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Saint Greg
04-17-2007, 12:14 PM
Hey everyone. On the Saints board we recently completed a 7-round mock draft. I represented the Dolphins in the draft. Just wanted to share it with you guys and see what you thought about it.

1-9 - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
2-40 - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami
2-60 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State
3-71 - Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
4-96 - Dan Bazuin, DE/OLB, Central Michigan
6-181 - Kasey Studdard, OG, Texas
6-199 - Deshawn Wynn, RB, Florida
7 - 219 - Kyle Young, C, Fresno State
7 -238 - Chris Denman, OT, Fresno State

http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24320

ChambersWI
04-17-2007, 12:21 PM
pretty decent mock, but you should've picked atleast 1 o-lineman in the first 4 rounds

JFoxx
04-17-2007, 12:26 PM
IMO, that's a great draft. I have NO idea how those guys stayed around for each of those picks, but however it happened, please advise Cam/Mueller the secret formula so we could actually get those picks. :lol:

RealDriscoll
04-17-2007, 12:29 PM
I like it... My Dolphins Mock goes like this......

1st(#9): Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame
2nd(#40): Sidney Rice WR South Carolina
2nd(#60) Marcus McCauley CB Fresno State
3rd(#71): Marshal Yanda G/T Iowa
4th: Dan Buzuin DE Centralm Michigan
6th(A): Daniel Sepulveda P Baylor
6th(B): Dan Mozes C West Virginia
7th(A): Tony Taylor LB Georgia
7th(B): Mario Henderson T Florida State

SwampDawg
04-17-2007, 12:32 PM
Well just a couple points, first on the overall draft, no way San Fran or any team is trading up to #6 to take Ginn when he'll easily be there where they pick so that throws the whole draft off with such a wild pick in the first few. They should have said no trades because fans are always more willing to swap picks then real teams are.

As for your Dolphins picks based on what was available. Brady was a no brainer, Merriweather while a good player isn't a pressing need. in your draft Miami would have tried everything to trade up one spot and get Staley, that is way too low for him. But more reasonable picks the way it fell would be Rice WR, Smith WR, Sears OG or Jackson CB. Gonzo was good value at #60 since you didn't go WR at #40. Patrick might be a bit early but he has great upside. and I'm honestly not familiar enough with the rest of the guys, they seem to address needs for depth.

Saint Greg
04-17-2007, 12:36 PM
pretty decent mock, but you should've picked atleast 1 o-lineman in the first 4 rounds

I really wanted to, but the value was always at another position...and always at a position I felt Miami could use help at. With pick 40 I was looking at Kalil, Blalock, Staley...but they all went before my pick. 60 and 71 I got the guys I targeted as they continued to fall. In the 4th I was looking at Samson Satele, but he went a few picks ahead of me. Unfortunately you can't get everything in a single draft. I tried to makeup for a lack of OL by taking 3 guys in the later rounds. All players who can project to multiple positions on the OL.

JohnDolphin73
04-17-2007, 12:39 PM
This draft doesn't address the biggest need we have to fill...offensive line. Check out my sig for my 7 round mock draft. I'm hoping we trade down with Denver to get some extra picks. I wouldn't mind picking Drew Stanton (QB) at #56, as long as I knew Sears (LG) was going to be available at #60. The last two picks can be BAP, I picked OL as we need depth. Let me know what everyone else thinks.

Saint Greg
04-17-2007, 01:09 PM
This draft doesn't address the biggest need we have to fill...offensive line. Check out my sig for my 7 round mock draft. I'm hoping we trade down with Denver to get some extra picks. I wouldn't mind picking Drew Stanton (QB) at #56, as long as I knew Sears (LG) was going to be available at #60. The last two picks can be BAP, I picked OL as we need depth. Let me know what everyone else thinks.

You just have to look at what's available when you pick. I actually could've traded back with Jacksonville and picked up a 2nd round pick. But then you miss out on a franchise quarterback and a major steal at pick 9. Not surprisingly Quinn was the player Jacksonville was trying to move up for. As previously mentioned, Staley and Kalil were both gone by my next pick. Probably the only thing I could've done is taken Sears over Meriweather at 40. But Meriweather is a player I really like. He was consistently the best DB senior bowl week. He can play either safety position and the coaches there seemed to feel he could play corner as well. I think he has a chance to go late first in the real draft. There is also the tradeup possibility, but to do that you have to have a partner. I contacted probably 10 teams about trading up in the 2nd round, but I had no takers. I don't feel the Dolphins are a team that can afford to reach for a need. I'm a big fan of BPA over need after what the Saints have done in recent years. If the Saints drafted for need rather than BPA, you can take Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, Jammal Brown and Will Smith off of our team....just to name first round picks.

Thanks to everyone for the compliments/criticism. Keep it coming.

