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PerfectFinz72
04-14-2007, 10:32 AM
Not sure if this was re-aired or not...but I just watched it. Kiper thought we would go defense in the 1st round with Amobi Okoye. Am I the only one that would be ticked off if we went defense? We did next to nothing to address the offense in the off-season so I dont see why with the draft being filled with good offensive players we'd go defense. Anyone else feel this way?

dolpns13
04-14-2007, 10:37 AM
Not sure if this was re-aired or not...but I just watched it. Kiper thought we would go defense in the 1st round with Amobi Okoye. Am I the only one that would be ticked off if we went defense? We did next to nothing to address the offense in the off-season so I dont see why with the draft being filled with good offensive players we'd go defense. Anyone else feel this way?

I agree, I dont understand why everyone also wants us to draft Okoye, or Landry when its a glaring need that we need offense over defense. Right now as it stands we have a top 5 defense. So say we do what some say and draft Landry or Okoye, then that pushes our defense to what, 2 or 3 maybe. And again we have an offense that can't move the ball or may be able to move it a little better than last year, then those same people will be crying and saying how bad our offense sucks...

We need o-line and qb far more than any position on the defense...Like Cam says, you can not win if you can not score points

FinsAreLife
04-14-2007, 10:43 AM
If we went with Okoye I wouldnt be real upset, he looks like he oculd be a great player. The thing is, we need to address offense first, either OL, WR or QB. If we dont pick one of those with the first rounder i will be upset because thats what we need most. We can get defense in round 2 or 3 possibly.

Phineas64
04-14-2007, 10:44 AM
No matter how good our defense is, we could still improve the secondary with Landry, and we have question marks at DL, no proven depth there, although I feel pretty good that at least one or two of our young linemen will step up and prove they can play, esp. Rod Wright. I guess Kiper is going with the BPA theory, and doesn't think we should reach for an offensive player that doesn't really warrant being drafted in the 9 slot.
I think we could make a larger impact going offense though, since we have many more needs there. To me, the best way to address both lines of thought is to trade down a few slots, get the offensive guy Cam wants at a reasonable price, and gain a pick or two in the process. All we need is a trade partner. Maybe some particularly generous GM can help us out on that one. Someone who drives a hard bargain in the same way Spielman does. :evil:

pfcomics
04-14-2007, 11:00 AM
Two things:

1. Kiper, like most professionals, doesn't want to speculate on any trading scenarios because there are so many factors coming into play as far as who gets drafted first, who we would trade with along with who would be available at that particular point... I think he is just thinking in terms of best available player at #9 which, I might add, if Landry were available at that point then I would wholeheartedly agree with the notion of drafting him if we were not targeting Quinn and/or he simply wasnt avaible at that point.

2. This draft has what appears to be an amazing amount of depth for the oline this year. I reall think Houck and Cameron are drooling at the notion that they will be able to solidfy our oline with midround picks and less money upfront then what would be required in a normal draft.

...just my two cents...

-Andrew @ Pulp Fiction

HenneGivenSunday
04-14-2007, 11:02 AM
any indication of going D is smokescreen!

Brown42000
04-14-2007, 11:08 AM
If a quarterback isn't there at 9 I want Miami to go for defense and Amobi Okoye would be a great pick and there will be good receivers and linemen still available in the 2nd round for Miami to pick.

rev kev
04-14-2007, 11:27 AM
Two things:

1. Kiper, like most professionals, doesn't want to speculate on any trading scenarios because there are so many factors coming into play as far as who gets drafted first, who we would trade with along with who would be available at that particular point... I think he is just thinking in terms of best available player at #9 which, I might add, if Landry were available at that point then I would wholeheartedly agree with the notion of drafting him if we were not targeting Quinn and/or he simply wasnt avaible at that point.

2. This draft has what appears to be an amazing amount of depth for the oline this year. I reall think Houck and Cameron are drooling at the notion that they will be able to solidfy our oline with midround picks and less money upfront then what would be required in a normal draft.

...just my two cents...

-Andrew @ Pulp Fiction Totally mid rounds o-line, I like okoye here...

ganew57
04-14-2007, 12:38 PM
I would say just don't "reach" for anyone. As of right now the Dolphins need good players on either side of the ball. I think the highest rated player on Mueller draft board would be the way to go.

TotoreMexico
04-14-2007, 12:42 PM
I'd be mad if we reach for need

Findawg
04-14-2007, 12:52 PM
I'm 100% on the Brady Quinn band wagon...but I wouldn't be upset if we got Okeye (my personal favorite player on defense) thats of course if we don't have a legit shot at Quinn.

