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FinAtic8480
04-27-2007, 09:02 AM
LEVI TO SLIDE?
One of the rumors making the rounds with the draft a day away is that Penn State offensive tackle Levi Brown could plunge.
There's a school of thought that, if he gets past the Texans at No. 10 (and there is a strong belief in some circles that the Texans don't want him), Brown could slide deep into the round.
One possible landing spot is No. 20, to the Giants. But as to a recent report in one of the New York papers suggesting that the Giants might be eyeballing Brown because they have called to confirm his draft-day contact information, every team does this with every player in the pool. So that fact in and of itself means nothing.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Vertical Limit
04-27-2007, 09:04 AM
I have said for a while that Levi is the Winston Justice of this draft.

FinAtic8480
04-27-2007, 09:10 AM
If Brady Quinn was the Matt Lienart of this Draft we would all be so happy.

vafin72
04-27-2007, 09:24 AM
Can anyone tell me how Levi Brown would have compared to Vernon Carey if they were both in the same draft? As Vernon appears to be very solid but was supposed to be a LT and doesn't appear to have LT potential, what makes Brown a better LT prospect than Carey was?

Motion
04-27-2007, 09:28 AM
BS

Just cause the Giants are interested all the sudden he's gonna slide??

I don't buy it.

BlueFin
04-27-2007, 09:29 AM
Its amazing to me, all you've been hearing lately is how Levi is rising, how some think Levi might be a better Pro than Thomas....yada yada yada....etc etc etc.......now all of the sudden he's gonna slide way down?

You've got to love the draft.

FinAtic8480
04-27-2007, 09:35 AM
Its amazing to me, all you've been hearing lately is how Levi is rising, how some think Levi might be a better Pro than Thomas....yada yada yada....etc etc etc.......now all of the sudden he's gonna slide way down?

You've got to love the draft.

Its the most hyped event of the year.

dlockz
04-27-2007, 09:42 AM
I have said for a while that Levi is the Winston Justice of this draft.


There was a big differance netween the two in college. For one Justice played right tackle and was far from the finished product that Levi is. Justice although very athletic was much more raw than Levi. I must say I love how the Eagles have drafted for the oline in recent years. Justice is thier LT of future , they have Max Jean Giles, Shawn Andrews, Todd Herremans and a nice small school center named Jamaal Jackson from Delaware state. All these guys will be starters for them. During that time we basically have drafted one sure thing Carey and I wanted Andrews but we got rocked.

dlockz
04-27-2007, 09:42 AM
Its amazing to me, all you've been hearing lately is how Levi is rising, how some think Levi might be a better Pro than Thomas....yada yada yada....etc etc etc.......now all of the sudden he's gonna slide way down?

You've got to love the draft.


It all depends on who passes on a player , although I very much doubt Levi slides far and may be gone before we pick.

zonk4ever
04-27-2007, 09:43 AM
Last night with 6-7 so-called experts playing the mock draft game on ESPN, Brown never got past the Dolphins on any of their picks and some said he may get taken by the Falcons at 8. It doesn't appear he has fallen as of last night. Interesting how the "in-house expert" homely Mel Kiper agreed that Levi Brown should be the Dolphin's pick even though the day before, he said we should draft Amobi Okoye. There's a reason Kiper's never wrong, he changes his picks every day .

dlockz
04-27-2007, 10:15 AM
Can anyone tell me how Levi Brown would have compared to Vernon Carey if they were both in the same draft? As Vernon appears to be very solid but was supposed to be a LT and doesn't appear to have LT potential, what makes Brown a better LT prospect than Carey was?


Because number one Carey only started one game at LT in college. Carey was mainly a left guard and right tackle. Carey although he did have his moments was very inconsistent in college and never lived up to his high school hype.
Carey was not a starter until his junior year. Levi would have went over Carey in this draft, in fact Carey was rated by many as a second round pick, the year we took him. carey is similar to Brown in strength and speed but never showed the feet that Levi has shown in college. Very few teams considered Carey a left tackle prospect, most looked at him as a possible right tackle or guard. We basically lost our composure, when Philidelphia stole our player Shawn Andrews who also like Carey was considered more of a RT prospect, so we did what we have done many times in recent drafts lost our mind and gave up another pick just to take a player that was going to be there anyway at our pick. Minnesota even admitted that they bluffed us on the trade. We should have kept our composure because Minnesota was going to take that DE no matter what and no team was that in love with carey that they were going to move up for him. There was considered a huge dropoff from Andrews to him. There was basically one top level LT prospect in this draft Robert Gallery. In retrospect Carey is turning into a good right tackle but I still would have prefererred trading down and taking Smiley and Dockett which was what I wanted to do originally when Andrews went off the board. If we stayed put I wanted Wilfork although would have been happy with Udezee at the time to make trading Ogunleye easier.




