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FINFAN15
04-15-2007, 06:26 PM
Some of these trade up secenarios are frightening.I would love to get Brady Quinn.But to give a second round pick to move up 3 or 4 spots to me is not worth it.A 3rd maybe but to get some good OL or a Reciever in the second would be better IMO.If we swap with Washington at 6 or Arizona at 5 the most I would be willing to give up is a 3rd.I we Cant work something out I would go with Landry at 9.Stanton,Kolb or Edwards and the best Linemen available in the second.

ASUFinFan
04-15-2007, 07:01 PM
I agree but where we differ is that I would give up our late 2nd. It is what 4 picks from basically being a third anyways. And that would get the job done.

And I wouldnt go with Landry at 9 either.

FINSFAN2781
04-15-2007, 07:17 PM
Im not one to trade away draft picks, but i have a hunch thats why we got some extra draft picks for our other players. By moving up, it will definitely cost us at least 1 of our 2 2nd round picks, but if its for a franchise QB, then do it. Its about time we draft our future QB and if we have to give up a draft pick to do it, then so be it.

23EmilioVasquez
04-15-2007, 07:34 PM
i dont like getting rid of pick we used to do that so much look were it has got in us

ajbaggott
04-15-2007, 07:40 PM
I want the dolphins to pick a player at 9 and then in the second round if he is there get Kolb. I think he is going to be a good nfl qb in this league after you give him some time to learn from trent green when we get him. I did really like culpepper but its time to move on because hes not ready and might never be and even know i had high hopes when we got him its time to cut our loses and move on.

WA. FINSFAN
04-15-2007, 08:13 PM
I like the idea of having 2-2nd round picks, but if you think of it as Quinn for Welker, it sound a lot better. think about it, if say wash. drafted Quinn then said we'll give you Quinn and a 7th for your late 2nd who wouldn't do that. it's not like we don't have a 2nd at the top of the round and a third, we would just be giveing up the extra pick we got for our thrid receiver. that's a trade any GM in football would do.

Captain Lou
04-15-2007, 08:23 PM
I like the idea of having 2-2nd round picks, but if you think of it as Quinn for Welker, it sound a lot better. think about it, if say wash. drafted Quinn then said we'll give you Quinn and a 7th for your late 2nd who wouldn't do that. it's not like we don't have a 2nd at the top of the round and a third, we would just be giveing up the extra pick we got for our thrid receiver. that's a trade any GM in football would do.


That's under the HUGE assumption Quinn becomes a good qb. I'd rather keep the picks. The extra pick San Diego got from Ny in the Manning trade landed them Merriman. I dont want to miss out on a Merriman to get a Manning not named Peyton.

The Confessor
04-15-2007, 08:29 PM
That's under the HUGE assumption Quinn becomes a good qb. I'd rather keep the picks. The extra pick San Diego got from Ny in the Manning trade landed them Merriman. I dont want to miss out on a Merriman to get a Manning not named Peyton.


Yeah I know, IF's and BUt's were Candy and Nut's...

Hey, you gotta role the dice sometimes. You really never know how a College player is gonna pan out, but, if you look at the scenario that WA Finsfan painted, it makes very good sense. Welker and our 1 for a really nice QB. I would make that trade....

OneHondo
04-15-2007, 08:30 PM
In the history of the Miami Dolphin franchise they have had the most luck with quarterbacks selected in the first round. What we have been doing sure hasn't been working. I wouldn't give up a lot but I sure would try if the opportunity arises to get one of the top tier QBs. Sure there is a risk but there was a risk with Bob Griese and Dan Marino too.

Agent51
04-15-2007, 08:53 PM
i dont like getting rid of pick we used to do that so much look were it has got in us

We also gave up picks we didn't really have to give up. We'd give up picks leaving us with nothing in that round or we'd give up future picks, leaving us with nothing there when hext year rolled around. This year we have extra picks in round 2, 6, and 7, so we have a little bit of a cushion to work with trade-wise, not to mention Culpepper to shop.

The Confessor
04-15-2007, 08:55 PM
We also gave up picks we didn't really have to give up. We'd give up picks leaving us with nothing in that round or we'd give up future picks, leaving us with nothing there when hext year rolled around. This year we have extra picks in round 2, 6, and 7, so we have a little bit of a cushion to work with trade-wise, not to mention Culpepper to shop.


I have seen that rumor once or twice. If he isnt gonna work out for us, do you think somebody else really wants him? I think Daunte's career is in SERIOUS question at this point.

maverick50
04-16-2007, 02:56 AM
what happens and we cant get quinn but we lose out on rowe , kolb edwards, stanton . i would rather we draft kolb with our 2 2rd pick to be safe and then in rd 6 we draft zach taylor qb nebraska we cant go wrong there.

Jaj
04-16-2007, 03:04 AM
Look at the number of quarterbacks that actually succeed later in the draft versus the number picked and you will see why you need to invest highly in a quarterback. Waiting around for Tom Brady will get you nowhere.

DonShula84
04-16-2007, 03:18 AM
I'd give a second in a heart beat to get Quinn. We'd basically be trading Welker for a possible franchise QB? I'd absolutely pull the trigger on that. How many years have we had a good defense and no offense/QB to help out? A good safety would be great (Landry), but I'd give up the 2nd to try and finally, after all these years, get a decent QB.

Myles Fynch
04-16-2007, 03:39 AM
Admittedly, there is a lot at stake when you trade picks to move up. The final cost is the combination of what you had to give to move up, plus what you received in return, plus a higher salary. So I don't take that lightly.

But how many of Marino's backups over his seventeen year career set the world on fire--regardless of how they were acquired? And how many of his "replacements" over the past eight years have set the world on fire? If your math is as good or better than mine you realize we haven't drafted a good QB since Marino, we got lucky with Woodley (for a little while), and of course we did very well with Griese. Damn, is that two and a half men over the past forty-some years? Pretty damn pathetic.

If the FO thinks trading up for Quinn is the way to help us turn this thing around, I'm not going to argue with them. Every other option, in recent memory, has failed us. If the worst thing your opponent can say to you three years from now is, "So and so is a great QB for you guys, but you gave up a little bit more than you should have for him" I will laugh all the way to the playoffs and beyond.

It's not reaching or losing on a trade that has killed the Dolphins lately, it's whiffing on the players we reached or paid too much in trade for. If you have to pay blood money to land Quinn and he turns out to be an awesome player, who cares? Everyone in the league that doesn't have an awesome player at QB will wish they could have made that same "mistake."

I am really expecting a powerful draft out of Mueller this year, and until proven otherwise he has my full confidence. The handcuffs are off Randy--make us proud!

PhinfanUK
04-16-2007, 01:54 PM
Trading picks has always killed us in the past because we haven't had the picks to trade. I would trade one of our second round picks in a heartbeat to draft Brady Quinn. I think he'll be more than worth it.