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Tupac Shakur
04-19-2007, 02:29 PM
This article was posted in today's USA Today:


TEAMS IN NEED OF DEFENSIVE LINEMEN

• Miami Dolphins: All four defensive line starters are 31 or older. Starting defensive tackles Keith Traylor (http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=1130) and Vonnie Holliday will be 38 and 31 this season. Young backups Fred Evans (http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=4003) and Manny Wright are unproven. Okoye would add fresh legs and energy to an aging interior unit, while Clemson's Adams would be an upgrade on Kevin Carter (http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=248), turning 34, at defensive end. He would help take pressure off 2006 NFL Defensive Player of the Year Jason Taylor (http://fantasyfootball.usatoday.com/content/player.asp?sport=NFL&id=1305), who will be 33.Here is my letter to the editor:



In reading teams in need of defensive lineman, the article on the Miami Dolphins could have been the worst I have ever read from USA Today. To start, the author does not realize that Miami has transitioned to a full-time 3-4 alignment. Yes, Jason Taylor may sometimes play with his hand in the ground, but the defense itself and the concepts that go with it are 3-4 oriented. Also, Dom Capers, recently given a contract extension, is a 3-4 defense guru.

Because of this, the entire article doesn’t make sense. The article pointed out that all four starters on the D-Line are 30 years or older. First, there aren’t four starters on the D-Line, there are three. But, for the benefit of the doubt, we’ll say Jason Taylor is a D-Lineman. The starters would be Jason Taylor, Keith Traylor (might not start), Vonnie Holliday, and Matt Roth. The last time I checked, Matt Roth was 24. That isn’t over 30 where I come from.

He also mentions that their young backups are unproven. But the fact of the matter is that they do indeed have youth at the position. Five players drafted by Miami in the last two years are eager to assume larger roles, being Matt Roth (projected starter at DE), Fred Evans (possible starter at NT), Manny Wright, Rodrique Wright, and Kevin Vickerson. Obviously, these guys are “unproven,” but so is any player that you draft out of college! They also like Chase Page, 24, out of North Carolina, who they picked up from the San Diego Chargers last year. Also, the Dolphins have spent heavily on the defensive side of the ball, and all signs point to improving the offense with the draft.

The article then says that Amobi Okoye would add “fresh legs and energy to an aging interior unit.” Earlier in the article, it is mentioned by Detroit Lions coach Rod Marinelli that Okoye is best suited for a Tampa-2 style defense, playing the 3 technique. He does not have the size or strength to play NT in a 3-4 scheme. Maybe one day he will, but why would Miami risk a top-10 pick on a “maybe,” not to mention the young talent that they already have there.

Finally, the article says that Clemson’s Gaines Adams “would be an upgrade to Kevin Carter, turning 34, at defensive end.” There are so many things wrong with this; I don’t even know where to begin. Carter was cut by Miami this offseason, and picked up by Tampa Bay, for one. Second, Adams would be a rush linebacker in the Dolphins 3-4 set, ala Jason Taylor. Hmm, let’s see, Gaines Adams: 6’5”, 258. Jason Taylor: 6’6”, 255. Kevin Carter: 6’6”, 305. See where I’m getting at! Adams plays a different position entirely that Carter. Oh, did I mention Carter isn’t even on the Dolphins! Finally, the odds that Adams is there at 9 are slim to none, and slim just left the building. In fact, Detroit is said to have a lot of interest in him, even at #2. See, Adams would be a perfect fit as a DE in a Tampa-2 scheme, which is what Detroit runs. Did I mention that they also need D-Line help? They might be a better team to include in your write-up than say, The Miami Dolphins.

I expect more from the USA Today. Just because some so-called “draft-experts” have D-Line as a need for Miami, it would be better to actually investigate the situation, rather than go by what they say. Mel Kiper may have Okoye going to the Dolphins, but he also had USC’s Mike Williams, WR, as the best prospect in the draft and he may never play a down in the NFL again!

Sorry for the length of this, but it really was a terrible assessment of the Miami Dolphins.

Roman529
04-19-2007, 02:35 PM
I also always get tired of hearing that the Dolphins have the oldest D...they are counting guys who are no longer on the team.

greatwade
04-19-2007, 02:35 PM
but they do have the prettiest paper. I love the charts and graphs!

finfan54
04-19-2007, 02:35 PM
Nice Work Tupac. Couldn't have said it better.

cnc66
04-19-2007, 02:38 PM
number head

Finfan53
04-19-2007, 02:39 PM
Well done my fin friend! I was annoyed too reading that in the USA Today this morning. Let us know if they reply to you?.....

