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Rubbin420
04-19-2007, 12:11 AM
Mueller stated that ideally the BPA is the way to go especially in the first round. (Need the link. Check out the draft 1 on 1 video at miamidolphins.com)
This of course can be part of the smokescreen, although it matches his draft history. I think its a position in which a bad pick can set a team back for a long time, especially at QB. So picking the BPA can lower the chance at failure. Mueller did also say that picking the BPA coupled with a need is the homerun in the draft.

Who do you think will be the BPA at 9. (Not the guy you want to be there)

Here are the 2 players I feel will be available and best options.

Patrick Willis-Although a MLB is not an immediete need. He would be the ideal replacement for Thomas in 2 years. The only problem is he doesnt contribute this year unless someone gets injured.

Ted Ginn Jr. (I cant believe im saying this, because he is not exactly who I want.)

But the guy contributes on special teams immedietely and most importantly he can let Chambers play the slot and call the double coverage from a safety. Additionally he would keep 8 guys out of the box and help the run. Our offense gets a huge boost and will keep defenses guessing.


P.S. As much as I hate the idea, Quinn will be gone.


Go phins.:cooldude:

dominizzo
04-19-2007, 12:15 AM
The Lions want Quinn badly i hear

nyital571
04-19-2007, 12:19 AM
Anything any of us hear at this piont is crap unless you look at draft history need and coaching situation.

AtomX666
04-19-2007, 12:59 AM
If Quinn is gone,if Peterson is gone.brown is not the answer. Quinn, ,AP,Landry,Okoye,maybe Willis or Branch.As much as I want Quinn at 9,Im not so sure Stanton or Edwards wont be nice with either 2nd.No diss against Ronnie but AP cant be passed at 9.He would be the better score at 9.i love Brady but AP is LT or close to me.Neither is probably gonna fall 2 9.But Im wishing for AP more than BQ.Draft AP and figure it out.Like Calvin to TB ,AP is a stud.CJ and Ap are the studs of the draft.I like J Thomas alot but I LOVED Gallery.We all diss the Raiders but Gallery was the pick of the draft.He should have went #1 overall at draft.Things change obviousley,CJ or AP are LOCKS.Figure it out at 9,as long as it aint Brown,Ginn,Branch or Hall.Quinn,AP, Landry,Wilis or Okoye are the only answers.Otherwise trade down(if u can I know its difficult) for L Brown ,Olson,Bowe,Staley,Willis or Meachem.FFF Hall, Jarrett, Gonzalez,and Brown at 9.Our staff knows a lot more than we do,maybe Alabi,Toledo and even Hagan r worth more than we think.I hope were looking for Houston, Staley,Stanton,Edwards,Patrick, Merriweather,K Brown,Bain,Snelling or Yanda the first day. maybe I'm a homer but i feel we can compete 2day and build 4 the future at the same time.Draft a superstud at 9 and hope were nowhere near the top 10 in the future.

AtomX666
04-19-2007, 01:04 AM
no Levi,draft studs at 9.AP,Brady,Okoye,Landry,Willis, or even Branch,Anderson,Revis or Carricker.No Levi or Ginn!!!!!!!!!!

FinAtic8480
04-19-2007, 01:15 AM
Laron Landry, Amobi Okoye and Levi Brown. If Adrian Peterson slides to nine, you bet your butts Mueller drafts him. This no knock on my boy Ronnie, but Cam what love to have the possible second coming of LT in Miami. Also Mueller while with the Saints and having Ricky drafted Mcallister.

ASUFinFan
04-19-2007, 01:32 AM
The Lions want Quinn badly i hear

I dont think so. I think this is the year Millen makes a safe pick.

ASUFinFan
04-19-2007, 01:35 AM
Laron Landry, Amobi Okoye and Levi Brown. If Adrian Peterson slides to nine, you bet your butts Mueller drafts him. This no knock on my boy Ronnie, but Cam what love to have the possible second coming of LT in Miami. Also Mueller while with the Saints and having Ricky drafted Mcallister.


AP in our backfield with Ronnie would be awsome. It would be somwhat like what the Saints did last year coupling Bush with Duece. Bush was best bpa so they took him. I would be fine with this as long as Quinn is already off the board though.

FinAtic8480
04-19-2007, 01:39 AM
AP in our backfield with Ronnie would be awsome. It would be somwhat like what the Saints did last year coupling Bush with Duece. Bush was best bpa so they took him. I would be fine with this as long as Quinn is already off the board though.

Obviously no Quinn. Here is a small tidbit Staton might be a late first Rounder, dont believe me check this out:


Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome produced the biggest revelation of the day when he said there could be a quarterback that the team would take with the 29th pick of the first round.
-- Baltimore Sun

Seems like we wont only select BPA in the first, but how about also in the Second.

