinkin if you have no picks after the 1st round until the FIFTH round, you'd want another first day pick over another one or 2 second day picks.

2 - By some miracle we make a trade with the Lions that has us keeping all the 2008 draft picks and only giving up both 2nds (or a 2nd and 3rd) and Daunte. It seems far fetched, since the value doesn't add up on the chart, but it depends on how muc they value Daunte. I've seen crazier things, so while I am not even really considering this as a plausible option, I'm still gonna throw it out there as food for thought.


Have you seen The Sporting News rating on Quinn. It is a third round pick. They compare him to Joey Harrington. Then they ask him who he is like and he says he has similarities to Tom Brady. He is a guy who scares me because if he is a bust even at pick nine it will take a while to recover.

I HAVE seen the Sporting News, and a minute into reading it I realized it was absolute CRAP and tossed it out. Brady as a 3rd round QB but Russell and Kolb as first rounders and NOBODY worthy of a 2nd round choice?

Brady rated something like a 5.4 but Russell rated as a high 8.something if I remember correctly? They rated Russell higher than Marino, Elway, Montana, and Aikman (they had a feature awhile back where they rated HoF QBs). Tell me, do you think Russell is better than those four QBs, or even has the SLIGHTEST chance of making that true?

They also have Quinn dropping to #23 in the mock. Do you HONESTLY think we would pass on him at #9, let alone Jacksonville at #17, or even Green Bay at #16 since they don't seem very pleased with Aaron Rodgers. Also, Buffalo and St. Louis could even take a shot at him to compete with Losman and Bulger respectively. No way Quinn falls out of the top 10, let alone all the way to #23

Their mock also has us taking Paul Posluszny at #9 if I remember correctly, and that is way too high for him.

The entire guide is a joke, worst "Draft Guide" I have ever seen.


You are right about that. Everyone talks about Bellicheck being a genius but his genius (and the Dolphins shortcomings) are linked to one position. Bellicheck is a genius because of Brady and the Dolphins havent done much recently because their quarterbacks suck.

And Daunte is not the answer. Even when he was good he made too many mistakes.

This post contradicts your very next post that says Quinn still scares you. On one hand, you say Bellicheck isn't a genius it's all Tom Brady, yet the other hand you say you don't trust Quinn, when he was developed by the same guy who developed Brady, and can make every throw Brady can and has run every play Brady has, not to mention has watched ALL the footage on Brady and talked to him multiple times a week for 2 years. The kid is basically the next Tom Brady judging by his work ethic and preparation in addition to the offense he spent 2 years mastering and who taught it to him.

I agree that Bellick isn't the genius everyone thinks he is (hence him not going back to the Super Bowl after Weis and Crennel left) and he wouldn't have much of the success he is credited for if Tom Brady weren't there (god it KILLS me to admitt that), but that's as far as I go, because I see Quinn being a carbon copy of Brady. And before everyone jumps down my throat, I am NOT saying Quinn will be as good as or better than Tom Brady (although I think he has a great chance TO be), I am merely stating that he will have similar playing style and tendancies and work ethic to Tom Brady.

fishypete
04-14-2007, 02:35 AM
Spot on dude. I'd LOVE to get Quinn, friggin' LOVE it. I've never wanted this organization to draft a player MORE that I want them to draft Quinn. However, I do NOT want to go back to the old ways of giving up picks in future drafts and all that to do it, we just cant afford that anymore. Let's just keep our fingers crossed that one of two things happen:

1 - Quinn falls past Cleveland and puts us in prime position to move ahead of the Vikings and go to the #6 spot where Washington sits. As long he gets passed Cleveland he is as good as ours. Washington doesn't have another pick until round FIVE, so they obviously aren't going to turn down extra picks to stay at #6 when they could easily probably get whomever they are looking at 3 picks later with the #9. Even IF the Vikes want Quinn (I doubt they WANT him, but I don't doubt they'd TAKE him if he were there at #7) we can offer more to move up to #6 than they can. If they use the value chart they'd offer the #7 and something like a 4th and 6th since it is only 100 value difference, but we would offer the #9 and either our 3rd rounder or second 2nd rounder. I'm thinkin if you have no picks after the 1st round until the FIFTH round, you'd want another first day pick over another one or 2 second day picks.

2 - By some miracle we make a trade with the Lions that has us keeping all the 2008 draft picks and only giving up both 2nds (or a 2nd and 3rd) and Daunte. It seems far fetched, since the value doesn't add up on the chart, but it depends on how muc they value Daunte. I've seen crazier things, so while I am not even really considering this as a plausible option, I'm still gonna throw it out there as food for thought.



