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PhinPhreak
07-10-2003, 09:12 AM
6. Patriots
Optimistic: Offseason additions should improve defense.
Pessimistic: Running game is still a big question mark.

8. Dolphins
Optimistic: Ricky Williams was everything the Dolphins hoped for and should be just as good in 2003.
Pessimistic:Until the Dolphins find a way to win late in the season, who cares?

11. Jets
Optimistic:Chad Pennington emerged as a star last season and should continue to improve.
Pessimistic:But will his lack of arm strength catch up to him?

15t. Bills
Optimistic:Offseason additions on defense should help one of the league's most porous defenses.
Pessimistic:Despite the improvements, they're still probably the No. 4 team in their division.

Thoughts?????

I'm not totally sure why the Pats keep getting the nod in the division, can't really argue with what they say about the Fins though.

While I don't think the Bills are the powerhouse team their fans believe that they will be, I don't think they are 4th in the division either.

I would have to Rank it

Fins
Bills
Pats
Jets

Scrap
07-10-2003, 09:31 AM
What's with the Pat's hype? I'd agree with your ranking.

zach13
07-10-2003, 10:17 AM
Those rankings were from May 19th.

A lot has happened since then.

My rankings:

1. Fins
2. Pats
3. Bills
4. Jets

I think the Jets take a big step backward this year. I think the Pats will be better on defense and Brady will continue to shine.

iceblizzard69
07-10-2003, 10:22 AM
I think it should be:

Dolphins
Bills
Pats
Jets

The Bills, Pats, and Dolphins improved their teams. Of those three, the Dolphins and Bills improved the most. I think the 3-4 system will hurt the Pats.

The Jets just got worse during the offseason. A lot worse.

Sofa_King_Drunk
07-10-2003, 10:24 AM
Whose rankings are these? Must be the Boston Globe with the Pats at #6. Still better than Pricso's, he's got the Jets at #4. The only rankings or power polls that I'm gonna concern myself with are the postseason polls. Win the Super Bowl, and the 'Phins will be numero uno in all of them. Until then, these things are opinions, and like the certain part of the anatomy that opinions are compared to, they all stink.

Scrap
07-10-2003, 10:25 AM
I wouldn't think the 3-4 would be as effective vs. Ricky.

PhinPhreak
07-10-2003, 10:48 AM
These rankings were from ESPN, I don't put much stock in rankings either not even during the season, Hell last year there was a new #1 everyweek for like 8 straight weeks. I posted it more because of the comments, I was sort of surprised they think the Bills are 4th inthe division.

Bopkin02
07-10-2003, 10:56 AM
Can someone help me out here? I don't get all the hype around Rodney Harrison. I may be wrong, but I thought he was a bit on the slow side, plus isn't this his tenth year in the league? How much of an upgrade is he over Tebucky Jones? I realize he's a big hitter, but I'm a little lost on all the love the Patriots are getting for signing him.

zach13
07-10-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Bopkin02
Can someone help me out here? I don't get all the hype around Rodney Harrison. I may be wrong, but I thought he was a bit on the slow side, plus isn't this his tenth year in the league? How much of an upgrade is he over Tebucky Jones? I realize he's a big hitter, but I'm a little lost on all the love the Patriots are getting for signing him.

He is a definite downgrade from Tebucky Jones, who I thought was a great defender for the Patriots.

Their best upgrade is obviously Colvin.

finfan54
07-10-2003, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Bopkin02
Can someone help me out here? I don't get all the hype around Rodney Harrison. I may be wrong, but I thought he was a bit on the slow side, plus isn't this his tenth year in the league? How much of an upgrade is he over Tebucky Jones? I realize he's a big hitter, but I'm a little lost on all the love the Patriots are getting for signing him.

exactamundo, tebucky jones is the guy who cuased fumbles in improtant games against us in NE. big hitter. now they have harrison who got so burned by Ricky its not funny. defeinitely not an upgrade. the move was strictly for the future so they would have a first rounder and some money.

finfan54
07-10-2003, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by zachseau13


He is a definite downgrade from Tebucky Jones, who I thought was a great defender for the Patriots.

Their best upgrade is obviously Colvin.

speaking of guys burned by ricky. not just him either, jed weaver was all alone in the endzone while colvin was shaking his head. paying too much attention to ricky? i love norv turner.:tongue:

DolphinzD
07-10-2003, 11:57 AM
Yeah, I don't understand all the hype with the Patriots either. They're a good team, sure, but #6? Oh well, just someone's opinion.

Disgustipate
07-10-2003, 12:34 PM
The Patriots team today gets entirely too much respect that should go to the the 2001 team.

fins1
07-10-2003, 12:41 PM
When you win the Superbowl that respect lingers for a while. We'll just have to kick their collective butts.