We'd still be able to get a solid WR prospect as well as a QB (Stanton,Edwards, Kolb) in the second, to sit behind T. Green for a year.

Although I'm hoping for Quinn I wouldn't be to upset with Okeye.

Dredd1050
04-14-2007, 12:55 PM
I'd be happy with him or Branch.

NE DOLFAN
04-14-2007, 12:56 PM
The way Okoye's stock has been rising lately, he may be gone before #9.

If Quinn is not available at #9, I'm okay with taking the BPA approach. Mueller has done his homework. If he feels Levi Brown or Ginn project to be average NFL players, but Landry or Willis grade out as future pro bowlers, then I say take the BPA. Then we can possibly use our next few picks on offensive players that best fit Cameron's system. I wish the draft would hurry up and get here.

jlfin
04-14-2007, 01:14 PM
Not sure if this was re-aired or not...but I just watched it. Kiper thought we would go defense in the 1st round with Amobi Okoye. Am I the only one that would be ticked off if we went defense? We did next to nothing to address the offense in the off-season so I dont see why with the draft being filled with good offensive players we'd go defense. Anyone else feel this way?


BPA, BPA, BPA. When you reach for a player you have a greater chance of failure. Remember Billy Milner? How about Lorenzo Hampton? Ultimately, you want to draft the player that you think has the best value for the money you will be spending.

djphinfan
04-14-2007, 01:21 PM
one of these offensive players will be available to us,jarmarcus,joe thomas,levi,and ginn.we will select one of these four. I say for the hundreth time were going to take ginn

Dredd1050
04-14-2007, 01:34 PM
one of these offensive players will be available to us,jarmarcus,joe thomas,levi,and ginn.we will select one of these four. I say for the hundreth time were going to take ginn

For the love of all things big and small...I hope you're wrong.

MiaDolph99
04-14-2007, 01:36 PM
Not sure if this was re-aired or not...but I just watched it. Kiper thought we would go defense in the 1st round with Amobi Okoye. Am I the only one that would be ticked off if we went defense? We did next to nothing to address the offense in the off-season so I dont see why with the draft being filled with good offensive players we'd go defense. Anyone else feel this way?


Okoye would be around for the next 17 years if we drafted him. He's only 20, Keith Traylor and Vonnie Holliday are only a couple of years away from retiring plus Okoye has the versatility to play DE too. Not to mention Offense is a deeper position in this years draft than Defense which is why all the Defensive players are going in the 1st round. Miami will snag and OLineman and Drew Stanton in the 2nd round and Aundre Allison in the 3rd so there's no need to worry with the Offensive side of the ball.

eomdtbtr
04-14-2007, 02:02 PM
I we go D in the first I'll be pissed.

JGray
04-14-2007, 02:15 PM
Okoye cannot help right away. He would be a back up. It would be nice for the 9 pick to help right away. Especially since everyone criticized the JAllen pick.

Frayser
04-14-2007, 02:23 PM
At this point, I think we wait to see if Quinn is there. If he's not, we try to trade down with someone like Pittsburgh (who might want to jump ahead of Houston for Levi Brown) and then draft Staley or Ginn Jr. If Brady is gone and we cannot secure a trade down, then I think we have to seriously consider Okoye or Branch. NT is one of the most important positions on our team. If Traylor were to go down, it remains to be seen whether our defense could be nearly as effective. I like our young DTs, but the jury is still out on whether they can anchor the line or not. While Branch has the work ethic issue, his size makes him a force no matter what. Okoye is a work in progress, but I think it would be possible to have him add about 15 lbs and develop into our version of Vince Wilfork. Plus, his youth makes him an even more valuable long term prospect than most guys in the draft.

RonnieBrownTown
04-14-2007, 02:37 PM
I dont think we should go defense but if we get Amobi Okoye I would not be upset

salmael
04-14-2007, 04:46 PM
While I feel we have bigger holes on Offense, if at Pick 9 we left a clear top tier Defensive prospect like Okoye or Landry on the board, to draft an offensive player with question marks such as Ted Ginn Jr(or even Brown since many believe we are not high on him), I would certainly be concerned/pissed. Especially after we left so much talent on the board last year to draft Allen.

Conversely I would have no issue if we chose to trade down to acquire more picks and we drafted Ginn later in the first round. But I would rather grab Staley in the first if that happened(but that is a personal preference).

Really I just want us to take the highest rated guy on our board at the time we draft whether we stay at pick 9, trade up or trade down. That said if the prospects left when we pick are very close on our board I hope we address offense first.