I HAVE seen the Sporting News, and a minute into reading it I realized it was absolute CRAP and tossed it out. Brady as a 3rd round QB but Russell and Kolb as first rounders and NOBODY worthy of a 2nd round choice?

Brady rated something like a 5.4 but Russell rated as a high 8.something if I remember correctly? They rated Russell higher than Marino, Elway, Montana, and Aikman (they had a feature awhile back where they rated HoF QBs). Tell me, do you think Russell is better than those four QBs, or even has the SLIGHTEST chance of making that true?

They also have Quinn dropping to #23 in the mock. Do you HONESTLY think we would pass on him at #9, let alone Jacksonville at #17, or even Green Bay at #16 since they don't seem very pleased with Aaron Rodgers. Also, Buffalo and St. Louis could even take a shot at him to compete with Losman and Bulger respectively. No way Quinn falls out of the top 10, let alone all the way to #23

Their mock also has us taking Paul Posluszny at #9 if I remember correctly, and that is way too high for him.

The entire guide is a joke, worst "Draft Guide" I have ever seen.



This post contradicts your very next post that says Quinn still scares you. On one hand, you say Bellicheck isn't a genius it's all Tom Brady, yet the other hand you say you don't trust Quinn, when he was developed by the same guy who developed Brady, and can make every throw Brady can and has run every play Brady has, not to mention has watched ALL the footage on Brady and talked to him multiple times a week for 2 years. The kid is basically the next Tom Brady judging by his work ethic and preparation in addition to the offense he spent 2 years mastering and who taught it to him.

I agree that Bellick isn't the genius everyone thinks he is (hence him not going back to the Super Bowl after Weis and Crennel left) and he wouldn't have much of the success he is credited for if Tom Brady weren't there (god it KILLS me to admitt that), but that's as far as I go, because I see Quinn being a carbon copy of Brady. And before everyone jumps down my throat, I am NOT saying Quinn will be as good as or better than Tom Brady (although I think he has a great chance TO be), I am merely stating that he will have similar playing style and tendancies and work ethic to Tom Brady.

The main problem is comparing Brady to Quinn just doesn't work....Brady was a rare case of teams missing the mark on him during the draft...him being a 6th round pick while Quinn isn't a unknown or a missed player...and which player would you rather have...Brady that won important games...or Quinn that didn't?

At one point, Brady hired a sports psychologist to help him cope with frustration and anxiety and even considered transferring, frustrated by what seemed like a lack of opportunity.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady#_note-3) Brady battled for the first string quarterback position with Drew Henson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Henson) and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyd_Carr). During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan's record for most completions in a season (214). [5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady#_note-4) He was All-Big Ten both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when Brady started and shared the Big Ten Conference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference) title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkansas_Razorbacks) in the Citrus Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_One_Bowl). In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Bowl_%28game%29) over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.

How do you miss a player like that?

Agent51
04-14-2007, 03:21 AM
The main problem is comparing Brady to Quinn just doesn't work....Brady was a rare case of teams missing the mark on him during the draft...him being a 6th round pick while Quinn isn't a unknown or a missed player...and which player would you rather have...Brady that won important games...or Quinn that didn't?


I'm comparing them in terms of NFL playing style, saying I think Quinn will play similar to Brady in the NFL. I'm not comparing their college careers or drafts or anything, just that they are similar players.

But again, QUINN didn't "not win" important games, his TEAM didn't. We have yet to see what Quinn can do with an NFL team around him. Brady had successful teams in Michigan and broke records, Quinn didn't, and broke records. I just see them as very similar players who have a completely different path getting into the NFL but will be very similar in it. I'm not saying Quinn will be as good as Bray, I'm not saying he WON'T be, I'm simply stating that I see their NFL playing styles being very similar, especially given Quinn was coached on college on the offense Weis taught Brady in the pros.

umpalu
04-14-2007, 04:58 AM
that's a message to the dolphins brass cam/randy this is your biggest test either grab the spotlight or get ready for a pink slip as soon as bill cowher's daughter graduates from school.....don't be like the past dolphin coaches who did nothing to improve at qb but trade draft picks after draft picks and never draft a kid out of college.....so even if it means trading up into the number 2 spot and make a trade with the lions who i believe want to unload the number 2 pick denver almost pulled it off in march but it fell through..a first round pick in 2008 will make it happen..but then again if raiders take johnson then are chances increase bigtime..where quinn could fall to skins at 6 we move up and it only costs according to the draft chart our 1st and 3rd round picks in 2007 and i'd throw in a late 2008 for good measure.bottomline even with lemon culpepper aboard green on his way this team needs a franchise QB that will lead us for 10-15 years.....and BRADY QUINN IS THAT GUY MAKE QUINN A FIN OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


dude you posted this same thing like a day ago, we understand

Elliott 1
04-14-2007, 07:32 AM
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
to quinn

