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zach8111
04-19-2007, 05:39 PM
My top 6 QB in the Draft. Look at the videos and their POS/NEG

1.Brady Quinn....6'3'' 236 ND
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJgmeEH1lrE
POS: Good strength, decent short pass accuracy, intellegent, quick release, decent timing, great leadership
NEG: Long pass accuracy, arm stranght
STATS: 11,762 yards, 95 TD, 55.2%, 48 games played

2.John Beck....6'2'' 216 BYU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NCgH6sTEeP8
POS: Good arm, smart with ball, good scrambler, quick release, tough, poket poise, intellegent, great leadership
NEG: Pass get knocked down at line, smaller frame, size, 25 years old
STATS: 11,021 yards, 79 TD, 62.4%, 43 games played

3.JaMarcus Russell.....6'6'' 263 LSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaZ-8svYalg
POS: arm strength, long ball accuracy, can scramble, size/ strength
NEG: Many Injuries, throwing mechanics/accuracy, footwork, need to lose a little weight
STATS: 6616 yards, 52 TD, 61.8%, 36 games played

4.Drew Stanton.....6'3 235 MSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vkci1jSX5B0
POS:arm strength, tough, competetive, scramble
NEG: force passes, stairs down WR, accuracy, mechanics
STATS: 6524 yards, 42 TD, 64.2%, 36 games played

5.Trent Edward.....6'3 222 STAN
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-SG9N8T10hw
POS:frame, mobile, strong, footwork, doesnt force ball unless under pressure,
NEG:injuries(3 right shoulder injuries), mainly drop back passer, throwing on the run accuracy, foot speed during heavy rush
STATS: 5443 yards, 36 TD, 56.1%, 35 games played

6.Troy Smith.....6'1'' 213 OSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tF0OS5B0kaE&mode=related&search=
POS:great scrambler, decent arm strength, long ball accuracy, doesnt force ball, finds open WR, accurate on run
NEG:6''1', ran spread offense, better at shotgun than under center
STATS: 5720 pass yards, 54 TD, 55.2%; 1160 rush yards, 14TD, 36 games played


POS/NEG based On NFL.com with this link and watching them play
http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/QB

zach8111
04-19-2007, 05:43 PM
i am really starting to hope we get John Beck because of his stats and his ability to play and scramble. we probably would spend our 2a on him if we get him.

Myles Fynch
04-19-2007, 05:45 PM
Thanks for the getting all those links together in one place. Will check it out.

trate121hb
04-19-2007, 06:10 PM
john beck is moving on up gentleman

Pocoloco
04-19-2007, 06:14 PM
It wasn't very long ago that news leaked that Kevin Kolb was the 3rd QB on the Fins' board

zach8111
04-19-2007, 06:17 PM
It wasn't very long ago that news leaked that Kevin Kolb was the 3rd QB on the Fins' board
i would take beck over kolb

PhinCanuck
04-19-2007, 06:27 PM
I like Beck. Wasn't there news about him visiting Miami. Or Miami scouting him??

eomdtbtr
04-19-2007, 06:29 PM
My top 6 QB in the Draft. Look at the videos and their POS/NEG

1.Brady Quinn....6'3'' 236 ND
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJgmeEH1lrE
POS: Good strength, decent short pass accuracy, intellegent, quick release, decent timing
NEG: Long pass accuracy, arm stranght

2.John Beck....6'2'' 216 BYU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NCgH6sTEeP8
POS: Good arm, smart with ball, good scrambler, quick release, tough, poket poise, intellegent
NEG: Pass get knocked down at line, smaller frame, size, 25 years old

3.JaMarcus Russell.....6'6'' 263 LSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaZ-8svYalg
POS: arm strength, long ball accuracy, can scramble, size/ strength
NEG: Injuries, throwing mechanics/accuracy, footwork, need to lose a little weight

4.Drew Stanton.....6'3 235 MSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vkci1jSX5B0
POS:arm strength, tough, competetive, scramble
NEG: force passes, stairs down WR, accuracy, mechanics

5.Trent Edward.....6'3 222 STAN
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-SG9N8T10hw
POS:frame, mobile, strong, footwork, doesnt force ball unless under pressure,
NEG:injuries(mainly shoulder), mainly drop back passer, throwing on the run accuracy, foot speed during heavy rush

6.Troy Smith.....6'1'' 213 OSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tF0OS5B0kaE&mode=related&search=
POS:great scrambler, decent arm strength, long ball accuracy, doesnt force ball, finds open WR, accurate on run
NEG:6''1', ran spread offense, better at shotgun than under center

POS/NEG based On NFL.com with this link and watching them play
http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/QB

Russell
Beck
Quinn
Smith
Stanton
Edwards
Kolb

SQuinn17
04-19-2007, 06:34 PM
im sorry but no way is beck ranked anywhere near russel

zach8111
04-19-2007, 06:54 PM
im sorry but no way is beck ranked anywhere near russel
i like russells size but i also dont like his size. i saw videos were he mobile but not fast, great arm strength but has had many injuries. i think he is one of the biggest ?.i would rather take beck in the 2 than russell in the first.