Ikema
04-19-2007, 02:40 PM
Excellent response to a sloppy anlyisis from USAToday. You are 100% correct in that they were blind to the Dolphins complete needs.

greatwade
04-19-2007, 02:41 PM
number head

yeah at least I understand when all these smart kids are talking
3 4 and 4 3 defense. Ironically, Dom Capers asks for NO capers on
his veal piccata.

Again, solid letter sir.

Tupac Shakur
04-19-2007, 02:43 PM
haha, thanks for the responses guys. i'll post a response from them if i ever get one!

Tupac Shakur
04-19-2007, 02:45 PM
they just sent me this:

Thank you for your recent letter to USA TODAY. I have shared your
comments with the appropriate assignment desk. An editor will be in
contact if a more specific response is warranted.

Your interest in USA TODAY is appreciated.

Sincerely,

Brent Jones
Reader Editor

MDFinFan06
04-19-2007, 02:45 PM
great call man. although i wouldnt be entirely mad if we did draft okoye, it certainly wouldnt be on the side of the ball i wanna draft. if our only great realistic options in quinn landry peterson and maybe levi are gone by 9 and we dont move up in the draft then i would be all for trading down in the draft, but who will be there that anyone wants? if not willis would be a great, yet unnecessary, addition. most likely he will be the bpa at that point. thoughts?

Silverphin
04-19-2007, 02:49 PM
This article was posted in today's USA Today:

Here is my letter to the editor:



In reading teams in need of defensive lineman, the article on the Miami Dolphins could have been the worst I have ever read from USA Today. To start, the author does not realize that Miami has transitioned to a full-time 3-4 alignment. Yes, Jason Taylor may sometimes play with his hand in the ground, but the defense itself and the concepts that go with it are 3-4 oriented. Also, Dom Capers, recently given a contract extension, is a 3-4 defense guru.

Because of this, the entire article doesn’t make sense. The article pointed out that all four starters on the D-Line are 30 years or older. First, there aren’t four starters on the D-Line, there are three. But, for the benefit of the doubt, we’ll say Jason Taylor is a D-Lineman. The starters would be Jason Taylor, Keith Traylor (might not start), Vonnie Holliday, and Matt Roth. The last time I checked, Matt Roth was 24. That isn’t over 30 where I come from.

He also mentions that their young backups are unproven. But the fact of the matter is that they do indeed have youth at the position. Five players drafted by Miami in the last two years are eager to assume larger roles, being Matt Roth (projected starter at DE), Fred Evans (possible starter at NT), Manny Wright, Rodrique Wright, and Kevin Vickerson. Obviously, these guys are “unproven,” but so is any player that you draft out of college! They also like Chase Page, 24, out of North Carolina, who they picked up from the San Diego Chargers last year. Also, the Dolphins have spent heavily on the defensive side of the ball, and all signs point to improving the offense with the draft.

The article then says that Amobi Okoye would add “fresh legs and energy to an aging interior unit.” Earlier in the article, it is mentioned by Detroit Lions coach Rod Marinelli that Okoye is best suited for a Tampa-2 style defense, playing the 3 technique. He does not have the size or strength to play NT in a 3-4 scheme. Maybe one day he will, but why would Miami risk a top-10 pick on a “maybe,” not to mention the young talent that they already have there.

Finally, the article says that Clemson’s Gaines Adams “would be an upgrade to Kevin Carter, turning 34, at defensive end.” There are so many things wrong with this; I don’t even know where to begin. Carter was cut by Miami this offseason, and picked up by Tampa Bay, for one. Second, Adams would be a rush linebacker in the Dolphins 3-4 set, ala Jason Taylor. Hmm, let’s see, Gaines Adams: 6’5”, 258. Jason Taylor: 6’6”, 255. Kevin Carter: 6’6”, 305. See where I’m getting at! Adams plays a different position entirely that Carter. Oh, did I mention Carter isn’t even on the Dolphins! Finally, the odds that Adams is there at 9 are slim to none, and slim just left the building. In fact, Detroit is said to have a lot of interest in him, even at #2. See, Adams would be a perfect fit as a DE in a Tampa-2 scheme, which is what Detroit runs. Did I mention that they also need D-Line help? They might be a better team to include in your write-up than say, The Miami Dolphins.