MustangFinFan
04-17-2007, 01:16 PM
my opinion has changed a lot the past couple days...we need a QB. our Oline isnt as bad as everyone thinks...Alabi i believe will emerge as a good LT...Liwensi/Toledo will compete for LG and either one will be great...Hadnot is a decent Center, Shelton and Carey are a good RG/RT. the only one id draft is Center...and let Hadnot compete for both LG/RG. my new mock would go like so, that is...if Brady Quinn were available at #9.

R1: Brady Quinn.
2a: Sidney Rice WR
2b: Zach Miller TE
R3: Josh Beekman...C/G
R4: Marcus Thomas...DT/NT
6a: Justin Medlock...K
6b: LT
7a: WR
7b: S

maverick50
04-17-2007, 04:16 PM
driscoll and mustangfinfan i love your draft picks te ben patrick and wr craig davis and brady quinn is exactly what this team needs but i will make a admenment here and say this too would work out for us .
rd 1 (trade out if quinn isnt available) trade down to baltimore for their 1 st rd pick in 08 and their 2nd and 4th rd picks 07

rd2a c ryan kalil
rd2b ot marshal yanda
rd2c wr sidney rice or wr craig davis
rd3 qb kevin kolb
rd4a ot james martin
rd 4b ot corry hilliard
rd 6a olb b.p.a.
rd 6b rb selvin youg
rd 6c olb chad nkang

ohiobryan
04-17-2007, 04:30 PM
saint greg this is the best dolphins mock draft that i've had seen yet...from your writting to god's ears!

ohiobryan
04-17-2007, 04:31 PM
better yet eye's i just sent it to him through prayer!

The Confessor
04-17-2007, 04:41 PM
Greg, the most glaring need for the Phins without a doubt is O-Line. If we were to pick up Quinn, he would fair no better than David Carr did in Houston.
Oline has got to take precedence on 2 picks within the first four rounds, preferably 2 on the first day...
This is IMO of course....

Saint Greg
04-17-2007, 07:45 PM
Greg, the most glaring need for the Phins without a doubt is O-Line. If we were to pick up Quinn, he would fair no better than David Carr did in Houston.
Oline has got to take precedence on 2 picks within the first four rounds, preferably 2 on the first day...
This is IMO of course....

I understand the need on the OL. First off your front office should be picking up solid players at need positions so you are able to go BPA in the draft. My first question is are the players I drafted not need positions? If they are, but you just feel OL is a bigger need, would you be willing to take lesser players just because they play offensive line? If so, that's not a very good formula for success. Maybe if you were just an offensive lineman or two away from the superbowl, but I think you need to go BPA at a need position which is what I tried to do. You could trade Brady Quinn for Levi Brown.....Brandon Meriweather for Arron Sears.....Ben Patrick for Samson Satele....but long-term your team isn't going to be as good. Unfortunately you can't get everything in a single draft. Tough decisions have to be made.

jyockel99
04-17-2007, 10:40 PM
i wont beat the dead horse on the o-line. I pretty much liek this draft, and feel you represented the Miami Dolphins very well in it. Kudos to you. I might've tired to find soemoen other than gonzalez, cause im not a big fan, but he was defientley the best value left. nick work overall. i do like hwo you mad ethe efforet to make up for the lack of linemen early

Saint Greg
04-18-2007, 03:43 AM
The draft is gettin gpretty good reviews on the Saints site . We are voting on who had the best draft. In the first round of voting, the teams picking 1-8 are in one group, 9-16 in the second group, and so on. Then the winners of those move on. You can vote for up to 4 teams in each group. After a day of voting, over 80% of the voters have voted for Miami's draft. The next highest in my group is Carolina with 65%. The highest in the first group was Tampa with 57%. So far, so good.

DonShula84
04-18-2007, 03:48 AM
Hey everyone. On the Saints board we recently completed a 7-round mock draft. I represented the Dolphins in the draft. Just wanted to share it with you guys and see what you thought about it.

1-9 - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
2-40 - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami
2-60 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State
3-71 - Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
4-96 - Dan Bazuin, DE/OLB, Central Michigan
6-181 - Kasey Studdard, OG, Texas
6-199 - Deshawn Wynn, RB, Florida
7 - 219 - Kyle Young, C, Fresno State
7 -238 - Chris Denman, OT, Fresno State

http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24320

Love it, especially the 1st 5 picks.

Aqua4Ever04
04-18-2007, 03:53 AM
pretty decent mock, but you should've picked atleast 1 o-lineman in the first 4 rounds

Exactly what I was going to say. I could see us going with 2 OLmen in the first day. Doug Free and Ryan Kalil in round 2 after selecting Brady Quinn in the 1st please!

MrClean
04-18-2007, 04:09 AM
I understand the need on the OL. First off your front office should be picking up solid players at need positions so you are able to go BPA in the draft. My first question is are the players I drafted not need positions? If they are, but you just feel OL is a bigger need, would you be willing to take lesser players just because they play offensive line? If so, that's not a very good formula for success. Maybe if you were just an offensive lineman or two away from the superbowl, but I think you need to go BPA at a need position which is what I tried to do. You could trade Brady Quinn for Levi Brown.....Brandon Meriweather for Arron Sears.....Ben Patrick for Samson Satele....but long-term your team isn't going to be as good. Unfortunately you can't get everything in a single draft. Tough decisions have to be made.