RUDEbyallMEANS
07-11-2003, 08:32 AM
Well, think about it like this.. The Patriots finished 9-7 last year with a horrible run game and a decent pass game... Now the Pats have considerable talent on defense that Bellicheck can use.. Bellicheck is a genius.. Thats basically why they are so respected.. Respect is not to the players but to the ones managing those players..

holy crap
07-11-2003, 11:04 AM
How many "experts" are actually right in thier pre-season predictions? I'd say maybe 2%

PhinsTD
07-11-2003, 12:42 PM
Yeah, I really can care less about what people think now, I only care how the Phins do on the field this season. These are for the fans.

UncleTed
07-11-2003, 01:37 PM
The only real upgrade the Pats made was Colvin. Harrison is not any better than Jones. He hits harder but is also slower. Man, our division has brought in Colvin, Seau and Spikes. Those are 3 awesome LB's.

M-REAL
07-11-2003, 01:57 PM
I agree with Ted, there should be some hard-hitting action this year with these guys on the field. They all have alot to prove out there, it will be an interesting thing to watch!

SoCalRaider
07-12-2003, 04:51 AM
My July Power Rankings look like this:

AFC

1) Raiders...conference champs kept the status quo

2) Dolphins...most complete team on paper... once Griese is under center

3) Ravens...bit of a reach... but controversy is always good

4) Pats...I like what Bellichek is doing with that Defense

5) Chiefs...only if P.Holmes is back

6) Jags...sleeper pick

NFC

1) Bucs...World Champs kept the status quo

2) Rams...improved O-Line will make all the difference

3) Eagles...somehow, some way they are always there

4) Saints...match up well against the Bucs

5) Packers...somebody has to win that division

6) 49ers...Falcons are better, but no way we'll see 3 teams from the same division make the playoffs under the current format.

Sherif
07-12-2003, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by RUDEbyallMEANS
Well, think about it like this.. The Patriots finished 9-7 last year with a horrible run game and a decent pass game... Now the Pats have considerable talent on defense that Bellicheck can use.. Bellicheck is a genius.. Thats basically why they are so respected.. Respect is not to the players but to the ones managing those players..

If you had to rank the coaching staff not just head coach I'd say Miami was pretty far down.

NE
JETS
MIAMI/BUFFALO

Jets overall ST Def Co etc are higher than Miami.

xiidaen
07-12-2003, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by holy crap
How many "experts" are actually right in thier pre-season predictions? I'd say maybe 2%


True, but I think the fan percentage is much lower...How many people last year had the Jets winning the East?

I know it's the offseason, but we have to see what happens when the games are played. And, heck, the comment on the rankings here about the Phins is very true...Until the Dolphins find a way to win late in the season, who cares?

Sherif
07-12-2003, 08:56 AM
Thats true xiiden. There's no reason to get on the bandwagon till mid december. Alot of fans last year, even with Miami in position to clinch a bye after the Oakland win, doubted and were not excited.

MOULDSROCKS
07-12-2003, 02:12 PM
socal....


What has BillB done that is so impressive?

He swithed to a 3-4, but now he doesn't have a NT.... (Warren and Klecko aren't doing it, so they need soemone)
He got a new 10-sack LB (now, many say Posey will be bad b/c he is switching systems.... well, then I guess so will Colvin! rofl)
He replaced a fast, up and coming FS with great coverage ability for a SS who is pretty slow and a liability in coverage
They have not gotten better vs the run, they actually have gotten worse as they have no NT and their MLB's are crap.
Antowain Smith is the RB
They got lucky last year vs the phins
They started off on roll, but ended the season as crap.


On the otehr hand the Bills already have a better offense, but now look at the defense:

Coy Wire and PP have improved theri range in coverage, I would say they are about equal to NE's Safety tandem now

Clements and Winfield > Law (who is a STUD) and Otis Smith (he blows)

Kevin Thomas > Eugene Wilson (rook)

Spikes, Posey, Fletcher > Bruschi, Colvin, Phifer, Johnson

Pat Williams = Richard Seymour

Sam Adams, Marcus Jones (and Chris Kelsay), Aaron Shobel > Warren, Klecko, Green, McGinest



On paper, we look like the team to beat when it comes to a wild card spot in the playoffs.

Prime Time
07-12-2003, 05:23 PM
POwer rankins suck IMHO.

SoCalRaider
07-12-2003, 09:39 PM
Original take by MOULDSROCKS
socal....


What has BillB done that is so impressive?

