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TotoreMexico
04-17-2007, 07:35 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0704/gallery.nfl.impactrookies2/content.1.html

Regan21286
04-17-2007, 07:37 PM
A good list. I'd put Marino down since he really made an immediate impact. But I guess we were pretty good before we got him anyways.

ChambersWI
04-17-2007, 07:42 PM
Vince Young was not one of the top 15 rookies in the last 30 years. I'll give ya Big Ben because the Steelers went 15-1 in the regular season (14-0 with Ben as the starter), but Young being 6-2 with 18 total TDs is not top 15 in last 30 years

Aqua4Ever04
04-17-2007, 07:45 PM
Vince Young was not one of the top 15 rookies in the last 30 years. I'll give ya Big Ben because the Steelers went 15-1 in the regular season (14-0 with Ben as the starter), but Young being 6-2 with 18 total TDs is not top 15 in last 30 years

Not to mention a guy who threw 13 INTs, completed less than 55% of his passes had a rating of just 69.2. Young was incredibilly overrated last year.

EDIT: And damn I am sick and tired of the lack of respect Zach Thomas gets. Thomas had 155 tackles with 2 sacks and 3 picks 1 going for a TD. Urlacher had 124 tackles 8 sacks and 2 picks. I know he had a lot more sacks, but I think Thomas was just as big as Urlacher in their repsective rookie years. Also, where the hell is Marino?

dlockz
04-17-2007, 08:09 PM
that list is crap.marino was more of an impact rookie than many of these players. 20 td's 5 interceptions and he gets no credit for impact. Whoever made this list had no sense of history.

JGray20
04-17-2007, 08:45 PM
And Vince Young had the worst passer rating in the NFL.

JGray20
04-17-2007, 08:47 PM
Can we start a thread the top 15 impact rookies for Dolphins? Obviously behind Dan and Zach.

BlueFin
04-17-2007, 09:15 PM
A good list. I'd put Marino down since he really made an immediate impact. But I guess we were pretty good before we got him anyways.


That was just wrong, I know were Dolphin fans and bias, but Marino made the Pro Bowl as a rookie, and led his team to the playoffs, he should be there over Urlacher for sure.

Blitz
04-17-2007, 09:42 PM
Not a bad list if you can overlook the fact that Dan Marino is the only rookie QB in the history of the league to be voted as the starter on his conference's Pro Bowl team.

dlockz
04-17-2007, 10:22 PM
Not a bad list if you can overlook the fact that Dan Marino is the only rookie QB in the history of the league to be voted as the starter on his conference's Pro Bowl team.


marino hands down had the best rookie season of any Qb in NFL history and second would be Big ben.

dlockz
04-17-2007, 10:46 PM
Not a bad list if you can overlook the fact that Dan Marino is the only rookie QB in the history of the league to be voted as the starter on his conference's Pro Bowl team.


marino hands down had the best rookie season of any Qb in NFL history and second would be Big ben.

miaD5499
04-17-2007, 11:18 PM
without marino on that list it throws out all credibility

Fineas
04-18-2007, 12:07 AM
They really did a pathetic job of putting that list together. Notable omissions:

Al "Bubba" Baker (23 sacks -- unofficial stat at the time)

Everson Walls (11 interceptions)

Leslie O'Neal (12.5 sacks)

Simeon Rice (12.5 sacks)

Anquan Boldin (101 rec for 1377 yds)

Dale Carter (7 INTs, I TD)

Dan Marino


Why does Shockey's 74/894/2 get in over Keith Jackson's 81/869/6?


And how does Tony Dorsett's 1007 yards and 4.9 ypc and Billy Sims' 1303/4.2) get in over Jerome Bettis (1429/4.9), Curtis Martin (1487/4.0/14 TD), Clinton Portis (1508/5.5/15 TDs), Marshall Faulk (1282/4.1/522 yds receiving), Edgerrin James (1553/4.2/17 TD/586 yds. receiving), Eddie George (1368/4.1), Mike Anderson (1487/5.0/15 TD), etc.

And although some will say it's heresy, I wonder if Taylor would be anywhere near No. 1 if he didn't play in NY. Rushing the passer and getting sacks was his main claim to fame, but the reality is that several of his contemporaries put up pretty comparable sack numbers:

Taylor -- 132.5 in 184 games
Rickey Jackson -- 128 in 227 games
Kevin Greene -- 160 in 212 games
Keith Doleman -- 151 in 232 games
Andre Tippett -- 100 in 151 games
Derrick Thomas -- 126.5 in 167 games

If these other guys had played in NY, I wonder if they'd be talked about in some of the same ways that LT is. While Taylor is sometimes credited with causing the sack to be recognized as an official NFL stat in 1982, I think that had a lot to do with the NY Sack Exchange, with both Gastineau and Klecko getting more than 20 unofficial sacks in 1981. Having LT doing his thing in NY that same year didn't hurt, but contrary to some people's belief, the 3-4 defense with a pass rushing OLB existed before LT (see, e.g., Dolphins' 53 defense with Bob Matheson and AJ Duhe)

PhinfanUK
04-18-2007, 05:52 AM
Marino is a notable omission, also, Merriman could be considered.