SoDakDolfan
04-19-2007, 07:04 PM
I watched Beck play bringing his underdog team back. He has the intangibles that Cameron likes. But I wouldn't want to spend more than our 2nd second round pick on him.

Agent51
04-19-2007, 07:05 PM
My top 6 QB in the Draft. Look at the videos and their POS/NEG

1.Brady Quinn....6'3'' 236 ND
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJgmeEH1lrE
POS: Good strength, decent short pass accuracy, intellegent, quick release, decent timing
NEG: Long pass accuracy, arm stranght

IDk about you, but the passes at 0:16, 0:32, 0:41, 0:57, 1:14, 1:39, 1:45, 2:23, 3:09, 3:37, 4:51, 5:27, 5:43, 5:52, and 6:19 are all spot on deep balls, 95% of them into double or triple coverage and placed only where his WR can snag them, and a few of them were even while he was on the run, throwing off his back foot, or even being hit. I don't really get where the long pass accuracy questions come from. As far as arm strength "he's no Russell" (but apparently nobody ever has been or will be on Russell's level :rolleyes2), but I don't see POOR arm strength, so I'm not sure what the deal with those two negatives are.

And on a sidenote, those two songs SUCK for a football highlight video, lol. The first song is a good song normally (I don't care for the second one) but they are just very odd choices for football highlights.

zach8111
04-19-2007, 07:08 PM
IDk about you, but the passes at 0:16, 0:32, 0:41, 0:57, 1:14, 1:39, 1:45, 2:23, 3:09, 3:37, 4:51, 5:27, 5:43, 5:52, and 6:19 are all spot on deep balls, 95% of them into double or triple coverage and placed only where his WR can snag them, and a few of them were even while he was on the run, throwing off his back foot, or even being hit. I don't really get where the long pass accuracy questions come from. As far as arm strength "he's no Russell" (but apparently nobody ever has been or will be on Russell's level :rolleyes2), but I don't see POOR arm strength, so I'm not sure what the deal with those two negatives are.

And on a sidenote, those two songs SUCK for a football highlight video, lol. The first song is a good song normally (I don't care for the second one) but they are just very odd choices for football highlights.
first off i didnt make the videos and put the songs on them, i just liked the highlights. and second most of the negatives are from NFL.com scouts saying their negatives, not me.

Agent51
04-19-2007, 07:24 PM
first off i didnt make the videos and put the songs on them, i just liked the highlights. and second most of the negatives are from NFL.com scouts saying their negatives, not me.

I didn't say you made the videos OR the comments, I have seen that video awhile ago, and I have seen those views on Quinn for awhile, I was just quoting you because you posted the stuff.

If I thought you made the comments I wouldn't have said "IDK about you" I would have said "dude, I have no idea what you're talking about" when responding with the timestamps of the great passes.

The song choice comment was just a general comment on the editing, hence the "sidenote" in there.

zach8111
04-19-2007, 07:35 PM
I didn't say you made the videos OR the comments, I have seen that video awhile ago, and I have seen those views on Quinn for awhile, I was just quoting you because you posted the stuff.

If I thought you made the comments I wouldn't have said "IDK about you" I would have said "dude, I have no idea what you're talking about" when responding with the timestamps of the great passes.

The song choice comment was just a general comment on the editing, hence the "sidenote" in there.
ya i know, im just say there has to be a reason that the scout are pro scouts and we arent, and i have to go by what they say about each player and there POS\NEG cuz they know what they are talking about and there has to ba a reason all the scouts are saying though same positives and negatives.

Wolf13
04-19-2007, 07:45 PM
weak arm strength my @rse, he has some great zip on those 20-25 yard throws.

Is it just me, or could you see chambers on the recieving end of those deep balls!

Please let us somehow wind up with brady!

Agent51
04-19-2007, 07:47 PM
ya i know, im just say there has to be a reason that the scout are pro scouts and we arent, and i have to go by what they say about each player and there POS\NEG cuz they know what they are talking about and there has to ba a reason all the scouts are saying though same positives and negatives.