He swithed to a 3-4, but now he doesn't have a NT.... (Warren and Klecko aren't doing it, so they need soemone)
He got a new 10-sack LB (now, many say Posey will be bad b/c he is switching systems.... well, then I guess so will Colvin! rofl)
He replaced a fast, up and coming FS with great coverage ability for a SS who is pretty slow and a liability in coverage
They have not gotten better vs the run, they actually have gotten worse as they have no NT and their MLB's are crap.
Antowain Smith is the RB
They got lucky last year vs the phins
They started off on roll, but ended the season as crap.


On the otehr hand the Bills already have a better offense, but now look at the defense:

Coy Wire and PP have improved theri range in coverage, I would say they are about equal to NE's Safety tandem now

Clements and Winfield > Law (who is a STUD) and Otis Smith (he blows)

Kevin Thomas > Eugene Wilson (rook)

Spikes, Posey, Fletcher > Bruschi, Colvin, Phifer, Johnson

Pat Williams = Richard Seymour

Sam Adams, Marcus Jones (and Chris Kelsay), Aaron Shobel > Warren, Klecko, Green, McGinest



On paper, we look like the team to beat when it comes to a wild card spot in the playoffs.

I've always believed that the whole is always greater than the sum of the parts. What makes the Pats so dangerous is the schemes that Bellichek runs. I think that Bellichek has added enough talent in FA and through the draft to get his team to execute his schemes...

As for the Bills, I am obviously not sold on their defense, especially that secondary... plus I am really interested to see how potent that offense is without Price...

baalworship
07-13-2003, 10:13 AM
Socal: You obviously don't follow the Bills if you say, "especially their secondary."

The Bills defensive problems last year stemmed from the play of their front 7. They have revamped the linebacking corps and taken Sam Adams to help their run D. There are questions in my mind about the pass-rush from the one spot but, all in all, they are a far better team on paper.

The Bills only problem in their secondary is their free-safety position. Hopefully Izell Reese wins the job. But the Bills corners are looking really good. Winfield, Clements, Thomas and Sidney makes the Bills as good as anyone but the Dolphins at CB in the division.

2002 Regular Top Passing Defenses


Passing Defense - Passing Yards/Game
Team G Att Att/G Cmp Pct Yds Yds/G TDs Int Sck SckYds
Tampa Bay 16 510 31.9 259 50.8 2490 155.6 10 31 43 295
Indianapolis 16 468 29.2 288 61.5 2917 182.3 19 10 36 243
Green Bay 16 531 33.2 287 54.0 2987 186.7 24 24 43 241
Carolina 16 522 32.6 293 56.1 2993 187.1 18 17 52 336
Washington 16 531 33.2 304 57.3 3033 189.6 19 14 40 250
Buffalo 16 495 30.9 281 56.8 3067 191.7 24 10 31 212
Philadelphia 16 563 35.2 333 59.1 3094 193.4 18 15 56 348
Miami 16 520 32.5 294 56.5 3102 193.9 20 21 47 327

It's true that Buffalo didn't get passed on as much because of their inability to stop the run. But when you factor in how bad Buffalo's pass-rush was last year, it makes their ranking pretty impressive. Imagine what Winfield & Clements could do if we actually pressured the other team's QB!

SoCalRaider
07-14-2003, 04:48 AM
Original take by baalworship
Imagine what Winfield & Clements could do if we actually pressured the other team's QB!

About as much as they can do with no pass rush... nothing. I don't think anybody outside the city of Buffalo thinks your DB's are worth their salt...

Though you do have a point in that I don't follow the Bills. I saw the 1 game against the Raiders and highlights of various other games, and I still don't think I saw your secondary make even 1 play...

MOULDSROCKS
07-14-2003, 03:29 PM
Ignorance is bliss.



They are shut down Corners. Everybody threw on Watson last year (except the phins...) and that is b/c NC and AW just shut down the outside of the field!

INT's are not the mark of a great CB, they are the mark of a CB that likes to take chances.

Put those 2 on TB last year and they would be beasts!

SoCalRaider
07-15-2003, 12:28 AM
Original take by MOULDSROCKS

They are shut down Corners.

Apparently we have different definitions of what a "shut-down" corner is...

dolfan06
07-15-2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by SoCalRaider


Apparently we have different definitions of what a "shut-down" corner is... :rolleyes:

baalworship
07-15-2003, 06:39 PM
Raiders fans, the team where their fans are proud that their opinions are baseless....







:lol:

dolfan06
07-15-2003, 11:00 PM
Originally posted by baalworship
Raiders fans, the team where their fans are proud that their opinions are baseless....







:lol: be careful, one will threaten to eat your kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CirclingWagons
07-16-2003, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by dolfan06
be careful, one will threaten to eat your kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is their a Mike Tyson sighting in the building?