Oh BTW here is the link:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/04/18/nfl.truth.rumors/index.html

Skeet84
04-19-2007, 02:18 AM
He will pick the BPA that will help the team the most this year. Okoye and Brown fit that right now

ASUFinFan
04-19-2007, 02:34 AM
Obviously no Quinn. Here is a small tidbit Staton might be a late first Rounder, dont believe me check this out:



Seems like we wont only select BPA in the first, but how about also in the Second.

Oh BTW here is the link:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/scorecard/04/18/nfl.truth.rumors/index.html

Hey, thanks for the that link. After Quinn, I am not sure which qb I like the most. Only one I know i dont want is Beck, and thats because he is already 25.

zonk4ever
04-19-2007, 07:51 AM
Levi Brown has been a top pick all along. He easily could be perceived as the BPA @ 9 if Peterson and Quinn are gone. Whether you "like" him or you don't Brown has been up there even with his 5.4 40 at the combine. Somebody must have watched his game films and performance at the Senior Bowl or else he would've dropped like a rock after the combine performance. Branch's stock has dropped even though he looked excellent at the combine. Reason: he showed up out-of-shape at his Pro Day but more importantly, they watched "game film" of him and he didn't make many plays. Willis's stock elevated after his tremendous Pro Day workout. So if Brown is selected @ 9, it will be based on his game film, not his workouts. We should be comfortable with that if he's selected.

LarryFinFan
04-19-2007, 07:58 AM
Brown, Carriker, Peterson would be better than Willis. Now if they take Staley (who's having a meteoric rise) over Willis, that might constitute a reach, but it seems that QBs and LTs are in a different category than other positions as to what constitutes a reach....

Somewhere I read that Willis is more of a cover-2 LB rather than a 3-4 backer, but I could be wrong. To take him because he's the BPA and him not really fit your system would be rather dumb too. Perhaps one of the draft guru's can confirm or deny this about Willis, but that would be my only concern about taking him whereas Brown is a need position as well as in the group that might be available to us and Carriker, while not a need would likely be in the rotation from day one...

finfan54
04-19-2007, 08:00 AM
Levi Brown has been a top pick all along. He easily could be perceived as the BPA @ 9 if Peterson and Quinn are gone. Whether you "like" him or you don't Brown has been up there even with his 5.4 40 at the combine. Somebody must have watched his game films and performance at the Senior Bowl or else he would've dropped like a rock after the combine performance. Branch's stock has dropped even though he looked excellent at the combine. Reason: he showed up out-of-shape at his Pro Day but more importantly, they watched "game film" of him and he didn't make many plays. Willis's stock elevated after his tremendous Pro Day workout. So if Brown is selected @ 9, it will be based on his game film, not his workouts. We should be comfortable with that if he's selected.



While I totally agree with what you say, combine results can be "football" misleading. He is a LT for crying out loud!

The problem I see, is that Mueller has a higher grade for Staley than Brown and does not like Brown. If he truly see's it this way, I will lose respect for our coaching staff and Mueller's abiltiy to truly evaluate talent at a particular position. If this is the case, Brown will never even be considered at 9 to be drafted and we all know that Brown aint gettin past Houston.

Willis, Landry, Quinn, Peterson and Okoye are all good picks but I do not see us needing a DT like alot of so called experts see. I actually see us needing a DE more. Carriker? maybe a tiny reach at 9 but who knows.

finfan54
04-19-2007, 08:04 AM
Brown, Carriker, Peterson would be better than Willis. Now if they take Staley (who's having a meteoric rise) over Willis, that might constitute a reach, but it seems that QBs and LTs are in a different category than other positions as to what constitutes a reach....

Somewhere I read that Willis is more of a cover-2 LB rather than a 3-4 backer, but I could be wrong. To take him because he's the BPA and him not really fit your system would be rather dumb too. Perhaps one of the draft guru's can confirm or deny this about Willis, but that would be my only concern about taking him whereas Brown is a need position as well as in the group that might be available to us and Carriker, while not a need would likely be in the rotation from day one...


I do not get the defensive technique thing when it comes to players like Willis. He is a stud LB pure and simple and should fit into any defense that require tackling machines who cover alot of ground in a hurry.

Elliott 1
04-19-2007, 08:12 AM
Josh McCown wants out of Detroit for a reason people..................................................................
...................think about it.

Do you think just maybe it's because Detroit is going QB with the #2 pick.

He knows he is not going to get a real chance there in the future and he wants to be traded.

This isn't some mock or some article written by some guy who doesn't care. This is what is really happening on the Lions roster.

fishypete
04-19-2007, 08:13 AM
Brown, Carriker, Peterson would be better than Willis. Now if they take Staley (who's having a meteoric rise) over Willis, that might constitute a reach, but it seems that QBs and LTs are in a different category than other positions as to what constitutes a reach....

Somewhere I read that Willis is more of a cover-2 LB rather than a 3-4 backer, but I could be wrong. To take him because he's the BPA and him not really fit your system would be rather dumb too. Perhaps one of the draft guru's can confirm or deny this about Willis, but that would be my only concern about taking him whereas Brown is a need position as well as in the group that might be available to us and Carriker, while not a need would likely be in the rotation from day one...

