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Phinzone
04-14-2007, 05:21 PM
I know it's an off chance, but if Peterson slips (meaning Quinn goes to Cleveland) what about snagging him?

I LOVE Ronnie, i really do, I feel that he is very SOLID. But he hasn't had that "special spark" that I feel we needed with that high of a pick. What about taking Peterson (which means investing a lot of money in the RB position i know) and rotatin ghim and Ronnie for a year. Gives us a year to see if Peterson can carry the load and stay healthy (and ronnie for that matter) and wiht them having a 1-2 punch, they SHOULD both produce (like the R&R express) and keep Defenses on balance, and we should be able to trade one away for a tidy profit next year...

Any takers? It's more likely that we would trade down....but it would be a blast havin these 2 in teh backfield....

showstopper
04-14-2007, 05:30 PM
Vikings would grab him. They like Peterson more than Quinn.

bluegrassbubba
04-14-2007, 05:30 PM
I know it's an off chance, but if Peterson slips (meaning Quinn goes to Cleveland) what about snagging him?

I LOVE Ronnie, i really do, I feel that he is very SOLID. But he hasn't had that "special spark" that I feel we needed with that high of a pick. What about taking Peterson (which means investing a lot of money in the RB position i know) and rotatin ghim and Ronnie for a year. Gives us a year to see if Peterson can carry the load and stay healthy (and ronnie for that matter) and wiht them having a 1-2 punch, they SHOULD both produce (like the R&R express) and keep Defenses on balance, and we should be able to trade one away for a tidy profit next year...

Any takers? It's more likely that we would trade down....but it would be a blast havin these 2 in teh backfield....

I agree with you if Ricky doesn't play for us next year, but if Ricky does stay, I don't think this is a good idea, we need too many other areas covered. Esp. OL.

FinfanNVa72
04-14-2007, 05:32 PM
If Peterson Is There At 9 Then I Would Look For The Best Trade Offer And There Would Be And Take It.packers Would Really Like Him.

eomdtbtr
04-14-2007, 05:33 PM
I agree with you if Ricky doesn't play for us next year, but if Ricky does stay, I don't think this is a good idea, we need too many other areas covered. Esp. OL.

yeah that.

Batman13
04-14-2007, 05:41 PM
If that happens, we will be trading with Houston, GB, or possibly Buffalo (I doubt that one though). If it's with Houston, I'd say we'll probably get another 3rd, any others and it will be at least a second. My guess is GB, And if he gets past Cleveland I'd say there's a 1 in 3 chance that Minnesota or Atlanta doesn't draft him.

tay0365
04-14-2007, 05:43 PM
I know it's an off chance, but if Peterson slips (meaning Quinn goes to Cleveland) what about snagging him?

I LOVE Ronnie, i really do, I feel that he is very SOLID. But he hasn't had that "special spark" that I feel we needed with that high of a pick. What about taking Peterson (which means investing a lot of money in the RB position i know) and rotatin ghim and Ronnie for a year. Gives us a year to see if Peterson can carry the load and stay healthy (and ronnie for that matter) and wiht them having a 1-2 punch, they SHOULD both produce (like the R&R express) and keep Defenses on balance, and we should be able to trade one away for a tidy profit next year...

Any takers? It's more likely that we would trade down....but it would be a blast havin these 2 in teh backfield....


If Peterson slides, then there should be a whole lot of teams knocking and willing to trade up with Miami. :)

We on the other hand do not need him, nor should we even consider taking him.

Ronnie will eventually be one of the elite Backs in the NFL, has averaged 4.2 yards a carry while Miami has been trying to find themselves on Offense with different QBs and Coordinators, and Peterson will be coming into the NFL with a minor dark cloud of maybe having injury problems.

CC Coach
04-14-2007, 05:47 PM
If I were GM and could draft Peterson, I would trade Ronnie Brown to Green Bay.
My draft would be #9-Peterson, #15- Joe Staley, #40- Kolb.

JT#1
04-14-2007, 06:01 PM
If I were GM and could draft Peterson, I would trade Ronnie Brown to Green Bay.
My draft would be #9-Peterson, #15- Joe Staley, #40- Kolb.

Ronnie is not getting a 1st round pick from anyone, outside of Mia most people don't think hes all that good

Batman13
04-14-2007, 06:07 PM
Ronnie is not getting a 1st round pick from anyone, outside of Mia most people don't think hes all that good Yeah, no offense, but I really doubt that most of the league would not trade a high pick for Ronnie Brown. His all around talent is as good as anyone that doesn't have the initials L.T.

cnc66
04-14-2007, 06:12 PM
I also think we would see some trade offers, not because we could bluff anyone, but because we WOULD entertain the offers.. that being said, Minny grabs him first..