You make good points about drafting BPA, if one wants to build for long term.
That said, IF I were setting up a draft board, Satele would be higher than Patrick.

Phanatical
04-18-2007, 04:15 AM
Hey everyone. On the Saints board we recently completed a 7-round mock draft. I represented the Dolphins in the draft. Just wanted to share it with you guys and see what you thought about it.

1-9 - Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame
2-40 - Brandon Meriweather, S, Miami
2-60 - Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Ohio State
3-71 - Ben Patrick, TE, Delaware
4-96 - Dan Bazuin, DE/OLB, Central Michigan
6-181 - Kasey Studdard, OG, Texas
6-199 - Deshawn Wynn, RB, Florida
7 - 219 - Kyle Young, C, Fresno State
7 -238 - Chris Denman, OT, Fresno State

http://saintsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24320

That's a pretty darned good draft.

Saint Greg
04-18-2007, 04:48 AM
You make good points about drafting BPA, if one wants to build for long term.
That said, IF I were setting up a draft board, Satele would be higher than Patrick.

That's a difference of opinion there. I see Patrick as a second round value where I see Satele as a reach in the early 3rd. My selection of Patrick in the 3rd round was considered by most involved in the draft to be one of the steals of the draft, where Satele went in the 4th with no mention.

Saint Greg
04-18-2007, 04:56 AM
Exactly what I was going to say. I could see us going with 2 OLmen in the first day. Doug Free and Ryan Kalil in round 2 after selecting Brady Quinn in the 1st please!

Well the problem with Kalil is he was a first round pick. Free was available in the 2nd but was in my opinion a lower value than the players I selected. He ended up going late 3rd.

MrClean
04-18-2007, 01:18 PM
That's a difference of opinion there. I see Patrick as a second round value where I see Satele as a reach in the early 3rd. My selection of Patrick in the 3rd round was considered by most involved in the draft to be one of the steals of the draft, where Satele went in the 4th with no mention.

Yes, and different opinions are what make all the pre-draft talk more enjoyable.
I do know that some well regarded draft pubs rated Satele higher. Kiper gave Satele an 8.8 in his rating system and Patrick an 8.5. But he had Patrick going before Satele in his Blue Book mock draft. He had Patrick at 47th to GB and Satele at 52 to St. Louis.

Ourlads, which is now ran by former NFL scout Dan Shonka, gave Satele a 6.99 and Patrick a 6.50. I've long enjoyed reading Ourlads, since 1988 actually, but used to find some of their rankings off the wall. Since Shonka took over, a give them much more credence. In their mock draft, Satele went 75th to Atlanta and Patrick went 102nd to Tampa.

www.nfldraftscout.com has Satele as a late 2nd/early 3rd and Patrick as a 3rd.

One well regarded souce, PFW, rated Patrick a 5.65 (2nd rnd) and Satele a 5.40, (3rd rnd) on their scale.

I just checked Russ Lande's mock draft since I also consider him well worth taking note of, b/c he was also an NFL scout for a while. In his mock draft, Patrick goes 78th to GB and Satele 94th to SD.

It definitely is not a concensus across the board over which one should be rated higher. They are close according to most.
Like you said, differences of opinion, but I'd still rather have Satele at the point you took Patrick. :D

I'd just like to say Greg, that when I first got a computer in the mid 90s, your draft site was one of the first ones I found and yours and Scott Wright were the two that seemed most credible to me. So, I have appreciated your efforts and opinions on the draft for a long time.

Saint Greg
04-18-2007, 01:32 PM
Thanks for the compliment MrClean. Like I said it's a matter of opinion. I like Satele, I just happen to like Patrick more. Satele wouldn't be a bad 3rd round pick, But he would've been a very good 4th round pick if he had fallen a few more spots.

On a different note, In the mock on my website, Kalil went 1 pick ahead of pick 40 this morning. Everyone wants to keep me from getting the offensive linemen it seems. I did get Levi Brown in the first round of that one though since Quinn was gone.

finfan54
04-18-2007, 03:14 PM
This draft doesn't address the biggest need we have to fill...offensive line. Check out my sig for my 7 round mock draft. I'm hoping we trade down with Denver to get some extra picks. I wouldn't mind picking Drew Stanton (QB) at #56, as long as I knew Sears (LG) was going to be available at #60. The last two picks can be BAP, I picked OL as we need depth. Let me know what everyone else thinks.


Man I like your absolute gunho attitude at getting linemen. Dustin Fry will go much sooner than 7 IMO. On my printed out 500 Fox list it has Fry at 76 with the word "rise" next to his name.


Love the attitude on the OL even if I am not a huge Staley fan and at least we traded down for him.