This is true. However, he may not be the BEST at those things (deep accuracy and arm strength) but if they were actual negatives that would imply he struggles with them, and I just don't see how someone could struggle with those apsects when I just saw some excellent examples of those techniques in the video. Wht I'm trying to say is I would think a guy who's negatives are arm strength and deep accuracy wouldn't have ANY throws like that in highlight videos, let alone a TON of them. I could see a guy hitting a couple here and there as luck or something, but Brady had way too many in there to be chalked up to pure luck. The were perfectly placed and some great throws, for someone who "struggles" with those things you wouldn;t expect to see that many of them thrown so perfectly. This leads me to belive that he is at LEAST average/good at those two things, given the amount of great ones he executed in that video.

Of course, I'm no professional scout, and this was a HIGHLIGHT video, but still, scouts have been wrong on both sides before (Ryan Leaf, Tom Brady), and there are just TOO many big throws in this video for him to be negative in those areas.

PhinfanUK
04-19-2007, 07:48 PM
SCREW DRAFTING A QUARTERBACK!!!

Let's trade for Jared Lorenzen of the Giants. What a physical specimen.http://blogs.nydailynews.com/giants/archives/7ij07mcu.gif

zach8111
04-19-2007, 07:48 PM
weak arm strength my @rse, he has some great zip on those 20-25 yard throws.

Is it just me, or could you see chambers on the recieving end of those deep balls!

Please let us somehow wind up with brady!
im not saying this, the PRO SCOUTS are saying his deep ball isnt the best it can be right now. the accuracy and the strength is the best in the draft. im not saying it, the scouts are

zach8111
04-19-2007, 07:51 PM
This is true. However, he may not be the BEST at those things (deep accuracy and arm strength) but if they were actual negatives that would imply he struggles with them, and I just don't see how someone could struggle with those apsects when I just saw some excellent examples of those techniques in the video. Wht I'm trying to say is I would think a guy who's negatives are arm strength and deep accuracy wouldn't have ANY throws like that in highlight videos, let alone a TON of them. I could see a guy hitting a couple here and there as luck or something, but Brady had way too many in there to be chalked up to pure luck. The were perfectly placed and some great throws, for someone who "struggles" with those things you wouldn;t expect to see that many of them thrown so perfectly. This leads me to belive that he is at LEAST average/good at those two things, given the amount of great ones he executed in that video.

Of course, I'm no professional scout, and this was a HIGHLIGHT video, but still, scouts have been wrong on both sides before (Ryan Leaf, Tom Brady), and there are just TOO many big throws in this video for him to be negative in those areas.
it doesnt say he is horrible or cant do it at all but many of his throws are off compare to others. those are negatives because they arent part of his strengths as a QB.

zach8111
04-19-2007, 07:52 PM
SCREW DRAFTING A QUARTERBACK!!!

Let's trade for Jared Lorenzen of the Giants. What a physical specimen.http://blogs.nydailynews.com/giants/archives/7ij07mcu.gif
no we need to draft a QB and i hope it is quinn or beck. what will we give up to get jared. we need our first day draft picks

Agent51
04-19-2007, 08:10 PM
it doesnt say he is horrible or cant do it at all but many of his throws are off compare to others. those are negatives because they arent part of his strengths as a QB.

I think a "negative" should be something he does poorly. Just because he isn't in the top tier in a certain skill doesn't necessarily mean he is in the negative. I wouldn't consider being average, or even "good", at something "negative", it just means he isn't the best but isn't the worst. When someone describes the negatives of a player it makes me think he does those things poorly, which I didn't see here from Quinn.

I know YOU aren't saying that, but I'm just saying in general, it shouldn't be a negative just because it isn't something he is great at, it should just be "nuetral" or something.

LightsOut
04-19-2007, 08:26 PM
This is true. However, he may not be the BEST at those things (deep accuracy and arm strength) but if they were actual negatives that would imply he struggles with them, and I just don't see how someone could struggle with those apsects when I just saw some excellent examples of those techniques in the video. Wht I'm trying to say is I would think a guy who's negatives are arm strength and deep accuracy wouldn't have ANY throws like that in highlight videos, let alone a TON of them. I could see a guy hitting a couple here and there as luck or something, but Brady had way too many in there to be chalked up to pure luck. The were perfectly placed and some great throws, for someone who "struggles" with those things you wouldn;t expect to see that many of them thrown so perfectly. This leads me to belive that he is at LEAST average/good at those two things, given the amount of great ones he executed in that video.