Willis is a inside linebacker....and Zack isn't getting any younger.

jim1
04-19-2007, 08:52 AM
Mueller stated that ideally the BPA is the way to go especially in the first round. (Need the link. Check out the draft 1 on 1 video at miamidolphins.com)
This of course can be part of the smokescreen, although it matches his draft history. I think its a position in which a bad pick can set a team back for a long time, especially at QB. So picking the BPA can lower the chance at failure. Mueller did also say that picking the BPA coupled with a need is the homerun in the draft.

Who do you think will be the BPA at 9. (Not the guy you want to be there)

Here are the 2 players I feel will be available and best options.

Patrick Willis-Although a MLB is not an immediete need. He would be the ideal replacement for Thomas in 2 years. The only problem is he doesnt contribute this year unless someone gets injured.

Ted Ginn Jr. (I cant believe im saying this, because he is not exactly who I want.)

But the guy contributes on special teams immedietely and most importantly he can let Chambers play the slot and call the double coverage from a safety. Additionally he would keep 8 guys out of the box and help the run. Our offense gets a huge boost and will keep defenses guessing.


P.S. As much as I hate the idea, Quinn will be gone.


Go phins.:cooldude:

As much as I want offense, I'd rather take Patrick Willis or Jamaal Anderson in the 1st than reach on a player they don't have a conviction on. We have 2 DE's on the roster and DT Holliday, who can play DE. Taylor is also a part time OLB. Anderson would fit in nicely, 6-6 285 lbs. with wheels. And Willis is just a talented, fast beast. Future Pro Bowler.

Geforce
04-19-2007, 09:24 AM
Patrick Willis just might be the BPA at #9. He can play inside and outside linebacker plus with his sub 4.5 40 speed and instincts can make plays all over the field.

YetanotherFan
04-19-2007, 10:15 AM
Patrick Willis just might be the BPA at #9. He can play inside and outside linebacker plus with his sub 4.5 40 speed and instincts can make plays all over the field.


Yep this is the BPA at #9 barring Brady Quinn is gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bM4sEmaFLQ


Aggressive taking on multiple blockers, using his leg drive and power to stack single blocks at the line of scrimmage … Instinctive and quick reactor who won't get fooled by play-action and is quick to recognize blocking schemes … Stays square when facing-up to offensive guards, getting enough leverage with his strength and shedding quickly thanks to active hand swipes … Hard worker in the training room who won Lifter of the Year honors at Ole Miss in 2006 … Looks natural reading plays and also seems to be in position to make the tackle … Keeps his feet on the move and shows good urgency closing on the ball … When he makes proper reads coming off the snap, he is instant in attacking the ball … Has the hand strength to take-on and shed blocks and it is rare to see him get pinned when he stays low in his pads and keeps his hands inside his frame and active …

Combine: 4.51 in the 40-yard dash … Benched 225 pounds 22 times … 35-inch vertical jump … 9-foot-11 broad jump … 7.23 three cone drill.

From NFL.com

Geforce
04-19-2007, 11:09 AM
Yep this is the BPA at #9 barring Brady Quinn is gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bM4sEmaFLQ



I was watching that game when Willis made that hit Justin Vincent, who is not a small running back. I was hollering and saying now that's the way you are supposed to tackle somebody.

Rubbin420
04-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Josh McCown wants out of Detroit for a reason people..................................................................
...................think about it.

Do you think just maybe it's because Detroit is going QB with the #2 pick.

He knows he is not going to get a real chance there in the future and he wants to be traded.

This isn't some mock or some article written by some guy who doesn't care. This is what is really happening on the Lions roster.

Hes not the starter, John Kitna is. I dont think McCown is going to cause the Lions to choose a QB.

Elliott 1
04-21-2007, 02:36 AM
Hes not the starter, John Kitna is. I dont think McCown is going to cause the Lions to choose a QB.

WTH
What are talking about???

Everyone knows Kitna was the starter. He is also old and Josh thought he was going to get a shot to start in Detroit in the future. Obviously it has come to his attention that Detroit is drafting a QB in the first round this year meaning he is being pushed out of the future plans. I would want to be traded if I were him as well.

Your statement about him causing the Lions to pick a QB makes no sense at all.

dlockz
04-21-2007, 09:35 AM
While I totally agree with what you say, combine results can be "football" misleading. He is a LT for crying out loud!

The problem I see, is that Mueller has a higher grade for Staley than Brown and does not like Brown. If he truly see's it this way, I will lose respect for our coaching staff and Mueller's abiltiy to truly evaluate talent at a particular position. If this is the case, Brown will never even be considered at 9 to be drafted and we all know that Brown aint gettin past Houston.

Willis, Landry, Quinn, Peterson and Okoye are all good picks but I do not see us needing a DT like alot of so called experts see. I actually see us needing a DE more. Carriker? maybe a tiny reach at 9 but who knows.


How would we know that Mueller grades Staley higher than Brown, I seriously doubt any scouts have Staley over Brown.