SoDakDolfan
04-14-2007, 06:54 PM
No way I think he slides, but since the original question was "if he slides what do we do?" I say entertain all trade offers and take the one best for us- no matter who it comes from.

Mr.Majestik
04-14-2007, 11:32 PM
Take Adrian Peterson with the ninth pick? Why? What possible justification could there exist for such a move? Assuming we had no running back and hadn't spent the #2 overall pick on one two years ago, franchise running backs are a dime a dozen, you can get them in virtually any round. And just what is the obsession some have for Adrian Peterson? He's a very good prospect with injury concerns, but he's no better a prospect then 20-other guys that have entered the league in the last 10-years. He's not going to save a franchise. He's compared to Eric Dickerson, oh, like Jamal Lewis was compared to Eric Dickerson, or Ricky Williams was compared to Earl Campbell, or most laughable of all, Reggie Bush was compared to Gale Sayers. No running back is a franchise savior.

Is Adrian Peterson better then Ronnie Brown? I highly doubt it. Brown takes some abuse for a guy that has averaged 4.2 ypc in his short career running behind one of the league's worst offensive lines, with one of the league's worst quarterback situations. His yards per reception average is the same as Reggie Bush's, while his rushing average is more than half a yard better. LaDainian Tomlinson has twice averaged less then 4 yards a carry for a season, in his career, but he's undoubtedly the best back out there (with the best offensive line, and two of the best quarterbacks in the last five-years, and the best TE, etc). The great L.T. averaged an embarrassing 3.6 ypc his rookie season. His two-year average to start his career was 4.1, compared to Ronnie's 4.3. So before you say things like most of the league realizes "he ain't that good", or Adrian Peterson is a messiah in cleats, think harder.

thecoordinator
04-14-2007, 11:48 PM
great call bro. we could snag peterson at 9, pittman and irons in the 2nd, booker in the 3rd, and address our real needs on day 2 with our late round picks.

allred65
04-15-2007, 12:31 AM
Ronnie is not getting a 1st round pick from anyone, outside of Mia most people don't think hes all that good

I seem to remember the head coach of the Patriots raving about him. But what does he know.
:rolleyes2

Blitz
04-15-2007, 01:08 AM
If Quinn is off the board but Peterson slips, I'd trade down with the Packers or Giants, two teams that would probably be willing to move up to snag their RB of the future. I'd proceed to draft Joe Staley or the BPA with our 1st round pick.

Blitz
04-15-2007, 01:10 AM
No way I think he slides, but since the original question was "if he slides what do we do?" I say entertain all trade offers and take the one best for us- no matter who it comes from.

I agree with trading down, but under no circumstances would I make the trade with Buffalo...

Elliott 1
04-15-2007, 07:17 AM
And what if we have already traded Ricky Williams?

Then what?

dolphan78
04-15-2007, 09:52 AM
This is the best player available in the entire draft. A home run hitter!!! Forget that we have Ronnie Brown, we need talent on this team. Mueller has done it before at New Orleans. If he is available we should pick hin up....

The Trucker
04-15-2007, 10:01 AM
It doesn't matter who our RB is with our Oline the way it is.

MexDolfan
04-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Another AP thread??
We all know he'll be gone by #9!!!
If somehow he slides into that spot, we'll pick him and become a three motors running unit. No matter who throws the ball, with those runners no defense can't support it, just use the rest of the draft to fortify defense and o-line.

MexDolfan
04-15-2007, 10:07 AM
I'm too scared about the actual status of our QB and o-line.
No matter who throws or runs, without o-line, no offensive plan can execute.
So my last post was a little sarcastic and desperate.

CC Coach
04-15-2007, 10:11 AM
Jon Gruden said he is the best RB in the draft since LT.
He is better than Ronnie Brown. Fact.
A RB is always more valuable than a WR. Calvin Johnson may get the hype, but Peterson has a chance to be the biggest impact player of all.
If the Browns select Quinn over Peterson then they are nuts.

Ohio Fanatic
04-15-2007, 10:17 AM
This is the best player available in the entire draft. A home run hitter!!! Forget that we have Ronnie Brown, we need talent on this team. Mueller has done it before at New Orleans. If he is available we should pick hin up....

Hmm, draft AP while we have Ronnie, Ricky, a piss-poor OL and no good QB.

Great idea:shakeno:

If you had said draft and trade I might have actually respected this post.

Seminole51
04-15-2007, 10:22 AM
1) He wont be there

2) Stop hating on Ronnie Brown -- Why do people kill him?? If he hadnt gotten hurt last year he would have had in the range of 1300 yards.

3)Take Lorenzo Booker in the 3rd. KR and PR specialist... and also replaces Morris and Minor on special teams.

dolpns13
04-15-2007, 10:37 AM
Hmm, draft AP while we have Ronnie, Ricky, a piss-poor OL and no good QB.