Of course, I'm no professional scout, and this was a HIGHLIGHT video, but still, scouts have been wrong on both sides before (Ryan Leaf, Tom Brady), and there are just TOO many big throws in this video for him to be negative in those areas.

scouts don't look at highlight videos. they look at game film. in 48 games i would hope they could find some good deep balls. his deep accurancy is not that good. negative, netural, call it whatever you want.

zach8111
04-19-2007, 08:27 PM
scouts don't look at highlight videos. they look at game film. in 48 games i would hope they could find some good deep balls. his deep accurancy is not that good. negative, netural, call it whatever you want.
finally someone backing me up

JC
04-19-2007, 08:56 PM
i like edwards, of his 33 ints hes had 20 of them bounced off his receivers so it shows hes accurate

zach8111
04-19-2007, 09:02 PM
i like edwards, of his 33 ints hes had 20 of them bounced off his receivers so it shows hes accurate
yeah i read that and i am hoping miami really conciders beck if quinn is gone

eomdtbtr
04-19-2007, 09:15 PM
finally someone backing me up

Don't worry about what the posters on here say, cuz most of them don't know squat, and just throw out random facts. And if they don't realize that the pro scouts know more than they do, then just ignore there comments.

zach8111
04-19-2007, 10:14 PM
Don't worry about what the posters on here say, cuz most of them don't know squat, and just throw out random facts. And if they don't realize that the pro scouts know more than they do, then just ignore there comments.
yeah i try not to let them get to me but some people just dont know there facts and try to make points

Imidazolidanone
04-20-2007, 12:24 AM
check it out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dHBy7uIV_iE&mode=related&search=

zach8111
04-20-2007, 12:41 AM
check it out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dHBy7uIV_iE&mode=related&search=
yeah i saw that when i was picking videos for all the top QBs. i think he could be great in miami.

clbrazee
04-20-2007, 12:45 AM
My top 6 QB in the Draft. Look at the videos and their POS/NEG

1.Brady Quinn....6'3'' 236 ND
http://youtube.com/watch?v=LJgmeEH1lrE
POS: Good strength, decent short pass accuracy, intellegent, quick release, decent timing, great leadership
NEG: Long pass accuracy, arm stranght
STATS: 11,762 yards, 95 TD, 55.2%, 48 games played

2.John Beck....6'2'' 216 BYU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NCgH6sTEeP8
POS: Good arm, smart with ball, good scrambler, quick release, tough, poket poise, intellegent, great leadership
NEG: Pass get knocked down at line, smaller frame, size, 25 years old
STATS: 11,021 yards, 79 TD, 62.4%, 43 games played

3.JaMarcus Russell.....6'6'' 263 LSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PaZ-8svYalg
POS: arm strength, long ball accuracy, can scramble, size/ strength
NEG: Many Injuries, throwing mechanics/accuracy, footwork, need to lose a little weight
STATS: 6616 yards, 52 TD, 61.8%, 36 games played

4.Drew Stanton.....6'3 235 MSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Vkci1jSX5B0
POS:arm strength, tough, competetive, scramble
NEG: force passes, stairs down WR, accuracy, mechanics
STATS: 6524 yards, 42 TD, 64.2%, 36 games played

5.Trent Edward.....6'3 222 STAN
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-SG9N8T10hw
POS:frame, mobile, strong, footwork, doesnt force ball unless under pressure,
NEG:injuries(3 right shoulder injuries), mainly drop back passer, throwing on the run accuracy, foot speed during heavy rush
STATS: 5443 yards, 36 TD, 56.1%, 35 games played

6.Troy Smith.....6'1'' 213 OSU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tF0OS5B0kaE&mode=related&search=
POS:great scrambler, decent arm strength, long ball accuracy, doesnt force ball, finds open WR, accurate on run
NEG:6''1', ran spread offense, better at shotgun than under center
STATS: 5720 pass yards, 54 TD, 55.2%; 1160 rush yards, 14TD, 36 games played


POS/NEG based On NFL.com with this link and watching them play
http://www.nfl.com/draft/drafttracker/position/QB

Replace Smith with Kolb. Smith didn't perform well at the combine or at Pro Day.

zach8111
04-20-2007, 12:48 AM
Replace Smith with Kolb. Smith didn't perform well at the combine or at Pro Day.
i think smith has potential in the NFL. he is a great scrambler and throws good on the run, especially since we dont have a line right now. kolb would be decent butif we could get a speed WR in the draft the smith would be a better choice. i still think beck would be the best out of all of them besides quinn if he is gone.