LarryFinFan
04-14-2007, 07:44 AM
that's a message to the dolphins brass cam/randy this is your biggest test either grab the spotlight or get ready for a pink slip as soon as bill cowher's daughter graduates from school.....don't be like the past dolphin coaches who did nothing to improve at qb but trade draft picks after draft picks and never draft a kid out of college.....so even if it means trading up into the number 2 spot and make a trade with the lions who i believe want to unload the number 2 pick denver almost pulled it off in march but it fell through..a first round pick in 2008 will make it happen..but then again if raiders take johnson then are chances increase bigtime..where quinn could fall to skins at 6 we move up and it only costs according to the draft chart our 1st and 3rd round picks in 2007 and i'd throw in a late 2008 for good measure.bottomline even with lemon culpepper aboard green on his way this team needs a franchise QB that will lead us for 10-15 years.....and BRADY QUINN IS THAT GUY MAKE QUINN A FIN OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dear Randy,

Please don't pay attention to off-the-wall posts on this fan forum. Ohio and many other posters are strong-minded true fans, but sometimes we all go a little overboard. Most of us know that it takes some time for a draft class to pan out. Most of us know that even if you get Quinn, he may not work out. Most of us know that even if you wanted to trade up to get Quinn, that Washington or whoever the partner is might want too much in return and most of us do understand that.

We, as fans, have one request from you....make this draft class affect the team in a positive way this coming year and years to come. If that means Quinn, fine. If it means Landry, that's fine too. If is means trade down for more picks and more holes filled and more depth...that's fine too. As you know better than we, we have many holes and much depth to acquire to make this team truly better. If that means Quinn..well I'll be very excited and ready for the season to start now. If it doesn't mean Quinn, I will still be very excited and ready for the season to start as well. The bottom line is to do right by the organization so that we can begin to reverse this downward spiral we've been in since Don Shula left.

Thank you,

The Fans...

SgtPhin
04-14-2007, 08:21 AM
Spot on, Larry. The best, most logical post I've seen in a while.

Phinzone
04-14-2007, 08:25 AM
Have you seen The Sporting News rating on Quinn. It is a third round pick. They compare him to Joey Harrington. Then they ask him who he is like and he says he has similarities to Tom Brady. He is a guy who scares me because if he is a bust even at pick nine it will take a while to recover.

Not that i want to squat on the Sporting News or anything.......(I would rather use it to wipe) but they also called Rivers a 3rd round pick...I had him rated as a top 13 pick........I rate Quinn higher than Rivers, and 90% of scouts think he's a VERY well prepared QB.

Who do you see as the future for this franchise?

Panamafinfan
04-14-2007, 09:37 AM
The Vikings will snatch him... watch

I really think the Browns will take him.

ohiobryan
04-14-2007, 02:10 PM
no the browns will take peterson!

bugs65
04-14-2007, 08:22 PM
Not that i want to squat on the Sporting News or anything.......(I would rather use it to wipe) but they also called Rivers a 3rd round pick...I had him rated as a top 13 pick........I rate Quinn higher than Rivers, and 90% of scouts think he's a VERY well prepared QB.

Who do you see as the future for this franchise?

I don't know. What I think is that the intangibles at quarterback position are difficult to measure. You have to look at things like does a player make the rest of the team better and does he win tough games. This draft group doesn't have anyone that looks much better than average to me so I think I would concentrate on the offensive line and pick up a quarterback in the second or third round. If Randy and Cam are sold on Quinn (or anyone else) as a franchise quarterback they should do anything they can to pick him but I am just not sold on Quinn.