I expect more from the USA Today. Just because some so-called “draft-experts” have D-Line as a need for Miami, it would be better to actually investigate the situation, rather than go by what they say. Mel Kiper may have Okoye going to the Dolphins, but he also had USC’s Mike Williams, WR, as the best prospect in the draft and he may never play a down in the NFL again!

Sorry for the length of this, but it really was a terrible assessment of the Miami Dolphins.


....Damn!

Andyman
04-19-2007, 02:50 PM
That was a good rip at hack journalism. You did well to not sound too much like the bitter fan and correctly pointed out how severely lacking their analysis was.

It seems that in an effort to supply info on every team these outlets are frequently sloppy and outdated in their analysis of needs etc. They would be better off not attempting an in-depth analysis rather than embarrassing themselves.

Kind of like the way in one of their earlier Mock drafts, PFT had Miami taking safeties with their top two picks. I mean come on, there's just no chance of that. At least try to understand a team's needs and put some thought into it.

The 'talking heads' on NFL telecasts do it all the time too. Make comments as if they've spent a lot of time assessing various issues related to a team yet often times (when it's your team especially) you realize they're clueless. i.e. 95% of what Sean Salisbury says.

The Confessor
04-19-2007, 02:51 PM
OUTSTANDING. Very well done, and let us know when they offer you the job of the guy you just got fired:lol:






Carter was cut by Miami this offseason, and picked up by Tampa Bay, for one. Second, Adams would be a rush linebacker in the Dolphins 3-4 set, ala Jason Taylor. Hmm, let’s see, Gaines Adams: 6’5”, 258. Jason Taylor: 6’6”, 255. Kevin Carter: 6’6”, 305. See where I’m getting at! Adams plays a different position entirely that Carter. Oh, did I mention Carter isn’t even on the Dolphins! Finally, the odds that Adams is there at 9 are slim to none, and slim just left the building.


This is an A+ paragraph, and gets my vote for quote of the week...

newlownorder
04-19-2007, 02:57 PM
It would be nice for more "experts" to actually do some research before writing an article that they know nothing about but it looks good to people with little football knowledge.

Way to call out USA Today! They need alittle critique once and awhile.

tyson22
04-19-2007, 03:06 PM
:clap: well done and well written.

Tupac Shakur
04-19-2007, 03:18 PM
thanks for the kind words guys.

postermaster
04-19-2007, 03:40 PM
Great letter Tupac Shakur!!!


I just love to see how the people who send letters of disagreement, post them here in the forums (just to be assured that someone will read them after spending so many time in making them...) :lol:



No, but really, the letter was great!!! :bighug:

SoDakDolfan
04-19-2007, 03:56 PM
Nice job. I wouldn't be crushed if we did take Okeye because I think he will be an outstanding player. But their "analysis" and reasoning concerning the Dolphins was all wrong. Thanks for taking them to task. Doubt if you'll hear from them byond their little form letter.

phinfanfoom
04-19-2007, 03:58 PM
you knocked them the f*** out, that was just bad writing by who ever wrote that crap.

Tupac Shakur
04-19-2007, 04:01 PM
I just love to see how the people who send letters of disagreement, post them here in the forums (just to be assured that someone will read them after spending so many time in making them...) :lol:

haha, you got me...but it's working!

postermaster
04-19-2007, 04:12 PM
haha, you got me...but it's working!

Of course its working!, and I'm really very glad to read the letter that you posted here, because they got no idea whats going on with the Dolphins, so I admitted it before and will do so again, GREAT Letter!!!

GO PHINS!!! :bighug:

Finole
04-19-2007, 04:25 PM
This article was posted in today's USA Today:

Here is my letter to the editor:



In reading teams in need of defensive lineman, the article on the Miami Dolphins could have been the worst I have ever read from USA Today. To start, the author does not realize that Miami has transitioned to a full-time 3-4 alignment. Yes, Jason Taylor may sometimes play with his hand in the ground, but the defense itself and the concepts that go with it are 3-4 oriented. Also, Dom Capers, recently given a contract extension, is a 3-4 defense guru.

Because of this, the entire article doesn’t make sense. The article pointed out that all four starters on the D-Line are 30 years or older. First, there aren’t four starters on the D-Line, there are three. But, for the benefit of the doubt, we’ll say Jason Taylor is a D-Lineman. The starters would be Jason Taylor, Keith Traylor (might not start), Vonnie Holliday, and Matt Roth. The last time I checked, Matt Roth was 24. That isn’t over 30 where I come from.

