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South Florida
04-19-2007, 09:53 AM
From NFL.com:

"Willis had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran two 40s in 4.51 and 4.53, the short shuttle in 4.46 and the cone drill in 7.23. He also had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-11 long jump and did 21 bench presses. Willis worked out again on March 20 at Mississippi's Pro Day and ran 4.57 and 4.38 at a weight of 237 pounds."


I had no idea. That's nuts! I know we don't need him, but as far as I'm concerned, he's as much a sure thing as is Calvin Johnson.

CitizenSnips
04-19-2007, 10:01 AM
That's been established. He's the best MLB prospect in years.

South Florida
04-19-2007, 10:26 AM
That's been established. He's the best MLB prospect in years.

I believe that to be true, but does that mean Mueller might take him?

Meuller will take the best player available on his board.

He HAS TO BE the BPA available on our board when we pick. How can he not be? If Meuller is as smart as he seems to be, Willis is probably 5th behind Johnson, Russell, Thomas and Peterson.

JFoxx
04-19-2007, 10:30 AM
Could make for an interesting decision if we stay at #9. He very well could be the top person sitting there in front of us at #9 and do you take the high talent, depsite not really needing him a this point ? Or do you try and trade down with someone else who will be highly coveting him ? I would be very tempted to take the elite talent, but I'm not Cam/Mueller, so I guess that's why they pay them the big bucks ! :D

Fingers
04-19-2007, 10:50 AM
I believe that if Quinn, Landry, Russell,Thomas and Peterson are gone before the 9th pick, Miami will select the BPA which may very well be Willis. Mueller needs to infuse this team with young impact players. One of the failings the Dolphins have had over the past 5-6 years is the drafting of players based on immediate needs. This approach eventually lowers the overall talent level of the team and catches up to you. Mueller will select the highest rated player on the board. If that is Willis, he will picked.

swa is funky
04-19-2007, 10:55 AM
Zach isn't gonna be here forever

CitizenSnips
04-19-2007, 11:01 AM
I believe that to be true, but does that mean Mueller might take him?

Meuller will take the best player available on his board.

He HAS TO BE the BPA available on our board when we pick. How can he not be? If Meuller is as smart as he seems to be, Willis is probably 5th behind Johnson, Russell, Thomas and Peterson.
LANDRY = TOP 5!

Now that i've got that out of my system. I'm all for Willis. However, if we drafted Willis, that would mean we'd have 3 starting caliber MLB's on our defense.

(Willis, Thomas, and Crowder). And yes, Crowder is a MLB, he plays OLB like a MLB. Lots of tackles, virtually no sacks. hes a MLB.

But if we drafted willis, i wouldn't say i'd be upset. It would mean we could eventually swithc to a real 3-4 and have both crowder and Willis inside after Thomas is either let go or retires in the not to distant future.

trate121hb
04-19-2007, 11:05 AM
That's been established. He's the best MLB prospect in years.

dude this isnt baseball its football....lol :sidelol:

zach8111
04-19-2007, 11:06 AM
From NFL.com:

"Willis had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran two 40s in 4.51 and 4.53, the short shuttle in 4.46 and the cone drill in 7.23. He also had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-11 long jump and did 21 bench presses. Willis worked out again on March 20 at Mississippi's Pro Day and ran 4.57 and 4.38 at a weight of 237 pounds."


I had no idea. That's nuts! I know we don't need him, but as far as I'm concerned, he's as much a sure thing as is Calvin Johnson.
thats crazy fast for a linebacker but no new news. i have known that for about 3 weeks now. thats why he is 10-20 in the draft

kpcane
04-19-2007, 11:14 AM
From NFL.com:

"Willis had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran two 40s in 4.51 and 4.53, the short shuttle in 4.46 and the cone drill in 7.23. He also had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-11 long jump and did 21 bench presses. Willis worked out again on March 20 at Mississippi's Pro Day and ran 4.57 and 4.38 at a weight of 237 pounds."


I had no idea. That's nuts! I know we don't need him, but as far as I'm concerned, he's as much a sure thing as is Calvin Johnson.

So he's run 4 times - 4.51, 4.53, 4.57, and 4.38.