dan the fin
04-14-2007, 10:21 PM
that's a message to the dolphins brass cam/randy this is your biggest test either grab the spotlight or get ready for a pink slip as soon as bill cowher's daughter graduates from school.....don't be like the past dolphin coaches who did nothing to improve at qb but trade draft picks after draft picks and never draft a kid out of college.....so even if it means trading up into the number 2 spot and make a trade with the lions who i believe want to unload the number 2 pick denver almost pulled it off in march but it fell through..a first round pick in 2008 will make it happen..but then again if raiders take johnson then are chances increase bigtime..where quinn could fall to skins at 6 we move up and it only costs according to the draft chart our 1st and 3rd round picks in 2007 and i'd throw in a late 2008 for good measure.bottomline even with lemon culpepper aboard green on his way this team needs a franchise QB that will lead us for 10-15 years.....and BRADY QUINN IS THAT GUY MAKE QUINN A FIN OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do have to start a new tread every other day saying we must draft BQ. We know u want him, what do u do just keep looking till ur thread is off the front page then make a new one? Sorry by calling u out and I normally think that if u don't like don't read it but man reall how many threads is this now?

finfan54
04-14-2007, 10:26 PM
no the browns will take peterson!


If the Raiders take Calvin Johnson, it could be Jemarcus Russell.

finfan54
04-14-2007, 10:28 PM
Do have to start a new tread every other day saying we must draft BQ. We know u want him, what do u do just keep looking till ur thread is off the front page then make a new one? Sorry by calling u out and I normally think that if u don't like don't read it but man reall how many threads is this now?


danny boy danny boy danny boy.........oh sorry wrong thread....good point though.:D

bugs65
04-14-2007, 10:34 PM
Our problem is that we need the two football positions that can least be measured by college statistics. QB and LT. How many first round QB busts have there been. Especially coming from big name schools with a successful season. And how many first round tackles dont have the toughness or desire to play in the NFL and then you find a monster in the fifth round who anchors a line for ten years.

phinphanforever
04-14-2007, 11:35 PM
Have you seen The Sporting News rating on Quinn. It is a third round pick. They compare him to Joey Harrington. Then they ask him who he is like and he says he has similarities to Tom Brady. He is a guy who scares me because if he is a bust even at pick nine it will take a while to recover.
Good point. I'll concede to Quinn's supporters that he is very "media polished". He says all the right things (most of the time) and is very camera friendly-Note: I personally find him to be a boring, if not disingenuous, inteview replete with tired cliches and hackneyed responses. But there are many, especially media folk, who just eat it up. They love the story line, and going to Notre Dame just adds to the drama.
In my opinion, Quinn is a marginal first rounder. I have a feeling that it is possible he will slide in the draft a la Aaron Rodgers. Then again, you can never be too surprised on draft day, remember there are the Matt Millens of the world, who never seem to get it right.
If Quinn does get drafted in the top 10, then I think some team -I pray not the Dolphins- will, in my opinion, be carrying an albatross for some time.
Overhyped QBs that are drafted early can set a franchise back years, sometimes up to 5-6 years.

dahlmarino
04-14-2007, 11:54 PM
that's a message to the dolphins brass cam/randy this is your biggest test either grab the spotlight or get ready for a pink slip as soon as bill cowher's daughter graduates from school.....don't be like the past dolphin coaches who did nothing to improve at qb but trade draft picks after draft picks and never draft a kid out of college.....so even if it means trading up into the number 2 spot and make a trade with the lions who i believe want to unload the number 2 pick denver almost pulled it off in march but it fell through..a first round pick in 2008 will make it happen..but then again if raiders take johnson then are chances increase bigtime..where quinn could fall to skins at 6 we move up and it only costs according to the draft chart our 1st and 3rd round picks in 2007 and i'd throw in a late 2008 for good measure.bottomline even with lemon culpepper aboard green on his way this team needs a franchise QB that will lead us for 10-15 years.....and BRADY QUINN IS THAT GUY MAKE QUINN A FIN OR THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We know! This is like the 4th time you've started this exact same thread! Feel free to either bring something new to the table or shut up!

(Oh, and as a side note, you do know that even if Cam and Mueller did read these threads, they wouldn't give a rat's tail about your opinion regardless of how many empty threats you threw out there, right?)

phinphanforever
04-14-2007, 11:57 PM
Brady rated something like a 5.4 but Russell rated as a high 8.something if I remember correctly? They rated Russell higher than Marino, Elway, Montana, and Aikman (they had a feature awhile back where they rated HoF QBs). Tell me, do you think Russell is better than those four QBs, or even has the SLIGHTEST chance of making that true?