He also mentions that their young backups are unproven. But the fact of the matter is that they do indeed have youth at the position. Five players drafted by Miami in the last two years are eager to assume larger roles, being Matt Roth (projected starter at DE), Fred Evans (possible starter at NT), Manny Wright, Rodrique Wright, and Kevin Vickerson. Obviously, these guys are “unproven,” but so is any player that you draft out of college! They also like Chase Page, 24, out of North Carolina, who they picked up from the San Diego Chargers last year. Also, the Dolphins have spent heavily on the defensive side of the ball, and all signs point to improving the offense with the draft.

The article then says that Amobi Okoye would add “fresh legs and energy to an aging interior unit.” Earlier in the article, it is mentioned by Detroit Lions coach Rod Marinelli that Okoye is best suited for a Tampa-2 style defense, playing the 3 technique. He does not have the size or strength to play NT in a 3-4 scheme. Maybe one day he will, but why would Miami risk a top-10 pick on a “maybe,” not to mention the young talent that they already have there.

Finally, the article says that Clemson’s Gaines Adams “would be an upgrade to Kevin Carter, turning 34, at defensive end.” There are so many things wrong with this; I don’t even know where to begin. Carter was cut by Miami this offseason, and picked up by Tampa Bay, for one. Second, Adams would be a rush linebacker in the Dolphins 3-4 set, ala Jason Taylor. Hmm, let’s see, Gaines Adams: 6’5”, 258. Jason Taylor: 6’6”, 255. Kevin Carter: 6’6”, 305. See where I’m getting at! Adams plays a different position entirely that Carter. Oh, did I mention Carter isn’t even on the Dolphins! Finally, the odds that Adams is there at 9 are slim to none, and slim just left the building. In fact, Detroit is said to have a lot of interest in him, even at #2. See, Adams would be a perfect fit as a DE in a Tampa-2 scheme, which is what Detroit runs. Did I mention that they also need D-Line help? They might be a better team to include in your write-up than say, The Miami Dolphins.

I expect more from the USA Today. Just because some so-called “draft-experts” have D-Line as a need for Miami, it would be better to actually investigate the situation, rather than go by what they say. Mel Kiper may have Okoye going to the Dolphins, but he also had USC’s Mike Williams, WR, as the best prospect in the draft and he may never play a down in the NFL again!

Sorry for the length of this, but it really was a terrible assessment of the Miami Dolphins.

Way to go Tupac.

Let me talk at you a second. I'm pondering our draft options, and I'm trying to figure out our team needs.

Right now our DL roster looks like this...

1 Rodrique Wright 6-5 303
62 Fred Evans 6-4 305
75 Manny Wright 6-6 329 (if he sticks)
91 Vonnie Holliday 6-5 288
92 Kevin Vickerson 6-5 305 (if he sticks)
94 Keith Traylor 6-2 337 (I think he'll start at NT again this year)
98 Matt Roth 6-4 272
99 Jason Taylor 6-6 255

How many DLs do we carry? Shouldn't it be six? 3 starters and 3 backups? If so, then we're fairly set with Rod Wright, Evans, Holliday, Vickerson, and Traylor. (I'm not sold on Manny Wright, but who knows? If he stays on his medication he might be all right.) I would think we pick up one more guy either in the later rounds or as an UFA.

Last year, we carried 10 D-linemen but that included Roth and Taylor. Shouldn't they be listed as OLBs?

The draft is very deep at DE this year. Should we be looking to pick one of these guys, or should we be looking at OLBs?

The guy I really like in the 2nd round is DE Anthony Spencer (6-3 261) from Purdue (11 sacks in 2006). I think he would provide depth, rotate in, and eventually take over for JT. The only problem is it's very unlikely he'll still be on the board when we pick.

That leaves these 2nd rounders...

DE LaMarr Woodley DE Michigan 6-2 266 40-time: 4.74 (12 sacks in 2006)
DE Ikaika Alama-Francis, Hawaii 6-5 280 40-time: 4.78 (4 sacks in 2006)
DE Tim Crowder DE Texas 6-4 272 40-time: 4.69 (11 sacks in 2006)
DE Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame 6-4 267 40-time: 4.80 (11 sacks in 2006)
DE Quentin Moses DE Georgia 6-5 261 40-time: 4.82 (5 sacks in 2006)

Since they ran a 3-4 at Hawaii, Ikaika Alama-Francis seems to be best suited for our defense. But would he be a DL or an OLB? Which need does he fill?