That's called being an outlier, not indicative of what he'll give you on any given play. We'd have to move down a couple spots to consider him.

OneHondo
04-19-2007, 11:56 AM
So he's run 4 times - 4.51, 4.53, 4.57, and 4.38.

That's called being an outlier, not indicative of what he'll give you on any given play. We'd have to move down a couple spots to consider him.

His speed is not the only thing he brings to the table, he is a great player too.
He would be some great insurance for an aged middle linebacker corp.

nick1
04-19-2007, 12:01 PM
Crowder is our future MLB, but if we stay in the 3-4 scheme than we could use him. you need two inside LBs in the scheme and right now while we have Thomas we could move Crowder to OLB. when Porter or Taylor is lined up at DE we do need a OLB

kpcane
04-19-2007, 12:05 PM
His speed is not the only thing he brings to the table, he is a great player too.
He would be some great insurance for an aged middle linebacker corp.

I don't doubt that. I just think that he's not going to give 4.38 speed on 90% of the plays.

kkcow15
04-19-2007, 12:12 PM
dude this isnt baseball its football....lol :sidelol:

MIDDLE LINEBACKER..................:rolls eyes:

colmax
04-19-2007, 12:32 PM
So he's run 4 times - 4.51, 4.53, 4.57, and 4.38.

That's called being an outlier, not indicative of what he'll give you on any given play. We'd have to move down a couple spots to consider him.

The poster/link is wrong. He ran a 4.37 and a 4.38 at his pro day. He ran a 4.49 and a 4.51 at the combine. He also had a 39 inch vertical, not 35. I emailed them about that, but they haven't changed it. Crazy NFL.com site...

And as far as moving down a couple of spots to get him, Detroit is absolutely enamored by Willis, but is looking to move down inside 10 to get him. Do not be surprised if Minny takes a long look at him at 7, either. That is, of course, if Brady Quinn is not in the mix.

calmrage
04-19-2007, 12:33 PM
I say we draft Willis at #9 and trade ZT for a high 3rd or lower 2nd rounder to someone looking to win now. If nobody bites, we keep Zach, and allow Willis to learn from him. Then we put J.T.'s hand back on the ground and let Porter Blitz from everywhere!

colmax
04-19-2007, 12:34 PM
Crowder is our future MLB, but if we stay in the 3-4 scheme than we could use him. you need two inside LBs in the scheme and right now while we have Thomas we could move Crowder to OLB. when Porter or Taylor is lined up at DE we do need a OLB

The thing about Willis is that he has played OLB in college his Fr./So. years. He knows the position. He is on helluva MLB, but is freakish athletic enough to play outside, no problem.

BTW, the Pats and Bills are pretty high on this guy. I would really hate for either of these teams to get Willis.....

kpcane
04-19-2007, 12:45 PM
The poster/link is wrong. He ran a 4.37 and a 4.38 at his pro day. He ran a 4.49 and a 4.51 at the combine. He also had a 39 inch vertical, not 35. I emailed them about that, but they haven't changed it. Crazy NFL.com site...

And as far as moving down a couple of spots to get him, Detroit is absolutely enamored by Willis, but is looking to move down inside 10 to get him. Do not be surprised if Minny takes a long look at him at 7, either. That is, of course, if Brady Quinn is not in the mix.

Hmm...that makes things interesting.

miamiron
04-19-2007, 12:50 PM
From NFL.com:

"Willis had a complete workout at the Combine. He ran two 40s in 4.51 and 4.53, the short shuttle in 4.46 and the cone drill in 7.23. He also had a 35-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-11 long jump and did 21 bench presses. Willis worked out again on March 20 at Mississippi's Pro Day and ran 4.57 and 4.38 at a weight of 237 pounds."


I had no idea. That's nuts! I know we don't need him, but as far as I'm concerned, he's as much a sure thing as is Calvin Johnson.

Hand held times(stopwatch)Are far from accurate...Just look at the times of Ginn last week ...they were all over the place.As for Willis I would stick with the electronic timed numbers at the combine.

Thats why I don't go insane when someone runs a incredible hand held time that is far from the electronic timed combine numbers.