They also have Quinn dropping to #23 in the mock. Do you HONESTLY think we would pass on him at #9, let alone Jacksonville at #17, or even Green Bay at #16 since they don't seem very pleased with Aaron Rodgers. Also, Buffalo and St. Louis could even take a shot at him to compete with Losman and Bulger respectively. No way Quinn falls out of the top 10, let alone all the way to #23



First, on Russell: I'm not suggesting that he will be better than the four Qbs you mentioned, but many are saying that Russell has the best arm they have ever seen. I'm not prepared to go that far, but anybody who knows anything about football can see that the kid has an unbelievable arm: Note: Unlike Quinn, who's arm is nothing special. So, to answer your question, I don' think it is totally unreasonable to think Russell could have a very successful career in the NFL.
Second, it's interesting that you mentioned Rodgers. Like Rodgers, I think there is a chance Quinn could slide in the draft. The more I see of Quinn, the more I think he's not as advertised.

Agent51
04-15-2007, 03:58 AM
First, on Russell: I'm not suggesting that he will be better than the four Qbs you mentioned, but many are saying that Russell has the best arm they have ever seen. I'm not prepared to go that far, but anybody who knows anything about football can see that the kid has an unbelievable arm: Note: Unlike Quinn, who's arm is nothing special. So, to answer your question, I don' think it is totally unreasonable to think Russell could have a very successful career in the NFL.
Second, it's interesting that you mentioned Rodgers. Like Rodgers, I think there is a chance Quinn could slide in the draft. The more I see of Quinn, the more I think he's not as advertised.

Russell having a cannon arm does NOT mean he will be a great player. I will take a "thinking man's QB" over a gunslinger any day without blinking an eye. So the guy ha a huge arm, I'm not doubting that, but without the brains to go with it and break down NFL defenses to get that ball into the right place at the right time, it will mean nothing except NFL DBs will get a chance to return INTs for more yardage since they will intercept them way downfield.

Tom Brady doesn't have a rocket arm, and I don't really consider Peyton Manning's arm a cannon, yet they are the two top QBs in the NFL, while guys WITH big arms, like Culpepper and McNabb (who also had the "best arm anybody has ever seen" when they came out) are just average guys IMO. They may have shown flashes at some points in their careers, but they have never been consistant high performers like Brady and Manning.

I also think Russell, if he goes to Oakland, will appear to be a much better player than he really is, as he will be throwing to Randy Moss, who is the perfect fit for him. Randy is a cherry-picking WR who only runs the out routes so he gets his big yards and highlight catches and TDs and padded stats, and Russell only throws bombs, so that connection is a match made in heaven for both of them, and I see them "WOWing" people with their stats and making people think Russell is better than he really is, because if you take Moss away and he doesn't have another deep threat and is forced to check down to his 2nd and 3rd reads over the middle and inside the hashes, he will struggle and be exposed.

phinphanforever
04-15-2007, 11:26 AM
Russell having a cannon arm does NOT mean he will be a great player. I will take a "thinking man's QB" over a gunslinger any day without blinking an eye. So the guy ha a huge arm, I'm not doubting that, but without the brains to go with it and break down NFL defenses to get that ball into the right place at the right time, it will mean nothing except NFL DBs will get a chance to return INTs for more yardage since they will intercept them way downfield.

Tom Brady doesn't have a rocket arm, and I don't really consider Peyton Manning's arm a cannon, yet they are the two top QBs in the NFL, while guys WITH big arms, like Culpepper and McNabb (who also had the "best arm anybody has ever seen" when they came out) are just average guys IMO. They may have shown flashes at some points in their careers, but they have never been consistant high performers like Brady and Manning.

I also think Russell, if he goes to Oakland, will appear to be a much better player than he really is, as he will be throwing to Randy Moss, who is the perfect fit for him. Randy is a cherry-picking WR who only runs the out routes so he gets his big yards and highlight catches and TDs and padded stats, and Russell only throws bombs, so that connection is a match made in heaven for both of them, and I see them "WOWing" people with their stats and making people think Russell is better than he really is, because if you take Moss away and he doesn't have another deep threat and is forced to check down to his 2nd and 3rd reads over the middle and inside the hashes, he will struggle and be exposed.
While I agree that a cannon arm doesnn guarantee success, I think you are missing my point (as well as making some that don't make much sense). First, Russell's arm is not just great, it quite possibly could be the best ever. http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:mhWVEUDJ7KYJ:www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi%3Ff%3D/c/a/2007/04/01/SPGS3OUR0H11.DTL+Jamarcus+Russell+scout&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=ca

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You mentioned that the same things were said about McNabb but whoever said that about McNabb didn't know football. McNabb was touted for his athleticism more than his arm.
Second, one of the myths of this draft is that Quinn's offense was more complicated than Russell's. Wrong.
I am not suggesting that Russell is guaranteed success in the nFl but I do think that is cjhances are much better than Quinn's.