Great idea:shakeno:

If you had said draft and trade I might have actually respected this post.

Exactly...its funny how some of the people on this board only have half a brain...So we spend a 1st rounder on a guy who will be the 3rd RB on the roster behind Brown and Williams...And give him a 10 million signing bonus..And even if he starts and rushes foir 500 yards the same poeple who are saying draft him will be pissed that we didnt go oline and then blame the running back....real bright

dolpns13
04-15-2007, 10:40 AM
Jon Gruden said he is the best RB in the draft since LT.
He is better than Ronnie Brown. Fact.
A RB is always more valuable than a WR. Calvin Johnson may get the hype, but Peterson has a chance to be the biggest impact player of all.
If the Browns select Quinn over Peterson then they are nuts.

And jon gruden is such a great coach...thats why they havent done really anything since the superbowl run...If gruden is high on him why does he have a WR and OL rated much higher on his draft boards...Is it a fact he is better than Ronnie? Ill tell you whats more of a fact than him being better than Ronnie is that he is 100% more likely to get injured and miss the year with his injuries than Ronnie is

Crowder52
04-15-2007, 10:54 AM
Jon Gruden said he is the best RB in the draft since LT.
He is better than Ronnie Brown. Fact.
A RB is always more valuable than a WR. Calvin Johnson may get the hype, but Peterson has a chance to be the biggest impact player of all.
If the Browns select Quinn over Peterson then they are nuts.

Get a clue CC. Gruden wants everyone to think that because if they stay at 4 and Calvin Johnson is gone, they may want to trade out. AP would be one of the few players worth moving up for this year, and Gruden is just fueling the fire.

taylormvp99
04-15-2007, 10:58 AM
If Miami, with all the holes they have on this team, takes Adrian Peterson in the 1st round, I am all done. I don't care that he is the BPA. They need basically every other position over a RB early in this draft.

NE DOLFAN
04-15-2007, 11:14 AM
I know running back is not a position of need for us. But from what I'm gathering Peterson and Calvin Johnson are the two best players in this draft. If Peterson is the best running back to come along since LT, and he slips to #9, you have to think about all options. I'm not saying we should draft him, but when I look at his upside it makes me wonder about the possibilities.

But I guess it wouldn't make sense because we would have too much money allocated toward the running back position, and it might be too difficult to trade Ricky or Ronnie. I don't think it will happen. Just food for thought.

NYPhinFan
04-15-2007, 11:17 AM
Who gave this thread 4 stars????????:confused:

pigskinguy
04-15-2007, 11:31 AM
The Phins won't draft him....guaranteed. What they will do if AP is there at 9 (which is even more unlikely than Quinn being there at 9, IMO) is take the best deal to move down and get more picks....Green Bay anyone?

dolpns13
04-15-2007, 12:03 PM
Who gave this thread 4 stars????????:confused:

I dont know but this thread sucks..I dont know why people have to post the least probable senarios..Its like they dont even know who the Fins are

Mr.Majestik
04-15-2007, 02:50 PM
Jon Gruden said he is the best RB in the draft since LT.
He is better than Ronnie Brown. Fact.
A RB is always more valuable than a WR. Calvin Johnson may get the hype, but Peterson has a chance to be the biggest impact player of all.
If the Browns select Quinn over Peterson then they are nuts.

Adrian Peterson is an upright runner. He's been hurt throughout not only his college career, but his high school career as well. He injured his collarbone his freshman year, according to Peterson himself the injury persisted but he toughed through it, then he broke it his junior year! Gruden's opinion is one opinion, and it is not an opinion shared by everyone. It's not the opinion shared by some NFL coaches on Yahoo Sports, or by Mike Nolan either.

jim1
04-15-2007, 04:06 PM
Hmm, draft AP while we have Ronnie, Ricky, a piss-poor OL and no good QB.

Great idea:shakeno:

If you had said draft and trade I might have actually respected this post.

Maybe you should respect the post because Peterson is an absolute stud, and when you can draft an absolute stud at #9, you take him. Plenty of other picks to fill the holes on offense.

NorFlaFin
04-15-2007, 05:00 PM
If AD drops to 9, then I would expect Meullars phone to ring off the hook.

Sign and trade, I bet the Steelers would love to have AD.

Mr.Majestik
04-15-2007, 11:34 PM
Maybe you should respect the post because Peterson is an absolute stud, and when you can draft an absolute stud at #9, you take him. Plenty of other picks to fill the holes on offense.

He might be a "stud", but he's a "stud" with a lot of questions hanging over him, and I question whether he's even a "stud" by any definition. For a stud he's had a lot of injury problems over his high school and college careers. Injuries to his ankle, shoulder, collarbone, not just freak knee injuries like Willis McGahee and Jamal Lewis had in college, but nagging injuries, the sort of injuries that get you tagged "injury prone." He runs upright, he's not a great change of direction guy. A coach like Mike Nolan wonders if Peterson can survive 5-years in the NFL running the way he does.