I spent some time looking at OLB prospects, and I discovered something very interesting. The best prospect for us isn't listed as an OLB because he played the Mike in college. But Zak DeOssie from Brown (6-5 250) 40-time: 4.58 might be a must-have for us in the 4th round because of his speed, size, and versatility. Solid depth who could eventually become a starter. A lot of scouts really like this kid. They call him a major sleeper.

San Diego also runs a 3-4 defense. Shawne Merriman is 6-4 and weighs 272. With his height and frame, DeOssie could put on 15-20 lbs and make some real noise.

What do you think? Do we go after a DE in the 2nd round? Or with offense being our main focus in the draft this year, does Zak DeOssie fill our primary need for depth on defense?

TotoreMexico
04-19-2007, 04:25 PM
Great letter Tupac!:up:

Dolfan32323
04-19-2007, 04:36 PM
Lmao, roasted them. Good stuff.

trate121hb
04-19-2007, 04:42 PM
good read...im tired of this too......

Tupac Shakur
04-19-2007, 08:37 PM
Way to go Tupac.

Let me talk at you a second. I'm pondering our draft options, and I'm trying to figure out our team needs.

Right now our DL roster looks like this...

1 Rodrique Wright 6-5 303
62 Fred Evans 6-4 305
75 Manny Wright 6-6 329 (if he sticks)
91 Vonnie Holliday 6-5 288
92 Kevin Vickerson 6-5 305 (if he sticks)
94 Keith Traylor 6-2 337 (I think he'll start at NT again this year)
98 Matt Roth 6-4 272
99 Jason Taylor 6-6 255

How many DLs do we carry? Shouldn't it be six? 3 starters and 3 backups? If so, then we're fairly set with Rod Wright, Evans, Holliday, Vickerson, and Traylor. (I'm not sold on Manny Wright, but who knows? If he stays on his medication he might be all right.) I would think we pick up one more guy either in the later rounds or as an UFA.

Last year, we carried 10 D-linemen but that included Roth and Taylor. Shouldn't they be listed as OLBs?

The draft is very deep at DE this year. Should we be looking to pick one of these guys, or should we be looking at OLBs?

The guy I really like in the 2nd round is DE Anthony Spencer (6-3 261) from Purdue (11 sacks in 2006). I think he would provide depth, rotate in, and eventually take over for JT. The only problem is it's very unlikely he'll still be on the board when we pick.

That leaves these 2nd rounders...

DE LaMarr Woodley DE Michigan 6-2 266 40-time: 4.74 (12 sacks in 2006)
DE Ikaika Alama-Francis, Hawaii 6-5 280 40-time: 4.78 (4 sacks in 2006)
DE Tim Crowder DE Texas 6-4 272 40-time: 4.69 (11 sacks in 2006)
DE Victor Abiamiri DE Notre Dame 6-4 267 40-time: 4.80 (11 sacks in 2006)
DE Quentin Moses DE Georgia 6-5 261 40-time: 4.82 (5 sacks in 2006)

Since they ran a 3-4 at Hawaii, Ikaika Alama-Francis seems to be best suited for our defense. But would he be a DL or an OLB? Which need does he fill?

I spent some time looking at OLB prospects, and I discovered something very interesting. The best prospect for us isn't listed as an OLB because he played the Mike in college. But Zak DeOssie from Brown (6-5 250) 40-time: 4.58 might be a must-have for us in the 4th round because of his speed, size, and versatility. Solid depth who could eventually become a starter. A lot of scouts really like this kid. They call him a major sleeper.

San Diego also runs a 3-4 defense. Shawne Merriman is 6-4 and weighs 272. With his height and frame, DeOssie could put on 15-20 lbs and make some real noise.

What do you think? Do we go after a DE in the 2nd round? Or with offense being our main focus in the draft this year, does Zak DeOssie fill our primary need for depth on defense?

I would like to see us pick up a player like Zak DeOssie to fulfill the David Bowens role this year. We currently have Akbar Gbaja-Biamilla, but I don't think he'll stick.

The players you mentioned are all possibilities, as would be some later-round prospects. I like Dan Bazuin from Central Michigan and Jacob Ford from Central Arkansas, too.

Paul 13
04-20-2007, 01:38 AM
Good job TUPAC, IF that is your real name... you know the last time I actually read the USA Today was back in the early 90's when they actually did an adequate job of covering the draft. They did post on the Friday before the draft all of the so-called Scout rankings (including 40 times) from the combine. It did make for a nice companion come draft day. And then they had a pretty good draft review come Monday... 'course, this is before Al Gore invented the internet. LMAO.