You have coaches from
10-20 teams all standing there with there stopwatches ALL with different times.

With that said I would bet the farm that CJ is faster than Willis but Willis is the best LB available this draft JUST NOT A LEGIT 4.38 40 LB.

Parisi combine training school has some great info on there web site regarding hand held times versus electronic time...go with the electronic times of the combine if you want an accurate time.

Motion
04-19-2007, 12:50 PM
:hmmm: Didn't this happen like month ago?

colmax
04-21-2007, 08:22 PM
:hmmm: Didn't this happen like month ago?

Yeah, but it's still pretty damned impressive!

colmax
04-21-2007, 08:29 PM
Hand held times(stopwatch)Are far from accurate...Just look at the times of Ginn last week ...they were all over the place.As for Willis I would stick with the electronic timed numbers at the combine.

Thats why I don't go insane when someone runs a incredible hand held time that is far from the electronic timed combine numbers.

You have coaches from
10-20 teams all standing there with there stopwatches ALL with different times.

With that said I would bet the farm that CJ is faster than Willis but Willis is the best LB available this draft JUST NOT A LEGIT 4.38 40 LB.

Parisi combine training school has some great info on there web site regarding hand held times versus electronic time...go with the electronic times of the combine if you want an accurate time.



Willis (6-1, 237 pounds) ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 and 4.38. He also had a 4.37 short shuttle and 7.10 three-cone drill. He stood on his numbers from the Combine for the rest. He had a phenomenal workout and clearly made several seven-figure increments in his rookie contract.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#olemiss

Although times are "hand times" by scouts, I think these times are electronic. (4.37 and 4.38). I wish I could almost guarantee it.

miamiron
04-22-2007, 05:59 AM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts#olemiss

Although times are "hand times" by scouts, I think these times are electronic. (4.37 and 4.38). I wish I could almost guarantee it.

Your wrong

Dolfan2788
04-22-2007, 07:11 AM
Whoever said the best MLB prospect in years.... maybe you've forgotten about AJ Hawk and Vilma?

colmax
04-22-2007, 11:41 AM
Your wrong

Just for discussion, can you prove it? I admit, I was not there for his pro day, but with times as ridiculous as a 4.37/40 by a 240 lb LB, couldn't one presume these times were timed electronically? I mean, why even post the times online if they weren't?

I wish I knew one way or the other. But I do not see the reasoning behind making a big deal out of a 4.37/40 hand timed run. Just does not make sense. I am not saying he is a legit 4.37, but he does has some pretty impressive game speed:

Check out the reverse play in this highlight. Did not give up and, although, the player got plenty of yardage, it was Willis who makes the tackle downfield. Show's good speed here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV4BX9upvVY


Darren McFadden, considered one of the fastest guys in the SEC (Heisman candidate as a sophomore last year). Watch how Willis catches him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4wb4xNU5pA



So, is Willis a legitimate 4.37 guy? Probably not. But he does have GREAT speed for a 240lb LB and has the ability to catch guys faster than he.

fintip
04-22-2007, 12:15 PM
I believe that to be true, but does that mean Mueller might take him?

Meuller will take the best player available on his board.

He HAS TO BE the BPA available on our board when we pick. How can he not be? If Meuller is as smart as he seems to be, Willis is probably 5th behind Johnson, Russell, Thomas and Peterson.
I think Landry might fit in that list too but yeah Willis is great prospect.

aj13
04-22-2007, 01:01 PM
if u look at muellers draft track record, he isnt adverse to taking a middle linebacker early in the draft...he does like speedy guys in that spot...at 9 there is a lot of different ways the dolphins could go...i believe ginn, carriker and willis are two of the BPA's we could be seeing selected...

maverick50
04-22-2007, 01:18 PM
i am 500 % sure i would take willis at #9 and take qb kolb or edwards and tutor them intensly then when zach retires we dont have to search deprately for zach's replacement and give up draft picks to find our guy.

think about this my aqua oriented ones

we take patrick willis at #9

we take c ryan kalil at 40

we then get wr sidney rice , ot marshal yanda , c, lyle sendlein
then take dt ryan mcbean
then we take rb selvin young and then we are off and runing

whoo hoo !