You can get "stud" running backs anywhere--Tiki Barber, 2nd Rd; Curtis Martin, 3rd Rd; Frank Gore, 3rd Rd; Clinton Portis, 2nd Rd; Brian Westbrook, 3rd Rd; Maurice Drew, 2nd Rd; Rudi Johnson, 4th Rd; Ahman Green, 3rd Rd; Corey Dillon, 2nd Rd; Terrell Davis, 5th Rd, Priest Holmes, undrafted; on and on and on. And more importantly, we don't need Adrian Peterson, he's not better then the guy on the roster now.

The history of running backs selected in the top ten is bad for a position that is the easiest to project into the NFL. Here's a list of running backs from the last 15-years drafted in the top ten--Reggie Bush, Ronnie Brown, Cedric Benson, Cadillac Williams, L.T., Jamal Lewis, Thomas Jones, Edgerrin James, Ricky Williams, Curtis Enis, Fred Taylor, Lawrence Phillips, Tim Biakabutuka, Ki-Jana Carter, Marshall Faulk, Garrison Hearst, Jerome Bettis, and Tommy Vardell. Of that list--Enis, Phillips, Biakabutuka, Carter, Hearst , Jones and Vardell were absolute busts for the team's that drafted them.

Hearst (3rd overall pick) was cut after his third-year! Jones (7th overall pick) was traded for a guy named Marquise Walker after stinking up the place his first three-years. Bettis, Faulk, James, Taylor and Tomlinson were superior players, multiple Pro Bowl appearances, a few of them might end up in the Hall of Fame. Lewis was a superior player for a couple of years, but like many backs, his prime was short. Ricky Williams, like Lewis, was great for a couple of years, then let off-field distractions sidetrack his Hall of Fame talent, had the Saints only had to use the 5th overall pick in the draft, he would not have been worth it, but they had to spend much more.

Of the remaining backs: Bush, Brown, Benson and Williams, the jury is still out, but Ronnie Brown is by far the most impressive. Brown's 4.3 ypc his first 2-years is better then Benson's 4.1, Williams's, 3.8; and Bush's embarrassing 3.6 ypc. Brown is also clearly a better receiver then Benson and Williams, and has the same ypr average as Bush. Brown has also been better then L.T. was his first two seasons when L.T. averaged only 4.1 ypc.

If anyone is expecting someone to make an offer to move into the 9th spot to take AP, don't hold your breath. Teams that desperately needed a back got one in the off-season, and the history of the running back position indicates that if you want a thoroughbred, you can get one much cheaper down the line. In the last 8 drafts, the top five picks in each draft have combined for only 13 Pro Bowl appearances. That's why teams don't trade up, they want to trade down. The risk to reward ratio is skewed highly toward more risk then reward.

Mr.Majestik
04-15-2007, 11:50 PM
If AD drops to 9, then I would expect Meullars phone to ring off the hook.

Sign and trade, I bet the Steelers would love to have AD.

Why would the phone ring off the hook? Teams don't trade up anymore. They've learned their lesson, look at the history of top ten picks and see the risk to reward ratio, the money spent versus the production given. Not a pretty sight. Other teams know the Dolphins aren't taking Adrian Peterson. The Texans might take Peterson at 10, but what other teams out there desperate enough for a franchise running back would be willing to pay the steep price to move up for Peterson? Only a team sitting relatively close to the ninth spot could afford to move up, San Fran doesn't need a running back, neither do the Rams, Steelers, Panthers, Jags, or Bengals, so that leaves the Bills at 12, and the Packers at 16. The Pack would need to move up 7 spots to get in front of the Texans and Bills, the only other teams in front of them with a need at running back, that would be very expensive for a team like the Packers with needs all over the place. They could easily get Marshawn Lynch at 16 if they really wanted a running back, and Lynch is just as good a prospect as Peterson. More then likely, if a team like Buffalo wanted Peterson, they would jump ahead of the Dolphins because they know that Houston would probably take a hard look at AP at ten. Miami would not benefit, so don't get your hopes up.

thecoordinator
04-15-2007, 11:57 PM
For a stud he's had a lot of injury problems over his high school and college careers. Injuries to his ankle, shoulder, collarbone, not just freak knee injuries like Willis McGahee and Jamal Lewis had in college, but nagging injuries, the sort of injuries that get you tagged "injury prone."

the only way this kid stays healthy in the nfl is if they let him wear a red jersey on game day.

JT#1
04-16-2007, 12:05 AM
the only way this kid stays healthy in the nfl is if they let him wear a red jersey on game day.

or a coach teaches how to not run upright.