This is a piece of one mock draft I have
37. Washington- DT- Chad Lavalais-LSU
38. Detroit- OG/OT- Vernon Carey- Miami
39. Cleveland- DE- David Pollack- Georgia
40. Atlanta- CB- Will Poole- USC

and another
27-Tennessee: Vernon Carey (G, Miami)

and another
27. Tennessee Titans: DT Darrion Scott, Ohio State. Replacing some big losses up front.
28. Philadelphia Eagles: OT Vernon Carey, Miami. Could be a factor at guard or tackle.
29. Indianapolis Colts: CB Will Poole, Southern Cal. Filling a need at corner.
30. Kansas City Chiefs: DT Dwan Edwards, Oregon State. Some muscle in the middle.
31. Carolina Panthers: CB Derrick Strait, Oklahoma. Shoring up their weakest position.
32. New England Patriots: OG Justin Smiley, Alabama. Another pick for depth.

clownfish
04-27-2007, 10:26 AM
This is a piece of one mock draft I have
40. Atlanta- CB- Will Poole- USC

and another

29. Indianapolis Colts: CB Will Poole, Southern Cal. Filling a need at corner.

Speaking of Poole, does anyone think the Phins will re-sign him when he is 100% healthy? Will he ever be 100% healthy (stress fractures in knee)? Or did he sign with some other team, as I think I may have heard late last year on this site? I really liked the way he played in his first year and he looked like he was going to be a star.

vafin72
04-27-2007, 10:32 AM
dlockz:

Thanks for the reply and information. I agree we got fleeced by the Vikings on the 4th round pick. However, I didn't remember that Carey was really a reach at where we took him. Obviously, if Brown is drafted, he better be able to play LT as we don't need another RT.

dlockz
04-27-2007, 10:33 AM
Speaking of Poole, does anyone think the Phins will re-sign him when he is 100% healthy? Will he ever be 100% healthy (stress fractures in knee)? Or did he sign with some other team, as I think I may have heard late last year on this site? I really liked the way he played in his first year and he looked like he was going to be a star.

He was going to be a star. I have heard many things on this, I think no matter what happens he will not be a Phin. This guy would have been an allpro at CB but injuries probably have robbed him.

dan the fin
04-27-2007, 11:28 AM
Its amazing to me, all you've been hearing lately is how Levi is rising, how some think Levi might be a better Pro than Thomas....yada yada yada....etc etc etc.......now all of the sudden he's gonna slide way down?

You've got to love the draft.

What happens is the teams probably never rated near as high as the media has hyped him to be. So now draft time the media puts him right back were he belongs as a lower 1st round prospect. The only reason he was projected to go that high was cause LT is a premium position and there is a lack of top end talent. So he still may go much higher then his talent level should. Its like the year A. Smith went #1, in a typical draft year would he go #1 no cause there are usually better QB prospects but since QB is the premium position and there was a lack a top QB prospects he gets lucky and goes very high. Same as Brown this year, put him in next years draft he may not even go 1st round.

dlockz
04-27-2007, 12:03 PM
dlockz:

Thanks for the reply and information. I agree we got fleeced by the Vikings on the 4th round pick. However, I didn't remember that Carey was really a reach at where we took him. Obviously, if Brown is drafted, he better be able to play LT as we don't need another RT.


To most people it was a reach, not one mock I saw had him going that high. Most had us taking Andrews who was falling before draft day. The one thing about the the word reach is relative because every team has thier own draft board and rankings. Every year you will see a player go much earlier than many experts speculate, but what you have to remember is each team has thier own so called experts that rate players accordingly.

Examples
In 2004 some people thought Rivers might be thier at our pick, he ended up going 4th overall. Last year many of own gurus weighed in on Vince Young and look where he ended up going, people on this board thought he was a bad pick even at 16. Demarcus Ware at 11 was a player that most would not have taken at 11 but the Cowboys took him over Shawn Merriman.

I hated the Carey pick at the time because I felt there were better players left on the board, and I still agree there were better players left but we wanted OLine especially a tackle and in retrospect there were not alot of right tackles left that would have been a servicable pick.

Olinemen taken after carey
Chris Snee (BC) G round 2 pick 34 Has been a starter at guard since his rookie year and has been a pro bowl alternate. Considered one of the top young guards in the league.

Jake Grove(Vir) C round 2 pick 45. 32 starts for Raiders since being drafted. has played both center and guard. Very versatile player, hard to judge on this crappy line.

Justin Smiley(ala) G round 2 pick 46. 41 starts for the niners, good young guard that helped lead the way for Frank Gore's breakout season.

Jacob Rodgers(USC)T round 2 pick. Ouch this player was the highest drafted player to be cut from this draft. Played in two games as a rookie cut in march of 2006.

Max Starks (FL) T round 3 pick 75. Started 30 games at RT and was starter for super bowl team. So far has been more than servicable. Solid T.

Stephen Peterman(LSU) G round 3 pick 83. Released in 2006 by the Cowboys.
Started 2 games at guard for the Lions last year after being on practice squad. Is listed as starter at guard on depth chart on ESpn. So either Cowboys are idiots or oh well who knows.

Sean Locklear(NCST) T round 3 pick 84. 26 game starter. Starter on Seattle superbowl team listed as starting RT for seattle had strong superbowl season.

Travelle Wharton(SC ) T round 3 pick 94. Started 28 games including 11 as a rookie. Missed most of 2006 season with ACL injury. Was a rookie starter on a decent Oline. If he recovers from injury should be a starter somewhere on the carolina oline this season.

Alex Stepanovich (Ohio St)C round 4 pick 100. Started every game at every snap for the cards in 2004 and continued as starter until injured last season. Was not tendered by cards and was signed by Bengals and could be thier starting center this year depending ig he beats out thier youn center and recovers well.

Nat Dorsey(Ga Tech) T round 4 pick 115. I considered this guy a big sleeper, started 7 games as a rookie only to be traded to Browns the next season for Melvin Folwer. Started 2 games last year and is currently on depth chart below Kevin Schaffer.

Stacy Andrews (Miss) T round 4 pick 123. Another raw sleeper prospect. HAs started a total of three games Never played football until senior at Missisippi.

Trey Darilek(UTEP) C round 4 pick 131. Very limited action in 2 years, cut then signed by us and now with Cowboys I believe.

Adrian Jones(KST) T round 4 pick 132. Started all 16 games in 2005 for the Jets. Had a DUI in November of last year and played sparingly. Could start at RT this season depending how he looks or if team still wants him.

Jacob bell(MiaOHIO) T round 5 pick 138. Started 14 games as a rookie before tearing his aCL was voted to all rookie team. Only started 1 game the following season after recovery and last year started 2 games a tackle and 13 at guard. Versatile player that I wish our scouting department had did some research on. Would have been nice if we had traded up to get this guy in round 5.

Jake Scott (Idaho) G round 5 pick 141. another hidden late round gem. Has started 41 games for the Super Bowl champion Indy Colts was 2004 all rookie.

Jeb terry( NC) G round 5 pick 146. Started 1 game last season for Bucs, nothing special but has done more than Tony Bua did for us.

Another really good late round pick was
Shane Olivea T ( OHIO St)
Has Started 47 games and was signed to a six year extension. currently starting RT for Chargers. Round seven pick 209. Same year they took Turner late in round 5.

Too bad they took Igor Olshansky in early in round 2 because this was a great draft in so many ways for them.

In retrospect I still think we made a mistake trading the pick to move up one spot because our 4th round pick could have netted us Michael Turner, Gibril Wilson, Jacob Bell or Jake Scott. The Bua pick was awful because he had no NFL position. Hadnot was a pretty good sixth round pick but we did pass on Olivea. I did think Pope was a great seventh round pick.
We probably would have wasted the pick anyway so i guess it doesn't matter.

finfan54
04-27-2007, 12:24 PM
You people are so gullable.

dlockz
04-27-2007, 12:28 PM
You people are so gullable.

I just love all these people that think he cannot play left tackle and want to take a guy that has not shown to be the same caliber player as Brown based on his 40 times. Peopel are mistaking 40 time with good movement.